Point d'arrivée en Bolivie pour l'acclimatation?
by Kinou2007
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
salut
j arriverai en provenance de santiago du chili en bolivie . j ai un vol qui normalement arrive direct sur la paz, mais d apres ce que je lis, c pas terrble pour l acclimatation. y a t il un autre aeroport inclus dans un billet one world explorer ou je pourrais arriver pour limiter le mal des montagnes ? et faut il considere rester 2 jours a vraiment rien faire sur la paz pour se sentir mieux .. en gros rester couche ou presque, ou peut on quand meem visiter la ville ou autre ? j arrive poas trop a imaginer
merci de vos reponses
karine
kinou
bonjour Karine,
il y a un aéroport à santa cruz de la sierra (+ 800kms de la paz à l'ouest), mais tu as une route principale, qui rejoints la paz, que tu peux faire petit à petit pour t'acclimater à l'altitude ! santa cruz est à - 200m je crois, mais région amazonienne ! Il faut peut être des antipaludéens ?!
a+
"Fait de ta vie un rêve, et d'un rêve une réalité..." Antoine de St Exupéry
je voulais dire -2000 mètres l'altitude de santa cruz !! pardon !
"Fait de ta vie un rêve, et d'un rêve une réalité..." Antoine de St Exupéry
Salut Karine,
Effectivement il y a la possibilité d'aterrir à Santa Cruz, mais : 1 - je ne suis pas sûr que ce soit possible avec one world (pour mon cas, ce n'était pas possible avec mon billet tour du monde) 2 - Ensuite, il faut faire le trajet Santa Cruz / La Paz : tout dépend du temps que tu restes en bolivie, et des endroits où tu veux aller, mais la traversée du pays sera longue...
Concernant le mal des montagnes, personne ne réagit de la même façon... Avec mon homme nous sommes aussi arrivés à La Paz direct de Santiago en avion. Pour moi les 2 premiers jours ont été assez difficiles (j'ai du passer le premier jour allongée, mais ensuite on a visité, ça allait), pour mon homme ça été beaucoup plus léger, il était un peu fatigué et avait mal à la tête le premier jour, et ensuite plus rien. la coca aide beaucoup (ça a été mon médicament dès qu'on était en altitude), mais personne ne peut prédire comment tu vas réagir si tu n'es jamais montée au delà de 3000 m... De toute façon, à un moment ou à un autre de ton séjour, tu seras bien obligée de grimper en altitude : autant essayer tout de suite à La Paz, et voir si tu t'acclimates, si ce n'est pas le cas ça veut dire que tu auras des problèmes dès que tu monteras...
Bon voyage
Effectivement il y a la possibilité d'aterrir à Santa Cruz, mais : 1 - je ne suis pas sûr que ce soit possible avec one world (pour mon cas, ce n'était pas possible avec mon billet tour du monde) 2 - Ensuite, il faut faire le trajet Santa Cruz / La Paz : tout dépend du temps que tu restes en bolivie, et des endroits où tu veux aller, mais la traversée du pays sera longue...
Concernant le mal des montagnes, personne ne réagit de la même façon... Avec mon homme nous sommes aussi arrivés à La Paz direct de Santiago en avion. Pour moi les 2 premiers jours ont été assez difficiles (j'ai du passer le premier jour allongée, mais ensuite on a visité, ça allait), pour mon homme ça été beaucoup plus léger, il était un peu fatigué et avait mal à la tête le premier jour, et ensuite plus rien. la coca aide beaucoup (ça a été mon médicament dès qu'on était en altitude), mais personne ne peut prédire comment tu vas réagir si tu n'es jamais montée au delà de 3000 m... De toute façon, à un moment ou à un autre de ton séjour, tu seras bien obligée de grimper en altitude : autant essayer tout de suite à La Paz, et voir si tu t'acclimates, si ce n'est pas le cas ça veut dire que tu auras des problèmes dès que tu monteras...
Bon voyage
Cyrille
j'me suis encore trompée !! santa cruz est à l'est de la Paz !! Décidemment, suis mal réveilleé ce matin moiiiiii🤪
"Fait de ta vie un rêve, et d'un rêve une réalité..." Antoine de St Exupéry
Bonjour,
il ne faut pas prévoir de grandes excursions les premiers jours mais c'est possible.
Bien se reposer, boire beaucoup, faire des petites promenades à pied si tu le sens. Je suis arrivé de Paris à La Paz en connaissance de cause.
L'aéroport est à El Alto à 4100 m, le centre de La Paz est à 3800 mètres.
Tu peux également descendre dans le bas de La Paz pour la journée ce qui te fait perdre encore 300 mètres.
Si tu pars en connaissance de cause, tu t'adaptes et c'est une affire de quelques jours.
Pierre
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L'idéal est d'arriver à Santa Cruz à 500 m, d'ailleurs cette ville est le principal aéroport international, il y a beaucoup plus de vols que sur La Paz.
Je suis arrivé plusieurs fois directement à La Paz sans aucun inconvénient. De toute façon vous verrez de suite si vous êtes en état de faire des efforts ou pas. Il suffit d'écouter son corps pour s'acclimater !
Hello
1 - ou arriver Oui, Santa Cruz est le mieux pour arriver en Bolivie puis monter en s acclimatant.
2 - Le mal de l altitude tu peux bien sur essayer La Paz. tu n en mourras pas. Seulement 1 ou 2 jours de mal de tete au pire. je n ai jamais teste l acclimatation directe. Tu as effectivement la coca. Tu peux demander aussi en pharamacie sur place de la soprache (tu en trovueras à Santiago). je n ai plus le nom exact alors ne te fie pas trop au nom que je te donne. Demande seulement en pharmacie à Santiago qqchose pour le mal des montagnes.
3 - Et le terrestre Il existe une autre voie : la terrestre Tu remontes de Santiago vers le Nord Chili puis tu arrives à SAn Pedro de Atacama. Tu es deja monté pas mal la. Ensuite tu prends une agence pour rentrer en bolivie tout en traversant le sud ouest bolivien et le salar d uyuni. Tu te fais deposer à Uyuni et hop tu prends un bus de nuit pour La PAz Tu seras deja passé à 5000 m dans le sud est bolivien et donc tu n auras aucun pb d acclimation.
Tu peux voir des photos sur ces routes et ces choix sur mon blog http://tourdumondedenaisetvincent.blogs-de-voyage.fr/
Vincent
1 - ou arriver Oui, Santa Cruz est le mieux pour arriver en Bolivie puis monter en s acclimatant.
2 - Le mal de l altitude tu peux bien sur essayer La Paz. tu n en mourras pas. Seulement 1 ou 2 jours de mal de tete au pire. je n ai jamais teste l acclimatation directe. Tu as effectivement la coca. Tu peux demander aussi en pharamacie sur place de la soprache (tu en trovueras à Santiago). je n ai plus le nom exact alors ne te fie pas trop au nom que je te donne. Demande seulement en pharmacie à Santiago qqchose pour le mal des montagnes.
3 - Et le terrestre Il existe une autre voie : la terrestre Tu remontes de Santiago vers le Nord Chili puis tu arrives à SAn Pedro de Atacama. Tu es deja monté pas mal la. Ensuite tu prends une agence pour rentrer en bolivie tout en traversant le sud ouest bolivien et le salar d uyuni. Tu te fais deposer à Uyuni et hop tu prends un bus de nuit pour La PAz Tu seras deja passé à 5000 m dans le sud est bolivien et donc tu n auras aucun pb d acclimation.
Tu peux voir des photos sur ces routes et ces choix sur mon blog http://tourdumondedenaisetvincent.blogs-de-voyage.fr/
Vincent
hola,
effectivement, tu peux arriver à santa cruz (qui n'est pas, exactement la forêt amazonienne, désolée ! santa cruz est la région qui borde le pantanal... zone marécageuse, sublime, qui est la tte fin de la forêt amazonienne... à visiter, c'est une merveille sur le plan de la faune et de la flore... par contre, effectivement, il y a bcp de moustiques... je ne prenais pas d'anti-palu, comme la plupart des gens avec qui je me trouvais, qui étaient, comme moi, en voyage long court... mais de l'antimoustique béton ! à ma connaissance, aucun, n'a rien contracté ! mais bon !)
en fait, dans tes questions : tout dépend de ce que tu veux voir en bolivie... arrivée par la paz, c'est être à côté du lac titicaca... de la cordillère royale...yyaoow ! du bonheur... tu es en altitude, certes. tu avances moins vite : c sûr ! mais ça n'est pas si violent ! le conseille que je pourrai te donner, peut être est d'affiner ton trip en bolivie, pour te permettre de savoir par quel bout tu l'abordes... attention, les trajets entre villes sont longs et les compagnies de transports sont pas top... juste pour info : la bolivie est l'un des pays les plus pauvres d'amérique du sud
courage..
nadia
Quelle chance de voyager !!
effectivement, tu peux arriver à santa cruz (qui n'est pas, exactement la forêt amazonienne, désolée ! santa cruz est la région qui borde le pantanal... zone marécageuse, sublime, qui est la tte fin de la forêt amazonienne... à visiter, c'est une merveille sur le plan de la faune et de la flore... par contre, effectivement, il y a bcp de moustiques... je ne prenais pas d'anti-palu, comme la plupart des gens avec qui je me trouvais, qui étaient, comme moi, en voyage long court... mais de l'antimoustique béton ! à ma connaissance, aucun, n'a rien contracté ! mais bon !)
en fait, dans tes questions : tout dépend de ce que tu veux voir en bolivie... arrivée par la paz, c'est être à côté du lac titicaca... de la cordillère royale...yyaoow ! du bonheur... tu es en altitude, certes. tu avances moins vite : c sûr ! mais ça n'est pas si violent ! le conseille que je pourrai te donner, peut être est d'affiner ton trip en bolivie, pour te permettre de savoir par quel bout tu l'abordes... attention, les trajets entre villes sont longs et les compagnies de transports sont pas top... juste pour info : la bolivie est l'un des pays les plus pauvres d'amérique du sud
courage..
nadia
Quelle chance de voyager !!
Bonjour
Je ne répondrai pas vraiment à tes questions, car voilà:je me pose les mêmes.Quand parts tu, et quel circuit comptes tu faire ? Je prépare moi aussi la visite d'Atacama, las lagunas et le sud Lipez pour l'année prochaine.
Je lis donc attentivement les réponses que l'on te fera
Bonne journée
Je ne répondrai pas vraiment à tes questions, car voilà:je me pose les mêmes.Quand parts tu, et quel circuit comptes tu faire ? Je prépare moi aussi la visite d'Atacama, las lagunas et le sud Lipez pour l'année prochaine.
Je lis donc attentivement les réponses que l'on te fera
Bonne journée
Toi désert, compagnon de ma vie
Toi désert, le plus cher des amis
merci nadia pour tes infos !
oui, je me tâte et j'ai pas envi de prendre d'antipaludéen, juste pour 2-3 jours.
je vais continuer à sonder les avis !
merci de me faire partager ton expérience.
sandrine
"Fait de ta vie un rêve, et d'un rêve une réalité..." Antoine de St Exupéry
pas de problème monique, je prends bcp d'infos sur VF, car c'est une mine d'or !!
bonne préparation !!
sandrine
"Fait de ta vie un rêve, et d'un rêve une réalité..." Antoine de St Exupéry
oui, c'est peut être une question de chance aussi ! il faut savoir que celui qui contracte le parasite (plasmodium) l'a à vie ! tu peux très bien vivre avec un palu, mais tu peux aussi faire une crise de palu avec complications encéphaliques ou autre... mieux vaut ne pas tenter...😉
"Fait de ta vie un rêve, et d'un rêve une réalité..." Antoine de St Exupéry
En 2003 nous sommes partis en Bolivie avec la compagnie espagnole Iberia (Paris-Madrid- Santa Cruz).
Puis nous avions fait progressivement la route en bus en passant par Cochabamba avant de rejoindre La Paz...
c'est un très bon plan pour s'acclimater et surtout avoir une image différente de la Bolivie que celle de La Paz...
Sommes actuellement à Buenos Aires en attendant notre camion Hachille qui devrait arriver la semaine prochaine... et en avant vers la Patagonie et la Terre de feu...
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Hey everyone,
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
hi,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Bonjour à tous,
Nous partons 3 semaines en Patagonie en novembre en partant a priori depuis Coyhaique au Chili.
Nous ne serons pas motorisés et j'ai beaucoup de mal à obtenir des informations sur les possibilités de transport en quelques endroits de l'itinéraire que nous souhaiterions réaliser :
1) De Perito-Moreno (la ville, près de Los Antiguos), nous aimerions descendre la ruta 40 pour visiter le parc national Perito Moreno et ensuite passer au Chili via le Paso Roballos (à la lattitude de Bajo Caracoles)pour rejoindre la route de Cochrane. Sans voiture, il semble que nous devions passer par des agences privées pour rejoindre le parc national Perito Moreno : avez vous des recommandations ou des suggestions à ce sujet ? Et quelqu'un sait-il s'il est possible de passer (sans loc de voiture) au Chili par le Paso Roballos (depuis Bajo Caracoles), c'est à dire sans devoir descendre jusqu'à El Chalten ni remonter vers Perito Moreno / Los Antiguos etc. ?
2) Le 2ème tronçon qui semble un peu compliqué (mais quand même plus facile a priori) c'est de Caleta Tortel à Villa O'Higgins côté chilien. Doit-on repasser obligatoirement par Cochrane ou bien y a-t-il des possibilités de rejoindre Villa O'Higgins directement depuis Tortel?
3) Enfin, nous souhaiterions rejoindre l'Argentine (El Chalten), à pied, depuis O'Higgins. Auriez vous des recommandations à ce sujet également ? Doit-on passer par une agence ? Durée estimée de l'excursion ?
Vous l'aurez compris, nous souhaitons tout à la fois accéder à des endroits assez peu fréquentés mais nous n'avons pas de voiture pour cela, nous cherchons donc les meilleurs compromis possibles.
Mille mercis d'avance pour toutes vos suggestions ! Thomas
1) De Perito-Moreno (la ville, près de Los Antiguos), nous aimerions descendre la ruta 40 pour visiter le parc national Perito Moreno et ensuite passer au Chili via le Paso Roballos (à la lattitude de Bajo Caracoles)pour rejoindre la route de Cochrane. Sans voiture, il semble que nous devions passer par des agences privées pour rejoindre le parc national Perito Moreno : avez vous des recommandations ou des suggestions à ce sujet ? Et quelqu'un sait-il s'il est possible de passer (sans loc de voiture) au Chili par le Paso Roballos (depuis Bajo Caracoles), c'est à dire sans devoir descendre jusqu'à El Chalten ni remonter vers Perito Moreno / Los Antiguos etc. ?
2) Le 2ème tronçon qui semble un peu compliqué (mais quand même plus facile a priori) c'est de Caleta Tortel à Villa O'Higgins côté chilien. Doit-on repasser obligatoirement par Cochrane ou bien y a-t-il des possibilités de rejoindre Villa O'Higgins directement depuis Tortel?
3) Enfin, nous souhaiterions rejoindre l'Argentine (El Chalten), à pied, depuis O'Higgins. Auriez vous des recommandations à ce sujet également ? Doit-on passer par une agence ? Durée estimée de l'excursion ?
Vous l'aurez compris, nous souhaitons tout à la fois accéder à des endroits assez peu fréquentés mais nous n'avons pas de voiture pour cela, nous cherchons donc les meilleurs compromis possibles.
Mille mercis d'avance pour toutes vos suggestions ! Thomas
Hi,
we’re planning a round trip from San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, to Salta, Argentina, in two months. On the way there, we’ll take the northern route via Susques, Route 27, then 52. But for the return, we were thinking of taking the southern route via San Antonio de los Cobres, Route 51, then 23. Is it similar to the northern route in terms of road surface? How busy is it, and are there gas stations? Basically, should we be worried about doing it in an SUV that’s supposedly 4x4 but has regular road tires and no second spare wheel, obviously...
I’ve seen that we can stop over in San Antonio de los Cobres.
Thanks for your feedback.
Raf.
Hi,
we’ll be in Calama at the end of March 2026, and I’m looking for a reliable car rental there for a 7-day road trip to Salta, Argentina. But I’m struggling with the car rental agencies in Calama because the reviews can be scary. I saw Gyg, which has great ratings, but I’m a bit wary (5/5 from 59 reviews—either the guy’s amazing or it’s fake...), but I can’t find any recent reviews on VF in general.
For Punta Arenas, I booked with Dachelet and didn’t have any issues with email exchanges.
Thanks in advance.
Raf.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
We’re a group of 6 friends with an average age of 70, all mobile, and we’re planning a trip to Peru in September/October 2026. Below is an idea of what we’re looking for: a French-speaking guide, accommodation in 3-star hotels or homestays with comfort.
Duration: 16 to 20 days on-site.
Visit the main sites with immersion in the culture and way of life.
Which francophone agency in Peru would you recommend? Thanks
Hi there!
I’m putting together my itinerary for Brazil, looking for beautiful natural spots with wildlife, flora, and great hikes...
I’ve come across the Cananeia / Super Agui / Ilha do Mel region and the PETAR / Intervales / Alto Ribeira area.
Has anyone here been to these places? If so, do you have any recommendations for accommodations and activities?
Thanks in advance!
Best,
Olivier 🌍
Hello,
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
Hi there,
We’re spending 3 weeks in Brazil, arriving in São Paulo—a couple plus a teen—and we’ll have a rental car.
We especially love nature: hiking, wildlife watching, birds, etc.
We’re planning to wrap up with a week around Paraty and Ilha Grande.
We’re not really into visiting big cities like São Paulo or Rio unless you think we’d be missing out big time.
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
Hi there,
Do you have any recommendations for comfortable accommodation in Leyva and Barichara? We're also looking for a guide to explore the areas around these two towns (parks, waterfalls, etc.).
Thanks for your tips!
I visited Colombia in January 2016 and I’m heading back from August 6th to 17th with the same airline to see how things have changed. Starting August 18th, I’ll continue with independent exploration. I prefer slow travel and enjoying places at my own pace.
Any tips—especially for getting around or must-see spots—are welcome!
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Hi there,
Three years ago during a trip to Java (no, I didn’t post in the wrong forum!), I came across the address of former miners who had switched to “tourism” and organized nighttime ascents of the Kawah Ijen volcano and descents into the crater.
So I was thinking—maybe there are miners on the salt flats too, either former or still active, who do the same thing. If you’ve had an experience like this, I’d love any tips you can share.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there, since there isn’t much recent info on how to get to MP, I’d love to know if there have been any improvements to the "route" to Hydroelectrica. Is it feasible to drive there in February? And is it still possible to walk all the way to Aguas Calientes? I think I read somewhere that it’s no longer allowed??
Do you think I can buy Machu Picchu entrance tickets last-minute at that time of year, given the weather?
Hello tout le monde!
Nous partons entre amis au Brésil en Mars 2019 et nous souhaitons assister au défilé du carnaval. J'aurais bien besoin de votre aide car j'ai du mal à trouver des avis sur les sites de vente en ligne pour les tickets du carnaval. J'ai repéré rio-carnival, est-ce une agence fiable. Avez-vous d'autres agences à conseiller ou expériences à partager? Votre aide est la bienvenue.
Merci 🙂 Marine
Nous partons entre amis au Brésil en Mars 2019 et nous souhaitons assister au défilé du carnaval. J'aurais bien besoin de votre aide car j'ai du mal à trouver des avis sur les sites de vente en ligne pour les tickets du carnaval. J'ai repéré rio-carnival, est-ce une agence fiable. Avez-vous d'autres agences à conseiller ou expériences à partager? Votre aide est la bienvenue.
Merci 🙂 Marine
Everything You Need to Know About Argentina’s Currency Exchange Maze (2026 Edition)
Hi fellow travelers,
Packing your bags for Buenos Aires? Watch out—here, money is a science almost as complex as the dance steps in a tango!
As of March 2026, the situation has shifted dramatically: the "Blue" (parallel) rate is now neck-and-neck with the official rate. To save you from losing your hard-earned euros in bureaucratic mazes or "disastrous" exchange rates, I’ve laced up my reporter boots and hit the famous Calle Florida for you.
In my latest video (and the accompanying article), I take you behind the scenes of currency exchange:
Arbolitos and Cuevas: Who are they, and can you still trust them? The Rate Showdown: Why Banco Nación is currently the worst place for your savings. Western Union: Why it’s often your best ally right now. Cash or Card? The little secret to getting an instant 10–15% discount at restaurants or hotels. The Bill Trap: Why your 500 € notes or stained dollars might stay in your wallet.
Argentina changes fast—*very* fast (by the end of March, today’s advice might already be old news!). So don’t leave without checking the market’s pulse.
Check out all my tips in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKmKFux4fpQ
And remember: in Argentina, don’t exchange money on weekends—unless you want your cash to melt like snow in the sun!
Safe travels, and see you on the road! Hergé
Packing your bags for Buenos Aires? Watch out—here, money is a science almost as complex as the dance steps in a tango!
As of March 2026, the situation has shifted dramatically: the "Blue" (parallel) rate is now neck-and-neck with the official rate. To save you from losing your hard-earned euros in bureaucratic mazes or "disastrous" exchange rates, I’ve laced up my reporter boots and hit the famous Calle Florida for you.
In my latest video (and the accompanying article), I take you behind the scenes of currency exchange:
Arbolitos and Cuevas: Who are they, and can you still trust them? The Rate Showdown: Why Banco Nación is currently the worst place for your savings. Western Union: Why it’s often your best ally right now. Cash or Card? The little secret to getting an instant 10–15% discount at restaurants or hotels. The Bill Trap: Why your 500 € notes or stained dollars might stay in your wallet.
Argentina changes fast—*very* fast (by the end of March, today’s advice might already be old news!). So don’t leave without checking the market’s pulse.
Check out all my tips in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKmKFux4fpQ
And remember: in Argentina, don’t exchange money on weekends—unless you want your cash to melt like snow in the sun!
Safe travels, and see you on the road! Hergé