voila 2 semaines que nous sommes en thailande.apres un sejour a bangkok nous avons decide de partir dans le sud, dans les iles pour se reposer. histoire de faire un peu de far niente a la plage, et de decouvrir aussi la thailande et les thailandais. nous avons longtemps hesite sur la destination a prendre entre le cote ko samui, et le cote krabi. on nous a dis que le cote krabi etais le plus epargne par le tourisme de masse que le reste. donc nous avons pris a la gare un billet de train combine a un ticket de bus pour krabi. ca s est gate au sortir du train ou nous avons ete etiquetes diriges dans des betailleres a touristes. des cars climatises. les seuls thailandais etaient le chauffeur et les hotesses d acceuil. on nous a debarques dans une gare routiere exlusivement reservee aux touristes... nous nous sommes rendus a ao nang par un bus public pris dans la rue. et la ... stupeur les constructions trop pres de la plage, le trafic et la route a 50m de la mer... et de nouveau le parc a touriste presque exclusivement. apres nous avons decide de fuir a ko phi phi. donc on a achete un ticket de bateau, et de nouveau que des blancs sur ce bateau. (betaillere a touristes). comment se deplacent les thailandais? est il possible de voyager un peu plus autentiquement que etiquete entasses par couleur? arrives a ko phi phi, la c et le couronnement. les seuls thai que nous avons vu pour le mmoment ce sont ceux qui sont au service du tourime. on se marche dessus sur les plages, ou du moins ce qu il ebn reste. tout est tellement construit ou en construction. tous les 10m des boutiques salons de massage restos et j en passe. et le bizness padi. ou est passee la thailande? c est la premiere fois que nous y mettons les pieds. bien sur nous sommes aussi des touristes qui viennent encore gonfler ce flot deja hallucinant.mais la bon trop c est trop. y a t il encore un endroit autentique dans le sud? je me suis laissee dire que le nord etais encore epargne. ou aller pour echapper a ca? est il trop tard pour la thailande? quel gachi... merci d avance pour vos reactions
Thaïlande: parc à touristes...
by Chimeeer
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour,
voila 2 semaines que nous sommes en thailande.apres un sejour a bangkok nous avons decide de partir dans le sud, dans les iles pour se reposer. histoire de faire un peu de far niente a la plage, et de decouvrir aussi la thailande et les thailandais. nous avons longtemps hesite sur la destination a prendre entre le cote ko samui, et le cote krabi. on nous a dis que le cote krabi etais le plus epargne par le tourisme de masse que le reste. donc nous avons pris a la gare un billet de train combine a un ticket de bus pour krabi. ca s est gate au sortir du train ou nous avons ete etiquetes diriges dans des betailleres a touristes. des cars climatises. les seuls thailandais etaient le chauffeur et les hotesses d acceuil. on nous a debarques dans une gare routiere exlusivement reservee aux touristes... nous nous sommes rendus a ao nang par un bus public pris dans la rue. et la ... stupeur les constructions trop pres de la plage, le trafic et la route a 50m de la mer... et de nouveau le parc a touriste presque exclusivement. apres nous avons decide de fuir a ko phi phi. donc on a achete un ticket de bateau, et de nouveau que des blancs sur ce bateau. (betaillere a touristes). comment se deplacent les thailandais? est il possible de voyager un peu plus autentiquement que etiquete entasses par couleur? arrives a ko phi phi, la c et le couronnement. les seuls thai que nous avons vu pour le mmoment ce sont ceux qui sont au service du tourime. on se marche dessus sur les plages, ou du moins ce qu il ebn reste. tout est tellement construit ou en construction. tous les 10m des boutiques salons de massage restos et j en passe. et le bizness padi. ou est passee la thailande? c est la premiere fois que nous y mettons les pieds. bien sur nous sommes aussi des touristes qui viennent encore gonfler ce flot deja hallucinant.mais la bon trop c est trop. y a t il encore un endroit autentique dans le sud? je me suis laissee dire que le nord etais encore epargne. ou aller pour echapper a ca? est il trop tard pour la thailande? quel gachi... merci d avance pour vos reactions
voila 2 semaines que nous sommes en thailande.apres un sejour a bangkok nous avons decide de partir dans le sud, dans les iles pour se reposer. histoire de faire un peu de far niente a la plage, et de decouvrir aussi la thailande et les thailandais. nous avons longtemps hesite sur la destination a prendre entre le cote ko samui, et le cote krabi. on nous a dis que le cote krabi etais le plus epargne par le tourisme de masse que le reste. donc nous avons pris a la gare un billet de train combine a un ticket de bus pour krabi. ca s est gate au sortir du train ou nous avons ete etiquetes diriges dans des betailleres a touristes. des cars climatises. les seuls thailandais etaient le chauffeur et les hotesses d acceuil. on nous a debarques dans une gare routiere exlusivement reservee aux touristes... nous nous sommes rendus a ao nang par un bus public pris dans la rue. et la ... stupeur les constructions trop pres de la plage, le trafic et la route a 50m de la mer... et de nouveau le parc a touriste presque exclusivement. apres nous avons decide de fuir a ko phi phi. donc on a achete un ticket de bateau, et de nouveau que des blancs sur ce bateau. (betaillere a touristes). comment se deplacent les thailandais? est il possible de voyager un peu plus autentiquement que etiquete entasses par couleur? arrives a ko phi phi, la c et le couronnement. les seuls thai que nous avons vu pour le mmoment ce sont ceux qui sont au service du tourime. on se marche dessus sur les plages, ou du moins ce qu il ebn reste. tout est tellement construit ou en construction. tous les 10m des boutiques salons de massage restos et j en passe. et le bizness padi. ou est passee la thailande? c est la premiere fois que nous y mettons les pieds. bien sur nous sommes aussi des touristes qui viennent encore gonfler ce flot deja hallucinant.mais la bon trop c est trop. y a t il encore un endroit autentique dans le sud? je me suis laissee dire que le nord etais encore epargne. ou aller pour echapper a ca? est il trop tard pour la thailande? quel gachi... merci d avance pour vos reactions
Bonjour!!!!
tu es etonné de cela 😉
vas au LAOS ou au Viet-nam ou au Cambodge!!!!!🙂
tu es etonné de cela 😉
vas au LAOS ou au Viet-nam ou au Cambodge!!!!!🙂
Tant que la couleur de la peau sera plus importante que la couleur des yeux, nous ne connaitrons pas la paix.
ou est passee la thailande?
Comment peut-on parler d'un pays presque aussi grand que la France en ayant visité quelques KM. je crois que il y a la pays rêver et la réalité, si on prende les autoroutes on trouve les touristes, c'est aussi simples que cela. Est ce qu'un anglais allant à Gstaad, Zermatt ou St Moritz va se plaindre qu'il y a trop de touristes en Suisse ? A force de voir des reportages sur des tribus et d'autres endroits de Thailande on finit par croire que tout le pays est désertique. Mais avec environ 14 millions de touristes par année cela fait du monde et beaucoup veulent aller au même endroit. Moi j'aime où il y a du monde, mais si on veut des coins tranquilles il faut soit faire des recherches avant ou partir seul avec les moyens de transports locaux, ils existent.
Comment peut-on parler d'un pays presque aussi grand que la France en ayant visité quelques KM. je crois que il y a la pays rêver et la réalité, si on prende les autoroutes on trouve les touristes, c'est aussi simples que cela. Est ce qu'un anglais allant à Gstaad, Zermatt ou St Moritz va se plaindre qu'il y a trop de touristes en Suisse ? A force de voir des reportages sur des tribus et d'autres endroits de Thailande on finit par croire que tout le pays est désertique. Mais avec environ 14 millions de touristes par année cela fait du monde et beaucoup veulent aller au même endroit. Moi j'aime où il y a du monde, mais si on veut des coins tranquilles il faut soit faire des recherches avant ou partir seul avec les moyens de transports locaux, ils existent.
Les grands voyageurs sont ceux qui se perdent
Que dire???... qu'en suivant les autoroutes touristiques on rencontre d'autres touristes? ca parait banal mais c'est la réalité...en plus c'est un peu exagéré, quand on prend le bus ou les navettes pour krabi ou kho phi phi, il y a aussi des thais...ils vont pas aller chez eux a la nage quand même 😉
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Excuse moi mais tu te definis comme quoi? tu faisais partie de ces touristes, non?
ericetstella
Un petit conseil, il faut juste se renseigner auparavant (le forum est fait pour ca d'ailleurs 😉)...quand tu sais ce que tu vas voir tu n'est pas decu, par exemple si tu vas faire un jungle treck a Chiang Mai, te prends pas pour Indiana Jones, tu seras pas seule dans la jungle...y a pas plus touristique, mais si tu le sais tu y prends plaisir et tu rigoles bien quand même 😏
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
certe... certe....
on a rencontre une personne qui connais bien notament ko phi phi, ca fait quelques fois qu elle y viens, et elle etais egalement hallucinee, de l ampleur que ca a pris en une annee notament au niveau constructions...
on ne dis pas que l experience est la somme des erreurs qu on accumule?😉
Salut,
t'aurais du aller plus au sud encore ou tout au nord, je te conseil de tester le bus Chiang Sean, Chiang Rai à 36THB, et tu verra si y a que des touristes dans le bus!!!!🙂
A+ et bonne fin de séjour quand meme😎
A+ et bonne fin de séjour quand meme😎
Un voyage de mille lis a commencé par un pas. (Lao-Tseu ; 1 lis=ancienne mesure chinoise équivalente a 576m définie des la dynastie Qin, mais qui variait selon la région et l'époque, valeur actuelle 500m, le li est une mesure coréenne d'environ 3920m)
pour les pti curieux!!! le chien subliminaleeu
Mais je te comprend et c'est pour cela que je n'aime pas tellement Phi Phi et que je n'ai pas envie d'aller a Krabi (dsl Henri 😉) mais je vais tout de même a Phuket qui est loin d' être un désert mais ou on peut trouver des endroits sympas en cherchant un peu et en s'éloignant un peu des autoroutes 🙂
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Allez visiter le nord-est, en Isan et là vous serez dépaysés. Il y a des très beaux sites archélogiques de temples Kmer de la période d'Ankor à visiter.
J'y suis allé à quelques reprises en bus et en train, à toutes les fois j'étais le seul occidentale à bord. Dans les villages ou je suis allé, encore là j'étais le seul occidental, alors oui ça éxiste la Thaïlande sans les hordes de touristes. J'ai visité le Prasat Phnom Rung, un temple Kmer de la période Ankor au sommet d'un volcan éteint dans la province de Buriram et j'étais le seul occidental parmis les visiteurs.
Cependant, vous devrez-vous munir du carte géographique avec les noms en Thaï et en Anglais ainsi qu'un dico Français Thaï ou Anglais Thaï car à beaucoup d'endroits personne ne parle autre chose que le Thaï.
Pas de crainte pour visiter ce coin du pays, les gens sont très acceuillants.
J'y suis allé à quelques reprises en bus et en train, à toutes les fois j'étais le seul occidentale à bord. Dans les villages ou je suis allé, encore là j'étais le seul occidental, alors oui ça éxiste la Thaïlande sans les hordes de touristes. J'ai visité le Prasat Phnom Rung, un temple Kmer de la période Ankor au sommet d'un volcan éteint dans la province de Buriram et j'étais le seul occidental parmis les visiteurs.
Cependant, vous devrez-vous munir du carte géographique avec les noms en Thaï et en Anglais ainsi qu'un dico Français Thaï ou Anglais Thaï car à beaucoup d'endroits personne ne parle autre chose que le Thaï.
Pas de crainte pour visiter ce coin du pays, les gens sont très acceuillants.
Louis Paquet
Re Boumba,
je t'assure que c'est pas si horrible que ça Krabi, vasi en mai et franchement, c'est tranquille!!!!
J'ai passé une soirée a Krabi town et on était que 2 blancs!!! et sur Aonang des hotels étaient meme pas ouvert!!! un kayak et tu trouve ta plage pour toi tout seul🙂(ou pour vous 2😛)!!!
et Henri doit en avoir des plans tranquille!!!
et Henri doit en avoir des plans tranquille!!!
Un voyage de mille lis a commencé par un pas. (Lao-Tseu ; 1 lis=ancienne mesure chinoise équivalente a 576m définie des la dynastie Qin, mais qui variait selon la région et l'époque, valeur actuelle 500m, le li est une mesure coréenne d'environ 3920m)
pour les pti curieux!!! le chien subliminaleeu
Hé oui, bientôt j'y serai 😛 plus que 40 jours...😉 faudra que je perfectionne mon Issan car je suis pas sur que mon "im pai?....im leo" suffira 😄😏😏 mais koye mak ili Issan d'avance 😉
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Je viens de lire toute la discussion et je suis assez surprise. Nous avons passé 2 semaines en novembre 2006. Nous sommes partis de Bangkok rapidement pour descendre à TRANG. Presque pas de touristes, nous avons pris un taxi collectif bourré de Thaillandais, nous avons pris un longboat pour aller sur une île avec un scooter, une télévision(grand écran) et une famille thai. Et là nous sommes arrivés dans un resort ou nous étions LES SEULS CLIENTS. Bien sur tous les plats n'était pas disponibles, mais quel bonheur. Alors effectivement il y a beaucoup de touristes, mais on sort assez facilement des sentiers battus et pour faire des rencontres incroyables. Ce peuple était tellement acceuillant que nous nous sommes laissés portés par leur sourire.
fafa
Comment as-tu préparé ton voyage? Phi Phi c'est un peu comme St-Trop en juillet-août. Et encore t'as de la chance, novembre c'est assez calme...
Prend un bateau, viens sur Phuket, du côté de Nai Thon (au nord, pas très loin de l'aéroport), t'auras une jolie plage et pas trop de touristes.
"There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way" Buddha
"Le vrai voyageur n'a pas de plan établi et n'a pas l'intention d'arriver" Lao Tseu
Ma suggestion, bateau retour Krabi, puis bus jusqu'à Trang, de là, bateaux sur les iles, et vous êtes sauvés.
merci pour vos message a tous, je prend bonne note, on va bouger de la, mais pas trop loin, notre timing est un peu court. peut etre raileh effectivement. je vous souhaite une bonne fin de soiree.
merci pour vos message a tous, je prend bonne note, on va bouger de la, mais pas trop loin, notre timing est un peu court. peut etre raileh effectivement. je vous souhaite une bonne fin de soiree.

Quand l'eau baisse les fourmis mangent les poissons; quand l'eau monte les poissons mangent les fourmis.
Il n'y a que le changement qui ne change pas.
Salut Louis, je vais au Nord près du Laos a Udon Thani et environs...😎
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Oui, même que Boumbastic y va en Pick Up à la saison des pluies...😉


Quand l'eau baisse les fourmis mangent les poissons; quand l'eau monte les poissons mangent les fourmis.
Il n'y a que le changement qui ne change pas.
Bonjour,
L'erreur, vous l'avez commise à BKK... si vous prenez des agences pour gérer tous vos petits problèmes d'intendance, voilà ce qui arrive...etiquettés et "charriés" comme du bétail...c'est pas spécifique à la Thaïlande et en France c'est exactement pareil dans tous les lieux touristiques réputés.
Petite suggestion pour la prochaine fois: Arrivé à Suvarnabhumi, vous louez une voiture, achetez un plan de BKK et prenez la route de l'Est direction Nakhom Ratchasima (Korat) 270 km environ qui vont vous donner un avant gout de la vrai Thaïlande...pour trouver votre chemin lorsque vous serez perdu, vous trouverez toujours un vrai Thaïlandais qui vous expliquera tout (en Thaï bien sur)..repérez bien les N° des routes sur la carte, car nombre d'indications sont en Thaï et pas en anglais). Plein de splendeurs à découvrir dans cette ville, (n'hésitez pas à demander à la population locale qui est authentique donc très chaleureuse) Dan Kwian (village de potiers), Pak Thon Chaï (travail artisanal de la soie, avec presque 200 ateliers de fabrication), Pimaï, l'Angkor Vat de la Thaïlande témoignage exceptionnel de l'architecture Khmère en Thaïlande. Ensuite reprenez la route vers Surin...en ce moment, il y a la fête des éléphants, à ne pas manquer, mais là malheureusement vous allez rencontrer des falangs, soit des expatriés ou pire pour vous, des touristes...mais rassurez-vous pas d'étiquettage. Ensuite, direction Ubon Ratchathani (560km de BKK) en ne manquant pas de vous arrêter à Buriram, Sisaket, etc... de vraies villes Thaïlandaises où l'on ne parle que très peu l'anglais...faites des stop dans les villages, admirez les rizières, respectez les Buffalos, chiens et poules lorsqu'ils traversent la route et adaptez-vous au style de conduite des Thaï...en I-ssan, immersion totale garantie dans la vraie Thaïlande...on aime ou on n'aime pas, après on s'exprime!!!
Arrivé à Ubon, vous aurez la possibilité de reprendre un avion pour BKK tous les jours (Thaï Airways/Air Asia et depuis peu Nok Air) car je doute que vous ayez envie de faire le retour par la route où même par le train.
Voila voila..., après vous me direz si la Thaïlande n'est qu'un parc à touristes😠 ...(insupportable d'entendre de tels commentaires généralistes de la part de personnes qui n'ont rien vu ou presque, du pays qu'ils visitent)
L'erreur, vous l'avez commise à BKK... si vous prenez des agences pour gérer tous vos petits problèmes d'intendance, voilà ce qui arrive...etiquettés et "charriés" comme du bétail...c'est pas spécifique à la Thaïlande et en France c'est exactement pareil dans tous les lieux touristiques réputés.
Petite suggestion pour la prochaine fois: Arrivé à Suvarnabhumi, vous louez une voiture, achetez un plan de BKK et prenez la route de l'Est direction Nakhom Ratchasima (Korat) 270 km environ qui vont vous donner un avant gout de la vrai Thaïlande...pour trouver votre chemin lorsque vous serez perdu, vous trouverez toujours un vrai Thaïlandais qui vous expliquera tout (en Thaï bien sur)..repérez bien les N° des routes sur la carte, car nombre d'indications sont en Thaï et pas en anglais). Plein de splendeurs à découvrir dans cette ville, (n'hésitez pas à demander à la population locale qui est authentique donc très chaleureuse) Dan Kwian (village de potiers), Pak Thon Chaï (travail artisanal de la soie, avec presque 200 ateliers de fabrication), Pimaï, l'Angkor Vat de la Thaïlande témoignage exceptionnel de l'architecture Khmère en Thaïlande. Ensuite reprenez la route vers Surin...en ce moment, il y a la fête des éléphants, à ne pas manquer, mais là malheureusement vous allez rencontrer des falangs, soit des expatriés ou pire pour vous, des touristes...mais rassurez-vous pas d'étiquettage. Ensuite, direction Ubon Ratchathani (560km de BKK) en ne manquant pas de vous arrêter à Buriram, Sisaket, etc... de vraies villes Thaïlandaises où l'on ne parle que très peu l'anglais...faites des stop dans les villages, admirez les rizières, respectez les Buffalos, chiens et poules lorsqu'ils traversent la route et adaptez-vous au style de conduite des Thaï...en I-ssan, immersion totale garantie dans la vraie Thaïlande...on aime ou on n'aime pas, après on s'exprime!!!
Arrivé à Ubon, vous aurez la possibilité de reprendre un avion pour BKK tous les jours (Thaï Airways/Air Asia et depuis peu Nok Air) car je doute que vous ayez envie de faire le retour par la route où même par le train.
Voila voila..., après vous me direz si la Thaïlande n'est qu'un parc à touristes😠 ...(insupportable d'entendre de tels commentaires généralistes de la part de personnes qui n'ont rien vu ou presque, du pays qu'ils visitent)
Où est passé la Thailande ?
Mais c'est la Thailande, c'est juste que ce n'est pas celle que tu t'es imaginé avant de partir. Tu es allé dans les coins les plus touristiques, donc rien d'étonnant, ça ne pouvait pas en être autrement.
Il reste quand même 95% du pays épargné par le tourisme...donc ta prochaine fois sera meilleure.
Mais il faut bien se rendre compte d'une chose, si on veut aller là où il n'y a pas de touristes, il faut aussi se rendre compte que peu ou personne ne parlera anglais, il faudra louer une voiture, il faudra accepter de loger dans des hotels non standardisés, tu verras moins de choses car il n'y aura pas de guide pour t'aider, ton Lonely Planet ne te sera d'aucun secours, il faudra manger local, etc.......
Donc quand on recherche les coins sans touristes, il faut bien réaliser ce que ça entraine comme conséquence...et pour ne rien te cacher je connais peu de gens prêts à s'aventurer dans la campagne Thai, sans parler Thai, sans guide, et au "risque" de passer plus de temps à trouver son chemin qu'à voir les plages où les monuments.....au risque aussi de ne pas "réussir" ses vacances de 2 semaines qu'on attend depuis des mois.
Mais c'est la Thailande, c'est juste que ce n'est pas celle que tu t'es imaginé avant de partir. Tu es allé dans les coins les plus touristiques, donc rien d'étonnant, ça ne pouvait pas en être autrement.
Il reste quand même 95% du pays épargné par le tourisme...donc ta prochaine fois sera meilleure.
Mais il faut bien se rendre compte d'une chose, si on veut aller là où il n'y a pas de touristes, il faut aussi se rendre compte que peu ou personne ne parlera anglais, il faudra louer une voiture, il faudra accepter de loger dans des hotels non standardisés, tu verras moins de choses car il n'y aura pas de guide pour t'aider, ton Lonely Planet ne te sera d'aucun secours, il faudra manger local, etc.......
Donc quand on recherche les coins sans touristes, il faut bien réaliser ce que ça entraine comme conséquence...et pour ne rien te cacher je connais peu de gens prêts à s'aventurer dans la campagne Thai, sans parler Thai, sans guide, et au "risque" de passer plus de temps à trouver son chemin qu'à voir les plages où les monuments.....au risque aussi de ne pas "réussir" ses vacances de 2 semaines qu'on attend depuis des mois.
Salut
tu peux toujours aller à Kho tao ou à Kho phang nan, c'est beaucoup plus calme que PhiPhi
à Tao tu peux t'installer à Hin Wong Bay tu ne seras absolument pas gené par les touristes
Bye Alain
N'es pa béù qu'es béù, es béù so qu'agrada!
traduction pour les nons provencaux :n'est pas beau ce qui est beau , est beau ce qu'on aime !
traduction pour les nons provencaux :n'est pas beau ce qui est beau , est beau ce qu'on aime !
Re salut Chimeeer
Je t'envoi une photo d'Hin wong bay
N'es pa béù qu'es béù, es béù so qu'agrada!
traduction pour les nons provencaux :n'est pas beau ce qui est beau , est beau ce qu'on aime !
traduction pour les nons provencaux :n'est pas beau ce qui est beau , est beau ce qu'on aime !
Salut Issan, c'est sur que dans la région dont tu parles (que je connais un peu ayant une maison à Chokchai, le village après Dan Kwian) il n'y a pas bcp de touristes (ni même d'expats) mais franchement y a pas grand chose à voir non plus. Les splendeurs de Korat, mouais... Elle a beau être la 2ème plus grande ville du pays, on ne peut pas dire qu'elle regorge d'intérêts. Du moins pas plus que n'importe quelle autre grande ville thaïe. Ok, Phimai mérite le détour mais pas de quoi y rester 3 jours non plus, du moins pour un touriste lambda.
Ceci dit, j'aime bien venir m'y ressourcer de temps en temps mais pas trop souvent et surtout pas trop longtemps...
Il faut quand même reconnaître que pour un touriste qui vient pour la première fois en Thaïlande et seulement 2 semaines, il y a d'autres destinations qui peuvent montrer plus d'intérêts. Sans parler du fait que bcp de gens ont envie de faire du balnéaire et qu'en Isan c'est pas vraiment l'idéal... Evidemment ces endroits où la concentration de choses à voir ou à faire est plus importante attirent immanquablement plus de touristes. Et comme bcp de touristes ne vont que dans ces endroits, ils ont l'impression que toute la Thaïlande est un parc à touristes. Ne soyons pas trop durs à l'égard de ceux qui pêchent par ignorance.
Il faut quand même reconnaître que pour un touriste qui vient pour la première fois en Thaïlande et seulement 2 semaines, il y a d'autres destinations qui peuvent montrer plus d'intérêts. Sans parler du fait que bcp de gens ont envie de faire du balnéaire et qu'en Isan c'est pas vraiment l'idéal... Evidemment ces endroits où la concentration de choses à voir ou à faire est plus importante attirent immanquablement plus de touristes. Et comme bcp de touristes ne vont que dans ces endroits, ils ont l'impression que toute la Thaïlande est un parc à touristes. Ne soyons pas trop durs à l'égard de ceux qui pêchent par ignorance.
"There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way" Buddha
"Le vrai voyageur n'a pas de plan établi et n'a pas l'intention d'arriver" Lao Tseu
Tu es toujours à Phi Phi ? Alors voila ce que tu vas faire : prendre un taxi boat pour Long Beach. Aller au bout de Long Beach marcher 5 minutes et arriver à Lomudee. Tu auras 800 mètres de plage pour toi tout seul. Allez vous serez peut être quatre de plus... Ensuite tu peux aller à Riuntee, a Hat Paknam, a Laem Tong, le tout sur Phi Phi et cela m'étonnerait que tu te fasses marcher sur les pieds. Y compris à Tonsai, traverse la bande de terre en face de la jetee, arrive sur l'autre plage (Lohdalum et tourne à gauche, tu auras quatre cent mètres de plage pour toi..; Ils sont sous entassés en face des restes de Charlie... Quant à la construction, ça me file envie de pleurer ceux qui te disent que ça s'est construit depuis quelques années; Si tu savais le nombre bâtiments détruits par le tsunami. Moins ede la moitié ont été reconstruits. Dernière chose, va à Krabi Town, tu verras deux étrangers dans la journée ou sinon prend un bus dans n'importe quelle direction fais 20 km et tu arriveras dans un village ou le dernier étranger est passé en 1967....
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
Ca c'est bien aussi. Alors voila une jolie histoire : il y a 25 ans environ, pas plus de trois familles n'habitaient sur Phi Phi et encore temporairement. le temps de venir récolter les noix de coco, de cajou, de pécher un peu. Quatre ou cinq mois par an, les gitans de la mer (Chao Lé) venaient y établir leurs campements; Aujourd'hui, les seul thais que tu vas rencontrer sont ceux qui vivent du tourisme bien sur. Ils sont à peu prés 2000 maintenant et pour la plupart venus du continent et de Koh Yao. C'est comme si tu allais à Porquerolles pour aller à la rencontre du peuple français. Cela dit, ces thais qui vivent du tourisme ont un avantage : ils peuvent communiquer un petit peu en anglais. car si le but est d'aller au contact des populations locales, je me demande en quelle langue vous allez le faire à Ao Luk, Chonabot, ou Baan Sak....
arrives a ko phi phi, la c et le couronnement. les seuls thai que nous avons vu pour le mmoment ce sont ceux qui sont au service du tourime.
arrives a ko phi phi, la c et le couronnement. les seuls thai que nous avons vu pour le mmoment ce sont ceux qui sont au service du tourime.
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
Magnifique la photo, ça donne envie !!
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Celui qui pose une question risque cinq minutes d'avoir l'air bête. Celui qui ne pose pas de question restera bête toute sa vie.
Paix et tranquillité, voilà le bonheur.
Celui qui pose une question risque cinq minutes d'avoir l'air bête. Celui qui ne pose pas de question restera bête toute sa vie.
Paix et tranquillité, voilà le bonheur.
😏😏😏😏😏 Je suppose que la construction que l'on voit sur la photo n'a rien à voir avec le tourisme😏😏😏😏😏😏😏 Je reconnais là un village thaï traditionnel....😏😏😏😏 Désolé, il faut que j'aille fermer le parc à touristes. J'ai deux touristes qui se sont échappés... Ils ont pas ces problèmes à Phuket.... Nous à Krabi c'est l'enfer...🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
Tres jolie photo en effet, pas comme Cavalaire (d'ou tu viens si je lis bien et que je connais bien) vu qu'on parle de parc a touriste, le bétonnage a bien fonctionné, c'était pourtant une jolie petite ville il y a 20 ans avant qu'ils construisent la marina qui a détruit les plages et les palmiers 🙁🤪

Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
apres nous avons decide de fuir a ko phi phi.
J'espère au moins que vous vous êtes fait des amis allemands, australiens ou anglais😄C'est toujours utile pour perfectionner son anglais, les parcs à touristes thailandais. La prochaine fois vous saurez...La Thaïlande a mieux à proposer mais il faut aussi se donner les moyens .Evitez donc les cartes postales.
J'espère au moins que vous vous êtes fait des amis allemands, australiens ou anglais😄C'est toujours utile pour perfectionner son anglais, les parcs à touristes thailandais. La prochaine fois vous saurez...La Thaïlande a mieux à proposer mais il faut aussi se donner les moyens .Evitez donc les cartes postales.
Par la aussi c'est pas touristique http://thailand.sawadee.com/petchabun/ à 350 km au nord de Bangkok une petite halte pour profiter du paysage exceptionnel qu'offrent les collines de cette région, un climat frais, de magnifiques forets de bambous, un cadre verdoyant loin des usines à touristes, quelques parcs à visiter, le tout pas bien loin de Phitsanolok qui peut éventuellement faire l'étape suivante😉
Par la aussi c'est pas touristique http://thailand.sawadee.com/petchabun/ à 350 km au nord de Bangkok une petite halte pour profiter du paysage exceptionnel qu'offrent les collines de cette région, un climat frais, de magnifiques forets de bambous, un cadre verdoyant loin des usines à touristes, quelques parcs à visiter, le tout pas bien loin de Phitsanolok qui peut éventuellement faire l'étape suivante😉
Merci 😎 c'est noté...sur mon carnet de route.
Merci 😎 c'est noté...sur mon carnet de route.
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Pas de touristes..???? Peut etre... sur les bords du Lac Léman..!!!!!!!
Cordialement,
J-Pierre
J-Pierre
C'est une blague? 😉 en hiver peut-être mais en été c'est bondé 😛
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
je viens du fond de ma province..... sud est de la France....!!
mais ça m'énerve de lire certains trucs...!!!! quand on est touriste soi-meme.... et si on ne veut pas en voir d'autres...... difficile..?? on reste chez soi...!!!! ok..?? qu'en penses tu..?? ...lol... (tout ça dans la bonne humeur...)
Cordialement,
J-Pierre
J-Pierre
Pas de souci jean pierre 😉 on vient tous du fin fond de sa province et on est tous des touristes en goguettes, moi je m'en plains pas si tu as bien tout lu depuis le début et ne fais que répondre a certaines affirmations 😛 alors t'énerves pas 😄😏😏
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
je ne m'enrve pas... mais justement, quand tu lis le message du "petit suisse".... lol.... c'est comme si nous, on disait qu'il y a trop de monde au bord du lac léman..!!!ok..?? quand une ville ou un pays vit du tourisme.... si on ne veut pas en voir.. on va ailleurs..!!!! mais on ne critique pas;..!! c'est ce que je voulais dire;.!!!
Cordialement,
J-Pierre
J-Pierre
Je pense en lisant le post de chimeeer qu'elle n'a rien contre les touristes s'affirmant tel quel, cette personne a voulu, à sa façon( peut-etre maladroite )exprimer sa déception et le désir de découvrir des endroits moins surfaits, bondés et bétonnés, essayons de par notre experience mutuelle de l'y aider😉
C'est certain que son étonnement est surprenant, au vu des endroits indiqués il ne faut pas s'attendre à l'ambiance de l'Isan, la Thailande n'est pas un parc à touristes mais elle vit en partie de l'affluence de ces derniers...grand bien lui fasse😎
et tu arriveras dans un village ou le dernier étranger est passé en 1967....
c'est qui, c'est Jim Thompson ? 😉
c'est qui, c'est Jim Thompson ? 😉
Quand l'eau baisse les fourmis mangent les poissons; quand l'eau monte les poissons mangent les fourmis.
Il n'y a que le changement qui ne change pas.
Encore un qui ne lit pas VF, et qui suit les guides comme des moutons,
bien oui il y a des touristes, mais uniquement comme le dit khun Boum, sur l'autoroute touristique, par contre si on se donne la peine, on vois un autre visage de la Thailande,
Personnellement j'ai ete dans des coins, ou même le thai n'était pas parlé🤪, ( le karen ) du cotée frontière Birmane,
Pour les amateurs de sensations forte, essayer de faire la traverser, kan .mae sot,
voir, , la carte, , sa vous changeras de phi phi,


« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Salut !
pour répondre à ton message, j'ai été moi-meme aussi étonné de toute l'infrastructure mise en place pour conduire les farangs aux differentes iles ... Ca peut etre un enfer pour un "routard" pur jus, cependant avoir la liberté de voyager aussi simplement c'est quand meme un gros point positif car meme ma grand mere pourrait se debrouiller facilement la bas .
D'autre part quand je suis allé à koh samui il y avait pas mal de Thai sur le bateau ( qui ne payent pas le meme prix du ticket il faut le signaler ) .
Ce qui m'a le plus ecoeuré c'est plutot la premiere vision que j'ai eu en arrivant le soir a Chaweng . J'ai discuté avec un expat francais qui n'a pas manqué de me faire la lecon sur les Thai et m'indiquant les meilleures boites a prostititués.
Le lendemain j'ai pris direct un ticket pour Koh Phangan et je me suis arrété sur une plage au nord ou une famille Thai tenait un petit resort bien charmant . J'etais le seul farang avec un couple d'anglais tres sympa . La je me suis senti bien, loin de la fievre touristique .
Si tu te donnes les moyens tu peux trouver des endroits quand meme bien tranquille, du moins pour le moment .
Si tu te donnes les moyens tu peux trouver des endroits quand meme bien tranquille, du moins pour le moment .
Personnellement j'ai ete dans des coins, ou même le thai n'était pas parlé🤪, ( le karen ) du cotée frontière Birmane,
Pour les amateurs de sensations forte, essayer de faire la traverser, kan .mae sot,
voir, , la carte, , sa vous changeras de phi phi,
Quand l'eau baisse les fourmis mangent les poissons; quand l'eau monte les poissons mangent les fourmis.
Il n'y a que le changement qui ne change pas.
à mon avis:
moi je vis à la campagne et bien en vacances j'aime bien quand il y a beaucoup de monde
c'est plus vivant
nous aimons beaucoup ko phi phi
quand un endoit est beau ; il y a beaucoup de touristes ; c'est normal
à signaler qu' au nord est de l' ile ; il existe des plages quasi désertiques il faut juste marcher un peu
à signaler qu' au nord est de l' ile ; il existe des plages quasi désertiques il faut juste marcher un peu
MDR 😉
c'est très très drôle, il est normal que toutes les îles du sud ouest soient saturées vu que de toute façon dans la tête de la majorité des gens
il n'y a que phuket, krabi, koh pi pi, etc etc .
Les gens vont là car leurs amis ou proches ou connaissances leur ont dit d'aller là.
Cela fait tellement tendance de dire qu'on est allé sur une île dont tout le monde connaît le nom;
il y a plein d'autres îles en thailande tout aussi jolies et paradisiaques mais avec des noms inconnus ou très peu connus.
donc si vous revenez en france et que vous en parlez, votre récit fabuleux de voyage tombera le bec dans l'eau vu que les gens n'auront pas leur image d'épinal gravé dans la tête.
le touriste appelle le touriste, les îles sont défigurées mais les gens continuent d'y aller ( tourisme de masse )
Après, à vous de sortir des sentiers battus, quoi que, en fin de compte, je préfère que les gens continuent d'aller dans ces endroits comme cela ils foutent la paix aux autres.😠
c'est très très drôle, il est normal que toutes les îles du sud ouest soient saturées vu que de toute façon dans la tête de la majorité des gens
il n'y a que phuket, krabi, koh pi pi, etc etc .
Les gens vont là car leurs amis ou proches ou connaissances leur ont dit d'aller là.
Cela fait tellement tendance de dire qu'on est allé sur une île dont tout le monde connaît le nom;
il y a plein d'autres îles en thailande tout aussi jolies et paradisiaques mais avec des noms inconnus ou très peu connus.
donc si vous revenez en france et que vous en parlez, votre récit fabuleux de voyage tombera le bec dans l'eau vu que les gens n'auront pas leur image d'épinal gravé dans la tête.
le touriste appelle le touriste, les îles sont défigurées mais les gens continuent d'y aller ( tourisme de masse )
Après, à vous de sortir des sentiers battus, quoi que, en fin de compte, je préfère que les gens continuent d'aller dans ces endroits comme cela ils foutent la paix aux autres.😠
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Je n ai pas trouvé d infos récentes sur Kuching
Est ce quelqu un peut recommander un hotel ou une guesthouse à moins de 100 RM bien et pas cher? pas de dortoir merci
Est ce qu en novembre il pleut beaucoup et aller à Semenggoh ou Bako vaut le coup ou pas?
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On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
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I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
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Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
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3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
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For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
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Time to hit the road again!
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Hello,
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.







