L'Ouest américain avec cette agence?
by Buzzed
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Je projette un voyage l'été prochain en famille à la découverte de la côte californienne et des grands parcs. J'ai notamment fait un devis chez Comptoir des Voyages. Avez-vous une expérience avec cette agence? S'agissant d'un budget important, je voudrais m'assurer du sérieux de l'agence.
Très peu de membres du forum passent par une agence, nous organisons tous nos voyages nous-mêmes.
N'espérez pas trop de retour.
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Bonjour Alexandre,
Je n'ai pas d'expérience avec "Comptoir des Voyages".
Cordialement.
Je n'ai pas d'expérience avec "Comptoir des Voyages".
Cordialement.
Hiacinthe
Les états unis sont très facile a vivre , L'organisation par vous-même ne pose aucun problème . Les Américains sont sympa pragmatiques et honnêtes , ils conduisent bien, très bon réseaux routier . Il y a de super terrains de camping qui sont selon moi la meilleure façon de profiter de ce merveilleux pays avec des paysages fabuleux . Vous trouverez tous les renseignements sur ce site de VF. Lisez les carnets de voyage du site. Mais si vous décider de partir avec une agence en groupe c'est 2 fois plus chère, 3 semaines 3000 € par pers ;Moi a 2 pers 1400 € TTC a 4 pers 1200 € par per TTC , les prix des Hotels vont de 34 € a 150 € avec 2 lit de 160 cm presque dans tous les hotels et motel, camping de gratuit 5$ ,10$,25$ par emplacement.
Exemple : du 8 au 31 Aout 24 jours :
Roadtrip au départ et retour Los Angeles Avion : 714 € cette année ( il y a eu des promos a moins de 400 € AR Paris de province, LAX ) Voiture SUV par Alamo 944 € conso 10l/100 6000 km essence 400 € camping 14 nuits 350 $ Hotel 10 nuits a Los Angeles , Las Vegas , San Francisco 600 € a 800 € Hotel Los Angeles Hotel Las Vegas Hotel Merced Hotel San Francisco
Voici les sites pour vous aider . ouestusa.fr/ www.roadtrippin.fr/
Carnet de voyage: voyageforum.com/membres/isap29/
Comparateur Billet d'avion Skyscanner.fr Location de voiture Skyscanner.fr
Roadtrip au départ et retour Los Angeles Avion : 714 € cette année ( il y a eu des promos a moins de 400 € AR Paris de province, LAX ) Voiture SUV par Alamo 944 € conso 10l/100 6000 km essence 400 € camping 14 nuits 350 $ Hotel 10 nuits a Los Angeles , Las Vegas , San Francisco 600 € a 800 € Hotel Los Angeles Hotel Las Vegas Hotel Merced Hotel San Francisco
Voici les sites pour vous aider . ouestusa.fr/ www.roadtrippin.fr/
Carnet de voyage: voyageforum.com/membres/isap29/
Comparateur Billet d'avion Skyscanner.fr Location de voiture Skyscanner.fr
Bonjour
Je ne connais pas cette agence but une recherche sur Google me donne un lien sur Le Petit Futé ou plusieurs personnes ont noté leurs expériences.
Good luck
Kristen
Bonjour
Comme déjà dit, peu sur ce forum utilisent une agence pour organiser leur voyage.
Le probleme de beaucoup d'agence est qu'elles se contentent de piocher dans leurs catalogue pour vendre un circuit, ou mieux, en construire un. Ca peut aller du pire au meilleur.
Pour mieux vs repondre, ca serait donc bien de ns communiquer le contenu : trajet, hotels...
Comme déjà dit, peu sur ce forum utilisent une agence pour organiser leur voyage.
Le probleme de beaucoup d'agence est qu'elles se contentent de piocher dans leurs catalogue pour vendre un circuit, ou mieux, en construire un. Ca peut aller du pire au meilleur.
Pour mieux vs repondre, ca serait donc bien de ns communiquer le contenu : trajet, hotels...
d'abord...Bonjour !
Et si tu donnais plus de détails ? dates, durée, circuit, prix ?????
Si c'est un copié/collé de certains TO, en bus, 50 personnes, 600km/jour, des hôtels bas de gamme dans des endroits paumés, etc... alors poubelle !
Tous les goûts sont dans la nature, mais il faut bien connaître ce que l'on te vends, et l'assumer.
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Et si tu donnais plus de détails ? dates, durée, circuit, prix ?????
Si c'est un copié/collé de certains TO, en bus, 50 personnes, 600km/jour, des hôtels bas de gamme dans des endroits paumés, etc... alors poubelle !
Tous les goûts sont dans la nature, mais il faut bien connaître ce que l'on te vends, et l'assumer.
à +
4 fois en Camping-car: Parcs US - NewMex - Yellowst - Louisiane.
http://blogs.crespel.me/usa2009/ http://blogs.crespel.me/usa2011/
http://blogs.crespel.me/usa2012/ http://blogs.crespel.me/usa2013/
Andalousie, Bretagne, Corse, Provence, Sicile, Toscane, villes d'Italie.
sur : http://blogs.crespel.me/
Bonjour
Comme déjà dit, peu sur ce forum utilisent une agence pour organiser leur voyage.
Le probleme de beaucoup d'agence est qu'elles se contentent de piocher dans leurs catalogue pour vendre un circuit, ou mieux, en construire un. Ca peut aller du pire au meilleur.
Pour mieux vs repondre, ca serait donc bien de ns communiquer le contenu : trajet, hotels...
Bonjour Jean-Pierre,
Par curiosité, je suis allée regarder ce que proposait "Comptoir des Voyages " comme circuit auto-tour. A part l'étape de Mammoth Lakes qui aurait pu être déplacée à Lee Vining, le reste est bien choisi, je trouve : www.comptoir.fr/...icain-300_F_1_r.aspx
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Comme déjà dit, peu sur ce forum utilisent une agence pour organiser leur voyage.
Le probleme de beaucoup d'agence est qu'elles se contentent de piocher dans leurs catalogue pour vendre un circuit, ou mieux, en construire un. Ca peut aller du pire au meilleur.
Pour mieux vs repondre, ca serait donc bien de ns communiquer le contenu : trajet, hotels...
Bonjour Jean-Pierre,
Par curiosité, je suis allée regarder ce que proposait "Comptoir des Voyages " comme circuit auto-tour. A part l'étape de Mammoth Lakes qui aurait pu être déplacée à Lee Vining, le reste est bien choisi, je trouve : www.comptoir.fr/...icain-300_F_1_r.aspx
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Hiacinthe
Bonjour dans un premier temps,
Et surtout ne remercie pas ceux qui se donnent la peine de te répondre. 😛
Bonjour,
En 2011, j'étais passée par eux pour mon premier voyage dans l'Ouest, décidé sur un coup de tête. Ils m'ont proposé un itinéraire et se sont occupés de la réservation des hôtels et de la voiture. Je ne connaissais rien à l'Ouest américain et je voulais principalement voir Yellowstone. J'ai été très satisfaite du voyage et avec le recul, je peux dire qu'ils m'ont proposé un timing parfait (ex 3 jours à Moab). Celui qui s'est occupé de moi connaissait parfaitement le coin et à fait du sur-mesure.
Mais effectivement, il n'y a pas besoin de passer par une agence car tout s'organise très bien si on a du temps et c'est nettement moins cher de le faire soi-même. Lors du deuxième voyage en 2013, j'ai tout organisé en piochant beaucoup d'infos sur le forum et c'était parfait.
En 2011, j'étais passée par eux pour mon premier voyage dans l'Ouest, décidé sur un coup de tête. Ils m'ont proposé un itinéraire et se sont occupés de la réservation des hôtels et de la voiture. Je ne connaissais rien à l'Ouest américain et je voulais principalement voir Yellowstone. J'ai été très satisfaite du voyage et avec le recul, je peux dire qu'ils m'ont proposé un timing parfait (ex 3 jours à Moab). Celui qui s'est occupé de moi connaissait parfaitement le coin et à fait du sur-mesure.
Mais effectivement, il n'y a pas besoin de passer par une agence car tout s'organise très bien si on a du temps et c'est nettement moins cher de le faire soi-même. Lors du deuxième voyage en 2013, j'ai tout organisé en piochant beaucoup d'infos sur le forum et c'était parfait.
Mes carnets de voyage :http://deparlemonde.jimdo.com/
Tu as eu la chance de tomber sur une personne de l'agence qui était compétente.
Comment le savoir avant ?
Et malgré tout, tu as organisé le voyage suivant par toi-même. Ça résume très bien l'inutilité d'une agence.
Et malgré tout, tu as organisé le voyage suivant par toi-même. Ça résume très bien l'inutilité d'une agence.
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Hello,
Tu ne remercies (après 4 jours...) que celui qui va dans ton sens !!!
Et les autres qui t'on donné des tuyaux, posés des questions, n'en ont pas droit...
Chapeau, belle entrée sur le forum. Forum = bénévoles et NON agence.
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Tu ne remercies (après 4 jours...) que celui qui va dans ton sens !!!
Et les autres qui t'on donné des tuyaux, posés des questions, n'en ont pas droit...
Chapeau, belle entrée sur le forum. Forum = bénévoles et NON agence.
à +
4 fois en Camping-car: Parcs US - NewMex - Yellowst - Louisiane.
http://blogs.crespel.me/usa2009/ http://blogs.crespel.me/usa2011/
http://blogs.crespel.me/usa2012/ http://blogs.crespel.me/usa2013/
Andalousie, Bretagne, Corse, Provence, Sicile, Toscane, villes d'Italie.
sur : http://blogs.crespel.me/
Bonjour Louis,
Tu as raison de dire qu'il vaut mieux organiser son voyage soi-même mais cela demande beaucoup de temps de préparation en amont pour faire un bon itinéraire et encore du temps pour réserver les bons hôtels en regardant des avis à plusieurs endroits etc. Concrètement, mais je suis peut-être un peu lente 😎, tout ce travail de préparation me demande d'avoir une année de recul. Tout le monde ne dispose pas d'autant de temps et il faut alors aimer les voyages improvisés et réserver les hôtels à la dernière minute en prenant ce qui reste de disponible. Après, il y a agence et agence. Celle dont je parlais ici ne proposera pas des prix bas et en tout cas pour les Etats unis, elle a des représentants sur place, ce qui explique qu'ils savent de quoi ils parlent. Beaucoup d'agences ne font que vendre des voyages établis par d'autres et n'ont aucune connaissance du pays, en effet.
Tu as raison de dire qu'il vaut mieux organiser son voyage soi-même mais cela demande beaucoup de temps de préparation en amont pour faire un bon itinéraire et encore du temps pour réserver les bons hôtels en regardant des avis à plusieurs endroits etc. Concrètement, mais je suis peut-être un peu lente 😎, tout ce travail de préparation me demande d'avoir une année de recul. Tout le monde ne dispose pas d'autant de temps et il faut alors aimer les voyages improvisés et réserver les hôtels à la dernière minute en prenant ce qui reste de disponible. Après, il y a agence et agence. Celle dont je parlais ici ne proposera pas des prix bas et en tout cas pour les Etats unis, elle a des représentants sur place, ce qui explique qu'ils savent de quoi ils parlent. Beaucoup d'agences ne font que vendre des voyages établis par d'autres et n'ont aucune connaissance du pays, en effet.
Mes carnets de voyage :http://deparlemonde.jimdo.com/
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Tu as raison de dire qu'il vaut mieux organiser son voyage soi-même mais cela demande beaucoup de temps de préparation en amont pour faire un bon itinéraire et encore du temps pour réserver les bons hôtels en regardant des avis à plusieurs endroits etc......
Tu as raison Alix mais ...
Mais la préparation fait, pour moi, partie intégrante du voyage ...
Le préparer, le rêver, le mâcher petit à petit, rechercher les avis, les balades, les bons plans, les astuces, les coins qui nous plairont, les hôtels "qui vont biens", les évènements spécifiques .... les vols, l'examen des trajets et circuits, l'établissement des road books ... fait, pour nous, partie intégrante du voyage.
Parfois, à la veille du départ, je me demande vraiment si il faut vraiment décoller tant je "connais" (quasi) à fond ce programme que j'ai tant trituré. Parfois d'ailleurs j'ai peur d'être un peu déçu ... ce qui arrive parfois quand les attentes ont été surévaluées à la préparation.
Mais c'est si plaisant, jouissif et prenant, cette préparation....
Cela fait des mois que je "mâche" notre prochain départ en mai pour le Nord Ouest des USA, les rocheuses canadiennes et notre croisière en Alaska depuis Seattle ... Que du bonheur en préparation ..., préparation qui sera toujours à confronter à la réalité du terrain, ce qui fait son charme.
Mais bon, pour ce sujet comme pour d'autres, chacun "fait son lit comme il veut se coucher".
joseph 😉
Tu as raison Alix mais ...
Mais la préparation fait, pour moi, partie intégrante du voyage ...
Le préparer, le rêver, le mâcher petit à petit, rechercher les avis, les balades, les bons plans, les astuces, les coins qui nous plairont, les hôtels "qui vont biens", les évènements spécifiques .... les vols, l'examen des trajets et circuits, l'établissement des road books ... fait, pour nous, partie intégrante du voyage.
Parfois, à la veille du départ, je me demande vraiment si il faut vraiment décoller tant je "connais" (quasi) à fond ce programme que j'ai tant trituré. Parfois d'ailleurs j'ai peur d'être un peu déçu ... ce qui arrive parfois quand les attentes ont été surévaluées à la préparation.
Mais c'est si plaisant, jouissif et prenant, cette préparation....
Cela fait des mois que je "mâche" notre prochain départ en mai pour le Nord Ouest des USA, les rocheuses canadiennes et notre croisière en Alaska depuis Seattle ... Que du bonheur en préparation ..., préparation qui sera toujours à confronter à la réalité du terrain, ce qui fait son charme.
Mais bon, pour ce sujet comme pour d'autres, chacun "fait son lit comme il veut se coucher".
joseph 😉
Bonjour,
Le préparer, le rêver, le mâcher petit à petit, rechercher les avis, les balades, les bons plans, les astuces, les coins qui nous plairont, les hôtels "qui vont biens", les évènements spécifiques.... les vols, l'examen des trajets et circuits, l'établissement des road books... fait, pour nous, partie intégrante du voyage.
Parfois, à la veille du départ, je me demande vraiment si il faut vraiment décoller tant je "connais" (quasi) à fond ce programme que j'ai tant trituré. Parfois d'ailleurs j'ai peur d'être un peu déçu... ce qui arrive parfois quand les attentes ont été surévaluées à la préparation.
Je me reconnais tout à fait dans ce descriptif ! 😉 Et par chance à la maison, ce travail de préparation et ensuite de rédaction de carnet qui me permet de continuer un peu dans le voyage, n'amuse que moi ! Mon mari est quant à lui ravi de ne connaître que le nom de la destination et de tout découvrir sur place. Du coup, si j'ai mal fait mon boulot, il ne saura même pas qu'on a loupé quelque chose d'intéressant 😄 !
Le préparer, le rêver, le mâcher petit à petit, rechercher les avis, les balades, les bons plans, les astuces, les coins qui nous plairont, les hôtels "qui vont biens", les évènements spécifiques.... les vols, l'examen des trajets et circuits, l'établissement des road books... fait, pour nous, partie intégrante du voyage.
Parfois, à la veille du départ, je me demande vraiment si il faut vraiment décoller tant je "connais" (quasi) à fond ce programme que j'ai tant trituré. Parfois d'ailleurs j'ai peur d'être un peu déçu... ce qui arrive parfois quand les attentes ont été surévaluées à la préparation.
Je me reconnais tout à fait dans ce descriptif ! 😉 Et par chance à la maison, ce travail de préparation et ensuite de rédaction de carnet qui me permet de continuer un peu dans le voyage, n'amuse que moi ! Mon mari est quant à lui ravi de ne connaître que le nom de la destination et de tout découvrir sur place. Du coup, si j'ai mal fait mon boulot, il ne saura même pas qu'on a loupé quelque chose d'intéressant 😄 !
Mes carnets de voyage :http://deparlemonde.jimdo.com/
Bonjour Louis,
Tu as raison de dire qu'il vaut mieux organiser son voyage soi-même mais cela demande beaucoup de temps de préparation en amont pour faire un bon itinéraire et encore du temps pour réserver les bons hôtels en regardant des avis à plusieurs endroits etc. .
À partir de rien, ça peut paraître décourageant et ce serai impossible si tu partais dans une semaine mais vous projeter un voyage dans plusieurs mois.
Vous êtes prête a pendre et payer pour un circuit d'une agence,
1- Faites un copier/ coller d'un des nombreux circuits fait par des membre du forum et ce sera mieux que celui d'une agence et sans frais.
2- Fait un recherche sur le forum ( fenêtre Rechercher...en haut à droite ) d'hotels suggérées par des membres en consacrant une moyenne de 1 heure par jour et dans 3 semaines tout sera terminée.
L'agence demandera du temps aussi. Avec une agence tu ne dois pas croire que ce sera automatiquement de "bons" hotels situées dans des endroits intéressants pour finir la journée. Souvent c'est au milieu de nulle part.
À toi de voir.
Tu as raison de dire qu'il vaut mieux organiser son voyage soi-même mais cela demande beaucoup de temps de préparation en amont pour faire un bon itinéraire et encore du temps pour réserver les bons hôtels en regardant des avis à plusieurs endroits etc. .
À partir de rien, ça peut paraître décourageant et ce serai impossible si tu partais dans une semaine mais vous projeter un voyage dans plusieurs mois.
Vous êtes prête a pendre et payer pour un circuit d'une agence,
1- Faites un copier/ coller d'un des nombreux circuits fait par des membre du forum et ce sera mieux que celui d'une agence et sans frais.
2- Fait un recherche sur le forum ( fenêtre Rechercher...en haut à droite ) d'hotels suggérées par des membres en consacrant une moyenne de 1 heure par jour et dans 3 semaines tout sera terminée.
L'agence demandera du temps aussi. Avec une agence tu ne dois pas croire que ce sera automatiquement de "bons" hotels situées dans des endroits intéressants pour finir la journée. Souvent c'est au milieu de nulle part.
À toi de voir.
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Avec une agence tu ne dois pas croire que ce sera automatiquement de "bons" hotels situées dans des endroits intéressants pour finir la journée. Souvent c'est au milieu de nulle part.
Cela est vrai pour les circuits en groupe mais quand l'agence te fait des réservations pour un autotour individuel, c'est plutôt le contraire. Les trois seules fois ou je suis passée par une agence pour la réservation d'hôtels (aux Etats Unis, dans l'Est canadien et au Costa Rica), j'ai logé dans des hôtels toujours top et beaucoup plus haut de gamme que ceux où je vais habituellement. On te propose d'ailleurs plusieurs niveaux d'hôtels et même en prenant la catégorie la moins chère, ce sont de bons hôtels et dans mon cas, toujours très bien situés.
Cela est vrai pour les circuits en groupe mais quand l'agence te fait des réservations pour un autotour individuel, c'est plutôt le contraire. Les trois seules fois ou je suis passée par une agence pour la réservation d'hôtels (aux Etats Unis, dans l'Est canadien et au Costa Rica), j'ai logé dans des hôtels toujours top et beaucoup plus haut de gamme que ceux où je vais habituellement. On te propose d'ailleurs plusieurs niveaux d'hôtels et même en prenant la catégorie la moins chère, ce sont de bons hôtels et dans mon cas, toujours très bien situés.
Mes carnets de voyage :http://deparlemonde.jimdo.com/
Tu as été bien servi par ton agence et c'est tant mieux.
Par contre rien ne permet d'affirmer que c'est le cas de toutes les agence, au contraire.
Et le prix n'est pas le même que si tu organise par toi-même.
Et le prix n'est pas le même que si tu organise par toi-même.
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
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On the other hand, some places didn’t leave a big impression on us for various reasons, so we’re not making them a priority: Antelope Canyon, Monument Valley, for example.
We’re planning ahead, but might as well be smart about it😏
Do you have any tips for a fun and doable itinerary over about 20–25 days with kids, without rushing?
Thanks in advance for your feedback😉
After our first trip as a young couple to the West in 2007 (yes, that doesn’t make us any younger!), we’re planning to go back in 2028, but this time as a family of four! (We have two boys who’ll be 5½ and 13 years old in the summer of 2028.)
Our plan is to combine a few big cities (SF and LA, maybe San Diego) with national parks and state parks, mostly! Ideally, we’d like to leave at the end of June and head back to France around July 19–20, so we can enjoy the first week of the Olympic Games in Los Angeles.
Since we already did the "loop" in 2007, there are must-see places we absolutely want to revisit—and especially share with our kids: Bryce Canyon, Yosemite, and above all, the Grand Canyon, which is still the most incredible thing I’ve ever seen on Earth!
On the other hand, some places didn’t leave a big impression on us for various reasons, so we’re not making them a priority: Antelope Canyon, Monument Valley, for example.
We’re planning ahead, but might as well be smart about it😏
Do you have any tips for a fun and doable itinerary over about 20–25 days with kids, without rushing?
Thanks in advance for your feedback😉
Hi everyone! 🙂
Just a quick question about King Canyon and Sequoia National Park.
Before our night in Miramonte, we plan to visit King Canyon. The next stop will be two nights in Three Rivers to explore Sequoia National Park. I wanted to go all the way to Roaring River Falls on the King Canyon Scenic Byway and then turn back to head to Miramonte. Since we’re coming from Oakhurst, Google Maps says it’s 300 km and 5 hours of driving. Since we also want to hike to see the sequoias (Big Stump Area and Grand Grove) before tackling the King Canyon Scenic Byway, the timing’s going to be tight. How far do you recommend going before turning back to miss as few points of interest as possible on the King Canyon Scenic Byway? Thanks for your advice, and have a great evening!
Marcalamar 🙂
Hi everyone!
After years of hoping, waiting, planning, then changing, saving, and searching for the best possible route... we're FINALLY off this summer for a 5-week road trip in the West.
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
Hello.
I’d like to travel along I-15N from San Diego to Las Vegas with my mom, who’s 67. We’ve explored Northern California and the California Coast over the past two years and now want to continue through the desert.
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
Hi there,
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Hi there,
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here's a tip for future visitors!
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
Hi everyone,
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
Merci de me conseiller pour la réservation pour la plus belle vue faut il réserver une chambre dans l'hôtel ou choisir une cabane ?
Prendre le petit déjeuner ou pas ?
Que pensez vous du restaurant ?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
Hello,
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
Hi everyone.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!
Hi VF community,
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip through the American national parks starting from Denver in June 2026.
The price of the pass is jumping from 80 € to 250 € on January 1st, 2026!!!
Is it possible to buy the pass online before the end of the year to lock in the 80 € rate? If so, where and how do I go about it?
Thanks for your tips.
Arnale
Hi there,
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hey everyone!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
Hello,
I’m currently looking for well-located hotels near points of interest in the cities below. I’ve found a few, but the prices are really high. Could any of you share some great addresses in the following cities? - Los Angeles - Las Vegas - San Francisco
Also, do you have a preferred airline for domestic flights? If so, which one?
Thanks so much, and have a great day, everyone!
Gertjan
I’m currently looking for well-located hotels near points of interest in the cities below. I’ve found a few, but the prices are really high. Could any of you share some great addresses in the following cities? - Los Angeles - Las Vegas - San Francisco
Also, do you have a preferred airline for domestic flights? If so, which one?
Thanks so much, and have a great day, everyone!
Gertjan





