Avis personnel tsunami
by Jeremias
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
juste un petit billet d humeur qui n engage que moi.................Je trouve assez scandaleux la facon dont les medias ont traite le tsunami et son effroyable bilan;je m explique, les dix premiers jours nous avons entendus plus parler de la thailande que de tous les autres pays touchés;Or si on regarde le nombre de victimes il y en a environ 100 000 en indonesie, 30000 ao sri lanka, et en thailande.....................5000;Mais pourquoi a t on tellement parler de la thailande alors?parce que c est la bas que se concentre la plupart des occidentaux touches?La vis d un occidental a t elle plus de prix au yeux des medias que la vie d un pauvre petit asiatiques?Ou peut etre es ce parceque la thailande es le pays qui ressemble le plus a l occident et que se sont des restaurant, des magazins qui sont touches et non des baraques a pecheurs?Voila, j avoue avoie ete choque par cela et voulais vous en faire part..........................
si l effort est trop grand pour la faiblesse humaine
de pardonner les maux qui nous viennent d autrui
epargnes toi au moins les tourments de la haine
et a defaut du pardon , laisse venir l oubli
Moi aussi c'est mon sentiment ...
J'ai le mal du pays pour un pays qui n'est pas le mien ... (A. David-Neel)
Ce qui est choquant aussi, c'est qu'on ne traite jamais des conséquences de la faim dans le monde, de la malnutrition, de la guerre ou des maladies dans les pays du tiers monde qui font tous les mois plus de victimes que le tsunami.
On parlera plus longtemps des attentats du 11 septembre (3000 morts) que du tsunami (160000 morts). Même si la cause de ces événements est totalement différente et peut expliquer une différence de perception, on mesure l'écart entre une catastrophe touchant les pays occidentaux et le reste du monde.
Voyagez, voyagez, il en restera toujours quelque chose!
Ton commentaire est bien sûr très pertinent. Moi, je me pose une question : quels sont les corps que l'on conserve réfrigérés dans des blocs de glace pour identification ? Est-ce seulement des touristes ? Car les médias nous ont montré, lors des enterrements collectifs dans des fosses, que des corps des habitants de là-bas... Bien sûr, plusieurs corps ont dû être enterrés sans même être identifiés. Est-ce que les familles de ces habitants n'ont pas le pouvoir de demander une identification parce que l'État dispose... donc dispose des corps rapidement pour éviter les épidémies ? Vous me répondrez peut-être que ce sont des familles entières qui ont été décimées; je veux bien le croire mais ces familles entières ont d'autres parents ailleurs non ? Un être humain, qu'il soit de n'importe quelle nationalité, a la même importance à mes yeux.
Louloulune
De la terre à la lune, il n'y a qu'un pas à franchir pour découvrir toutes les beautés dorées par le soleil.
De la terre à la lune, il n'y a qu'un pas à franchir pour découvrir toutes les beautés dorées par le soleil.
il y a plein de question et d'interrogation par rapport au traitement des medias des evenements dans le monde.
derriere nombre d'elle se cache l'idee que les medias donne plus d'importance a certaines vies qu'a d'autres.
Mais pourquoi a t on tellement parler de la thailande alors?parce que c est la bas que se concentre la plupart des occidentaux touches?La vis d un occidental a t elle plus de prix au yeux des medias que la vie d un pauvre petit asiatiques?
l'etre humain categorise forcement les vies autour de lui. son enfant a plus d'importance que l'enfant du voisin, qui auras lui meme plus d'importance que l'enfant du pays voisin. on peux definir ainsi des niveaux d'influance qu'on la vie des autres sur l'homme (le niveau le plus important etant sa proche famille, le niveau le moins important etant l'humanité toute entiere)
si ce fait est accepté, il ne peux etre nié que la notion de francais, voir d'occidental est un niveau particulier dans cette categorisation. on a beau se dire humaniste, respecter tout les hommes, on se sentiras toujours plus proche de qqun dont le mode de vie, la culture, la langue se rapproche de la notre.
du coup, le fait que pour les medias occidentaux, la vie d'un occidental ai plus d'importance que la vie d'un asiatique est lié a cette distinction. les medias francais s'interessent aux victimes francaises, puis dans une moindre mesure aux victimes occidentales(moins proche de nous, mais concervant des liens culturels et de mode de vie importants) et enfin aux victimes du niveau le plus faible, celui de l'humanité.
peut etre ne donne-t-on pas assez d'importance a l'humanité dans les medias, mais j'ai l'impression que cette notion d'humanité continue de progresser dans les esprit, et un jour trouveras sa place
j'espere reussir a me faire comprendre sans choquer :)
Mais pourquoi a t on tellement parler de la thailande alors?parce que c est la bas que se concentre la plupart des occidentaux touches?La vis d un occidental a t elle plus de prix au yeux des medias que la vie d un pauvre petit asiatiques?
l'etre humain categorise forcement les vies autour de lui. son enfant a plus d'importance que l'enfant du voisin, qui auras lui meme plus d'importance que l'enfant du pays voisin. on peux definir ainsi des niveaux d'influance qu'on la vie des autres sur l'homme (le niveau le plus important etant sa proche famille, le niveau le moins important etant l'humanité toute entiere)
si ce fait est accepté, il ne peux etre nié que la notion de francais, voir d'occidental est un niveau particulier dans cette categorisation. on a beau se dire humaniste, respecter tout les hommes, on se sentiras toujours plus proche de qqun dont le mode de vie, la culture, la langue se rapproche de la notre.
du coup, le fait que pour les medias occidentaux, la vie d'un occidental ai plus d'importance que la vie d'un asiatique est lié a cette distinction. les medias francais s'interessent aux victimes francaises, puis dans une moindre mesure aux victimes occidentales(moins proche de nous, mais concervant des liens culturels et de mode de vie importants) et enfin aux victimes du niveau le plus faible, celui de l'humanité.
peut etre ne donne-t-on pas assez d'importance a l'humanité dans les medias, mais j'ai l'impression que cette notion d'humanité continue de progresser dans les esprit, et un jour trouveras sa place
j'espere reussir a me faire comprendre sans choquer :)
Les médias sont là pour faire de l'audimat. Pour faire de l'audimat, il faut plaire au public. Les médias sont donc à l'image du public, sinon, ils ne feraient pas d'audimat. On n'attire pas les mouches avec du vinaigre. Si tu veux changer les médias, il faut d'abord changer le public. TF1 a battu des records d'audimat depuis le 26 décembre : ils n'ont jamais fait autant de fric car la pub se paie par rapport à l'audimat. Sans l'ombre d'un doute, c'est écoeurant, mais c'est comme çà.
Et puis il y a pire. Il y a tous les webmasters amateurs qui ont fait de l'audimat avec le tsunami. Ils ne font pas d'argent. C'est seulement pour la gloire qu'ils ont profité de l'évènement. Pour flatter leur orgueil, rien d'autre. Au moins TF1 et les médias professionnels permettent à nombre de familles de vivre. Une mauvaise cause peut en servir une bonne.
Et puis il y a pire. Il y a tous les webmasters amateurs qui ont fait de l'audimat avec le tsunami. Ils ne font pas d'argent. C'est seulement pour la gloire qu'ils ont profité de l'évènement. Pour flatter leur orgueil, rien d'autre. Au moins TF1 et les médias professionnels permettent à nombre de familles de vivre. Une mauvaise cause peut en servir une bonne.
Gornova, tout d abord ce que tu explique n es pas choquant et j avoue qu il me fait voir une autre vision de celle que j avais propose, et je trouve que ce que tu dis es pertinent.Maintenant, meme s il es normal de regarder plus son nombril que celui des autres je trouve malgre tout qu il faille garder le sens de la mesure:5000 morts en thailande, + de 100 000 en indenosie!!!!!!!!!Franchement a l echelle des catastrophe 5000 c est breaucoup sans etre effroyable, 100 000 j avais jamais vu, je crois que j avais meme pas imagine le voir tellement ca fait beaucoup!!!!!!!!20 fois plus de morts en Indonesie et une couverture mediatique bien moindre que la thailande ca reste demesure et scandaleux pour ce que j en pense.D autres part en ce site de voyageur, je me sens moi(desole pour le cliche)"citoyen du monde" et un mort asiatique ou occidental a autant de valeur, mais cela n, engage que moi.......Sinon je ne pense qu il faille incriminer specialement tf1 mais l ensemble des medias tant cette tendance s est revelee etre generale.Voila une nouvelle pierre a l edifice de cette discussion
si l effort est trop grand pour la faiblesse humaine
de pardonner les maux qui nous viennent d autrui
epargnes toi au moins les tourments de la haine
et a defaut du pardon , laisse venir l oubli
on a eut des nouvelles de la thailande avant l'indonesie, car il existe une infrastructure mediatique en thailande. un exemple parmis d'autre sont les videos amateurs. des les premiers jours, on a eut acces a des videos amateurs provenant de thailande, tandis que celle d'indonesie ne sont apparu que ces derniers jours...en plus, les situations de conflits armé (que ce soit en indonesie ou au sri lanka) n'aident pas vraiment a avoir des informations. quand on vois la reaction de l'indonesie (des militaires partout pour surveiller l'aide) on comprend que ce n'est pas facile pour les journaliste de faire leur travail. c'est malheureux pour les victimes, mais la politique est encore dans les pattes des gens les plus motivés :(
le cliché "citoyen du monde" est sans doute a l'honneur de ceux qui le rependent, mais je n'en reste pas moins convaincu que si tu rencontre au plus profond de la chine un francais ou un anglais, les relations que tu auras avec cette personne seront differentes de celle que tu peux avoir avec les chinois locaux. mais cela n'empeche pas de s'inquieter pour tout homme de la planete.
quand a incriminer TF1 ou l'ensemble des medias, c'est pas la meme chose. la television a un pouvoir si important, car meme si les informations quelle apporte sont pauvres, il n'en demeure pas moins que c'est la television qui defini ce qui est important et ce qui ne l'est pas. un journal qui parle d'un massacre dans un pays africain, si ce n'est pas relayé par la TV n'a aucune chance d'etre suivi. qque part, la tele est devenus le plus fort ciment culturel entre les francais, et par consequent devrais perdre son pouvoir de choisir ce qui est important pour laisser place a des systemes de decisions plus democratiques
le cliché "citoyen du monde" est sans doute a l'honneur de ceux qui le rependent, mais je n'en reste pas moins convaincu que si tu rencontre au plus profond de la chine un francais ou un anglais, les relations que tu auras avec cette personne seront differentes de celle que tu peux avoir avec les chinois locaux. mais cela n'empeche pas de s'inquieter pour tout homme de la planete.
quand a incriminer TF1 ou l'ensemble des medias, c'est pas la meme chose. la television a un pouvoir si important, car meme si les informations quelle apporte sont pauvres, il n'en demeure pas moins que c'est la television qui defini ce qui est important et ce qui ne l'est pas. un journal qui parle d'un massacre dans un pays africain, si ce n'est pas relayé par la TV n'a aucune chance d'etre suivi. qque part, la tele est devenus le plus fort ciment culturel entre les francais, et par consequent devrais perdre son pouvoir de choisir ce qui est important pour laisser place a des systemes de decisions plus democratiques
plus que d'accord, je suis certain qu'en thaillande, dès juillet les bidochons pourrons de nouveau s'avachirs sur leur transat et se gaver de biere dans des hotels de luxe reconstruits a neuf ou les club med avec l'argent des aide internationals et le travail des gens du pays alors que les petits pecheurs des autres iles n'aurons pas encore touché 1 ct . qu'as ton fait pour haiti et le rwanda et l'iran ? CA Y EST JE SUIS EN COLERE ! 🙁
ci-joint le message de mon coup de gueule que j'ai mis en ligne deux jours après la catastrophe:
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=134662#134662
christian
Ps: à cette date, les états et aides humanitaires(sauf quelques rares) n'avaient pas encore bougé!!!
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=134662#134662
christian
Ps: à cette date, les états et aides humanitaires(sauf quelques rares) n'avaient pas encore bougé!!!
CHRISTIAN
"Ne pas rire, ce n'est pas sérieux"
"Ne pas rire, ce n'est pas sérieux"
super, j'adore les gens comme toi qui poussent des coup de gueule, je te nomme president de la republique, tout de suite apres le seisme j'en ais poussé beaucoup en rapport a certains qui ne merite pas de s'appeler routards, en voici un que j'ai lance 2 jours apres et qui a ete boycoté ; cette nuit j'ais fait un reve, george bush enlevait ses troupes d'irak pour les envoyer donner la main en asie mais dans mon reve le ras ne marrée etait du petrole.lorsque je me suis reveiller, je me suis alors rendu compte que c'etait impossible alors mon reve est tombé a l'eau comme les amerloc sont tombé dans le panneau.
allez pour te changer les idées va sur mon site : www.bamako.fr.fm 😉
allez pour te changer les idées va sur mon site : www.bamako.fr.fm 😉
il paraitrait que des vautours se jettent pour acheter des terrains a bas prix ( le malheur des uns fait ..................)
la difference aussi est que le club med avait le choix de ne pas construire sur la plage, les petits pecheurs eux ne l'ont pas, ils n'ont pas de quads pour trainer leur filets ( exuse moi je ne savait pas que tu travaillais la bas )
en tout cas moi ce que je remarque, c est que meme sur cette discussion on finit par ne parler plus que de la thailande?Quand je pense qu on ne sait meme pas ce qui s est passe en birmanie?
si l effort est trop grand pour la faiblesse humaine
de pardonner les maux qui nous viennent d autrui
epargnes toi au moins les tourments de la haine
et a defaut du pardon , laisse venir l oubli
Bonjour Jeremias,
ok je suis d'accord avec toi, mais en Birmanie les autorités empêche toute source d'information on en sauras plus dans peu de temps ( peut-être ) j'ai un copain qui reviendras de là-bas dans un mois il est parti il y a quelque jours .
ok je suis d'accord avec toi, mais en Birmanie les autorités empêche toute source d'information on en sauras plus dans peu de temps ( peut-être ) j'ai un copain qui reviendras de là-bas dans un mois il est parti il y a quelque jours .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
hier sur france 2, la redactrice en chef expliquait que c'est surtout grace aux touristes qu'ils avaient eu les infos, camescopes, temoignages... et ceux ci etaient en thailande. De plus, il était bcp plus difficile de se rendre sur les autres sites.
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For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
hi
I’ll be on a cruise on January 11, 2027. We’re stopping in Ho Chi Minh City (Phu My).
I’d love to see something other than the city—anyone have recommendations or a guide for 6-8 people with pickup at the port?
I’d really like to visit some rice paddies.
I’ll be on a cruise on January 11, 2027. We’re stopping in Ho Chi Minh City (Phu My).
I’d love to see something other than the city—anyone have recommendations or a guide for 6-8 people with pickup at the port?
I’d really like to visit some rice paddies.
Hi there,
I’m spending 4 days in Kuala Lumpur.
Could you let me know what’s absolutely worth visiting and what’s not really worth the effort?
Any suggested itinerary?
Apart from Batu Caves, I don’t have many ideas...
I’m traveling with my partner and our 16-year-old son.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m spending 4 days in Kuala Lumpur.
Could you let me know what’s absolutely worth visiting and what’s not really worth the effort?
Any suggested itinerary?
Apart from Batu Caves, I don’t have many ideas...
I’m traveling with my partner and our 16-year-old son.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi,
After our trip to China, we want to spend a week in the Philippines for some beach time and snorkeling.
We're looking for the best spot to settle in—nice beaches, great marine life, and short transfer times.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Hi there,
Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Hello,
While traveling in Thailand, I’m looking for a Buddhist kumlai reed bracelet.
Does anyone know where I can find one?
In Bangkok, I visited a few temples but didn’t see any in the nearby shops.
If you have any ideas, I’d love to hear them! Have a great day! :-)
Hi there
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
Hi there,
we’ll be in Mai Chau in June and we’re thinking of heading to Sapa, but first spending a few days in Bac Ha to do some hiking and explore the area.
Is this a good idea for those who’ve been there?
How do you get there?
Thanks for your feedback.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi everyone. As I’m planning my trip for next winter, I’m looking for hotel suggestions in Camotes, Bantayan, Malapascua, Bohol, and Siquijor. The ones I had in mind seem to be fully booked (unless it’s too early?). For those familiar with the area, is it easy to find accommodations on the spot in January/February? I’m specifically looking for hotels with a pool, beachfront, air conditioning, and easy scooter rental nearby. Thanks for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning an itinerary and would love some feedback on whether it’s doable and if the number of days per destination is enough—or too much. I was also debating whether to add an extra night on an island or spend an extra night in Kampot to visit Kep or Battambang.
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
Hi there,
Yesterday in the Thailand section, 100% of the new threads were just about beach destinations 😕...
So here’s the counterattack in the form of this photo thread, dedicated solely to the countryside: the locals, their livestock, fields, farms, rice paddies, small rivers, and agricultural machinery. If you’ve got any pictures that fit these categories, feel free to add them!
Comments welcome.
For each photo, I’ll (or you can) indicate the area where it was taken.
Kanchanaburi:
Kanchanaburi:
Sri Chiangmai:
Soppong:
Tha Wang Pha:
Kanchanaburi:

Kanchanaburi:

Sri Chiangmai:

Soppong:

Tha Wang Pha:

🙂 Hi everyone!
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hi there,
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
Hi everyone,
My girlfriend and I booked our tickets with Saudia Airlines for a trip to Thailand this summer, from July 5th to August 3rd. Given the geopolitical situation in the Middle East, we’re keeping a close eye on the news.
I was wondering if anyone here is in the same situation as us?
• Have you heard anything about possible mass cancellations or if the airline is still maintaining its routes to Asia?
• Are there any travelers who’ve recently returned who could tell us if air corridors have been changed (longer flight times)?
The idea is to know what to expect so we can prepare as best as possible. Thanks for your replies! !
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!