Pouvez vous m'aider s.v. P ?
Maroc: autorisation de sortie ou non pour mineur avec un passeport espagnol, résident en France?
by Marraki
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour,
j'ai 17 ans et je suis étranger, résident en france.. Donc j'ai mon passeport espagnol et ma carte d'identité espagnol .. J'ai appelé la préfecture et la dame m'a dit que je ne pouvais pas avoir d'autorisation de sortie car je suis étranger, mais sur le règlement de Ryanair, il est dit :
"Les enfants âgés de 16 à 18 ans résidant en France/Espagne, non accompagnés de leurs parents/tuteur légal et voyageant avec une carte d'identité en cours de validité délivrée par un État membre de l'Espace économique européen (EEE), sur un vol entre des pays de l'EEE, doivent détenir une autorisation de sortie du territoire (délivrée par la police locale) en bonne et due forme. Cette autorisation doit être présentée au comptoir d'enregistrement et lors du contrôle des passeports. Sans ce document, ils ne seront pas autorisés à monter à bord de l'appareil."
Pouvez vous m'aider s.v. P ?
Pouvez vous m'aider s.v. P ?
Bonjour,
Tu ne nous as pas dit où tu vas ... au Maroc ?
Mais, pour moi, concernant la sortie du territoire français, tu n'as besoin d'aucun autre document que ton passeport en cours de validité.
Tu es Espagnol, vivant dans l'espace Schengen, tu es donc soumis aux même règles de circulation et de sortie que les Français. La délivrance d'un passeport à un mineur ne pouvant se faire sans l'accord de sortie des parents, cette autorisation de sortie sans être accompagné, est tacite et permanente tant que le passeport est valable.
Ryanair demande une autorisation de sortie des parents pour les mineurs en possession d'une carte d'identité. Mais toi, tu as un passeport ! Mais si tu pars avec seulement ta carte d'identité, il faut effectivement avoir cette autorisation qui ne peut être délivrée à un étranger en mairie. Ce sera alors une lettre signée de tes parents.
Tu ne nous as pas dit où tu vas ... au Maroc ?
Mais, pour moi, concernant la sortie du territoire français, tu n'as besoin d'aucun autre document que ton passeport en cours de validité.
Tu es Espagnol, vivant dans l'espace Schengen, tu es donc soumis aux même règles de circulation et de sortie que les Français. La délivrance d'un passeport à un mineur ne pouvant se faire sans l'accord de sortie des parents, cette autorisation de sortie sans être accompagné, est tacite et permanente tant que le passeport est valable.
Ryanair demande une autorisation de sortie des parents pour les mineurs en possession d'une carte d'identité. Mais toi, tu as un passeport ! Mais si tu pars avec seulement ta carte d'identité, il faut effectivement avoir cette autorisation qui ne peut être délivrée à un étranger en mairie. Ce sera alors une lettre signée de tes parents.
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
eh bien moi je n'en suis pas sûre du tout.
Si le règlement de ryan air dit "doivent détenir une autorisation de sortie du territoire (délivrée par la police locale) en bonne et due forme", c'est que le passeport ne suffira pas.
Mais je ne suis pas sûre non plus que ce document te concerne. Une autorisation de sortie de territoire français est établie sur la base d'une pièce d'identité française. Pas d'une pièce d'identité de l'espace schengen. Je pense nécessaire de vérifier ce qu'il en est pour les mineurs Espagnols, et en plus qui sortent de France et non d'Espagne. Je pense que les services de mairie dédiés aux étrangers pourront te renseigner.
Si Ryan Air n'est pas satisfait des documents que tu présentes, ils ne prendront aucun risque : tu ne seras pas autorisé à embarquer.
S'il s'avère que c'est vraiment le document que tu dois présenter, il faut savoir qu'une autorisation de sortie de territoire est délivrée par la mairie (et non par la police locale), en présence du ou des parents, et de leurs pièces d'identité. Détenir un passeport ne prouve absolument pas que les parents sont d'accord que leur enfant mineur aille où il veut quand il veut ; c'est pour ça qu'il existe cette autorisation de sortie de territoire. Mais c'est propre à la législation française, pour les Français. Encore une fois : à vérifer ce qu'il en est pour les mineurs espagnols.
Je remarque que cette partie du règlement de Ryan Air concerne les mineurs 16-18 ans voulant voyager sur un vol "entre des pays de l'EEE". J'imagine qu'ils sont d'autant plus vigilants quand il s'agit de vol hors EEE.
bon courage ! (je suis intéressée par l'issue de ton affaire ! pourras-tu nous tenir au courant ?)
Mais je ne suis pas sûre non plus que ce document te concerne. Une autorisation de sortie de territoire français est établie sur la base d'une pièce d'identité française. Pas d'une pièce d'identité de l'espace schengen. Je pense nécessaire de vérifier ce qu'il en est pour les mineurs Espagnols, et en plus qui sortent de France et non d'Espagne. Je pense que les services de mairie dédiés aux étrangers pourront te renseigner.
Si Ryan Air n'est pas satisfait des documents que tu présentes, ils ne prendront aucun risque : tu ne seras pas autorisé à embarquer.
S'il s'avère que c'est vraiment le document que tu dois présenter, il faut savoir qu'une autorisation de sortie de territoire est délivrée par la mairie (et non par la police locale), en présence du ou des parents, et de leurs pièces d'identité. Détenir un passeport ne prouve absolument pas que les parents sont d'accord que leur enfant mineur aille où il veut quand il veut ; c'est pour ça qu'il existe cette autorisation de sortie de territoire. Mais c'est propre à la législation française, pour les Français. Encore une fois : à vérifer ce qu'il en est pour les mineurs espagnols.
Je remarque que cette partie du règlement de Ryan Air concerne les mineurs 16-18 ans voulant voyager sur un vol "entre des pays de l'EEE". J'imagine qu'ils sont d'autant plus vigilants quand il s'agit de vol hors EEE.
bon courage ! (je suis intéressée par l'issue de ton affaire ! pourras-tu nous tenir au courant ?)
... là-bas si j'y suis...
Bonsoir,
Pour ce qui est de la sortie du territoire pour un mineur Français, le passeport est suffisant ! En effet ce dernier est accordé avec l'autorisation des parents, qui donnent ainsi le pouvoir leur enfant de voyager seul http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F1922.xhtml
L'autorisation parentale est par contre requise si le mineur voyage avec une carte d'identité dans un pays qui n'exige pas le passeport.
http://service-public-particuliers.gouv.mc/International/Voyager-a-l-etranger/Generalites/Demander-une-autorisation-de-sortie-du-territoire-pour-un-mineur
un Espagnol qui voyage est soumis aux mêmes droits qu'un Français, mais je ne pense pas que la mairie lui délivre une autorisation de sortie ( non utile ici puisqu'il a son passeport) Ryanair précise bien voyageant avec une carte d'identité, où là l'autorisation est bien nécessaire.
Je vois régulièrement des mineurs venir seuls au Maroc avec leur seul passeport, sans problème !
Pour ce qui est de la sortie du territoire pour un mineur Français, le passeport est suffisant ! En effet ce dernier est accordé avec l'autorisation des parents, qui donnent ainsi le pouvoir leur enfant de voyager seul http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F1922.xhtml
L'autorisation parentale est par contre requise si le mineur voyage avec une carte d'identité dans un pays qui n'exige pas le passeport.
http://service-public-particuliers.gouv.mc/International/Voyager-a-l-etranger/Generalites/Demander-une-autorisation-de-sortie-du-territoire-pour-un-mineur
un Espagnol qui voyage est soumis aux mêmes droits qu'un Français, mais je ne pense pas que la mairie lui délivre une autorisation de sortie ( non utile ici puisqu'il a son passeport) Ryanair précise bien voyageant avec une carte d'identité, où là l'autorisation est bien nécessaire.
Je vois régulièrement des mineurs venir seuls au Maroc avec leur seul passeport, sans problème !
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
ce n'est pas parce que les parents ont fait un passeport à leur enfant mineur qu'ils sont OK qu'il voyage seul partout à travers le monde. La loi dit autre chose, mais visiblement elle n'est pas appliquée toujours à la lettre : je suis éducatrice, et pour ma part je vois parfois des mineurs qui ne peuvent pas sortir seuls du territoire vers d'autres pays avec seulement leur passeport. ça dépend de l'agent ? et peut-être aussi des compagnies aériennes ?
... là-bas si j'y suis...
Des parents qui font faire un passeport à leur enfant savent qu'il lui donnent une autorisation de voyager comme il veut.
Si il n'ont pas confiance, ils gardent le passeport ou il ne lui en font pas faire.
Maintenant il y a des pays qui demandent en plus un visa, là le passeport ne suffit plus. Et certaines compagnies, comme Ryanair, qui exigent qu'un mineur de moins de 16 ans soit accompagné d'un adulte.
Mais au niveau de la police des frontières, il n'y a aucune justification de ne pas laisser sortir un mineur s'il a un passeport !
Maintenant il y a des pays qui demandent en plus un visa, là le passeport ne suffit plus. Et certaines compagnies, comme Ryanair, qui exigent qu'un mineur de moins de 16 ans soit accompagné d'un adulte.
Mais au niveau de la police des frontières, il n'y a aucune justification de ne pas laisser sortir un mineur s'il a un passeport !
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
Bonjour,
Peux tu préciser la nature exacte du document demandé ? De quelle source fiable as-tu cette réponse ? L'autorisation ( parfois appelée aussi attestation )de sortie n'est nécessaire pour un mineur Français que dans le cas où il possède une carte d'identité et qu'il va voyager seul en Europe. Pour partir àl'étranger, c'est le passeport obligatoire, ce qui est ton cas.
Je ne vois pas de quel droit une compagnie aérienne te demanderait ce document qui ne se justifie nullement pour un Français ... C'est ça l'espace Schengen : une seule frontière extérieure commune ... Même règles pour tous les ressortissants.
En tout état de cause l'autorisation de sortie, délivrée en France pour un Espagnol, devrait être demandée plutôt au consultat qu'à la mairie...
Peux tu préciser la nature exacte du document demandé ? De quelle source fiable as-tu cette réponse ? L'autorisation ( parfois appelée aussi attestation )de sortie n'est nécessaire pour un mineur Français que dans le cas où il possède une carte d'identité et qu'il va voyager seul en Europe. Pour partir àl'étranger, c'est le passeport obligatoire, ce qui est ton cas.
Je ne vois pas de quel droit une compagnie aérienne te demanderait ce document qui ne se justifie nullement pour un Français ... C'est ça l'espace Schengen : une seule frontière extérieure commune ... Même règles pour tous les ressortissants.
En tout état de cause l'autorisation de sortie, délivrée en France pour un Espagnol, devrait être demandée plutôt au consultat qu'à la mairie...
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
Alors c'est quoi la différence ???
http://www.fresnes94.fr/demarches-et-services/affaires-generales-et-funeraires/affaires-generales/attestation-de-sortie-de-territoire/
Et en tant qu'Espagnol où peux-tu obtenir ton document ?
Et en tant qu'Espagnol où peux-tu obtenir ton document ?
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
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Thanks in advance for your replies.
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Hi
Has anyone been to Rwanda recently and gotten a 3-month visa on arrival easily?
Thanks
Hi there,
My departure is slowly approaching, and now that I’ve got my Russian visa sorted, I’m fine-tuning the rest of my trip to Tajikistan. Since the Tajik visa is no longer required for stays under 30 days (for French nationals), I’ll need to visit the Ministry of Interior (OVIR) to register within 10 days of entering the country. No big deal, though, since I had to go there anyway to apply for my GBAO permit. 😉 However, I’ve *seen* several reports from travelers (mostly motorized) mentioning that you need an entry permit for Kyrgyzstan, which has to be arranged in advance at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) in Dushanbe. Otherwise, you’re *stuck* at the Kyzyl-Art border (with no Wi-Fi, of course, to try and sort it out). The most recent report was from a year ago, so I’d love to know if this is still the case and if it’s indeed at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) where you need to go for this pre-authorization.
Does anyone have any recent info on this?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone.
I’m leaving for almost 3 months in the Philippines (11 weeks total) starting in early May.
I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?






