Merci beaucoup, bonnes routes
Sac de couchage avec des manches: utile?
by Chossuropied
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Comme je n'ai encore jamais fait de randos dans le grand froid, je me demande quel sac de couchage acheter.
Est ce judicieux de miser sur un sac de couchage qui est munis de manches et avec lequel on peut se lever sans sortir du cocon? Oui cela existe! exemple le Survival down 1000 http://www.krapahute.com/survival-down-1000.html.
Comme il est cher, un peu lourd et surtout militaire, savez vous si c'est vraiment pratique ?
Merci beaucoup, bonnes routes
Merci beaucoup, bonnes routes
... la plupart du temps, la seule raison pour laquelle on aurait besoin de se déplacer sans sortir de son sac, c'est pour la satisfaction de besoins naturels nocturnes !
... il va donc te falloir en trouver un avec aussi une manche spéciale pour aller pisser sans tout sortir du sac ! 🤪
... il va donc te falloir en trouver un avec aussi une manche spéciale pour aller pisser sans tout sortir du sac ! 🤪
Aucun intérêt en rando, même pour dormir dehors en hiver.
En plus, il est quasi intransportable, il fait 20L ! Soit 1/3 du volume d'un sac-à-dos de 60L (taille la plus utilisée) Quasiment 400€ pour un sac -10°C qui fait 1,90kg, tu peux trouver bien mieux (pour info, mon duvet -5°C fait 5L et 1kg)
As tu besoin de -10°C ? C'est pour dormir sous tente dans le neige ?
En plus, il est quasi intransportable, il fait 20L ! Soit 1/3 du volume d'un sac-à-dos de 60L (taille la plus utilisée) Quasiment 400€ pour un sac -10°C qui fait 1,90kg, tu peux trouver bien mieux (pour info, mon duvet -5°C fait 5L et 1kg)
As tu besoin de -10°C ? C'est pour dormir sous tente dans le neige ?
Si tu comptes faire de la rando et camper dans le froid, et/ou en haute altitude, je te conseille quand meme un sac en duvet de bonne qualite avec minimum 800 grammes (voire 900) de duvet a l'interieur (ce qui donne un poids totsl de 1,5 ou 1,6 kg).
Merci de vos réponses ca me fait chaud au cœur! j'y repenserai dans ma tente sous le froid
En effet je me rends compte que les manches c'est pas une très bonne idée!! oui c'est pour le froid et sous la tente... Avec quel sac avoir chaud par -29? telle est la question
En effet je me rends compte que les manches c'est pas une très bonne idée!! oui c'est pour le froid et sous la tente... Avec quel sac avoir chaud par -29? telle est la question
En effet je me rends compte que les manches c'est pas une très bonne idée!!
Il faut surtout pas acheter ce genre de sac de couchage ! C'est totalement inconfortable d'une part parce que tu ne peux pas bouger et d'autre part ce qui permet d'avoir chaud en partie dans un sac de couchage c'est l'air chaud que le corps dégage ( donc l'isolation est importante) Si tu écartes tes bras du corps c'est autant de déperdition de chaleur , de calories...
oui c'est pour le froid et sous la tente... Avec quel sac avoir chaud par -29? telle est la question
il te faut la "grosse artillerie" North Face fait des sacs de couchages extrêmes mais ils sont lourds ( compter 4-6kg ) et très chers Pour les tentes regarder MSR, North Face, Eureka, Hilleberg
Il faut surtout pas acheter ce genre de sac de couchage ! C'est totalement inconfortable d'une part parce que tu ne peux pas bouger et d'autre part ce qui permet d'avoir chaud en partie dans un sac de couchage c'est l'air chaud que le corps dégage ( donc l'isolation est importante) Si tu écartes tes bras du corps c'est autant de déperdition de chaleur , de calories...
oui c'est pour le froid et sous la tente... Avec quel sac avoir chaud par -29? telle est la question
il te faut la "grosse artillerie" North Face fait des sacs de couchages extrêmes mais ils sont lourds ( compter 4-6kg ) et très chers Pour les tentes regarder MSR, North Face, Eureka, Hilleberg
- 29 c'est au dela de mes connaissances. Je ne peux pas aller sous -15 C avec mon sac.
Salut! Le carinthia defence 6 à l'air pas mal pour toi!
En même temps il faut être vraiment con pour aller dormir par -29...
L'équivalent de bonne qualité c'est :
http://www.nunatakusa.com/.../other_bags/raku.htm
Steve Evans ( suluk46) en utilise un.
Cela lui permet de ne pas avoir de vetement de bivouac.
Mathews : au bivouac on utilise les manches, mais pour dormir on les rentre dans le duvet.
Ce n'est pas ce que j'utilise, j'ai un astazou 800 de triple zero , 1,270g de poid théorique, le mien fait un poil moins et je l'ai utilisé confortablement en calecon / T shirt ( en laine quand même )sur une semaine avec des nuits à -15°c à l'intérieur de notre abri ( MSR twin sisters ) Il n'est par contre pas prévu pour -30°C il faut ajouter environ soit environ 200g de duvet soit se couvrir tres chaudement pieds , jambes et torse à l'interieur.
Les autres marques de duvets de bonne qualité ( Valandré, WM, Yeti, PHD etc... ) doivent te permettre de ne pas avoir beaucoup plus lourd.
http://www.nunatakusa.com/.../other_bags/raku.htm
Steve Evans ( suluk46) en utilise un.
Cela lui permet de ne pas avoir de vetement de bivouac.
Mathews : au bivouac on utilise les manches, mais pour dormir on les rentre dans le duvet.
Ce n'est pas ce que j'utilise, j'ai un astazou 800 de triple zero , 1,270g de poid théorique, le mien fait un poil moins et je l'ai utilisé confortablement en calecon / T shirt ( en laine quand même )sur une semaine avec des nuits à -15°c à l'intérieur de notre abri ( MSR twin sisters ) Il n'est par contre pas prévu pour -30°C il faut ajouter environ soit environ 200g de duvet soit se couvrir tres chaudement pieds , jambes et torse à l'interieur.
Les autres marques de duvets de bonne qualité ( Valandré, WM, Yeti, PHD etc... ) doivent te permettre de ne pas avoir beaucoup plus lourd.
Pour completer, si tu as les moyens avec ce genre de sacs :
http://www.valandre.com/product.php?name=odin
ou
http://www.triplezero.fr/ficheprod.php?p=1
tu dors en sous vetements à -30°C
http://www.valandre.com/product.php?name=odin
ou
http://www.triplezero.fr/ficheprod.php?p=1
tu dors en sous vetements à -30°C
Et pour illustrer le duvet avec manches :
http://www.suluk46.com/RandD%20-%20RD11%20Nunatak%20Raku.html
http://www.suluk46.com/RandD%20-%20RD11%20Nunatak%20Raku.html
😉 ça ressemble à une blague !!!🤪
Oui si on ne connait pas l'auteur :)
Il a plus d'expérience que la plupart d'entre nous :
http://pr.chauveau.free.fr/Photos/SpitzExmpl/Spitzberg_1990.html
Et ses réalisations , duvet , combi, tente etc.. sont superbes
http://pr.chauveau.free.fr/Photos/SpitzExmpl/Spitzberg_1990.html
Et ses réalisations , duvet , combi, tente etc.. sont superbes
j'ai regardé le lien : chapeau bas !
lorsque j'ai regardé la construction du "duvet" ça ressemblait beaucoup à une combinaison de ski en fait, un tantinet renforcée , soit !
une de mes amies, coururière de son metier de jeunesse, fabriquait ainsi à sa famille des combi, entièrement pensées par elle, "toile", duvet, formes ect ... du grand top, confort, chaleur, que l'on ne trouvait alors dans aucun magasin (ya 30 ans de ça). mais pas pour des tempréatures extrèmes tout de même...
bon, je reste avec mes modestes performances : je viens seulement de decouvrir les duvets ultra-legers, (faut un debut à tout !!) je viens de m'en offrir (joli petit noel) pour partir dans l'atlas bientot. rien de comparable !
merci pour ces decouvertes.... qui font rêver !
🙂🙂
lorsque j'ai regardé la construction du "duvet" ça ressemblait beaucoup à une combinaison de ski en fait, un tantinet renforcée , soit !
une de mes amies, coururière de son metier de jeunesse, fabriquait ainsi à sa famille des combi, entièrement pensées par elle, "toile", duvet, formes ect ... du grand top, confort, chaleur, que l'on ne trouvait alors dans aucun magasin (ya 30 ans de ça). mais pas pour des tempréatures extrèmes tout de même...
bon, je reste avec mes modestes performances : je viens seulement de decouvrir les duvets ultra-legers, (faut un debut à tout !!) je viens de m'en offrir (joli petit noel) pour partir dans l'atlas bientot. rien de comparable !
merci pour ces decouvertes.... qui font rêver !
🙂🙂
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I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
Hello,
I’ll be in Nepal from March 6th to 29th (we’re flying into Kathmandu via Varanasi and leaving via Delhi).
I’m a bit confused about the regulations requiring a guide.
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
Hello.
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada