Pattaya ou Koh Samui?
by Calagan
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour.pour un séjour de 14 nuits en Thailande , fin mai 2013 , on hesite pour notre destination , entre Pattaya 8 nuits, ou l'ile de Kho Samui 8 nuits .Quel est la meilleure option, pour nous..(couple retraités 71 et 72 ans)
14 nuits en Thailande
Par pure curiosité, j'aimerais vraiment savoir ce qui vous fait hésiter... Avez-vous consulté un tant soit peu des guides papiers, le forum, VF ou un autre, avant d'"hésiter" ?? Avez-vous gagné un voyage et c'est le choix imposé ?
Ma réponse perso (au vu de vos âges respectifs et du temps à y passer) : Koh Samui sans une demi-seconde d'hésitation.
Mais il y a tant d'autres endroits à choisir pour 14 jours (je préfère compter mes vacances en jours plutôt qu'en nuits, mais c'est un choix 😎)
Par pure curiosité, j'aimerais vraiment savoir ce qui vous fait hésiter... Avez-vous consulté un tant soit peu des guides papiers, le forum, VF ou un autre, avant d'"hésiter" ?? Avez-vous gagné un voyage et c'est le choix imposé ?
Ma réponse perso (au vu de vos âges respectifs et du temps à y passer) : Koh Samui sans une demi-seconde d'hésitation.
Mais il y a tant d'autres endroits à choisir pour 14 jours (je préfère compter mes vacances en jours plutôt qu'en nuits, mais c'est un choix 😎)
bonjour.pour un séjour de 14 nuits en Thailande , fin mai 2013 , on hesite pour notre destination , entre Pattaya 8 nuits, ou l'ile de Kho Samui 8 nuits .Quel est la meilleure option, pour nous..(couple retraités 71 et 72 ans)
Le top Hua-Hin: explications
Le top Hua-Hin: explications
A Pattaya tout sera moins cher. Le choix en hébergement et restaurants de toute nature sera infiniment plus grand. Plus facile d'accès, plus aisé pour se déplacer, plus simple en général, il y a assez à visiter dans la ville et autour pour occuper 15 jours de vacances. Par ailleurs, vous pourrez si vous le souhaitez échanger avec la communauté francophone, assez importante autour des soi Chayapoon, Yamato et Post office.
Deux inconvénients quand même. - L'eau de la plage de Pattaya est cradingue (mais Koh Samui n'est pas au top non plus) nécessitant d'utiliser les transports si on tient à se baigner en mer. - Peu de dépaysement. A Pattaya comme à Jomptien tout est fait pour le touriste occidental et les Thaïs n'habitent plus la ville.
Bonnes vacances.
Deux inconvénients quand même. - L'eau de la plage de Pattaya est cradingue (mais Koh Samui n'est pas au top non plus) nécessitant d'utiliser les transports si on tient à se baigner en mer. - Peu de dépaysement. A Pattaya comme à Jomptien tout est fait pour le touriste occidental et les Thaïs n'habitent plus la ville.
Bonnes vacances.
Il n'y a pas d'ennemi, seulement parfois de bonnes bouffées de haine...
( JR)
14 nuits en Thailande
Par pure curiosité, j'aimerais vraiment savoir ce qui vous fait hésiter... Avez-vous consulté un tant soit peu des guides papiers, le forum, VF ou un autre, avant d'"hésiter" ?? Avez-vous gagné un voyage et c'est le choix imposé ?
Ma réponse perso (au vu de vos âges respectifs et du temps à y passer) : Koh Samui sans une demi-seconde d'hésitation.
Mais il y a tant d'autres endroits à choisir pour 14 jours
+ 1 !! A votre place j'irais a Chiang Mai. Sans etat d'ame !! Pattaya est totalement pourrie et Samui suit le meme chemin... 🤪 PS Quant a la communauté française de Pattaya elle est foncierement pitoyable....
Par pure curiosité, j'aimerais vraiment savoir ce qui vous fait hésiter... Avez-vous consulté un tant soit peu des guides papiers, le forum, VF ou un autre, avant d'"hésiter" ?? Avez-vous gagné un voyage et c'est le choix imposé ?
Ma réponse perso (au vu de vos âges respectifs et du temps à y passer) : Koh Samui sans une demi-seconde d'hésitation.
Mais il y a tant d'autres endroits à choisir pour 14 jours
+ 1 !! A votre place j'irais a Chiang Mai. Sans etat d'ame !! Pattaya est totalement pourrie et Samui suit le meme chemin... 🤪 PS Quant a la communauté française de Pattaya elle est foncierement pitoyable....
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
+ 1 !! A votre place j'irais a Chiang Mai. Sans etat d'ame !! Pattaya est totalement pourrie et Samui suit le meme chemin... 🤪
PS Quant a la communauté française de Pattaya elle est foncierement pitoyable....
Ils sont marrants les adeptes de la pensée unique. Leur jugement binaire ne laisse pas la place à l'hésitation: Bien/ pas bien, et pis c'est tout.
Tes parents ne t'ont pas appris à t'abstenir de juger et à avancer sur chaque chose des avis nuancés ?
"Totalement pourrie". Là faut vraiment développer hein.
"Foncièrement pitoyable". Allez, tous au Goulag tant que tu y es. Il ne te vient pas à l'esprit que cette communauté peut être multiforme et qu'en son sein on puisse rencontrer des personnes de grande qualité au parcours étonnant ?
Tu vois l'ami, pour ma part je déteste le compagnie des plongeurs et des amateurs de sport en général. Le récit de leurs exploits me procure un ennui définitif. Pour autant il ne me viendrait pas à l'idée de les qualifier pitoyables ou pourris.
Ils sont marrants les adeptes de la pensée unique. Leur jugement binaire ne laisse pas la place à l'hésitation: Bien/ pas bien, et pis c'est tout.
Tes parents ne t'ont pas appris à t'abstenir de juger et à avancer sur chaque chose des avis nuancés ?
"Totalement pourrie". Là faut vraiment développer hein.
"Foncièrement pitoyable". Allez, tous au Goulag tant que tu y es. Il ne te vient pas à l'esprit que cette communauté peut être multiforme et qu'en son sein on puisse rencontrer des personnes de grande qualité au parcours étonnant ?
Tu vois l'ami, pour ma part je déteste le compagnie des plongeurs et des amateurs de sport en général. Le récit de leurs exploits me procure un ennui définitif. Pour autant il ne me viendrait pas à l'idée de les qualifier pitoyables ou pourris.
Il n'y a pas d'ennemi, seulement parfois de bonnes bouffées de haine...
( JR)
Aucune plage, mer degueulasse, ca pue et on y retrouve (pour les français) une grosse majorité des traines savattes, de radins impenitents ou d'allocataires du RSA et de beaufs qui se prennent vite pour les rois du village et dont le sport favori est de boire des bières en vérifiant si "le taux de la fille de bar" ne monte pas trop vite... Passionnant. 🤪
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
C'est une caricature. Vrai que ces modèles existent mais en discutant calmement, il est très facile de les éviter.
Par ailleurs ils sont dans tous les lieux d'expatriés et non uniquement à Pattaya. Les plus fauchés vont plutôt à Udon ou Chiang Mai car la vie y est encore moins chère. Quant aux plages, tu serais surpris d'en connaitre sans nuisance ni crasse d'aucune sorte, avec de charmantes allées fleuries pour s'y rendre. Mais là encore, il faut un peu de temps pour les découvrir..
Pour ma part, je ne tiens pas à faire la promotion de cette ville qui n'en a pas besoin. Simplement je connais plusieurs couples d'un age proche des Calagan's, heureux de passer chaque année quelques semaines dans cette ville. Ils ne viennent pas particulièrement pour les temples mais plutôt pour la sécurité, la facilité, les prix bas, la bonne cuisine, le confort et l'accueil chaleureux qu'ils reçoivent partout.
A mon humble avis, ces motivations sont tout aussi respectables que les autres.
Par ailleurs ils sont dans tous les lieux d'expatriés et non uniquement à Pattaya. Les plus fauchés vont plutôt à Udon ou Chiang Mai car la vie y est encore moins chère. Quant aux plages, tu serais surpris d'en connaitre sans nuisance ni crasse d'aucune sorte, avec de charmantes allées fleuries pour s'y rendre. Mais là encore, il faut un peu de temps pour les découvrir..
Pour ma part, je ne tiens pas à faire la promotion de cette ville qui n'en a pas besoin. Simplement je connais plusieurs couples d'un age proche des Calagan's, heureux de passer chaque année quelques semaines dans cette ville. Ils ne viennent pas particulièrement pour les temples mais plutôt pour la sécurité, la facilité, les prix bas, la bonne cuisine, le confort et l'accueil chaleureux qu'ils reçoivent partout.
A mon humble avis, ces motivations sont tout aussi respectables que les autres.
Il n'y a pas d'ennemi, seulement parfois de bonnes bouffées de haine...
( JR)
Parlons d'Udon ou je suis quelques jours pour constater que la population française rencontrée n'a rien a voir avec la faune de Pattaya. Sans compter que le charme d'Udon est lui bien réel comparé a Pattaya qui pour moi n'est plus un revélateur de Thailande.
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
Les plus fauchés vont plutôt à Udon ou Chiang Mai car la vie y est encore moins chère.
Sawadee krap C‘est un point de vue qui se respecte Mais même fauchés ou pas, Tellement riche culturellement et humainement http://voyageurasie-soleillevant.blogspot.com/2013/04/thailande-les-esprits-des-grands-arbres.html 🙂
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=5926958#5926958
😏
Vrai que ces modèles existent mais en discutant calmement, il est très facile de les éviter.
Trés !
😉
Sawadee krap C‘est un point de vue qui se respecte Mais même fauchés ou pas, Tellement riche culturellement et humainement http://voyageurasie-soleillevant.blogspot.com/2013/04/thailande-les-esprits-des-grands-arbres.html 🙂
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=5926958#5926958
😏
Vrai que ces modèles existent mais en discutant calmement, il est très facile de les éviter.
Trés !
😉
C'est à peu près ça.
Cependant, ne pas se contenter des sites les plus touristiques. Il existe aussi des campagnes sympas, des côtes pas trop fréquentées, entre Prachuap Khiri kan et Chumpon. Quelques plages sympas aussi à l'est de Surattani, et la côte sud-est de Krabi. Une ville authentique si l'on évite l'usine à touristes de Ao Nang (à une vingtaine de kilomètres de Krabi) laquelle concentre tout le tourisme voguant vers les Iles paradisiaque, définitivement tuées par leur trop grande beauté. La rançon de la gloire, sans doute.
Voir aussi le Nord, que je ne connais pas assez pour donner des renseignements.
Cependant, ne pas se contenter des sites les plus touristiques. Il existe aussi des campagnes sympas, des côtes pas trop fréquentées, entre Prachuap Khiri kan et Chumpon. Quelques plages sympas aussi à l'est de Surattani, et la côte sud-est de Krabi. Une ville authentique si l'on évite l'usine à touristes de Ao Nang (à une vingtaine de kilomètres de Krabi) laquelle concentre tout le tourisme voguant vers les Iles paradisiaque, définitivement tuées par leur trop grande beauté. La rançon de la gloire, sans doute.
Voir aussi le Nord, que je ne connais pas assez pour donner des renseignements.
bonjour
à votre place je regarderais bien la météo et me déplacerais en fonction de celle-ci.
Fin mai peut être assez humide
à votre place je regarderais bien la météo et me déplacerais en fonction de celle-ci.
Fin mai peut être assez humide
In the world there are no foreigners, only friends
Parlons d'Udon ou je suis quelques jours pour constater que la population française rencontrée n'a rien a voir avec la faune de Pattaya. Sans compter que le charme d'Udon est lui bien réel comparé a Pattaya qui pour moi n'est plus un revélateur de Thailande.
Le charme d'Udon, mort de rire. Une ville interminable où il n'y a rien, mais rien du tout, pas de montagne, pas de mer pas de rivière, pas de lac, pas de jungle, rien. Des rues sans fin pleines de mukatas merdiques où la seule vue de la bidoche suintante te donne envie d'aller gerber... c'est simple, face à l'offre culinaire de cette ville j'ai préféré dîner au Mac Do t'as qu'à voir.
La communauté Francophone est constituée essentiellement de retraités avec leurs jeunes épouses. Tu parles que ça change de Pattaya, lol ! Le plus connu se prénomme Alain, un mec sympa qui a son propre forum et que j'ai rencontré. On devait visiter des jardins alentour mais la soirée merdique de la veille m'a fait renoncer. J'ai préféré prendre rapidement la route du sud sans demander mon reste.
Franchement l'ami, j'ai l'impression que tu racontes n'importe quoi pour avoir le dernier mot. Si tu veux envoyer les gens en villégiature à Udon, ouvre un thread et prend tes responsabilités. Ici la question est posée sur Pattaya ou Koh Samui ça semble assez clair.
Le charme d'Udon, mort de rire. Une ville interminable où il n'y a rien, mais rien du tout, pas de montagne, pas de mer pas de rivière, pas de lac, pas de jungle, rien. Des rues sans fin pleines de mukatas merdiques où la seule vue de la bidoche suintante te donne envie d'aller gerber... c'est simple, face à l'offre culinaire de cette ville j'ai préféré dîner au Mac Do t'as qu'à voir.
La communauté Francophone est constituée essentiellement de retraités avec leurs jeunes épouses. Tu parles que ça change de Pattaya, lol ! Le plus connu se prénomme Alain, un mec sympa qui a son propre forum et que j'ai rencontré. On devait visiter des jardins alentour mais la soirée merdique de la veille m'a fait renoncer. J'ai préféré prendre rapidement la route du sud sans demander mon reste.
Franchement l'ami, j'ai l'impression que tu racontes n'importe quoi pour avoir le dernier mot. Si tu veux envoyer les gens en villégiature à Udon, ouvre un thread et prend tes responsabilités. Ici la question est posée sur Pattaya ou Koh Samui ça semble assez clair.
Il n'y a pas d'ennemi, seulement parfois de bonnes bouffées de haine...
( JR)
je me trompe peut etre mais je crois que ces chers retraités marseillais cherchent plutôt une ville en bord de mer
il semble que certains sur ce forums ont un probleme avec les voyageurs au budget modeste.
c'est quoi le probleme, la jalousie?
Au final ces voyageurs avec des petits moyens sont bien plus au contact des locaux car ils mangent dans les gargottes et non dans les pizzerias tenus par des farangs et servant que des farangs! ils utilisent les transports locaux propicent aux echanges et non les betailleres a touristes qui vous transportent des guettos a touristes comme khao san vers un autre comme koh tao
Finalement les riches touristes se rejouissent des courbettes et des sourires qu'on leur adressent pendant leurs vacances mais ne se rendent meme pas compte que ce n'est qu'a leur portefeuile que l'on vise!
je suppose que cette réflexion ne me visait pas ? 😄
je dis ca car c'est mon pseudo qui apparait en haut de ta réponse 😐
je dis ca car c'est mon pseudo qui apparait en haut de ta réponse 😐
J'adore les derniers messages :)
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bon aller, on va deja attendre que ce couple nous fasse part de ses attentes pour mieux les aviser
bon aller, on va deja attendre que ce couple nous fasse part de ses attentes pour mieux les aviser
Ko Samui plus chère mais beaucoup plus agréable et surtout tellement plus dépaysante que l'immonde Pattaya , station balnéaire préférée de de la Villardière (des putes , des putes et encore des putes ....C'est son vocabulaire de base désolé )
Pattaya a fait fortune sur le tourisme sexuel et exploite à fond ce filon jusque la nausée .
Avec Hisséo , grand défendeur de Pattaya , j'adore son ouverture d'esprit (il reproche souvent aux autres d’être sectaire ):il déteste les vieux et les gosses (Hua Hin) déteste les plongeurs et les sportifs, les féministes ....Pattaya n'a rien de transcendant et donne l'impression d’être dans un bien mauvais film avec un décor pourri et une faune très souvent glauque .
thierry3468
Chaud !!
oui attendons
car pour le moment ils sont partis en courant avec des furies comme vous
apparemment c'est un voyage organisé avec le choix pour la fin du séjour
donc hotel piscine repos apres une semaine de visite bkk + boucle
donc c'est same same, ,samui ou pattaya à cette pèriode no problème
en esperant qu'ils n'aient pas tout annulé
par contre il faudrait donner quelques tranquilisants à certains ...
pas de rouge pour les taureaux, pas de P--A pour vous
JE NE PRONONCE PLUS LE MOT ILS DEVIENNENT FOUS
LOL SAWASDEE PI MAI A TOUS
LOL SAWASDEE PI MAI A TOUS
Sawadee krap Caroline
par contre il faudrait donner quelques tranquilisants à certains ... pas de rouge pour les taureaux, pas de P--A pour vous JE NE PRONONCE PLUS LE MOT ILS DEVIENNENT FOUS
Avec un peu de logique, il suffit de lire : Les textes de Guido Franco (en 1990 déjà) Pattaya singularité honorable Le concentré de faits divers comiques, tragiques et pathétiques, au jour le jour ICI Cela fait beaucoup de fous.
Maintenant si c’est pour rester dans le ghetto hôtel/piscine/tour operator, je dis OK
SAWASDEE PI MAI A TOUS
Sawadee pimaï a toi aussi. 🙂
par contre il faudrait donner quelques tranquilisants à certains ... pas de rouge pour les taureaux, pas de P--A pour vous JE NE PRONONCE PLUS LE MOT ILS DEVIENNENT FOUS
Avec un peu de logique, il suffit de lire : Les textes de Guido Franco (en 1990 déjà) Pattaya singularité honorable Le concentré de faits divers comiques, tragiques et pathétiques, au jour le jour ICI Cela fait beaucoup de fous.
Maintenant si c’est pour rester dans le ghetto hôtel/piscine/tour operator, je dis OK
SAWASDEE PI MAI A TOUS
Sawadee pimaï a toi aussi. 🙂
Ko Samui plus chère mais beaucoup plus agréable et surtout tellement plus dépaysante que l'immonde Pattaya ,
Pattaya a fait fortune sur le tourisme sexuel et exploite à fond ce filon jusque la nausée .
Avec Hisséo , grand défendeur de Pattaya , j'adore son ouverture d'esprit (il reproche souvent aux autres d’être sectaire ): et les gosses (Hua Hin) déteste les plongeurs et les sportifs, les féministes ....Pattaya n'a rien de transcendant et donne l'impression d’être dans un bien mauvais film avec un décor pourri et une faune très souvent glauque .
Vraiment n'importe quoi. Le sujet porte sur un choix de cité balnéaire et non sur ma personne. Mais comme tu m'attaques, je suis bien forcé de répondre en te mettant le nez dans ton caca l'ami.
il déteste les vieux, les gosses, les plongeurs, les sportifs, les féministes...
Je déteste les clans, les chapelles et le regroupement par genre. Je recherche pour mes loisirs et la vie en général une société multiforme où des personnes d'origine et de statut différent prennent plaisir échanger librement. C'est grave docteur ?
L'immonde Pattaya
Tu as le droit d'avoir cet avis l'ami. En ce moment avec Songkran, la ville est tellement envahie de touristes qu'il est difficile d'y faire ses achats. Les Thaïs de Bangkok notamment s'y pressent en masse. Tous des masos surement. Rappelons que Pattaya est de loin la cité balnéaire la plus fréquentée de Thaïlande par un tourisme essentiellement familial et que seuls certains francophones bêtement influencés par un vieux commentaire polémique du GDR poussent des cris d'orfraie à la seule évocation de son nom.
station balnéaire préférée de de la Villardière (des putes , des putes et encore des putes . C'est son vocabulaire de base désolé )
Faut m'expliquer ce que vient faire cet animateur dans la discussion. Son vocabulaire, à qui ? au journaliste ? à moi ? Je pense que c'est plutôt le tien et que ton obsession à dénoncer cet aspect de la ville cache probablement des tourments inavouables...
une faune très souvent glauque
Et voila, tous au goulag encore une fois. C'est tellement facile de nommer glauque ceux qui n’adhèrent pas à ton projet de vie. Pour ma part il m'arrive souvent d'enfourcher le scoot en pleine nuit pour aller écouter l'histoire de leur vie à ces glauques. Çà n'est pas le même son que celui de ta femme quand elle lit des comptines aux enfants mais moi je préfère.
A chacun ses choix hein. 😏
Vraiment n'importe quoi. Le sujet porte sur un choix de cité balnéaire et non sur ma personne. Mais comme tu m'attaques, je suis bien forcé de répondre en te mettant le nez dans ton caca l'ami.
il déteste les vieux, les gosses, les plongeurs, les sportifs, les féministes...
Je déteste les clans, les chapelles et le regroupement par genre. Je recherche pour mes loisirs et la vie en général une société multiforme où des personnes d'origine et de statut différent prennent plaisir échanger librement. C'est grave docteur ?
L'immonde Pattaya
Tu as le droit d'avoir cet avis l'ami. En ce moment avec Songkran, la ville est tellement envahie de touristes qu'il est difficile d'y faire ses achats. Les Thaïs de Bangkok notamment s'y pressent en masse. Tous des masos surement. Rappelons que Pattaya est de loin la cité balnéaire la plus fréquentée de Thaïlande par un tourisme essentiellement familial et que seuls certains francophones bêtement influencés par un vieux commentaire polémique du GDR poussent des cris d'orfraie à la seule évocation de son nom.
station balnéaire préférée de de la Villardière (des putes , des putes et encore des putes . C'est son vocabulaire de base désolé )
Faut m'expliquer ce que vient faire cet animateur dans la discussion. Son vocabulaire, à qui ? au journaliste ? à moi ? Je pense que c'est plutôt le tien et que ton obsession à dénoncer cet aspect de la ville cache probablement des tourments inavouables...
une faune très souvent glauque
Et voila, tous au goulag encore une fois. C'est tellement facile de nommer glauque ceux qui n’adhèrent pas à ton projet de vie. Pour ma part il m'arrive souvent d'enfourcher le scoot en pleine nuit pour aller écouter l'histoire de leur vie à ces glauques. Çà n'est pas le même son que celui de ta femme quand elle lit des comptines aux enfants mais moi je préfère.
A chacun ses choix hein. 😏
Il n'y a pas d'ennemi, seulement parfois de bonnes bouffées de haine...
( JR)
Après votre traversée en avion-hotel-piscine de la Birmanie en moins de 14 jours,
vous continuez à amuser la galerie avec votre amour de la communauté française en voyage.
La perte de repère vous fais si peur. Je peux comprendre désormais votre haine des routards, à mille lieux de votre confort aseptisé.
La perte de repère vous fais si peur. Je peux comprendre désormais votre haine des routards, à mille lieux de votre confort aseptisé.
Si on est plages, Koh samui la fera, si on est plutôt ville Pattaya ira bien, il y a aussi quelques dizaines d'excursions à faire depuis Pattaya
Les grands voyageurs sont ceux qui se perdent
Justement ! Ton sens du voyage et du partage des informations ne font pas l'unanimité : au moins pour la Birmanie... De ce qu'on peut te lire 😛
PS Kentung - Inlé - Mandalay en 20 jours ne font pas toute la Birmanie... 😇
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
J'aime bien titiller Hissého sur le forum à propos de Pattaya (station balnéaire controversée) qui ne doit son succès qu'à sa proximité avec la capitale .Il convient de se rappeler les origines de cette station balnéaire pour établir le lien entre Pattaya et le tourisme sexuel .Certes , il y a des tentatives de s'éloigner de cette image glauque mais le principal fond de commerce demeure la prostitution .Certains y vont en connaissance de cause et je ne juge pas leur motivation .Ce qui me gêne , ce sont les touristes qui arrivent sans connaitre cette station balnéaire et qui assimilent Pattaya à l'ensemble de de la Thaïlande ....Pattaya n'est pas un lieu neutre pour des vacances et mérite de prévenir le voyageur lambda sur ce qu'il peut y voir .Hisséo n'est pas un mauvais bougre mais il prend vite la mouche dès que Pattaya est brocardée (à quand Hisséo , citoyen d'honneur de Pattaya ?)L'an dernier , j'ai fait une brève excursion à Pattaya et mes gamins braillards ont adoré le zoo ...Sans rancune et bonne année à tous ceux qui aiment ou détestent Pattaya .
Pattaya ne laisse pas indifférent et chacun est libre d'y aller ou pas .Dommage que Hisséo refuse les messages privés car je l'aime bien, le bougre , et je l'imagine bien le soir , fendre la nuit sur son scoot , pour écouter ceux qui se sont échoués sur les plages (un bien grand mot pour ces ridicules bandes de sable sur le bord de mer )de Pattaya .
thierry3468
.Certains y vont en connaissance de cause et je ne juge pas leur motivation .Ce qui me gêne , ce sont les touristes qui arrivent sans connaitre cette station balnéaire et qui assimilent Pattaya à l'ensemble de de la Thaïlande ....Pattaya n'est pas un lieu neutre pour des vacances et mérite de prévenir le voyageur lambda sur ce qu'il peut y voir .
+ 1 Sans compter que le maire de Pattaya n'est autre que le frère d'un des + gros parrains de Thailande. Cette (putain) de ville ne peut et ne doit pas être assimilée a la Thailande !!
+ 1 Sans compter que le maire de Pattaya n'est autre que le frère d'un des + gros parrains de Thailande. Cette (putain) de ville ne peut et ne doit pas être assimilée a la Thailande !!
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
N'en déplaise à certains Pattaya change très vite depuis que les chaînes hôtelières locales et internationales s'y intéressent, on ne s'est pas vraiment ce que cela va donner mais la tendance est de partir dans toutes les directions et réduire les bars, les derniers projets qui viennent d'ouvrir ont effectivement rien à voir avec la Thailande, mais cela reste une grande ville thaï
Mimosa, c'est l'Europe, sur Sukhumvit road

Colosseum sur Thepprasit road

La tendance est au style hôtel de Miami, The wave, beach road
Vue sur la terrasse du Carl junior hamburger, Central Festival Center
Les célèbres bars dela soi 2 remplacé par un nouvel hôtel qui ouvrira fin 2013
Mimosa, c'est l'Europe, sur Sukhumvit road


Colosseum sur Thepprasit road

La tendance est au style hôtel de Miami, The wave, beach road

Vue sur la terrasse du Carl junior hamburger, Central Festival Center

Les célèbres bars dela soi 2 remplacé par un nouvel hôtel qui ouvrira fin 2013

Les grands voyageurs sont ceux qui se perdent
L'argent de l'immobilier est plus rentable que celui des filles qui reflueraient sur Phuket dorénavant... Reste la plage defaillante.... 😇
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
Plage défaillante, en cherchant bien on en trouve quelques une pas mal et le Rabbitt resort a été désigné meilleur hôtel en Thailande en 2012 par tripadvisor.
Plage à Wong Amat, il y en a aussi des petites sympas à Jomtien


Et puis pas besoin de plage, on peut payer l'entrée pour la piscine au hard Rock

Comme à Bangkok, on est servi par un robot, restaurant Hajime, Central festival
Plage à Wong Amat, il y en a aussi des petites sympas à Jomtien


Et puis pas besoin de plage, on peut payer l'entrée pour la piscine au hard Rock

Comme à Bangkok, on est servi par un robot, restaurant Hajime, Central festival

Les grands voyageurs sont ceux qui se perdent
Franchement c'est pas des plages !! Je reviens des Philippines ou le mot PLAGE a encore un sens...
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
c'est pas des plages, c'est des filles de bar il n'y a que ca ici
et pour toutes les furies :
C'est pas ici qi'il faut prevenir les gogos de toutes sortes qui pensent tous TOUS que la leur c'est un ange envoyé sur terre juste pour eux ( c'est vrais que vous etes tous trés assortis avec votre tilak) à part quelques années et quelques kilos et quelques euros mais non la votre c'est pas la meme que les filles de pattaya
A pattaya c'est des filles thailandaises (qui viennent de ABSOLUMENT toutes les régions) mais dès qu'elles passent l'entrée de la ville elles mutent..on leur change les neurones
ouvrez les yeux, achetez un mirroir, ici c'est comme ailleurs, non c'est mieux car c'est un échange de bons procédés en toutes connaissances, et c'est bon enfant
j'aime ma ville
foutez nous la paix
Personne ne vas prétendre que Pattaya a des plages de rêve, mais
avec environ 8 millions de touristes par année, presque le double des Philippines , on trouve encore des plages quasi désertes à Pattaya et de très jolies sur l'île en face, ayant été à Fidji, à Tahiti et aussi au Philippines, entre autre, une plage reste un endroit avec du sable et des cocotiers, donc peu varié. Ce qui peut faire la différence c'est le service à la plage et là , la Tihailande propose un des meilleurs, si ce n'est le meilleur
Les grands voyageurs sont ceux qui se perdent
mais cela reste une grande ville thaï
Nouveau siège de la municipalité ou,
chambre de commerce(s) divers sino-russe-thaï ?
La nature fait parfois bien les choses :
A quand l’importation de cigognes ?
Nouveau siège de la municipalité ou,
chambre de commerce(s) divers sino-russe-thaï ?

La nature fait parfois bien les choses :

A quand l’importation de cigognes ?

Sans compter que le maire de Pattaya n'est autre que le frère d'un des + gros parrains de Thailande.
Ba, d’ici 2 ou 300 ans il y aura bien un justicier sur la ville façon studios Disney

Ba, d’ici 2 ou 300 ans il y aura bien un justicier sur la ville façon studios Disney

Bon pour la famille Calagan, le temps plus que toute autre chose sera la raison première de votre choix de destination.
Mai il peut pas mal sur Phuket, et à peu prés partout ailleurs, mais...pas sur Samui. Donc Koh Samui si je puis me permettre un avis.
Si vous le voulez, je peux vous donner des renseignements dés lors que vous avez des questions précises. Aucun problème.
Pour " le reste", des lustres que je ne suis pas passé sur VF, mais je vois que l'ambiance n'y a pas changé. lol.
Toujours les mêmes petits dictateurs de la pensée unique décidant même de ce qui est " la vraie" et la fausse Thaïlande. Certainement que les thais vivant à Pattaya doivent être des figurants.
Dans l'ensemble, assez d'accord avec Hisséo. Surement parce que moi aussi les féministes me débectent, et que, même si j'en suis un, la compagnie de " sportifs" me gonfle.
Quand au " charme de Udon "...euh ...lol ? Pas que Pattaya en ait un terrible, mais bon, au moins elle a des avantages. Financiers entre autres.
Enfin, perso, où que je me trouve en Thaïlande, ben ...je me sens en Thaïlande !
Pour les zaventuriers de la mort qui tue, ce couple a plus de 70 ans et s'il demande des conseils c'est qu'il n'est pas un habitué de la Thaïlande, donc qu'ils ne parlent pas thai. Alors éviter les galères ce n'est pas mal non plus pour eux. La Thaïlande profonde où personne ne parle anglais, une autre fois, quoi !
Les coins sans liaisons aériennes où l'on accède en bus plus bonne volonté, sans hosto digne der ce nom, pareil, à proscrire pour eux.
Pour je ne sais plus qui vantant la supra-connaissance des locaux sous prétexte d'être fauchés, oui et non. Un fauché ne parlant pas thai comprendra bien moins de choses qu'un riche le parlant couramment.
Ou alors " connaitre", pour vous c'est juste échanger par signe sur des choses basiques telles manger et les toilettes ? Hummm.....
Bref toujours la même dictature des petits capos en mode " citoyens du monde" se donnant des airs d'aventuriers dans un pays où chacun à un portable, et se déguisant en Indiana Jones à la descente de l'avion. Lol.
Franchement ce style de type, je le fuis encore davantage qu'un vieux poivrot expat avec sa thai. Lui au moins entre deux cuites il peut être sympa et intéressant.
Lol, sérieux, mais qui vous êtes pour décider de qui est un " vrai" thai ou pas ? Ou encore la " vraie" Thaïlande ?
Bref.
Mai il peut pas mal sur Phuket, et à peu prés partout ailleurs, mais...pas sur Samui. Donc Koh Samui si je puis me permettre un avis.
Si vous le voulez, je peux vous donner des renseignements dés lors que vous avez des questions précises. Aucun problème.
Pour " le reste", des lustres que je ne suis pas passé sur VF, mais je vois que l'ambiance n'y a pas changé. lol.
Toujours les mêmes petits dictateurs de la pensée unique décidant même de ce qui est " la vraie" et la fausse Thaïlande. Certainement que les thais vivant à Pattaya doivent être des figurants.
Dans l'ensemble, assez d'accord avec Hisséo. Surement parce que moi aussi les féministes me débectent, et que, même si j'en suis un, la compagnie de " sportifs" me gonfle.
Quand au " charme de Udon "...euh ...lol ? Pas que Pattaya en ait un terrible, mais bon, au moins elle a des avantages. Financiers entre autres.
Enfin, perso, où que je me trouve en Thaïlande, ben ...je me sens en Thaïlande !
Pour les zaventuriers de la mort qui tue, ce couple a plus de 70 ans et s'il demande des conseils c'est qu'il n'est pas un habitué de la Thaïlande, donc qu'ils ne parlent pas thai. Alors éviter les galères ce n'est pas mal non plus pour eux. La Thaïlande profonde où personne ne parle anglais, une autre fois, quoi !
Les coins sans liaisons aériennes où l'on accède en bus plus bonne volonté, sans hosto digne der ce nom, pareil, à proscrire pour eux.
Pour je ne sais plus qui vantant la supra-connaissance des locaux sous prétexte d'être fauchés, oui et non. Un fauché ne parlant pas thai comprendra bien moins de choses qu'un riche le parlant couramment.
Ou alors " connaitre", pour vous c'est juste échanger par signe sur des choses basiques telles manger et les toilettes ? Hummm.....
Bref toujours la même dictature des petits capos en mode " citoyens du monde" se donnant des airs d'aventuriers dans un pays où chacun à un portable, et se déguisant en Indiana Jones à la descente de l'avion. Lol.
Franchement ce style de type, je le fuis encore davantage qu'un vieux poivrot expat avec sa thai. Lui au moins entre deux cuites il peut être sympa et intéressant.
Lol, sérieux, mais qui vous êtes pour décider de qui est un " vrai" thai ou pas ? Ou encore la " vraie" Thaïlande ?
Bref.
yama
L'homme a trois coeurs. Le premier tout le monde le connait. Le second, seuls ses amis le connaissent. Le troisième ? c'est le vrai, le sien. (Proverbe Japonais)
L'homme a trois coeurs. Le premier tout le monde le connait. Le second, seuls ses amis le connaissent. Le troisième ? c'est le vrai, le sien. (Proverbe Japonais)
j'aime ma ville
foutez nous la paix
Pas de problèmes Je te/vous laisse avec tes/vos faits-divers entre amis Tiens, un must tout frais: sanctuaire pillée devant la plage
Pas de problèmes Je te/vous laisse avec tes/vos faits-divers entre amis Tiens, un must tout frais: sanctuaire pillée devant la plage
ouaaaaaa un vol d'urne, pas d'agression, rien... dans une ville en fete qui en ce moment depasse le million de personne, dont plus 60% sous influance de l'alcool ?? pas de bagare? aggresion ? en plus tout fait diverse est publier dans les newspaper locaux...
rien qu'a entendre les nouvelles d'esaan de la belle famille/voisin qui figure rarement dans les journaux thai.....impresion d'etre plus au far west qu'une ville de prostitution, mafia..blabla on va meme pas parler des media anglophone locaux en esaan...inexistant...
+1 yama j'adhere a tes lignes
rien qu'a entendre les nouvelles d'esaan de la belle famille/voisin qui figure rarement dans les journaux thai.....impresion d'etre plus au far west qu'une ville de prostitution, mafia..blabla on va meme pas parler des media anglophone locaux en esaan...inexistant...
+1 yama j'adhere a tes lignes
les nouvelles d'esaan
😛😏
😛😏
Aller aussi loin pour voir une plage aussi vilaine que pattaya, franchement ca vaut pas la peine.
koh Samiui sans hesiter meme si ce n est pas ma tasse de the non plus, c'est quand meme autrement plus beau.
soyons désinvoltes, n'ayons l'air de rien.
Bonjour Philgo,
Peux tu me faire savoir qui vends à Paris de $ compatibles avec la Birmanie ? Ou chez qui tu te les procures. Merci Bon we
Olivier
Peux tu me faire savoir qui vends à Paris de $ compatibles avec la Birmanie ? Ou chez qui tu te les procures. Merci Bon we
Olivier
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I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
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Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
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We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.







