Je prépare un voyage d'une semaine au Maroc en 4x4 et après avoir lue pas mal de discussions, il me reste encore quelques points à éclaircir. Cela concerne principalement le trajet de retour d'Ouzina (où nous comptons bivouaquer ) à Zagora par le Tafilalet. Pour le reste avec un peu de lecture sur le forum je trouverais mon bonheur. Qui à déjà fait l'expérience de la kasbah Ouzina (Gîte et/ou bivouac) votre ressenti m'intérèsse ? Peut-on rallier ensuite Zagora dans la journée (en changeant de piste et finissant par la N12) ou me conseillez vous une étape supplémentaire ? Merci .
Taouz-Zagora en 4x4 (Maroc)
by Penelope46
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour
Je prépare un voyage d'une semaine au Maroc en 4x4 et après avoir lue pas mal de discussions, il me reste encore quelques points à éclaircir. Cela concerne principalement le trajet de retour d'Ouzina (où nous comptons bivouaquer ) à Zagora par le Tafilalet. Pour le reste avec un peu de lecture sur le forum je trouverais mon bonheur. Qui à déjà fait l'expérience de la kasbah Ouzina (Gîte et/ou bivouac) votre ressenti m'intérèsse ? Peut-on rallier ensuite Zagora dans la journée (en changeant de piste et finissant par la N12) ou me conseillez vous une étape supplémentaire ? Merci .
Je prépare un voyage d'une semaine au Maroc en 4x4 et après avoir lue pas mal de discussions, il me reste encore quelques points à éclaircir. Cela concerne principalement le trajet de retour d'Ouzina (où nous comptons bivouaquer ) à Zagora par le Tafilalet. Pour le reste avec un peu de lecture sur le forum je trouverais mon bonheur. Qui à déjà fait l'expérience de la kasbah Ouzina (Gîte et/ou bivouac) votre ressenti m'intérèsse ? Peut-on rallier ensuite Zagora dans la journée (en changeant de piste et finissant par la N12) ou me conseillez vous une étape supplémentaire ? Merci .
BONSOIR , après un ensablement de plus de 4 heures !!! sur la piste en partant de TAOUZ , j, ai été aidé par des quads FRANCAIS , et la nuit allait tomber , j, ai bivouacé chez HASSAN qui tien l, auberge bivouac HASSI OUZINA GPS = N° 30 ° 46, 765 W° 004 09, 581 , son auberge est simpa , et les prix plus que corecte , pour la suite de la piste tu peut lui demander conseil , voici son N° ( 212) 67 97 13 03 . Pour infos je séjourne tous les ans dans un petit camping à HASSI LABIAD , c, est à 4 , ou 5 KM à gauche avant MERZOUGA , le camping OCEAN DES DUNES , tenu par les frères OUBADI , des MAROCAINS tres discrèts , j, ai fait le tour des dunes de MERZOUGA , avec leurs conseils . BON VOYAGE . SALUTATIONS
JEANNOT
Merci de la réponse , je note et vais me référer à ces infos.
Quelle galère et angoisse vous avez du connaître...
Elle est aussi difficile que ça cette piste ?
Cdlt
* *** Elle est aussi difficile que ça cette piste ? ***
un chouia, la traversée des oueds Ghéris et des nombreux affluents est très sableuse, et parfois très mou en milieu de journée.
Itinéraire qui nécessite l'habitude de la conduite dans le mou (et ça ne s'apprend pas en 10 mn!!) à éviter absolument aux 4x4 de location, sans plaques , sans sangles, sans pelle, et sans compétences.
Merci de votre réponse, une femme avertie en vaut 2.
Nous ferons preuve d'humilité (comme à la montagne) même si j'ai une petite pratique des pistes sableuses à bien cassantes (Tchad, Cameroun, Zaire) mais pas non plus des tonnes de km. Et c'est vrai que je ne connais pas ces pistes du Sud marocain.
Et votre avis ne fait que corroborer nombres de commentaires qui mettent en garde sur cette partie (vers Remia donc).
Donc je continue de faire le plein de vos infos....
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Claude
Claude
Bonjour,
+ 1 !
Certains passages, en gros jusqu'à Tafraout, sont réputés pour être parfois difficiles;
A Noêl dernier, , avec 2 petits enfants, après infos recueillis auprès de chauffeurs locaux, nous avons jugés préférable de rennoncer.
Mais, un jour, j'irai à "Lost City" et dormir dans la passe de Mharech, Inch'Allah!!
Bonne prépa,
Razul
Bonjour merci de la réponse.
Question, je n'ai pas encore le Gandini ni les cartes détailléss mais je ne vois pas ou c'est Tafraout ?
Vous pourriez me le localiser svp par rapport à Michelin ou Google map ?
Merci
Merci bien.
Bon, va falloir que je me procure les cartes qui vont bien et rapidement si veux continuer à parler concret avec vous tous car pour l'instant je le situe bien sur mais ne le visualise pas 🙂
Bien Cdlt à tous
Bonjour,
Exact, à l'est du "lac" Maidher
Razul
OK, et j'en profite pour vous remercier de votre premier message.
Le lac Maider et l'oasis de Mhaerch ça je vois ou c'est.
J'en profite aussi pour relancer les questions du post, à savoir une idée du temps pour rallier tranquille (et sans plantage...) Ouzina à Zagora ?
Et Ouzina, quelqu'un y a t'il déjà séjourné svp ?
Merci par avance
Claude
bonjour,
il n'y a aucun risque de plantage entre ouzina et zagora, à moins de chercher les zones de dunettes de part et d'autre de la piste. La seule partie un peu sablonneuse étant le passage de l'oued rhésis entre er remlia et ouzina, et encore ce n'est qu'un passage de sable mou. on peut de plus trés bien l'éviter en partant vers le sud et en contournant le village d'er remlia par la gauche et en rejoingnant le village de tafraout au pied du jbel Zireg ( parcours à mon avis plus beau que celui passant par le coin de l'auberge Marech). Faire Ouzina Zagora dans la journée est très possible ( certaines agences 4x4 font même erfoud zagora dans la journée !!!) seulement c'est vraiment dommage de ne pas profiter des paysages et ils sont supers dans le coin !
il n'y a aucun risque de plantage entre ouzina et zagora, à moins de chercher les zones de dunettes de part et d'autre de la piste. La seule partie un peu sablonneuse étant le passage de l'oued rhésis entre er remlia et ouzina, et encore ce n'est qu'un passage de sable mou. on peut de plus trés bien l'éviter en partant vers le sud et en contournant le village d'er remlia par la gauche et en rejoingnant le village de tafraout au pied du jbel Zireg ( parcours à mon avis plus beau que celui passant par le coin de l'auberge Marech). Faire Ouzina Zagora dans la journée est très possible ( certaines agences 4x4 font même erfoud zagora dans la journée !!!) seulement c'est vraiment dommage de ne pas profiter des paysages et ils sont supers dans le coin !
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
Merci beaucoup de votre réponse, en fait je l'attendais , parmi tant d'autres, car je sais pour vous avoir lue que vous connaissez bien ce parcours .
J'étudie la possibilité de le faire en 2 fois mais n'étant pas équipée pour bivouquer il me faudra trouver où manger et dormir (nous sommes 4).
J'avais intitialement envisagé 2 possibilités
- Merzouga/auberge Marech puis marech/ Zagora en 2 jours donc mais hébergement la veille sur Merzouga (désenchanteur ?).
- Ouzina Zagora en une étape avec bivouac à Ouzina (en l'espérant plus "authentique" et calme que sur merzouga)
Je peux aussi envisager une étape quelquepart entre OumJrane et zagora si trop long ? Mais où ?
Alors j'attends vos conseils , adresses, itinéraires avec impatience, ceci étant valable pour tous ceux qui connaissent naturellement.
Merci d'avance
Bonjour 😉
La kasbah Ouzina est très sympa, bonne ambiance, chambres simples, c'est propre, et bons repas. Tu peux y déjeuner le midi en fonction de ton heure de passage sur la piste ou t'installer le soir, .
J'aime bien cet endroit où je m'arrête toujours lorsque je passe par là.
La kasbah Ouzina est très sympa, bonne ambiance, chambres simples, c'est propre, et bons repas. Tu peux y déjeuner le midi en fonction de ton heure de passage sur la piste ou t'installer le soir, .
J'aime bien cet endroit où je m'arrête toujours lorsque je passe par là.
Tout Pays, organisme, ou tribune appliquant la répression, l'exclusion ou la censure est voué à sa propre perte.
Bonsoir
Merci de la réponse je ne doutais pas que la kasbah Ouzina soit accueillante. Par contre si j'y fais halte ce sera éventuellemnt le midi car le parcours est maintenant "ficelé" et nous ferons étape du soir à Tafraout (lac maider) au Dar Lajdoud. Ce sera l'occasion de vous faire un retour d'info sur les hébergements dans ce secteur. Tiens, à propos si quelqu'un connais l'émail de cette auberge, je suis preneuse. En vous remerciant tous, de l'interêt que vous portez à cette discussion. Cordialement
Penelope
Merci de la réponse je ne doutais pas que la kasbah Ouzina soit accueillante. Par contre si j'y fais halte ce sera éventuellemnt le midi car le parcours est maintenant "ficelé" et nous ferons étape du soir à Tafraout (lac maider) au Dar Lajdoud. Ce sera l'occasion de vous faire un retour d'info sur les hébergements dans ce secteur. Tiens, à propos si quelqu'un connais l'émail de cette auberge, je suis preneuse. En vous remerciant tous, de l'interêt que vous portez à cette discussion. Cordialement
Penelope
Bonsoir,
Pour avoir déja fait 4 fois Merzouga - Zagora par cette piste, mes commentaires serait identique à ceux de Perju, ras si on ne va pas dans les zones de dunettes et si il n'y a pas d'eau ds l'oued Rheris (attention au fesh-fesh si c'est très sec au nord d'Ouzina ds le lit de l'oued) et c'est mieux de le faire en 2 jours pour profiter des magnifiques paysages.
Salutations
Bonsoir
Merci de votre réponse qui , puisqu'elle va dans le même sens que monsieur PERJU, me conforte dans notre choix (en 2 jours) et me rassure un peu plus. Bien cordialement
Claude
Merci de votre réponse qui , puisqu'elle va dans le même sens que monsieur PERJU, me conforte dans notre choix (en 2 jours) et me rassure un peu plus. Bien cordialement
Claude
Bonsoir,
Pour ton parcours, je ne sais pas si tu utilises Wikiloc, mais tu as une mine de points GPS sur ce site, par exemple celui là qui passe par Ouzina http://fr.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=1355441
Pour ton parcours, je ne sais pas si tu utilises Wikiloc, mais tu as une mine de points GPS sur ce site, par exemple celui là qui passe par Ouzina http://fr.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=1355441
Tout Pays, organisme, ou tribune appliquant la répression, l'exclusion ou la censure est voué à sa propre perte.
Bonsoir
Quoiqu'il en soit merci de l'info. C'est toujours très plaisant d'avoir des réponses et des conseils. Mais je ne parle pas Espagnol et avoue ne pas tout comprendre dans ces vocabulaires/tracés/cartes/logiciels etc etc. Je vais vous dire ce que j'ai fait à ma façon à moi et à l'ancienne. J'ai fait ma trace sur Google earth avec un point tous les km de Taouz à OumJrane !!! Fastidieux certes, mais j'ai fais des print écran par zone de 10km et j'ai relevé tous les caps de points à points ainsi que toutes les coordonnées GPS de tout ces points. J'ai un vieux Navman totalement imcompatible mais je m'en servirais -éventuellemnt- et en plus de ma boussolle (qui ne m'a jamais perdue) comme positionneur si nécéssaire. Alors je pense que j'ai mille fois plus de chance de crever, de m'ensabler, de me disputer avec mon mari etc ...que de me perdre. Mais je vous renouvelle mon merci pour votre réponse. Bien cordialement
Claude
Quoiqu'il en soit merci de l'info. C'est toujours très plaisant d'avoir des réponses et des conseils. Mais je ne parle pas Espagnol et avoue ne pas tout comprendre dans ces vocabulaires/tracés/cartes/logiciels etc etc. Je vais vous dire ce que j'ai fait à ma façon à moi et à l'ancienne. J'ai fait ma trace sur Google earth avec un point tous les km de Taouz à OumJrane !!! Fastidieux certes, mais j'ai fais des print écran par zone de 10km et j'ai relevé tous les caps de points à points ainsi que toutes les coordonnées GPS de tout ces points. J'ai un vieux Navman totalement imcompatible mais je m'en servirais -éventuellemnt- et en plus de ma boussolle (qui ne m'a jamais perdue) comme positionneur si nécéssaire. Alors je pense que j'ai mille fois plus de chance de crever, de m'ensabler, de me disputer avec mon mari etc ...que de me perdre. Mais je vous renouvelle mon merci pour votre réponse. Bien cordialement
Claude
Bonjour à tous
Le parcours est ficelé, retour d'info pour ceux qui veulent en Mai. Et donc je vous remercie tous pour vos réponses et en profite pour vous présenter nos Meilleurs Voeux. Bien cordialement
Penelope
Le parcours est ficelé, retour d'info pour ceux qui veulent en Mai. Et donc je vous remercie tous pour vos réponses et en profite pour vous présenter nos Meilleurs Voeux. Bien cordialement
Penelope
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For our trip to Georgia in July, I’d like to rent a 4x4 starting from Tbilisi. Do you have any rental companies to recommend? The traditional rentals like Hertz, Avis, etc. seem way overpriced compared to local companies—what do you think? Are they properly insured?
Has anyone here tried Geo Rent Car, Auto 4 Rental, or Sur Price?
Also, I’m looking for info on the condition of the Ushguli–Lentekhi track—is it passable?
Thanks for your tips! Penlan
Hi everyone,
A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
Hi there,
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;) So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals? Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;) So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals? Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
Hello,
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
Hi,
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!