A L ecoute de vos conseils, merci jean luc/youssef
Création d'une poissonnerie à Gueliz/Marrakech
by Jlfisch
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
salam,
je suis francais, converti, et je me marie avec une marocaine de marrakech en mars,
en france j ai un magasin de poissonnerie et cela marche bien, j envisageais de m installer
a marrakech ou a gueliz, pour ouvrir une poissonnerie (frais) coquillages et crustacés et un restaurant de poisson, pensez vous que cela peut marcher?
A L ecoute de vos conseils, merci jean luc/youssef
A L ecoute de vos conseils, merci jean luc/youssef
Ciao, et avant tout je vais vous démoraliser, en effet il faut savoir qu'il y' a une telle pression foncière à Marrakech en général et à Gueliz en particulier qu'un fond de 100m2 se négocie à......250 000 euros, vous avez bien entendu, je parle en euro.
Seconde chose, à quelle clientèle vous voulez vous adresser, locale ou touristique, en ce qui concerne la seconde je serais sceptique, car la plupart des touristes sont en demi pension, ils vont manger un simple sandwich à midi.
La clientèle marocaine (ou/ et résidents étrangers ) me semble plus intéressante si vous désirez combiner poissonnerie et restauration. Je vous conseille de prendre votre temps, et commencer par ce que vous maîtrisez le mieux à savoir la poissonnerie, pour ce genre de projet vous pouvez trouvez un fond de commerce accessible, aux environs de 20 000 euros à proximité de l' ancien consulat de France à Marrakech, et une fois que vous êtes installés, voir plus grand. La maîtrise de la logistique du froid de ce genre de produit est vitale.
Je suis restaurateur, franco=marocain, et cela fait bien deux ans que je cherche à m'installer au Maroc, et je commence à peine à cerner les ficelles nécessaires pour un investissement au pays.
En tant que français vous allez bénéficier d' un a priori positif, donc il faut répondre aux attentes de la clientèle, surtout en terme de qualité, il existe partout au maroc une classe sociale prête à payer plus cher mais à condition d' avoir des produits frais tout au long de l' année. Et là les difficultés commencent. Le marché du poisson est en cour d' organisation, c' est un peu l' anarchie actuellement, donc il faut aller se fournir directement aux ports, cela exige son propre véhicule frigorifique. L' obligation du respect du repos biologique fait disparaître certaines variétés de poisson des étales, on peut presque considérer cette activité comme saisonnière.
j ai bien prevu de faire venir par camion frigo tous les jours de agadir, safi et essaouira, je veux vendre aussi des crustacés, huitres, coquillages, gambas, plats traiteur francais, (bouillabaisse, soupe, ;;;;;moules), quand tu dis saisonnier, y a t il moyen de vivre toute l année avec une poissonnerie?
certaines espèces ne sont péchées que 3 mois par an, par exemple les pélagiques. Il faut se renseigner auprès du ministère de la péche maritime pour se faire une idée du calendrier de disponibilité de toutes les variétés. Le maroc exporte du poisson mais n' en importe pas, ou du moins en produit frais.
Je vous conseille de parcourir toute la cote marocaine, méditerranée( thon, , ) et atlantique, et prendre contact avec des pécheurs, vous aurez ainsi une vision globale de ce marché.
L' ancien consulat se trouve non loin du terminus des calèches, près de jamaa el fna.
L' activité, malgré son caractère quasi saisonnier, reste rentable, à condition de maîtriser la chaîne du froid.
Bonjour! ce que tu veux entreprendre je le maîtrise parfaitement restaurant poissonnerie je sais faire; je suis au Maroc depuis cinq ans je connais le monde de la mer comme très peut de français je suis marié à une berbere et j'ai vaicu presque deux ans à Dakhla .
je suis en pleine réflection pour monter une entreprise de mareyage ;mais le partenaria marocain n'est pas simple.
Le français est perçu comme sérieux et compétant .
Mais je te décourrage de suite de monter quelque chose à Marrakech . Le plus difficile c'est de trouver des interlocuteurs .
Tu connais Lequertier à lyon ? je connais Didier et Eric Lequertier les patrons de CAEN /MONDEVILLE calvados
Ne fais aucune confience et ceci dans tout???
Sur 100 Français à crée un seul réussi et tout les autres se font plumés.
Au Maroc rien n'est facile . Moi j'aime ce pays le gens y sont très chaleureux, c'est un pays froid ou le soleil est chaud
Si tu veux avoir une réflection en complément de ton projet je suis un interlocuteur tres averti ;
pas du Babla?
je serai en France vers le 13 octobre
@ plus
remy Hardy
salut jlfisch, moi pour ma part je te conseil de venir d'abord au Maroc de te marier puis de visiter la ville de marrakech et les villes côtières pour te rendre compte toi même, puisque tu es du métier je suis sur que tu trouveras facilement ou tu vas t'installer n'oublies pas de rendre visite au CRI ( centre regional d'investissement) c'est un bureau interlocuteur unique pour les investisseurs, eux sont au courant de tous les projets en court ou à venir dans toute la province de Marrakech, à bientôt je te souhaite un heureux mariage.
A. hamid
merci de ton message et ta reponse, je connais bien le maroc et je connais des marocains de confiance comme je connais des francais de confiance. Ma belle famille est bien implanté sur marrakech casa et safi. je connais Lequertier de nom seulement, c est une ancienne maison, je suis pret a te rencontrer je suis en france en octobre, moi je suis de lyon je te donne mon email jlfisch@hotmail.fr je te laisserai un telephone, merci
jluc
bonjour hamid et merci pour ta reponse et pour tes voeux. je viens un mois en janvier pour reperer un peu mieux, je vais a casa, safi essaouira et marrakech. C vrai que je me rendrai plus compte sur place, le consulat du maroc a lyon me conseil plutot de faire des chambres d hotes dans un ryad est ce que ca marche? plutot qu une poissonnerie, en tant que consommateurs trouves tu qu il manque de poissonnerie au maroc? une poissonnerie a l occidentale peut elle fonctionner? merci
Bonjour;
Avec le nombre croissant de retraités européens qui n'osent pas mettre les pieds dans un marché populaire et qui se bousculent dans les Marjane, Métro ou Acima, il est possible que ton idée ne soit pas si ridicule que ça.
Mais surement à condition que tu maitrises tes appros, très en amont.
Le gros problème sera le prix de l'immobilier dans Guéliz, le moindre pas de porte étant pris d'assaut par des grandes marques de vètement.
Par contre il est ridicule sinon suicidaire de mettre de la thune dans une 2000eme maison d'hotes. les non professionnels qui le font sont en train de se tirer une guerre sans merci, à l'aide de coups bas, de débauche de personnel, de délation à la Willaya, de campagnes de dénigrement sur les forums. mais c'est malheureusement le genre de conseil que l'on peut tirer de la part de fonctionnaires planqués qui n'ont aucune réalité de leur pays.
Par contre il est ridicule sinon suicidaire de mettre de la thune dans une 2000eme maison d'hotes. les non professionnels qui le font sont en train de se tirer une guerre sans merci, à l'aide de coups bas, de débauche de personnel, de délation à la Willaya, de campagnes de dénigrement sur les forums. mais c'est malheureusement le genre de conseil que l'on peut tirer de la part de fonctionnaires planqués qui n'ont aucune réalité de leur pays.
salut jlfisch, oui l'idée de riade marche aussi bien, mais moi je maintien ce que je t'ai dit il faut contacter les CRI des villes que tu as choisi, chaque centre a des créneaux bien particuliers, ils te proposent même des projets à réaliser, tu sais le Maroc change très rapidement enfin tu verras ça de toi même à bientôt.
A. hamid
Ayant monté deux affaires au Maroc il y a 30 ans ave succès, je pense qu'il faut plutôt penser à Casablanca où il existe une clientèle aisée et possibilité de travailler toute l'année, le climat de Marrakech est très chaud en été surtout pour la vente de poissons frais.
Casa est la capitale des affaires et il y a de l'argent.
Un vieux casablancais.
Casa est la capitale des affaires et il y a de l'argent.
Un vieux casablancais.
merci pour votre reponse, en fait mon projet a evolué il s agirait d acheter mon poisson quotidiennement a casablanca, safi et essaioura et de livrer tout les jours du poisson frais aux restaurants, hotels, riads de marrakech. En fait je m oriente plus vers une activité de grossiste,
jean luc
bonjour et merci pour ta reponse, mon projet evolue doucement, je pensais plutot acheter mon poisson quotidiennement mon poisson a essaouira, safi et casa, investir dans un ou deux camions frigo aux normes europeennes et livrer les restaurants, hotels et riad de marrakech qui a priori ont du mal sur ces produits. je ferais des livraisons quotidiennes de peches du jour,
Le projet me parait excellent, un dernier conseil, surtout le faire seul même si ça démarre plus lentement.
L'association est une chose très difficile même et surtout avec la famille ou des financiers.
Les bonnes idées sont rares autant la garder pour toi.
Maintenant que l'autoroute va de Casa à Marrakech cela sera plus facile; fini les camions de ciment ou de ferraillage qui te bloque à 10 à l'heure. Pour moi c'était une route dangereuse depuis 50 ans.
Je me réjouis de la prendre en octobre
Bonne chance et succès, Inch Allah
Gérard
L'association est une chose très difficile même et surtout avec la famille ou des financiers.
Les bonnes idées sont rares autant la garder pour toi.
Maintenant que l'autoroute va de Casa à Marrakech cela sera plus facile; fini les camions de ciment ou de ferraillage qui te bloque à 10 à l'heure. Pour moi c'était une route dangereuse depuis 50 ans.
Je me réjouis de la prendre en octobre
Bonne chance et succès, Inch Allah
Gérard
Bonsoir jean luc
Je gère un cabinet d'audit et de Conseil en management sur Marrakech.
Je travaille actuellement dans une mission de conseil auprès d'une société basée sur Agadir qui projette vendre du poisson frais en ligne plus particulièrement sur Marrakech, via internet et des bornes installées dans des superettes (concept : de la mer à votre assiette en moins de 24 H). Cette société dispose d'une chaine intérgée : son propre bâteau plongrier + Unité de traitement + Emballage + des véhicules de transport. Donc je suis en ce moment proche en quelque sorte par rapport à votre projet professionnel.
Je pense que le projet ''Restaurant spécialité poisson'' reste un projet porteur sur Marrakech. Il n'existe aucun restaurant sur Marrakech digne de ce nom? Il y avait un reastaurant appelé ''EL Oualidia'' qui a du fermer il y a plus que 5 ans à priori car les gestionnaires n'étaient pas des personnes du métier. Bref, il faut établir une étude dans ce sens (un business plan) avant d'affirmer ou infirmer la faisabilité du projet.
Je reste à votre disposition pour toutes informations complémentaires.
Raouf Belhachemi
Actif conseil sarl
Place Ibn Tachfine
Marrakech
E-mail : actifconseil@caramail.com
bonjour, jean luc / youssef, dite moi vous avez avancé dans vos projet concernant la poissonnerie a marackech? je c'est qe dans le nord du maroc sa marche tres bien le poisson, une petite question j'aimerai creer une poissonnerie en france, pourriez vous me donner des infos? le cout, les démarches a suivre, se quil faut et ne faut pas faire merci
cordialement
bonjour
est ce que vous avez envisager la source c a d l achat du poisson sera ou?
sans oublier la température qui atteins les 55 degrés
pleins d étranger on essayer mais c étais un projet dans les nuages
cordialement🏴☠️
sans oublier la température qui atteins les 55 degrés
ah bon!
tu es sur que c'etait si elevé?
ah bon!
tu es sur que c'etait si elevé?
bonjour les mois juillet , aout , septembre , c est le calvaire
moi je veux développer un projet en France l huile d argan de très bonnes qualités j ai déjà essayer en Belgique mais c étais quelqu'un incompétent je cherche quelqu'un avec qui je peux travailler tranquillement on peux faire une société d import export
merci de m aider
cordialement
Younes
bonjour
vous n avez qu a visite Marrakech le mois de juillet aout est vous allez voir
pour l argan il n existe dans la région de haouz Marrakech l origine est de souss massa c a d agadir pour votre connaissance seulement, ca se voi que vous avez de très mauvaises idées est merci pour tous
cordialement
younes
bonjour tous le monde
je veux commercialise l huil d argan de très bonne qualité avec la certification iso en Europe, est ce qu il y a quelqu'un un qu est intéressé par le produit, je peux lui fournir des quantités intéressantes
cordialement
Younes
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I’d love to hear about life in this region! We’re looking for a quiet spot close to the sea. Any recommendations? As for the paperwork, is it difficult to get everything official? Is finding housing tough in this area? What kind of guarantees are usually required? If any kind soul could shed some light on this, we’d really appreciate it! 🥺🏻
Thanks so much for your help and advice! ☺️
I'm looking for an au pair who'd like to come to Bournemouth in the south of England, and I'd love to know what the best websites are to find one, please.
Hi everyone,
I’d like to get some information about my eligibility for the DV Lottery.
About my background: • I earned a *Bac Pro* through VAE (*Validation des Acquis de l’Expérience*), issued by the *Éducation nationale*. • I also have a professional certification as a *Conseiller en Insertion* (Employment Counselor), issued by the Ministry of Labor. • Altogether, this adds up to a *Bac+2* level.
I’d like to know if this level qualifies me to apply for the DV Lottery.
Regarding my work experience: • I work as an *Employment Counselor*. • I checked on O*Net Online for the classification: Job Zone 4, SVP Range: 7.0 – <8.0. • I only have one year of experience, but I handle similar tasks in business creation.
So my question is: can I apply for the DV Lottery despite my relatively short experience, given that my job falls under Job Zone 4?
Thanks in advance for your answers and advice! !
I’d like to get some information about my eligibility for the DV Lottery.
About my background: • I earned a *Bac Pro* through VAE (*Validation des Acquis de l’Expérience*), issued by the *Éducation nationale*. • I also have a professional certification as a *Conseiller en Insertion* (Employment Counselor), issued by the Ministry of Labor. • Altogether, this adds up to a *Bac+2* level.
I’d like to know if this level qualifies me to apply for the DV Lottery.
Regarding my work experience: • I work as an *Employment Counselor*. • I checked on O*Net Online for the classification: Job Zone 4, SVP Range: 7.0 – <8.0. • I only have one year of experience, but I handle similar tasks in business creation.
So my question is: can I apply for the DV Lottery despite my relatively short experience, given that my job falls under Job Zone 4?
Thanks in advance for your answers and advice! !
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for info on villages around Aix, like Fuveau, Bouc-Bel-Air, or even Éguilles and Venelles? We’re a couple with a child living in the Paris region, and I’ll be relocating to Aix-en-Provence in spring 2026. We’d love to swap our apartment for a house with a pool within 20-30 minutes max of central Aix, with a budget of around 650k €.
In terms of climate and geography, I’ve read that Aix is in a basin where it can get really hot. What about the surrounding villages that are a bit more elevated, like Venelles? Is it just as stifling?
For a family, which area would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your replies!
I’m looking for info on villages around Aix, like Fuveau, Bouc-Bel-Air, or even Éguilles and Venelles? We’re a couple with a child living in the Paris region, and I’ll be relocating to Aix-en-Provence in spring 2026. We’d love to swap our apartment for a house with a pool within 20-30 minutes max of central Aix, with a budget of around 650k €.
In terms of climate and geography, I’ve read that Aix is in a basin where it can get really hot. What about the surrounding villages that are a bit more elevated, like Venelles? Is it just as stifling?
For a family, which area would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your replies!
Starting this spring, we want to settle near Aix-en-Provence. We're tired of living in the mountains with all the snow—we really need some sunshine and a fresh start. Is it hard to find a house to rent there? What about prices? If you have any great tips or useful info about the area, we’d love to hear it. I work in education and want to do prevention work in Marseille or Aix—are there jobs in the social sector?
Anyway, we need tons of info, but we’re sure we’re going to take the leap—no hesitation, adventure is adventure!!! Thanks for your help and any experiences you can share.
Anyway, we need tons of info, but we’re sure we’re going to take the leap—no hesitation, adventure is adventure!!! Thanks for your help and any experiences you can share.
Hi,
I’m an osteopath and I’d like to set up and open an osteopathy practice in Thailand. I don’t have a precise location in mind yet, but I’m thinking maybe Hua Hin. I saw there’s an osteopath based in Phuket, so I wrote to him for some info, but he still hasn’t replied🤪!
So I’m reaching out to people who live there or know the country well: I’d like to know what the best ways are to advertise and get known in Thailand. Are there any local classifieds newspapers? First, I’d like to practice from my apartment. Is that allowed in Thailand? Ideally, I’d like to work part-time in a private hospital as an osteopath. I’m thinking that in Thailand, the medical field is much more open than in Europe!!! Has anyone seen an osteopath or chiropractor working in a Thai hospital? Do you know the price of a consultation?
Any info you can share will be super helpful! Thanks in advance[;)!!!]
I’m an osteopath and I’d like to set up and open an osteopathy practice in Thailand. I don’t have a precise location in mind yet, but I’m thinking maybe Hua Hin. I saw there’s an osteopath based in Phuket, so I wrote to him for some info, but he still hasn’t replied🤪!
So I’m reaching out to people who live there or know the country well: I’d like to know what the best ways are to advertise and get known in Thailand. Are there any local classifieds newspapers? First, I’d like to practice from my apartment. Is that allowed in Thailand? Ideally, I’d like to work part-time in a private hospital as an osteopath. I’m thinking that in Thailand, the medical field is much more open than in Europe!!! Has anyone seen an osteopath or chiropractor working in a Thai hospital? Do you know the price of a consultation?
Any info you can share will be super helpful! Thanks in advance[;)!!!]
Hello everyone,
We’re a small family from the south of France, with a 2-year-old little boy, and we’re dreaming of starting a new adventure abroad by opening our own business. For now, we haven’t chosen a specific destination yet.
We mainly speak French, with a basic level of Spanish and English, and we’re ready to improve these two languages if needed. We’re looking for a multicultural, safe country with quality healthcare and good schools accessible for our son. We’d also love a pleasant place with a mild climate where life is good.
Our idea is to travel to different countries to explore, compare, and refine our project. We’d be really happy to read your tips, experiences, or anecdotes if you’ve already undertaken a similar project or if you know key points to anticipate.
Thanks in advance for your shares and help—it would really help us move forward with our project! 😄
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Dublin as an au pair in a few weeks.
I’m looking for a reputable language school. It’s so hard to choose! Has anyone already done a language stay in Dublin? Any tips? Thanks so much! :)
Hi everyone, so I’m planning to go study at a community college in the U.S., but the only snag is which one—there are so many options over there! I’ve heard about one in California, Diablo Valley College, and another in Florida, Valencia College. I know both states are super attractive for tourism, but my main criteria are teaching quality and price. I’m open to any advice, comments, or suggestions—thanks in advance! The start of the semester is coming up, and I’m a little nervous...
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