Bonjour à tous amis voyageurs et routards de tous bords,
Je vais partir en Mai avec une amie pour une 10 aine de jours en Egypte et j'aurais besoin de vos conseils pour organiser notre voyage (et oui comme 10 jours c'est très court, il faut pour une fois partir avec les idées un peu claires).
L'idée serait de passer 3 jours à Louxor puis de descendre le Nil en bateau pour Edfou avant de bifurquer a Marsa Alam pour 2 ou 3 jours.
Comme j'aime bien voyager à sac à dos et rester libre de mes mouvements et de mes rencontres, l'idée de me retrouver avec un groupe organisé me bloque. On en vient donc à mes questions!
Question 1: Savez vous si on peut prendre facilement de Louxor un bateau pour Edfou sans se coltiner un package visite, les soirées costumées et les danses de salon? L'idée serait soit de prendre une sorte de bateau bus (est ce que ça existe?) ou mieux un petit bateau charmant mais sans prétention où on peut passer une nuit à bord. Bref un bateau qui ne fait que de bateau et éventuellement qui fait chambre. Des adresses?
Question 1bis: Combien de temps faut-il pour naviguer de Louxor à Edfou?
Question 2: J'ai cru comprendre dans des reponses à des posts qu'on peu oublier l'option bus entre Edfou et Marsa Alam. Est-ce qu'en revenche on peut facilement trouver un taxi qui nous amènera là bas d'Edfou? Si oui, pour combien approximativement?
Question 2 bis: N'est-il pas finalement plus facile de rentrer à Luxor et de partir pour Marsa?
Question 2 tiers: On n'est pas bloqués sur Marsa Alam, l'idée étant d'aller voir les poissons de la Mer Rouge. Au début on pensait à Hurgada mais en voyant vos posts ça nous a refroidi direct tellement l'endroit a l air peu charmant! Est-ce que qqun connaitrait un endroit sur la Mer rouge pas trop difficile d'accès de la région de Louxor, qui ait de beaux poissons et fonds et qui soit un peu charmant?
Question 3: Pouvez vous me dire quels sont environ les tarifs des taxis (une course d'une heure et tarif à la journée).
Question 4: Est-ce que les bus locaux sont bien (je veux dire par là bonne fréquence et pas bondés au point d'avoir les jambes qui sortent par la fenêtre - du déjà vécu!)
Enfin je vous détaille un peu le parcours que nous prévoyons (sur le papier). Si vous avez des suggestions d'amelioration ou des trucs aberrants que vous voyez.... (NB: je sais que dans l'absolu il vaudrait mieux zapper la Mer rouge mais même pour passer une journée j 'ai trop envie d'aller voir les poissons)
J1: arrivée au caire le soir
J2: musée d'Egyptologie, avion le soir pour Louxor
J3: Louxor - vallée des rois (et plus si temps)
J4: Louxor - vallée des Reines (et plus si temps)
J5: Louxor - temple de Karnak et bateau le soir direction Edfou
J6: Visite d'Edfou et trajet pour Mer rouge
J7: Mer rouge
J8: Mer rouge et trajet pour Louxor
J9: avion tôt pour Le Caire et Sakkarah
J10: plateau de Gizeh
J11: back to France
Ca fait déjà pas mal de questions donc je vais arrêter là. En tous cas je vous remercie par avance pour vos précieux conseils.
Bonjour
Je ne vais pas répondre à toutes les questions, mais souligner deux points:
1. Le voyage est effectivement court et vous voulez faire trop de choses à mon sens, aussi, comme je ne crois pas qu'il soit possible de prendre une nuit de bateau pour Edfou, peut être que ce serait une bonne idée de supprimer cette étape. Il y aurait un peu plus de temps pour Louxor ou la Mer Rouge
2. D'autant plus si vous allez à Marsa Alam qui est très loin : plus de 420 km depuis Louxor qui doit être le point de départ impératif.... 5 heures de route ! plus le retour (presque 300 km jusqu'a Hurgada pour rentrer car il y a tres peu de vols depuis Marsa Alam)... tout ça pour deux jours !! Pourquoi ne pas tenter El Qoseir (140 km de gagné dans chaque sens) qui reste encore pas mal, ou Safaga, oui, ce n'est pas le top... mais un bungalow au "Shams" est de prix très raisonnable...et le club de plongée est sympa, meme si l'hôtel est limite pour la bouffe...
Bonne chance
Alain
Bateau sur le Nil : tu peux parfaitement louer une felouque et te laisser naviguer au gré du vent. Tu dors sur le pont, amarré au milieu des champs de bananiers et de spetits villages, avec l'équipage qui te fait la cuisine. Atmosphère absolument extraordinaire, rien à voir avec les HLM flottants des tour opérators et ça ne reviendra pas plus cher, au contraire. par contre ça va lentement.
La Mer Rouge est plus belle du côté du Sinai. Le village des routards et expatrié est le célèbre Dahab. Ne pose pas un pied dans Hurghada, à moins d'aimer le béton et le tourisme de masse low-cost.
Réfléchis bien aux distances, car elles peuvent être longues et les voyages sont fatiguants. les bus présentent un confort tout à fait acceptable. Même type de fauteuils qu'en France, par contre les amortiesseurs sont souvent bien usés d'où des parcours chaotiques. De même, l'air conditionné fonctionne mal et il vaut donc mieux voyager de nuit pour éviter la chaleur étouffante de la journée.
Merci pour tes informations. Est-ce que tu peux m en dire un peu plus sur la maniere dont tu avais trouve une felouque? Tu te pointes au port et tu vas de bateau en bateau? Tu passes par un agence locale? Autre?
Concernant les distances, c est clair que ca n a pas l air evident. Marsa a l air trop difficile d acces donc on va peut etre viser Safaga. Elle m avait aussi conseille d essayer le coté Sinai mais vu le temps que nous restons.... quoi que j ai deja reussi a grapille un jour de plus de voyage. Et de 12 jours:)
Pour les felouques, les offres viennent toutes seules... Vous voyez, vous discutez, et vous le sentez ou non. On peut faire des balades a la demie journee, c'est deja bien. Pas plus de 20 Egp par heure pour tout le bateau.
Je pense que l'idée de louer une felouque est excellente. Vous n'aurez aucun problème à en trouver. Elles sont toutes là à nous attendent. N'oublier pas de négocier. Il y en a avec moteur d'autres sans moteur. Il y a aussi toutes sortes d'autres embarquacations plus rapides parfois.
Tout est bien organisé. S'il y a un problème avec l'embarquation, quelqu'un peut venir très vite nous récupérer. Tous ont un cellulaire.
Pour le Caire, je commencerais par les pyramides et terminerais par le musée. Le musée refait tout l'historique de ce que vous aurez vu durant votre voyage. Belle clôture!
Sophie
Saqqarah et le plateau de Guiseh peuvent se faire le même jour surtout en arrivant tôt au Caire. Cela te laisse une autre journée pour visiter la citadelle, de descendre ensuite à pieds à travers le Caire Islamique, de visiter la Mosquée Ibn Touloun, la Maison Gayer Anderson et terminer vers la Mosquée El Ahzar. Faire un tour au Souk du Khan el Khalili ou bien en face de ce dernier, une balade à la porte du Bab El Zwela. Et si tu te trouves dans ce quartier un mercredi ou bien un samedi, tu peux également aller voir le super spectacle (gratuit)de la troupe El Tanoura (derviches). Si tu peux terminer ton périple par le Musée du caire avant de prendre l'avion, c'est pas mal. Bon voyage !
Bonjour,
Je réponds à la partie de votre pgm qui n a pas encore été évoquée : Luxor.
J3: Vallée des Rois et le temple de Medinet Abou (tout proche)
J4 : zappez la vallée des Reines ! Par contre, vallées des Artisans, des Nobles et le Ramesséum.
Le soir, balade dans temple de Luxor éclairé jusqu a 21 h.
Pour la partie Le Caire, la dernière réponse vous fait tout visiter, c est très complet mais je crains la saturation.
J aurais proposé
J9 le musée à l ouverture ( montez directement au 1er voir les salles Toutankhamon, dès 9 h; les groupes y vont 1 h plus tard).
Après-midi, Gizeh
J10 Sakkarah, eventuellement Dahchour. Terminez la journée en allant aux souks ( thé au Fichaoui), en passant si possible voir la mosquée Ibn Tulum ou
les maisons Beit El S.
Très bon voyage.
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I’m wondering about a "cruise" on a felucca from Aswan—mainly to avoid being stuck in an air-conditioned tourist bubble (we’re already spending our first week in that setting with our diving club). We’d like to explore the most interesting stretch of the Nile between Aswan and Luxor. Do you have any thoughts on this option, tips, or maybe some contacts?
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Here’s a first draft for a 14-night itinerary during the Christmas break with two teens. We’re especially fond of hiking (nothing too extreme, though), which is why we’re drawn to the south.
- Marrakech (2 nights)
- Aït Ben Haddou (1 night)
- Dadès (3 nights, though we’re thinking of doing a day trip to the Todra Gorge on one of those days)
- M'hamid (1 night)
- Erg Chigaga (1 night)
- 4 nights to slot in
- Marrakech (2 nights)
Okay, I realize this involves a lot of driving, and we’re still debating the return route since we’d like to avoid the Tichka Pass in January, but going through Taroudant seems like it would add *a lot* of time. 😕
If you’ve got other suggestions for an itinerary with great hikes, I’m all ears!
Also, the 4 nights total in MRK isn’t really our preference, but since we’re arriving/departing super early from overseas, we’d like to be a bit rested before the long flight.
Another question:
For hikes (aside from the desert one), is it better to have a guide with us, or are the trails well-marked?
Hi everyone,
Our trip to Morocco will be from November 3 to 17, in the High Atlas.
Basically, our route would be:
Marrakech - Aït Benhaddou
Skoura - Tinghir - Merzouga
Merzouga via the N12 to Zagora
Zagora - Draa Valley - Marrakech
It seems to be the low season, so I’d love to travel without having to book accommodations in advance. In other countries, pre-booking has restricted us and kept us from visiting unplanned sites. Freedom is important to us, but I’d also like to avoid arriving somewhere and finding nothing available.
What do you recommend? Book ahead or not?
Your advice is always helpful, and thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me.
Roberto
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Hi, I’d like to head to Morocco next week with my car. I’ve looked online at all the different info about the ferry crossing to Tangier, but I’m finding it really expensive. Is there a way to buy tickets in Spain? Or another way to get the Algeciras–Tangier crossing cheaper? Thanks for any tips or info!
We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April.
What do you think of this rate?
This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available?
-Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)?
-Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?)
- What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!)
- In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid?
- Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country?
- A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you:
- Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why?
- Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies.
- Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car?
- Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years.
Have a great evening,
Roberto
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities.
Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency.
If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling.
We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback!
Safe travels to all,
Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.
Even though I come to Morocco four times a year, it’s been a long time since I’ve made the trip by car. I need to refresh my knowledge! I’ll be traveling in early October. I have a car that’s about 20 years old. The plan is to cross via Algeciras/Ceuta.
A few questions:
1) Does this crossing still exist? If so, do I need to buy the ticket in advance or on the spot? From whom? Any advice is welcome!
2) What documents are required for the car?
3) If anyone is making the trip around the same time, it could be fun to drive together 😊