Pai entre Chiang Mai et Mae Hong Song (Thaïlande)
by Michelthoum
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Je pense me rendre prochainement pour qques jours dans la ville de PAI-entre Chiang Mai et Mae Hong Song
J'ai lu qqpart que c'etait " babacool "
Qqun a t il des infos a ce sujet ?toutes autres infos bienvenues
Michel / Thailande
babacool, cà veut dire quoi ?
moi je trouve le coin plutôt sympa et tranquille quoi qu'on en dise, faut pas chercher ce qui était il y a quelques années en arrière;
en plus les alentours sont trés sympa surtout si tu loue une moto u même un vélo
moi je trouve le coin plutôt sympa et tranquille quoi qu'on en dise, faut pas chercher ce qui était il y a quelques années en arrière;
en plus les alentours sont trés sympa surtout si tu loue une moto u même un vélo
" Ils ne savaient pas que c'était impossible, alors ils l'ont fait. "
tu n'était pas né quant ce mot était utiliser, , , , , , , , 😉
les babas-cool ont toujours eut un grand goût pour le choix de l'environnement (, ibiza katmandou samui goa la gommera ) mais ....... ils n'avaient aucune notion du respect du coin, au résultat, ils polluent peut être plus que le tourisme de masse,
les babas-cool ont toujours eut un grand goût pour le choix de l'environnement (, ibiza katmandou samui goa la gommera ) mais ....... ils n'avaient aucune notion du respect du coin, au résultat, ils polluent peut être plus que le tourisme de masse,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Je pense me rendre prochainement pour qques jours dans la ville de PAI-entre Chiang Mai et Mae Hong Song
J'ai lu qqpart que c'etait " babacool "
Qqun a t il des infos a ce sujet ?toutes autres infos bienvenues
Salut,
Regarde cet article paru dans le gavroche en mars 2008, pas si babacool que ça . 🤪🤪
Salut,
Regarde cet article paru dans le gavroche en mars 2008, pas si babacool que ça . 🤪🤪

@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Ref l'article du Gavroche. Ben si vous avalez toutes les conneries qui sont ecrites dans la presse, ou ds les guides de voyages, vous avez pas fini! C'est comme si vs ecoutez les andouilles qui se se font rouler au Vietnam et qui essaient de vs persuader que le pays est bourre de voleurs! De la drogue, y'en a partout, helas, meme au fin fond du Nord Vietnam d'ou je reviens; Mais il y a un mode entre le crack addict pret a n'importe quoi pour une dose et les fumeurs de pot de Pai. Allons, allons, pai est super sympa, decontracte, eh oui, cool! et allez-y avant que l'horrible tourisme de masse debarque. J'ai eu l'impression de me retrouver a Woodstock dans les annees 60-70.
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Woodstock dans les annees 60-70. !!!!!!
tu froles les 70 balais ! ! ! !🏴☠️
🤪 bien conservé pour ton âge !
tu froles les 70 balais ! ! ! !🏴☠️
🤪 bien conservé pour ton âge !
Je suis chauve
et je souris !
Daniel
"Les annees 60", ca va de 1960 a 1969 donc on peut tres bien avoir connu Woddstck et avoir moins de 60 ans! En plus, on a pas que l'age de ses os, on a l'age de sa cervelle aussi. Je prends n'importe lequel d'entre vs sur une piste de danse ou de ski, et ve serez fatigue avant moi. J'en ai eu encore la preuve a Sapa, ou des gamins moitie mon age ont traine derriere moi pendant 3 jours (et je marchais pieds nus!).
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
ça va, on a compris tu y as été en pousette,
avec une baby sister nordique !
les yeux grands ouverts sur un monde tout neuf
ciao 😏
avec une baby sister nordique !
les yeux grands ouverts sur un monde tout neuf
ciao 😏
Je suis chauve
et je souris !
Daniel
J'ai eu l'impression de me retrouver a Woodstock dans les annees 60-70.
on en reviens a la question du départ 😉, , c'est quoi baba cool ?
je suis un très grand méfiant du Gavroche 🤪, déjà il n'est pas considérée comme un organe de presse, ( trop d'infos pas verifier, et ils ont l'art de retravailler des articles déjà paru, 🤪 ) pas mal de monde le considère comme un fanzine qui se prend au sérieux, a prendre avec des pincettes .............,
on en reviens a la question du départ 😉, , c'est quoi baba cool ?
je suis un très grand méfiant du Gavroche 🤪, déjà il n'est pas considérée comme un organe de presse, ( trop d'infos pas verifier, et ils ont l'art de retravailler des articles déjà paru, 🤪 ) pas mal de monde le considère comme un fanzine qui se prend au sérieux, a prendre avec des pincettes .............,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Salut Jean Thuan,
Pour ma part, je connais Paï depuis juin 2001, et bien, Paï à vraiment viré au vinaigre 😕
En 2001, Paï était surtout fréquenté par les baba-cool ou trekkeurs qui veulent visiter les tribus montagnardes 🙂 il faut dire que le mois de juin est humide en Thaïlande, peu de touristes.
Il y a 7 ans, à Paï, il y avait trés peu de bar, les rares bar fermaient assez tôt, les locaux et les farangs chantaient et jouaient de la guitare ensemble, ambiance bonne-enfant. Aprés minuit les rues étaient déserte sauf les chats qui bossaient.
J'étais venus avec mon cousin damien qui est expat à singapour depuis 8 ans et un ami de Grenoble.
On avaient fait un super trekking dans la jungle grâce à notre guide Miss Rung.
Super souvenirs.
Deux ans plus tard, je retournes à Paï en tournant les manivelles d'un vélocipéde, je retrouve Miss Rung avec plaisir. Le petit village à beaucoup changé: beaucoup plus de GH.
Trois ans plus tard (origine 2001) j'y retourne plusieurs fois toujours à vélo, et Paï c'est métamorphosé, en haute saison toutes les Gh, hôtels sont pleins à craquer, les internet café ont poussés comme des champignons ainsi que les bar limite "glauque"pointent le nez de leur décadence.
je retrouve Miss Rung qui à arrêter d'accompagner des trekkeurs dans la jungle pour plusieurs raisons: Le gouvernement Thaï taxe les guides de plus en plus. Beaucoup de trekkeur s'arrêtent dans des villages pour fûmer de l'opium, certains d'entre eux sont à la limite de clapser 😮 ce genre de situation est inacceptable pour le guide.
Maintenant, elle préfére créer des bijoux fantaisies, tricoter des bonnets en laine pour les touristes de passages, moins de risque avec les autoritées.
De plus, elle me dis que depuis pas trés longtemps, des jeunes filles venu des tribus vendent leur corps dans les bars de Paï.
Paï est si superficielle maintenant: Pattaya à la montagne 🏴☠️
Quatre ans plus tard, je remonte à Paï pour me rendre à Mae-Hong-Son. Un Seven-Eleven à fait sont apparition, pleins de banques ont poussée un vrai luna-park.
En parlant avec Miss Rung et d'autres autochtones que je connais depuis 2001, Paï
subit un "wind of change": Les farang vendent leur resto-GH.... aux Thaï, beaucoup de touristes Thaï en grosse majoritée de Bangkok viennent passer leur week-end à Paï, ces derniers négocient les vêtements brodés, sac à mains.....le plus bas possible dans un ton trés arrogants, pauvre montagnards.
On ne désire pas ce qu'on ne connaît pas.
On écrit pour raconter, non pour prouver.
http://velo-thailand.over-blog.com/
http://velo-thailand.over-blog.com/
, Paï à vraiment viré au vinaigre 😕 je partage ton avis, , , , , , , ,
le problème est hélas de ne pas divulguer un bon coin comme on la fait il y a quelques années, , ,
sa reviens a ce que je disait au début, , les babacools, , et bien c'est pas mieux, si non pire que le tourisme de masse,
Que cherche le baba ?? bien seulement son bien être, son soit disant espace de liberté, mais toujours centrée sur lui même, tout pour notre communauté ou style de vie et exploiter l'environnement,
Que cherche le baba ?? bien seulement son bien être, son soit disant espace de liberté, mais toujours centrée sur lui même, tout pour notre communauté ou style de vie et exploiter l'environnement,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Et si le mieux c'etait d'aller se rendre compte par soi même.... car on voit bien a travers toutes ces reponses que les avis divergent meme si chacun s'accorde a dire que Pai a changer, mais çà c'est une evidence, toute la thailande a changer.
on voit bien comme il est difficile de faire des generalites !!!
pour garder de bons souvenirs de Pai .....😉

c'etait il n'y a pas si longtemps....
grosses gouttes au rendez-vous....😛

Vue presque generale de la plaine dans laquelle se situe Pai...
et puis un jour la decision de construire un petit aeroport arriva......🙁🙁🙁
pour garder de bons souvenirs de Pai .....😉

c'etait il n'y a pas si longtemps....
grosses gouttes au rendez-vous....😛

Vue presque generale de la plaine dans laquelle se situe Pai...
et puis un jour la decision de construire un petit aeroport arriva......🙁🙁🙁Il est important de percevoir combien votre propre bonheur est lié à celui des autres, il n'existe pas de bonheur individuel totalement indépendant d'autrui.....(Dalaï-Lama)
Le tourisme de masse à déjà débarqué à Pai, mais c'est vrai que l'endroit n'en reste pas moins très tranquile pendant une bonne partie de l'année... et quand je dis tourisme de masse c'est un peu fort parcequ'en fait il y a beaucoup moins de monde que dans les îles, par exemple... c'est juste que le touriste lambda de Pai à beaucoup changé, au même titre que le fumeur de joint lambda à beaucoup changé lui aussi..... Mais bon, ce serait réducteur de n'envisager Pai et ses environs que comme ça, le coin est magnifique!!! Je conseillerais d'ailleurs de louer une VRAI moto à Chiang Mai (par exemple une Honda Four ou un custom chez Jaguar location, du côté intèrieur du canal près de Tapae Gate...). La ballade pour aller à Pai est géniale, et tout le coin offre des super itinéraires pour motards avides de beaux parcours et de paysages splendides!!
Bobby
Il a raison, Thailaurent, mais il faut tout de meme savoir que CM-Pai, c'est 120km de petite route sans une ligne droite. Pas pour les motards amateurs!
CONCLUSION : Ecoutez pas les critiqueurs et ALLEZ-Y, c'est encore un endroit de Thailande qui n'est pas betonne et qui est tres sympa
CONCLUSION : Ecoutez pas les critiqueurs et ALLEZ-Y, c'est encore un endroit de Thailande qui n'est pas betonne et qui est tres sympa
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Ecoutez pas les critiqueurs
ce ne sont pas des critiques mais des questions, et interrogations, ........et des point de vue, 😉😉
le mieux est louer une moto et faire un bon tour, , si pai ne conviens pas, il suffit de démarrer l'engin et aller voir ailleurs, , Il y a encore un tas de villages sympa, et accueillants, ( ce qui fut mon cas ...........😉)
le mieux est louer une moto et faire un bon tour, , si pai ne conviens pas, il suffit de démarrer l'engin et aller voir ailleurs, , Il y a encore un tas de villages sympa, et accueillants, ( ce qui fut mon cas ...........😉)
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Il a raison, Thailaurent, mais il faut tout de meme savoir que CM-Pai, c'est 120km de petite route sans une ligne droite. Pas pour les motards amateurs!
Hello,
Hein, 120km de routes sinueuses, magnifique !
Si quelqu'un est partant pour le faire en février ou mars 09, je suis partant (bon, en super four sinon rien :-))
Merci pour l'info, ca me donne une raison d'aller à Chiang Mai 😛
Bonne journée, chok dee krap
Hello,
Hein, 120km de routes sinueuses, magnifique !
Si quelqu'un est partant pour le faire en février ou mars 09, je suis partant (bon, en super four sinon rien :-))
Merci pour l'info, ca me donne une raison d'aller à Chiang Mai 😛
Bonne journée, chok dee krap
Il voulait lui donner des fleurs, mais comme il n'y a pas de fleurs sur l'île, il lui a donné l'argent des fleurs
Tu as raison Thuan,
On est en droit de se poser des questions et de raconter l'évolution de ce petit village. Si vous en avez marre des touristes irrespectueux qui boivent de l'alcool comme des trous, des gros sales bedonnant qui ne pense qu'au "maeouu" des filles et bien allez à Phang Ma Paa (Soppong) ou allez à Mae-Hong-Son.
Les alentours de Paï sont magnifiques, j'adore y faire du vélo, les autochtones sont très sympa.
Sur mon blog, j'ai pas mal de photos de Paï et de ses environs.
On ne désire pas ce qu'on ne connaît pas.
On écrit pour raconter, non pour prouver.
http://velo-thailand.over-blog.com/
http://velo-thailand.over-blog.com/
Merci a tous pour ces infos
Comme je dois y passer de toutes facons...je donnerai mon avis a mon retour(connais la Thld depuis 9 ans, y vit et suis alle pratiquement dans toutes les provinces)
Michel / Thailande
...en super four sinon rien...
J'ai fait ce parcours C.M., Pai, Mae Hong Song, Mae Sariang, C.M., avec un voyageur, et nous avions chacun une Honda dream 100 ! Celà c'est très bien passé, et j'ai trouvé bien déserte la route Mae Hong Song-Mae Sariang ! On peut revenir en passant par le Doi I thanon
J'ai fait ce parcours C.M., Pai, Mae Hong Song, Mae Sariang, C.M., avec un voyageur, et nous avions chacun une Honda dream 100 ! Celà c'est très bien passé, et j'ai trouvé bien déserte la route Mae Hong Song-Mae Sariang ! On peut revenir en passant par le Doi I thanon
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
Et si le mieux c'etait d'aller se rendre compte par soi même.... car on voit bien a travers toutes ces reponses que les avis divergent meme si chacun s'accorde a dire que Pai a changer, mais çà c'est une evidence, toute la thailande a changer.
on voit bien comme il est difficile de faire des generalites !!!
exactement, personnellement à ma premiere soirée à PAI j'ai rencontré au hasard un local nommé chai (ex guide de trekk qui s'est recyclé dans la sculpture pour élever ses enfants) qui au lendemain m'a fait faire un tour des alentours de Pai, moi ma 1ere expérience en motorbike, lui avec ses deux kids sur la sienne (loué aussi).. un de mes meilleurs souvenir du voyage.. inoubliable.
Une escapade d'une journée voir la grotte à Soppong est un excellent plan, la route est comme CM-PAI, rempli de courbes.. et elle ne m'a pas tué à ma 2e journée de motorbike à vie.
L'autre journée je l'ai passé avec des Thaies en visite que j'ai revu quand jai repassé à Bangkok.
J'ai mangé un de mes meilleurs repas aussi :P
J'ai pris la ville de Pai comme elle m'a été présenté... et je l'ai bien apprécié. J'ai p-e eu la chance (ou malchance ?) de ne pas la connaitre avant.. mais bon :P
exactement, personnellement à ma premiere soirée à PAI j'ai rencontré au hasard un local nommé chai (ex guide de trekk qui s'est recyclé dans la sculpture pour élever ses enfants) qui au lendemain m'a fait faire un tour des alentours de Pai, moi ma 1ere expérience en motorbike, lui avec ses deux kids sur la sienne (loué aussi).. un de mes meilleurs souvenir du voyage.. inoubliable.
Une escapade d'une journée voir la grotte à Soppong est un excellent plan, la route est comme CM-PAI, rempli de courbes.. et elle ne m'a pas tué à ma 2e journée de motorbike à vie.
L'autre journée je l'ai passé avec des Thaies en visite que j'ai revu quand jai repassé à Bangkok.
J'ai mangé un de mes meilleurs repas aussi :P
J'ai pris la ville de Pai comme elle m'a été présenté... et je l'ai bien apprécié. J'ai p-e eu la chance (ou malchance ?) de ne pas la connaitre avant.. mais bon :P
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"Traveling is not about what you see, its about who you meet." -Moi
J'ai pris la ville de Pai comme elle m'a été présenté... et je l'ai bien apprécié.
Toute la problématique du voyage est la, on arrive on vois on vit et on juge, parfois sa se passe bien, et on en fait l'apogée, et au contraire si il se passe une mésaventure, bien on dénigre, , , , , , sa c'est pour ceux qui découvrent un endroit pour la première fois, , pour les autres qui sont passé plusieurs fois, il va de soi que ils auront une autre vision de l'endroit, , et le problème est que on aimerais bien que rien ne change, mais sa change, , selon notre jugement en bien ou en mal, ,
pour les motos, je ne conseille pas de grosses moto au dessus des 250, cc la raison est que ses grosses motos sont venu en thailande comme matériel d'occasion de démonter et remonter, elles sont certes belles, mais vraiment pas très secure, en plus, en cas de panne, les petits garagistes du coin ne vont pas y toucher, , du coup il faut attendre le propriétaire, , , , , , , , ma suggestion, est de louer une petite mais presque neuve, ou ses 250 honda made in thailand
Toute la problématique du voyage est la, on arrive on vois on vit et on juge, parfois sa se passe bien, et on en fait l'apogée, et au contraire si il se passe une mésaventure, bien on dénigre, , , , , , sa c'est pour ceux qui découvrent un endroit pour la première fois, , pour les autres qui sont passé plusieurs fois, il va de soi que ils auront une autre vision de l'endroit, , et le problème est que on aimerais bien que rien ne change, mais sa change, , selon notre jugement en bien ou en mal, ,
pour les motos, je ne conseille pas de grosses moto au dessus des 250, cc la raison est que ses grosses motos sont venu en thailande comme matériel d'occasion de démonter et remonter, elles sont certes belles, mais vraiment pas très secure, en plus, en cas de panne, les petits garagistes du coin ne vont pas y toucher, , du coup il faut attendre le propriétaire, , , , , , , , ma suggestion, est de louer une petite mais presque neuve, ou ses 250 honda made in thailand

« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Comme promis, je donne mon avis-cela n'engage que moi et ne veux pas engager de polemiques-sur Pai
J'y suis arrive a 16h30, impression de me trouver a Kosan Rd...reparti le lendemain a midi apres avoir gravi les marches qui menent au WatPhra That Mae Yen pour aller voir ailleurs
Michel / Thailande
Et c'est vraiment une jolie route .... désolée moi j'y vais en juillet 2009 sinon j'embarquais.... si jamais un petit trek tente qqun
Si je peux me permettre..... je connais personnellement un français qui est établi à Pai ... il a été le premier français à faire du rafting sur la rivière Pai il y a de cela 20 ans. Il vient à tous les ans en France pour racheter du matériel neuf pour la sécurité des clients, ce qui n'est pas le cas de tout le monde...
Bref, voilà pour le contexte... il propose aussi des treks dans la région
http://www.thairafting.com
Et pour le contacter directement en lui envoyant un mail thairafting@gmail.com (Guy Gorias)
Pour les intéresser écrivez lui en disant que c'est Nathalie la canadienne qui habite en Suisse et qui a un apart à Hua Hin qui a donné l'adresse et vous serez aux petits oignons.
Il est vrai qu'il y a beaucoup d'agence qui proposent des treks mais on ne sait jamais sur quoi on tombe... Avec Guy vous serez entre bonnes mains et c'est un mec vraiment gentil, adorable et surtout très humain....
Et si ça ne vous intéresse pas pour cette fois, peut etre une autre fois.... donc adresse à garder précieusement
nathalie
Si je peux me permettre..... je connais personnellement un français qui est établi à Pai ... il a été le premier français à faire du rafting sur la rivière Pai il y a de cela 20 ans. Il vient à tous les ans en France pour racheter du matériel neuf pour la sécurité des clients, ce qui n'est pas le cas de tout le monde...
Bref, voilà pour le contexte... il propose aussi des treks dans la région
http://www.thairafting.com
Et pour le contacter directement en lui envoyant un mail thairafting@gmail.com (Guy Gorias)
Pour les intéresser écrivez lui en disant que c'est Nathalie la canadienne qui habite en Suisse et qui a un apart à Hua Hin qui a donné l'adresse et vous serez aux petits oignons.
Il est vrai qu'il y a beaucoup d'agence qui proposent des treks mais on ne sait jamais sur quoi on tombe... Avec Guy vous serez entre bonnes mains et c'est un mec vraiment gentil, adorable et surtout très humain....
Et si ça ne vous intéresse pas pour cette fois, peut etre une autre fois.... donc adresse à garder précieusement
nathalie
Ton christ est juif, ta pizza est italienne, ton café est brésilien, ta voiture est japonaise, ton écriture est latine, tes vacances sont turques, tes chiffres sont arabes et... tu reproches à ton voisin d'être étranger !
Bonjour et bonne année!!!!!
est ce que vous pourriez me dire quel est le transport le plus rapide dans la catégorie la moins polluante pour aller de Chiang Mai à Pai en sachant que l'on revient sur Chiang Mai 2 ou 3 jours plus tard.....
Merci beaucoup
jill
dans l'ordre.. le velo, la moto et le bus....😉
Il est important de percevoir combien votre propre bonheur est lié à celui des autres, il n'existe pas de bonheur individuel totalement indépendant d'autrui.....(Dalaï-Lama)
oui merci en fait j'ai oublié le plus important c'est à dire le temps de trajet qui est propre à chaque moyen
merci
jill
ah bon, soppong est devenu comme çà, eh ben, en 2004 c'était encore bien pittoresque
j'ai encore en mémoire la voix du moine qui chantait la vie du mort dans son micro, le goût des petites chenilles grillées, les toits des masions faits de feuilles ...
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Bonjour
Apres 1 nuit à Khao Sok je souhaite trouver un package 2 Jours 1 nuit sur le lac.
Après avoir beaucoup lu, je décide de "casser la tirelire" et nous offrir un tour Privé surtout pour éviter les bains de foule.
Mais en contactant plusieurs opérators, on me propose des "private tours" très chers (env 700 €) mais dans les détails les bateaux ne peuvent que partir de l'embarcadère à 10h du mat comme tous les autres. (Moi j'espérais partir très tôt). Le programme du matin est le même pour tt le monde aussi (privé ou non). On nous dépose à Midi à notre hotel flottant (j'avais choisi le Phupha waree). Après midi libre (baignade ou kayak devant l'hotel. On resort en bateau pour le coucher de soleil 1h. Et le matin on quitte l'hotel à 8h pour être à l'embarcadere à 9h30 max FIN du voyage
Donc en fait on paye cher un Private tour pour faire la mm chose que tt le monde et en mm temps.
Ou alors je suis mal tombé dans mes recherches. J'ai contacté Panida Ladi très populaire sur les forums . On s'était mis d'accord sur un circuit privé qui collait a ma demande (départ de l'embarcadere à 8h00....., circuit très personalisé). On s'est mis d'accord sur le circuit et le prix, m'a demandé un virement par wise pour un acompte de 30%, a confirmé la réception de l'acompte . Puis 30mn plus tard m'a envoyé un message pour me dire qu'elle annulait tout car il lui était impossible de faire le tour demandé, et m'a promis le remboursement rapide de mon acompte.
J'en viens donc à ma demande : Qui a fait un vrai tour privé sur ce lac ? Qui peut me conseiller une agence sérieuse ? Est il vraiment possible de faire un tour privé en fait sur ce lac....
Merci PS Mon projet est pour novembre
Donc en fait on paye cher un Private tour pour faire la mm chose que tt le monde et en mm temps.
Ou alors je suis mal tombé dans mes recherches. J'ai contacté Panida Ladi très populaire sur les forums . On s'était mis d'accord sur un circuit privé qui collait a ma demande (départ de l'embarcadere à 8h00....., circuit très personalisé). On s'est mis d'accord sur le circuit et le prix, m'a demandé un virement par wise pour un acompte de 30%, a confirmé la réception de l'acompte . Puis 30mn plus tard m'a envoyé un message pour me dire qu'elle annulait tout car il lui était impossible de faire le tour demandé, et m'a promis le remboursement rapide de mon acompte.
J'en viens donc à ma demande : Qui a fait un vrai tour privé sur ce lac ? Qui peut me conseiller une agence sérieuse ? Est il vraiment possible de faire un tour privé en fait sur ce lac....
Merci PS Mon projet est pour novembre
Hi,
I wanted to get some info about the cable car and the bridge—I see lots of different options...
How much time should we allow for these two activities? If we arrive around 4 PM, will we have enough time to visit without rushing?
Thanks
Hi everyone, I’m back on the forum.
I’m searching for a real gem for my 3rd stay in Koh Lanta: a lovely, high-quality hotel right by an easily accessible beach in a lively spot. If you know of anything that fits what I’m looking for and want to share, don’t hesitate!
Thanks so much!
Marsyork
I’m searching for a real gem for my 3rd stay in Koh Lanta: a lovely, high-quality hotel right by an easily accessible beach in a lively spot. If you know of anything that fits what I’m looking for and want to share, don’t hesitate!
Thanks so much!
Marsyork
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi! I’d like to split my trip into two parts: 15 days in Phuket and 15 days in Krabi. Do you know if I can rent a car and drop it off in Krabi when I fly back to France?
Thanks for your feedback!
Have a great Sunday!
Martine
Hi, is anyone there in Flores right now? According to some websites, everything is closed and the situation is tough. But our guide says it's fine. Who should we believe? We're supposed to leave on September 2nd. Thanks to anyone in Flores at the moment!
Hi dear community,
I'm planning to visit Cambodia this winter, right after Christmas, for my first solo trip and my first trip to Asia. For two weeks (yes, I know it's short, but I really can't do more...). I have two main desires: Siem Reap and the countryside, the villages, the Mekong...
What do you think of this itinerary? Arrival in Siem Reap, departure from Phnom Penh.
SR: 5 days (1 day for arrival, 3 for the temples, 1 for the lake and its villages)
Kratie (stop on the way to Mondolkiri): 3 days (1 day of travel, 2 days there)
Mondolkiri/Sen Monorom: 4 days (1 day of travel, 1 day there, 2 days of treks)
PP: 3 days (1 day of travel, 2 days of sightseeing)
I think I need to cut one day somewhere if I travel from Saturday to Saturday or Sunday to Sunday. In Kratie, maybe? Or in PP? And I'll miss the boat trip that everyone recommends (SR-Battambang), but I don't see where to fit it in. Unless I do a PP-PP loop starting in the east, skip Kratie or just stay one night, then SR, then PP.
In my timing, Mondolkiri seems closer than Ratanakiri, which also tempted me a lot! Will it be too complicated alone? I'm thinking of using local guides or a small local agency for a nature and village getaway.
I've read that Siem Reap is very crowded between Christmas and New Year's. I could also do the circuit in the opposite direction. But I thought it would be easier to get familiar with the country by arriving in a touristy area—I might be wrong...
Thanks for your advice and opinions!
Hello,
I’m planning a trip to Laos in early 2027. Does anyone know the dates for the Vat Phou festival in Champasak? Thanks!
I’m planning a trip to Laos in early 2027. Does anyone know the dates for the Vat Phou festival in Champasak? Thanks!
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.
Hi everyone.
I’m planning my trip, and based on all the posts I’ve read, this country is amazing.
Of course, I’ve got a ton of questions for you.
Here’s a possible itinerary: Vientiane - Vang Vieng - Phonsavan - Sam Neua - Nong Khiaw + villages - Phongsali - Luang Namtha and the area - Udomxai - Huay Xai - Luang Prabang and back to Vientiane.
What do you think?
We’re planning to prioritize local transport—is it possible to do this loop?
We’d also love to go kayaking, but I’m not sure if the season’s right or where the best spot is.
For trekking—I read that Phongsali is the most authentic spot to visit villages and see wildlife. Do you know of a reliable agency and a guesthouse with reasonable prices? Is it worth taking a slow boat for a stretch on the Mekong, and if so, which route?
For accommodations, is it better to book through Booking.com and Agoda or look when we arrive?
Are mosquitoes bad in Laos, and should we take malaria prophylaxis? What’s the average daily budget (accommodation, food, visits)?
Is renting scooters a good option for exploring towns, and if so, which ones?
From what I’ve read, it’s best to carry cash—euros or dollars? Is it risky to walk around with that much cash?
I’ve still got tons of questions. Thanks to anyone who can help, and I’m open to all tips, info, etc. Thanks again
For trekking—I read that Phongsali is the most authentic spot to visit villages and see wildlife. Do you know of a reliable agency and a guesthouse with reasonable prices? Is it worth taking a slow boat for a stretch on the Mekong, and if so, which route?
For accommodations, is it better to book through Booking.com and Agoda or look when we arrive?
Are mosquitoes bad in Laos, and should we take malaria prophylaxis? What’s the average daily budget (accommodation, food, visits)?
Is renting scooters a good option for exploring towns, and if so, which ones?
From what I’ve read, it’s best to carry cash—euros or dollars? Is it risky to walk around with that much cash?
I’ve still got tons of questions. Thanks to anyone who can help, and I’m open to all tips, info, etc. Thanks again
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Vietnam in February, specifically Da Nang and Hoi An.
Does anyone know a French-speaking guide in the area?
Thanks for your help
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hello,
We’re a family of four with two teens aged 16 and 18. We’re heading to Thailand this summer. We’ll arrive in Bangkok and plan to take a flight to Luang Prabang.
I’ve seen there are some great visits and excursions to do (temples, markets, waterfalls) and maybe even venture a bit north to places like Nong Khiaw, Muang Xay, Muang Ngoy, or Oudom Xay.
But I’ve also heard about the Bokeo region with the Gibbon Experience.
Since we won’t be able to do everything, I’d love to hear about your experiences, impressions, and advice on the two options I’m considering, especially since we’ll be meeting family in Chiang Mai, Thailand, afterward.
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it? Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like? We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
Thanks for your feedback! Best regards, Aurélien
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it? Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like? We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
Thanks for your feedback! Best regards, Aurélien
I’m starting a discussion about guides in the Mekong Delta because we’ve just finished our trip in this region and had a hard time finding a French-speaking guide. We had Thanh—she speaks French really well and travels all over the delta region, including Ho Chi Minh City. She’s super friendly and flexible. I recommend her wholeheartedly. If it can help someone...
Feel free to contact us for her number.
Hi everyone,
I couldn’t find any recent info on Kuching.
Can anyone recommend a hotel or guesthouse for under 100 RM that’s nice and affordable? No dorms, please.
Also, does it rain a lot in November, and is it still worth visiting Semenggoh or Bako?
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hey everyone,
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Hi everyone,
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
Thanks
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
Thanks
Hi,
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days. I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome! I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Thanks
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days. I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome! I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Thanks
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Time to hit the road again!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Hello,
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.