Politique thailandaise
by Userem7803
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
J'a beaucoup de mal à suivre les problèmes politiques en Thaïlande, j'ai l'impression que tout m'échappe et n'arrive pas à comprendre les différences fondamentales entre les deux parties et leurs visions du pays. Leur politique envers le peuple thailandais, les immigrants (ça m'intéresse), l'asie du sud est et les rapports avec la chine.
Si ce post en agace plus d'un j'en suis navrée, mais si quelqu'un avait la gentillesse de m'expliquer simplement de quoi il retourne, ou de m'indiquer un lien internet…
Je ne cherche nullement à entamer une querelle idéologique, juste des renseignements.
merci
J'a beaucoup de mal à suivre les problèmes politiques en Thaïlande,
si çà peut te rassurée, j'ai personnellement renoncé, vois le site de Sidartha: http://siamlife.blog4ever.com/blog/index-92107.html
si tu peux te procurer "les larmes de Bouddha" (épuisé en neuf) tu y trouveras pas mal de clés,
je l'ai eu d'occasion en commande chez "Carnets d'Asie" dans l'enceinte de l'alliance Française ou tu trouveras certainements de nombreux livres traitant de ce sujet,
si j'ai bien compris, tu resides a BKK ? j'ai adoré sur ton site, ta vision de la cité des anges
cordialement
Robert
si çà peut te rassurée, j'ai personnellement renoncé, vois le site de Sidartha: http://siamlife.blog4ever.com/blog/index-92107.html
si tu peux te procurer "les larmes de Bouddha" (épuisé en neuf) tu y trouveras pas mal de clés,
je l'ai eu d'occasion en commande chez "Carnets d'Asie" dans l'enceinte de l'alliance Française ou tu trouveras certainements de nombreux livres traitant de ce sujet,
si j'ai bien compris, tu resides a BKK ? j'ai adoré sur ton site, ta vision de la cité des anges
cordialement
Robert
Hummm vaste sujet s'il en est...
Pour simplifier -a l'extrème- le monde est divisé en deux y'a ceux qui se cachent derrière le roi et l'armée (les anciens) et ceux qui se cachent derrière Thaksin Shinawatra et le PPP (les modernes).
Le but est le pouvoir et l'argent qui va avec. Alors on utilise les ruraux (moderne) contre les urbains (anciens) et vice versa...
Si tu prends l'exemple de la querelle actuelle de Preah Vihear, c'est surtout un agrurment politique contre Samak... pour le reste c'est indéfendable et les démocrates le savent très bien.
Tu trouveras quelques détails sur ces querelles prurement politiciennes sur mon blog.
Pour simplifier -a l'extrème- le monde est divisé en deux y'a ceux qui se cachent derrière le roi et l'armée (les anciens) et ceux qui se cachent derrière Thaksin Shinawatra et le PPP (les modernes).
Le but est le pouvoir et l'argent qui va avec. Alors on utilise les ruraux (moderne) contre les urbains (anciens) et vice versa...
Si tu prends l'exemple de la querelle actuelle de Preah Vihear, c'est surtout un agrurment politique contre Samak... pour le reste c'est indéfendable et les démocrates le savent très bien.
Tu trouveras quelques détails sur ces querelles prurement politiciennes sur mon blog.
Hummm vaste sujet s'il en est...
Pour simplifier -a l'extrème- le monde est divisé en deux y'a ceux qui se cachent derrière le roi et l'armée (les anciens) et ceux qui se cachent derrière Thaksin Shinawatra et le PPP (les modernes).
Le but est le pouvoir et l'argent qui va avec. Alors on utilise les ruraux (moderne) contre les urbains (anciens) et vice versa...
Si tu prends l'exemple de la querelle actuelle de Preah Vihear, c'est surtout un agrurment politique contre Samak... pour le reste c'est indéfendable et les démocrates le savent très bien.
Tu trouveras quelques détails sur ces querelles prurement politiciennes sur mon blog.
Euh ... bizarre (j'ai dit bizarre ?), moi j'avais compris que tout découlait d'une carte établie par la France au "temps béni des colonies" 😉
C'est "indéfendable" de contester une carte dessinée par des colonisateurs ?
Il est vrai que, si on commence à discuter ces cartes, on n'en a pas fini de par le monde LOL
NB: Et l'absurde du temple qui appartient à un pays depuis lequel il est à peu près inaccessible, çà vous démange pas un tout petit peu ?
Pour simplifier -a l'extrème- le monde est divisé en deux y'a ceux qui se cachent derrière le roi et l'armée (les anciens) et ceux qui se cachent derrière Thaksin Shinawatra et le PPP (les modernes).
Le but est le pouvoir et l'argent qui va avec. Alors on utilise les ruraux (moderne) contre les urbains (anciens) et vice versa...
Si tu prends l'exemple de la querelle actuelle de Preah Vihear, c'est surtout un agrurment politique contre Samak... pour le reste c'est indéfendable et les démocrates le savent très bien.
Tu trouveras quelques détails sur ces querelles prurement politiciennes sur mon blog.
Euh ... bizarre (j'ai dit bizarre ?), moi j'avais compris que tout découlait d'une carte établie par la France au "temps béni des colonies" 😉
C'est "indéfendable" de contester une carte dessinée par des colonisateurs ?
Il est vrai que, si on commence à discuter ces cartes, on n'en a pas fini de par le monde LOL
NB: Et l'absurde du temple qui appartient à un pays depuis lequel il est à peu près inaccessible, çà vous démange pas un tout petit peu ?
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
🙂 rien de tel que de trouver un conflit extérieur pour détourner des problèmes du quotidien...sur fond de nationalisme!
tout le monde se reconnait derriere cette position sauf l'opposition thai, bien sur !
Vendredi dernier, le ministre des Affaires étrangères cambodgien, Hor Namhong, a exprimé ses «regrets» quant à «la politisation du dossier Preah Vihear par l’opposition thaïe». « Je regrette que certains partis politiques thaïs se servent de l’inscription du temple cambodgien de Preah Vihear comme prétexte pour renverser le gouvernement au pouvoir, ce qui porterait atteinte à la bonne coopération entre nos deux pays » a déclaré le chef de la diplomatie cambodgienne, rapporté lendemain par l’ensemble de la presse.
tout le monde se reconnait derriere cette position sauf l'opposition thai, bien sur !
Vendredi dernier, le ministre des Affaires étrangères cambodgien, Hor Namhong, a exprimé ses «regrets» quant à «la politisation du dossier Preah Vihear par l’opposition thaïe». « Je regrette que certains partis politiques thaïs se servent de l’inscription du temple cambodgien de Preah Vihear comme prétexte pour renverser le gouvernement au pouvoir, ce qui porterait atteinte à la bonne coopération entre nos deux pays » a déclaré le chef de la diplomatie cambodgienne, rapporté lendemain par l’ensemble de la presse.
Roger
Bonsoir,
Au sujet de Praeh Vihear, sans s'être rendu sur place on peut avoir du mal à comprendre ce différent frontalier qui existe entre les deux pays surtout après la décision de la Cour internationale de La Haye. La photo satelite disponible sur Google n'est pas assez nette pour comprendre un peu. Sur place la topographie et la vision du lieu laisse à penser que la logique aurait voulu que ce site soit thalandais, malgré ou a cause des relevés fait à l'époque de la colonisation française.
Bonsoir,
Au sujet de Praeh Vihear, sans s'être rendu sur place on peut avoir du mal à comprendre ce différent frontalier qui existe entre les deux pays surtout après la décision de la Cour internationale de La Haye. La photo satelite disponible sur Google n'est pas assez nette pour comprendre un peu. Sur place la topographie et la vision du lieu laisse à penser que la logique aurait voulu que ce site soit thalandais, malgré ou a cause des relevés fait à l'époque de la colonisation française.
(vous voulez dire "siamois" !)
La logique coloniale est à la logique ce que les colons sont à l'humanisme 😉
On peut consulter cette carte (Wiki) qui montre les "pertes territoriales" du Siam sous les coups de boutoir des colonisateurs, c'est assez édifiant :
En gros, le Siam était un "empire" multi-ethnique et s'est retrouvé un pays quasi mono-ethnique deux fois plus petit ...
C'est plein d'évidence, tout çà 😏😏😏😏
(vous voulez dire "siamois" !)
La logique coloniale est à la logique ce que les colons sont à l'humanisme 😉
On peut consulter cette carte (Wiki) qui montre les "pertes territoriales" du Siam sous les coups de boutoir des colonisateurs, c'est assez édifiant :
En gros, le Siam était un "empire" multi-ethnique et s'est retrouvé un pays quasi mono-ethnique deux fois plus petit ...
C'est plein d'évidence, tout çà 😏😏😏😏
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
On peut aussi voir que les démocrates, par manque de moyens financiers, n’ont pas pu soudoyer assez les ruraux qui on voté massivement pour Thaksin, pardon, Samak. Et maintenant, Thaksin et le Thaï Rak Thaï, pardon Samak et le PPP sont au pouvoir et font tout pour que le premier ministre, pardon, Thaksin puisse être lavé des charges de corruption afin que Thaksin puisse revenir en Thaïlande et s’en foutre encore plus plein les poches.
Les ruraux sont pro Taksin notamment (mais pas seulement) parce qu’ils ont été soudoyé à coup de centaines de bahts, de café et de viagra mais aussi parce que Thaksin a remarqué qu’en prétendant s’intéresser aux pauvres il pourrait gagner leurs voix. Comme les ruraux (ou pauvres) ne sont pas éduqué ils ont été éblouie par la poudre que Thaksin leur a jeté aux yeux.
Les urbains sont contre Thaksin car ils sont plus au courant que Thaksin c’est fait des c*** en or sur le dos des Thaïs et ils veulent enfin que Thaksin et ses marionnettes arrête de régner (régner, pas gouverner). Bien sûr la corruption à toujours régné en maître en Thaïlande, mais Thaksin l’a poussé à son paroxysme !
Bien sûr certain vont immanquablement prétendre que ce gouvernement a été démocratiquement élu et qu’il faut le laisser gouverner, mais acheter des voix n’est pas démocratique et donc on peut mettre en doute la légitimité de ce gouvernement.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw
http://www.soidog.org/
http://www.soidog.org/
Et après ça, tu répète à qui veut l'entendre que la Thaïlande n'a jamais été colonisée? Tu viens de prouver que ce n'est vraiment pas exact! Merci, je n'aurais pas fait mieux!
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw
http://www.soidog.org/
http://www.soidog.org/
Le Siam n'est pas la Thailande, cette dernière est la résultante de l'après colonisation. Sinon mengwan a raison, la Thailande a parfois été envahie mais jamais colonisée dans le sens d'administrée par une entité extérieure 😛
Je caricature un petit peu car en fait l'autonomie du Siam n'a subsisté que par suite de la rivalité coloniale de la France et de l'Angleterre, qui, se partageant le reste de l'Indochine, ont convenu d'en faire une sorte d'État tampon 😉
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Le Siam n'est pas la Thailande, cette dernière est la résultante de l'après colonisation. Sinon mengwan a raison, la Thailande a parfois été envahie mais jamais colonisée dans le sens d'administrée par une entité extérieure 😛
OK, si on veut jouer sur les mots alors oui la Thaïlande "n'a pas été" colonisée mais dans les faits elle n'était pas libre de ces actions, sinon pourquoi aurait-elle perdu tous ces territoires? Parce que la Thaïlande est tellement généreuse qu'elle ne rechigne pas à donner des terres aux étrangers? Ca aurait bien changé alors!
OK, si on veut jouer sur les mots alors oui la Thaïlande "n'a pas été" colonisée mais dans les faits elle n'était pas libre de ces actions, sinon pourquoi aurait-elle perdu tous ces territoires? Parce que la Thaïlande est tellement généreuse qu'elle ne rechigne pas à donner des terres aux étrangers? Ca aurait bien changé alors!
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw
http://www.soidog.org/
http://www.soidog.org/
Je ne joue pas sur les mots, il faut juste être précis pour ne pas tomber dans la mauvaise foi, il faut juste noter que le Siam devient officiellement la Thaïlande qu'en 1939. La Thailande en tant qu'Etat moderne est donc récente 😉
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Le Siam n'est pas la Thailande, cette dernière est la résultante de l'après colonisation. Sinon mengwan a raison, la Thailande a parfois été envahie mais jamais colonisée dans le sens d'administrée par une entité extérieure 😛
OK, si on veut jouer sur les mots alors oui la Thaïlande "n'a pas été" colonisée mais dans les faits elle n'était pas libre de ces actions, sinon pourquoi aurait-elle perdu tous ces territoires? Parce que la Thaïlande est tellement généreuse qu'elle ne rechigne pas à donner des terres aux étrangers? Ca aurait bien changé alors!
La retraite ordonnée fait partie de l'art militaire, le souverain qui a dirigé cette "retraite" était un grand bonhomme qui a aussi su moderniser à marche forcée le pays sur beaucoup de plans.
Il y a une grande différence entre "n'être pas libre de ses actions" (qui l'est vraiment ?) et être déchu de son statut de nation souveraine.
Personne n'a pu dire des siamois qu'ils étaient, comme on l'a dit des vietnamiens "faits pour cogner dessus" (sic), on peut se reporter à loisir (avec l'oeil qui convient) sur le très bon site :
http://belleindochine.free.fr/sommaire.htm
NB: La dernière perte de territoire du Siam date (grosso-modo) de 1909, alors que le changement de nom date de 1939.
OK, si on veut jouer sur les mots alors oui la Thaïlande "n'a pas été" colonisée mais dans les faits elle n'était pas libre de ces actions, sinon pourquoi aurait-elle perdu tous ces territoires? Parce que la Thaïlande est tellement généreuse qu'elle ne rechigne pas à donner des terres aux étrangers? Ca aurait bien changé alors!
La retraite ordonnée fait partie de l'art militaire, le souverain qui a dirigé cette "retraite" était un grand bonhomme qui a aussi su moderniser à marche forcée le pays sur beaucoup de plans.
Il y a une grande différence entre "n'être pas libre de ses actions" (qui l'est vraiment ?) et être déchu de son statut de nation souveraine.
Personne n'a pu dire des siamois qu'ils étaient, comme on l'a dit des vietnamiens "faits pour cogner dessus" (sic), on peut se reporter à loisir (avec l'oeil qui convient) sur le très bon site :
http://belleindochine.free.fr/sommaire.htm
NB: La dernière perte de territoire du Siam date (grosso-modo) de 1909, alors que le changement de nom date de 1939.
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Depuis la Thaïlande, c'est beaucoup plus facile d'échapper aux interminables campagnes électorales ...
L'éloignement donne parfois de la distance 😉
L'éloignement donne parfois de la distance 😉
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
L'éloignement donne parfois de la distance 😉
Jolie celle la, si je ne savais que c'est une boutade, je la placerai bien dans les perles de VF 😉😛😄😏😏
Jolie celle la, si je ne savais que c'est une boutade, je la placerai bien dans les perles de VF 😉😛😄😏😏
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
L'éloignement donne parfois de la distance 😉
Jolie celle la, si je ne savais que c'est une boutade, je la placerai bien dans les perles de VF 😉😛😄😏😏
Vous ne me prendriez pas pour une huître, tout de même ?
NB: Ah, une bonne douzaine de fines de claire, arrosée d'un bon Chablis bien frais ... Pourquoi ne trouve-t-on pas d'huîtres (crues) par ici ?
Jolie celle la, si je ne savais que c'est une boutade, je la placerai bien dans les perles de VF 😉😛😄😏😏
Vous ne me prendriez pas pour une huître, tout de même ?
NB: Ah, une bonne douzaine de fines de claire, arrosée d'un bon Chablis bien frais ... Pourquoi ne trouve-t-on pas d'huîtres (crues) par ici ?
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
NB: Ah, une bonne douzaine de fines de claire, arrosée d'un bon Chablis bien frais ...
Pourquoi ne trouve-t-on pas d'huîtres (crues) par ici ?
On en trouve, a Phuket en tout cas, mais je ne m'y suis jamais essayé 🤪 manger cru en Thailande comporte des risques a mon avis 🙁
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
On peut consulter cette carte (Wiki) qui montre les "pertes territoriales" du Siam sous les coups de boutoir des colonisateurs, c'est assez édifiant :
En gros, le Siam était un "empire" multi-ethnique et s'est retrouvé un pays quasi mono-ethnique deux fois plus petit ... 🙂
Esperons que nos politiqes n'auront pas la meme idée que les thais sinon il va y avoir du boulot!
Quant à l'empire khmere il s'etendait jusqu'à Phitsanoulok ! Quelle bande de flegmard ces colons, se sont arretés avant d'etre à mi chemin !
En gros, le Siam était un "empire" multi-ethnique et s'est retrouvé un pays quasi mono-ethnique deux fois plus petit ... 🙂
Esperons que nos politiqes n'auront pas la meme idée que les thais sinon il va y avoir du boulot!
Quant à l'empire khmere il s'etendait jusqu'à Phitsanoulok ! Quelle bande de flegmard ces colons, se sont arretés avant d'etre à mi chemin !Roger
Bien sûr, les birmans ont aussi envahi le Siam pendant longtemps ...
Tout çà est bien peu original, entre voisins 😉
La différence, c'est que khmers, birmans, thaïs sont "du coin", et depuis fort longtemps.
Pour l'Europe, je pense bien qu'un jour se reconstituera une sorte de "grand empire", simplement en un peu plus démocratique 😏
Tout çà est bien peu original, entre voisins 😉
La différence, c'est que khmers, birmans, thaïs sont "du coin", et depuis fort longtemps.
Pour l'Europe, je pense bien qu'un jour se reconstituera une sorte de "grand empire", simplement en un peu plus démocratique 😏
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Bonsoir,
Votre jolie carte ne m'apprends rien puisque je la possède avec bien d'autres.
Je ne reviendrais pas sur des faits historiques, du royaume de Siam, réduit à être un état tampon.
Les territoires cédés aux français et aux anglais l'ont été dans le seul but pour que le Siam ne soit pas colonisé par l'un ou l'autre ou par les deux à la fois.
Nous sommes loin des problèmes frontaliers d'aujourd'hui entre le Cambodge et la Thaïlande sur le site de Praeh Vihear.
Ah, une bonne douzaine de fines de claire, arrosée d'un bon Chablis bien frais ...
Arrête MengWan, tu me fais du mal...
Arrête MengWan, tu me fais du mal...
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. ~Seneca
Je n'ai pas lu apres cette intervention, mais je trouve tes idees tres en accord avec moi en sachant que je connait des gens qui ont recu de l'argent pour leur vote et qui en plus ont ete paye pour dépouiller les bulletins a la dernière élection... Le gouvernement de Thaïlande n'a pas permis, a l'époque, la présence de fonctionnaire de l'ONU pour vérifier la conformité des elections....
Le fonctionnement est simple : $$$.
Je/on en a déjà parle sur le forum.
(avis personel : la Thailande a deja ete colonisée pendant la guerre du Vietnam)
Le fonctionnement est simple : $$$.
Je/on en a déjà parle sur le forum.
(avis personel : la Thailande a deja ete colonisée pendant la guerre du Vietnam)
mai pen rai krap
j'ecrit sur clavier américain désolé pour les accents...
Salut Noe 😉
peux tu étayer et expliquer ce que tu entends par cela?
(avis personel : la Thailande a deja ete colonisée pendant la guerre du Vietnam)
Un avis personnel c'est bien mais sur quoi tu bases tu? 😐 de la présence militaire US peut-être? 😇
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Bien entendu : tu le sais tres bien. 😉😉😉
La colonisation peut se faire par la culture (la langue etc...) ou une présence économique...😉😉😉 La présence militaire des hommes a influence les gens et le pays évidement.
Je passe le sujet de l'argent mis dans cette guerre et des trafics...
Bien sur que je pense aux USA : je sais que tu avais compris.😉😉😉
La colonisation peut se faire par la culture (la langue etc...) ou une présence économique...😉😉😉 La présence militaire des hommes a influence les gens et le pays évidement.
Je passe le sujet de l'argent mis dans cette guerre et des trafics...
Bien sur que je pense aux USA : je sais que tu avais compris.😉😉😉
mai pen rai krap
j'ecrit sur clavier américain désolé pour les accents...
Oui je vois ce que tu veux dire mais autant dire qu'on l'a tous été dans ce cas la 😛
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Nous sommes loin des problèmes frontaliers d'aujourd'hui entre le Cambodge et la Thaïlande sur le site de Praeh Vihear.
Ben non, nous sommes "en plein dedans", puisque ce sont les français qui ont tracé cette frontière 😉
Je pense qu'il est important de se rendre compte que ce genre "d'affaire" n'est qu'une poussière dans la queue de la comète "colonisation".
Ben non, nous sommes "en plein dedans", puisque ce sont les français qui ont tracé cette frontière 😉
Je pense qu'il est important de se rendre compte que ce genre "d'affaire" n'est qu'une poussière dans la queue de la comète "colonisation".
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
La politique thailandaise, c'est tres simple: c'est "Pousse toi de la que j'm'y mette pour me remplir les poches, and Fuck the People!"
(encore un beau post d'historien !)
And you, sir, "who do you fuck" ?
(encore un beau post d'historien !)
And you, sir, "who do you fuck" ?
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Euh ... bizarre (j'ai dit bizarre ?), moi j'avais compris que tout découlait d'une carte établie par la France au "temps béni des colonies" 😉
Dressé en presence d'officiel français et thai en 1907. Il ne mesemble que personne n'a alors daigné se rendre a Preah Vihear... tout le monde s'en foutait...
C'est "indéfendable" de contester une carte dessinée par des colonisateurs ?
Tout a fait, en 1930 un prince thai avisté Preah Vihear et n'a pas fait de scandal après avoir offciellement été reçu par un officiel français. Et donc La Haye a jugé que le fait de reconnaitre pendant 50 ans l'appartenance au cambodge de ce temple et changé d'avis par la suite était irrecevable. Point final.
Même Samak a reconnu récemment que la Thaîlande avait 10 ans pour faire appel et ne l'a pas fait, maintenant il y a prescription.
Il est vrai que, si on commence à discuter ces cartes, on n'en a pas fini de par le monde LOL
Le premier qui critaique les frontières naturelles de la France et la ligne bleue des Vosges, je le...
Et l'absurde du temple qui appartient à un pays depuis lequel il est à peu près inaccessible, çà vous démange pas un tout petit peu ?
?!? Le monde est divisé en deux : y'a ceux qui construisent des routes, y'a ceux qui construisent des temples !
Ce qui me derange -a vrai dire je m'en fou royalement- c'est la pretention des Thaïs a reclamer un temple qu'ils n'ont pas construit alors que des deux cotes de la frontière on parle khmer et non le thaï. Qu'ils reconnaisenrt d'abord qu'ils ont piqué au cambodge les provinces de Surin, etc... que les Khmers ne les réclament pas et qu'ils s'estiment heureux de posséder Pimai, Panom Rung, Muang Tam...
Magnanime je leur accorde les Prasats (c'est du khmer et désigne des temples anciens) de Lopburi qui comme tu les sais sont khmers.
Et pour les "dérangements" ce n'est pas un hasard si la Thailande a des querelles de frontière avec tous ses voisins... et a même eu le culot d'attaquer le Laos en 1987/88
ca si ne n'est pas de l'absurde Preah Vihear c'est du nationalisme à deux bahts et ce n'est pas pour rien que La haye les a débouté en 1962.
Dressé en presence d'officiel français et thai en 1907. Il ne mesemble que personne n'a alors daigné se rendre a Preah Vihear... tout le monde s'en foutait...
C'est "indéfendable" de contester une carte dessinée par des colonisateurs ?
Tout a fait, en 1930 un prince thai avisté Preah Vihear et n'a pas fait de scandal après avoir offciellement été reçu par un officiel français. Et donc La Haye a jugé que le fait de reconnaitre pendant 50 ans l'appartenance au cambodge de ce temple et changé d'avis par la suite était irrecevable. Point final.
Même Samak a reconnu récemment que la Thaîlande avait 10 ans pour faire appel et ne l'a pas fait, maintenant il y a prescription.
Il est vrai que, si on commence à discuter ces cartes, on n'en a pas fini de par le monde LOL
Le premier qui critaique les frontières naturelles de la France et la ligne bleue des Vosges, je le...
Et l'absurde du temple qui appartient à un pays depuis lequel il est à peu près inaccessible, çà vous démange pas un tout petit peu ?
?!? Le monde est divisé en deux : y'a ceux qui construisent des routes, y'a ceux qui construisent des temples !
Ce qui me derange -a vrai dire je m'en fou royalement- c'est la pretention des Thaïs a reclamer un temple qu'ils n'ont pas construit alors que des deux cotes de la frontière on parle khmer et non le thaï. Qu'ils reconnaisenrt d'abord qu'ils ont piqué au cambodge les provinces de Surin, etc... que les Khmers ne les réclament pas et qu'ils s'estiment heureux de posséder Pimai, Panom Rung, Muang Tam...
Magnanime je leur accorde les Prasats (c'est du khmer et désigne des temples anciens) de Lopburi qui comme tu les sais sont khmers.
Et pour les "dérangements" ce n'est pas un hasard si la Thailande a des querelles de frontière avec tous ses voisins... et a même eu le culot d'attaquer le Laos en 1987/88
ca si ne n'est pas de l'absurde Preah Vihear c'est du nationalisme à deux bahts et ce n'est pas pour rien que La haye les a débouté en 1962.
+ 1 ...ET d'ailleurs evoqué dans le message 19 : l'empire khmer + dans le message fermeture du Preah vihear : seules les populations locales trinques et plus particulièrement coté Cambodge ou la survie depends de quelques ventes de bouteilles d'eaux, de fruits, de babioles journalières ...
Et celà pcq que quelques politicards n'ont rien à faire d'autres que d'organiser le bordel en jouant sur les cordes les plus viles d'un nationalisme injustifié!😠
Et celà pcq que quelques politicards n'ont rien à faire d'autres que d'organiser le bordel en jouant sur les cordes les plus viles d'un nationalisme injustifié!😠
Roger
La grosse blague est thailandaise : ils ont eu le culot d'exiger que les Khmers ferment leurs échoppes installés sur les escaliers menant au temple !
Et puis quoi encore ... Ce n'est pas leur pays...
Mais entre 1959 et 1962 ce seraient des Thailandais qui auraient monté les dites échoppes...
A l'époque cela ne les gênaient pas, mais pas du tout...
Chassez moi les marchands du temple !
Et puis quoi encore ... Ce n'est pas leur pays...
Mais entre 1959 et 1962 ce seraient des Thailandais qui auraient monté les dites échoppes...
A l'époque cela ne les gênaient pas, mais pas du tout...
Chassez moi les marchands du temple !
😉Salut,
Les thais veulent peut etre faire appliquer leur lois a l'exterieur du pays MDR!!!!!! Car depuis quelque temps ils virent les échoppes pres des temples, si ils vendent des truk qui n'ont rien avoir avec le culte!!!
vu a Ayyutthaya en juin!!! le shériff a viré tout le monde!!! bon je suppose que si ils payent le tribu a ce dernier, ils pourront revenir comme avant!!!!🤪😄😏 aaaaaaa la corruption ça a du bon!!!😛
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Un voyage de mille lis a commencé par un pas. (Lao-Tseu ; 1 lis=ancienne mesure chinoise équivalente a 576m définie des la dynastie Qin, mais qui variait selon la région et l'époque, valeur actuelle 500m, le li est une mesure coréenne d'environ 3920m)
pour les pti curieux!!! le chien subliminaleeu
Ils reclament que l'escalier qui mene au PV soit classé par l'unesco !😏😏... En attendant, l'armée khmere c'est positionnée près de l'ambassade Thai de PNH...Mieux vaut prévenir que guérir !
Sur le coup, le cambodge est plus que conciliant...je crois qu'ils ne prennent pas les thais trés au serieux sur cette histoire !
Neanmoins ils rappellent les enjeux economiques globaux...On est loin du visa unique...Et ils n'ont vraiment pas besoin des thais dans le cotexte pour leur acheter du riz..et les insectes qui vont avec !(lol)
Faut dire que la politique là bas est encore plus difficile à saisir qu'ici !!! C'est peu dire !!!
Sur le coup, le cambodge est plus que conciliant...je crois qu'ils ne prennent pas les thais trés au serieux sur cette histoire !
Neanmoins ils rappellent les enjeux economiques globaux...On est loin du visa unique...Et ils n'ont vraiment pas besoin des thais dans le cotexte pour leur acheter du riz..et les insectes qui vont avec !(lol)
Faut dire que la politique là bas est encore plus difficile à saisir qu'ici !!! C'est peu dire !!!
Roger
moi qui ne suis pas un féru de l'histoire, je pense que avec Karolus vous devez avoir raison, c'est d'ailleurs ce que je viens de retrouver en lisant le blog de sidartha que je me permet de coller ici il y a une semiane de çà
.La saga du Preah Vihear: Quelques résidents de Si Saket se sont réunis hier soir pour discuter des dispositions prises par N.Pattama quand à la signature avec les voisins Khmers;
Des voisins qui finalement sont plus cool que ce qu'on aurait pu le penser puisque eux même seraient en droit de réclamer des provinces comme celle de Surin dans laquelel se trouve le Panom Ruang et le nom moins préstigieux Muang Tam...
Ils ont demandés à ce que tous les manifestants se réunissent dès Samedi devant l'entrée du Preah Vihear et ce qu'on les reconduisent "chez eux" !
A Phitsanulok, des membres du PAD se sont également réunis devant la gare pour montrer leur désapprobation à cette décision;
Dès ce soir des manifestants partiront sur leur vélo à travers les "campagnes" afin de faire signer une pétition qu'ils remettront à la cour administrative et qui se rajoutera à celle qu'ont déjà déposés hier les leaders du parti démocratique .
J'imagine que vous avez tous les trois raisons et en plus je vois pas pourquoi si ce n'est pour des raisons politiques, les thais se disputeraient aussi chérement cette petite parcelle de terrain 🤪
J'imagine que vous avez tous les trois raisons et en plus je vois pas pourquoi si ce n'est pour des raisons politiques, les thais se disputeraient aussi chérement cette petite parcelle de terrain 🤪
😉Salut Roger,
Ils reclament que l'escalier qui mene au PV soit classé par l'unesco !...
MDR,
Faut dire que la politique là bas est encore plus difficile à saisir qu'ici !!! C'est peu dire !!!
en Thailande ils votent pour le numero 9 (porte bonheur) et puis apres ils attendent en priant Bouddha!!!!!!! tu vois c'est pas si compliqué que ça!!! 🤪😄😏
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Faut dire que la politique là bas est encore plus difficile à saisir qu'ici !!! C'est peu dire !!!
en Thailande ils votent pour le numero 9 (porte bonheur) et puis apres ils attendent en priant Bouddha!!!!!!! tu vois c'est pas si compliqué que ça!!! 🤪😄😏
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Un voyage de mille lis a commencé par un pas. (Lao-Tseu ; 1 lis=ancienne mesure chinoise équivalente a 576m définie des la dynastie Qin, mais qui variait selon la région et l'époque, valeur actuelle 500m, le li est une mesure coréenne d'environ 3920m)
pour les pti curieux!!! le chien subliminaleeu
Des voisins qui finalement sont plus cool que ce qu'on aurait pu le penser puisque eux même seraient en droit de réclamer des provinces comme celle de Surin dans laquelel se trouve le Panom Ruang et le nom moins préstigieux Muang Tam...
Les italiens vont aussi réclamer toutes les villes de France où il y a des arènes romaines !
Vous avez aussi une multitude de monuments indiens (peau-rouge) aux USA, il y en a des millions qui vont devoir reprendre le bateau ...
Il vaut mieux lire çà que d'être aveugle 🙂
Allez, reprenez plutôt une bière 😉
Les italiens vont aussi réclamer toutes les villes de France où il y a des arènes romaines !
Vous avez aussi une multitude de monuments indiens (peau-rouge) aux USA, il y en a des millions qui vont devoir reprendre le bateau ...
Il vaut mieux lire çà que d'être aveugle 🙂
Allez, reprenez plutôt une bière 😉
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
salut Pierre !!!
en Thailande ils votent pour le numero 9 (porte bonheur) et puis apres ils attendent en priant Bouddha!!!!!!! tu vois c'est pas si compliqué que ça!!!
2+3 +4 = 9 ! hautement symbolique et le seul moyen de ne pas se tromper !😉
Merci pour le tuyau, je ferai comme les thais, la prochaine fois en France!😏
PS: l'Histoire de l'escalier c'est SANOUK mais ce n'est pas une JOKE!
en Thailande ils votent pour le numero 9 (porte bonheur) et puis apres ils attendent en priant Bouddha!!!!!!! tu vois c'est pas si compliqué que ça!!!
2+3 +4 = 9 ! hautement symbolique et le seul moyen de ne pas se tromper !😉
Merci pour le tuyau, je ferai comme les thais, la prochaine fois en France!😏
PS: l'Histoire de l'escalier c'est SANOUK mais ce n'est pas une JOKE!
Roger
PS: l'Histoire de l'escalier c'est SANOUK mais ce n'est pas une JOKE! 😉😏😄
Roger, l'histoire du 9 c'est chock dee mais c'est pas une joke non plus!!! MDR😛 mais c'est sanouk aussi!!!!!!!
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Roger, l'histoire du 9 c'est chock dee mais c'est pas une joke non plus!!! MDR😛 mais c'est sanouk aussi!!!!!!!
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Un voyage de mille lis a commencé par un pas. (Lao-Tseu ; 1 lis=ancienne mesure chinoise équivalente a 576m définie des la dynastie Qin, mais qui variait selon la région et l'époque, valeur actuelle 500m, le li est une mesure coréenne d'environ 3920m)
pour les pti curieux!!! le chien subliminaleeu
😮ui une biere😄😏😉
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Un voyage de mille lis a commencé par un pas. (Lao-Tseu ; 1 lis=ancienne mesure chinoise équivalente a 576m définie des la dynastie Qin, mais qui variait selon la région et l'époque, valeur actuelle 500m, le li est une mesure coréenne d'environ 3920m)
pour les pti curieux!!! le chien subliminaleeu
Une biere ANGKOR ! + une SINGHA ... ! bien melangées celà fera peut etre une bonne Preah Vihear !😏😏😏
Roger
Une bière encore ?😉
Une biere ANGKOR
Et c'est le wat qu'ils préfèrent 🙂
Une biere ANGKOR
Et c'est le wat qu'ils préfèrent 🙂
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Desolé thibaut si on ta piqué une idée !😉
mengwan :j'ai apprecié la wat !😏😏
mengwan :j'ai apprecié la wat !😏😏
Roger
Il n y a qu'un seul pays autorise a ce genre de revendication farfelue, faut dire que c'est la "Terre promise"...
Pour Surin vu quíl ságit encore dún peuplement khmer des nationalistes poiurraient fort bien revendiquer quelques territoires... les Laos aussi et ne parlons pas du Sud Thailandais...
ils ont de la chance les Thais les Khmer ne regrettent que le Kampuchea krom.
Et France revediqua les 135 departements de lépopee napoleonnienne...
Pour Surin vu quíl ságit encore dún peuplement khmer des nationalistes poiurraient fort bien revendiquer quelques territoires... les Laos aussi et ne parlons pas du Sud Thailandais...
ils ont de la chance les Thais les Khmer ne regrettent que le Kampuchea krom.
Et France revediqua les 135 departements de lépopee napoleonnienne...
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Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Hello,
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!







