La définition du touriste par le trésor de la langue française :
TOURISTE, subst.
A. 1. Celui, celle qui fait du tourisme, qui voyage pour son plaisir, pour se détendre, s'enrichir, se cultiver. Synon. estivant, excursionniste, globe-trotter, promeneur, randonneur, vacancier, voyageur, visiteur.
Or, sur ce forum comme sur d'autres, personne ou presque ne veut être un touriste. Pourquoi ?
Et un grand nombre cherche à fuir les lieux "touristiques" ?
A partir de combien de touriste au KM carré un endroit devient il trop touristique ?
Si on n'est pas un touriste, comment se définir ?
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
"A partir de combien de touriste au KM carré un endroit devient il trop touristique ?"
Le comportement, de certains et de certaines, plus envahissant que d'autre t'interdit de faire une moyenne cohérente. 😉
De manière plus précise, cela signifie simplement que le tourisme des uns s’arrête là où se termine la joie des autochtones. 😕
Si l'on ne désire pas etre un "touriste" (dans le sens péjoratif du terme), le mieux est de se définir comme un invité, et un invité sa respecte ses hotes. 🙂
Les différences que tu peux déterminer au travers de tes différents synonymes sont les buts et l'attitude des individues ainsi définis. 😛
j'ai gagne quoi ? ? ? 😎
"L'endroit où l'on vit est toujours les vacances des autres"
"Ceux qui luttent ne sont pas sûr de gagner... ceux qui ne luttent pas ont déjà perdu d'avance..."
I'm still hoping to go grab a beer with any of you somewhere around my neighborhood - i.e. Bangkok - Thailande
Merci Le piaf, les discussions sont intéressantes. Mais ce qui m'intéresse aussi c'est de comprendre quand un endroit devient "trop" touristique aux yeux des non - touristes... Exemple : la fête des éléphants à Surin est elle touristique ? Koh Lipe est elle une ile touristique ou non ? etc..etc
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
A partir de combien de touriste au KM carré un endroit devient il trop touristique ?
1 seul suffit a partir du moment ou il va avoir un comportement infect ce n'est pas le nombre qui est important, quoique plus le nombre grandit plus il y a de risques de tomber sur des gens indesirables/indesires
C'est un peu comme quand on lit les "Bidochons". Ca nous fait rire parce qu'on se rassure en pensant qu'on est pas comme eux.
Le touriste, on a peur de lui ressembler quand il se bouge en groupe, qu'il fait du bruit, qu'il se moque des locaux, qd il ne voit le paysage qu'au travers de sa caméra, qd il se met face aux gamins pour prendre "la" photo, qd il se sent supérieur. Et il y en a des tonnes comme ça.
Le touriste, j'aime le rencontrer quand on est peu à être "l'étranger", et qu'on a le sentiment de vivre qq chose d'un peu exceptionnel, qd on est au milieu de la vie de tous les jours des gens du pays qui nous reçoit.
Qd je voyage, c'est aussi pour rencontrer des gens avec qui je me sent un peu en phase dans ma façon de vivre et de voyager, et de découvrir d'autres façon d'être, de vivre, de penser, de travailler avec les populations locales.
Heureux sentiment que de se sentir un peu privilégiés, de vivre des choses qui ne sont ni dans le routard, ni dans le lonely.
rien a rajouter !
si, un VF d or pour cette definition
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Qd je voyage, c'est aussi pour rencontrer des gens avec qui je me sent un peu en phase dans ma façon de vivre et de voyager, et de découvrir d'autres façon d'être, de vivre, de penser, de travailler avec les populations locales.
Heureux sentiment que de se sentir un peu privilégiés, de vivre des choses qui ne sont ni dans le routard, ni dans le lonely.
C'est un sujet plutôt interessant, moi je serais plutôt d'accord avec Phenix, je me
définirais plutôt comme un invité que comme un touriste, d'autant que c'était le
cas, je ne me suis pas senti en tant que touriste car j'ai passé mon séjour chez ma
copine, en grande partie donc à Bangkok, je n'ai que très peu visité, j'ai plutôt
participé à la vie de tous les jours, sortir voir ces amis, aux restos, l'accompagner
à son boulot.
Je n'ai à aucun moment voulu gêner les locaux en jouant le touriste
curieux ou relou qui prend des photos à tout va de tout et n'importe quoi.
Même si je n'ai rien contre les gens qui photographie, faut bien rapporter des
souvenirs mais de là ) photographier les mendiants comme j'ai pu en voir le voir
je trouve cela honteux.
Le seul endroit où j'étais efefctivement en touriste tel qu'on peut en comprendre
le sens c'est lorsque l'on est parti à Phuket, où là ben oui, je flannais, je déambulait dans
la rue comme tant d'autres, mais d'un côté sans tout ces gens comment vivraient les locaux ?
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Celui qui pose une question risque cinq minutes d'avoir l'air bête. Celui qui ne pose pas de question restera bête toute sa vie.
("Qd je voyage, c'est aussi pour rencontrer des gens avec qui je me sent un peu en phase dans ma façon de vivre et de voyager, et de découvrir d'autres façon d'être, de vivre, de penser, de travailler avec les populations locales. "
Pour moi c'est ça être touriste -
car invité on l'est toujours! !!! que l'on soit accueilli dans une famille ou non ! simplement le fait d'être sur un autre sol que le sien -
La découverte, l'étonnement, la fébrilité de ne rien vouloir manquer ! la maladresse devant cetaines situations, nous fait oublier quelque fois que nous sommes " seulement des invités"
"Heureux sentiment que de se sentir un peu privilégiés, de vivre des choses qui ne sont ni dans le routard, ni dans le lonely."
ce sentiment merveilleux il arrive à nous toucher dans des moments de retenue, de complicité muette ou gestuelle, des situations cocasses ou plus tristes . chacun le trouve en lui ( donc avec ce qu'il est et ce qu'il apporte ) et certainement pas grâce aux guides !
bon enfin ! c'est mon avis de petite voyageuse !!!😏
OK le terme de touriste dérange tous ceux d'entre nous qui se prennent (moi y compris) pour des grands voyageurs, c'est pourtant ce que nous sommes tous. Quant à la notion de respect, il n'y a rien de plus subjectif... Allez, faut assumer ! nous sommes tous une bande de petits veinards qui a les moyens (ou se les donne) d'aller voir si l'herbe est plus verte ailleurs, et le bidochon caméra au poing derrière la vitre de son gros bus n'est pas si différent... juste peut être un peu moins éduqué ( et encore).
Perso j'ai du mal à me considérer comme une invitée, on ne m'a pas demandé de venir. Juste une touriste qui essaie de pas trop déranger...
je voulais juste dire qu'il nous acceptent dans leur pays, et qu'on n'est pas chez nous, c'est tout.😉 C'est comme qd on est chez des copains, on essaye de se tenir (bien que cela reste très subjectif !!)
Allez, faut assumer ! nous sommes tous une bande de petits veinards qui a les moyens (ou se les donne) d'aller voir si l'herbe est plus verte ailleurs, et le bidochon caméra au poing derrière la vitre de son gros bus n'est pas si différent... juste peut être un peu moins éduqué ( et encore).
oui, c'est vrai, c'est juste la crainte de ne pas devenir trop bidochon, et de garder une certaine naïveté ...
Le problème, c'est qu'on est toujours le bidochon de quelqu'un... pour certains, partir avec un billet d'avion et le lonely en poche, c'est l'aventure, pour d'autres c'est trop touriste : je me souviens d'avoir rencontré un couple de français de mon age qui voyageaient sans prendre jamais aucun guide, avec la tente sur le dos et un GPS, et qui m'ont dit "c'est notre 2ème tour du monde, ce coup ci on se le fait un peu plus bourge..."
Et puis sur VF aussi, yen a du bidochon.... je suis attérée chaque fois que je vais dans la rubrique antilles (je n'y vais parfois que pour ça d'ailleurs) de tomber sur des gens dont le seul problème c'est savoir où acheter un bikini string à Cuba...
ça pourrait être une idée d'ailleurs, descerner des prix du VFiste : le plus bidochon, le meilleur élève, le plus éco-touriste, etc... de belles engueulades en perspective !!!
C'est un bon resumé les pays du sud est asiatiques ne m'invite pas, je me balade tranquille avec le plus de respect possible, maintenant j'ai la meme atitude "chez moi et en balade", j'appelle ca de l'education.Daniel
Ce sont des questions que les gens posent qui m’étonnent toujours.
Comment peut-on imaginer ne pas être un touriste alors que l’on va dans un pays pour son plaisir, ou pour se détendre, ou pour s'enrichir, ou pour se cultiver. Chacun de nous correspond à au moins un de ces buts. La définition est précise, donc nous somme tous touristes, essayez de penser le contraire est une erreur. Car pour un « local » qu’il soit Thaï ou Parisien, vous serez toujours un touriste.
Alors certains me diront « non, je suis un voyageur ». Mais posez-vous la question du pourquoi vous êtes là et si vous entrez dans un seul des buts de la définition, vous êtes un touriste.
Si vous ne désirez pas être touriste dans un pays étranger au vôtre, il faut y aller par obligation, pour y travailler, par exil ou plein d’autres raisons souvent peu agréables.
Je suis de l’avis de Piaf, dès qu’on est quelque part, ce quelque part devient touristique par définition ! La concentration de touristes n’a que peu d’importance si ce n’est pour les autres touristes…
Le seuil de ce qui est « trop touristique » varie de l’un à l’autre selon vos critères à vous. Mes critères ne sont pas les vôtres. Certains dès qu’il y a un autre touriste, ça devient « massif » pour d’autres, un site comme Angkor, en dessous de 50 c’est supportable.
Souvent avec la notion de « touriste » vient la notion « d’authentique »… tout ça, se sont des questions de valeurs et ce que vous y mettez, c’est donc aussi proche à chacun.
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Beaucoup d'idées intéressantes sur les posts ...
En effet, nous sommes tous, d'une certaine manière, des "touristes" (voir synonymes : promeneur, voyageur, etc...)
On peut aussi voir le mot comme touriste : qui fait un tour, par analogie à curiste : qui fait une cure...
Et nous faisons tous "un tour"... dans notre quartier, dans notre pays, dans un endroit que nous avons choisi... tant qu'à faire "un tour", autant que ce soit un tour agréable...
Ce que la plupart d'entre nous détestons, je suppose, ce sont les gens qui arrivent "en conquérant"... avec cette indécence du "j'ai du fric, je paie et je t'emm... !" Il ne faut pas aller à l'autre bout du monde pour en trouver, il y en a dans chaque quartier, dans chaque ville, dans chaque communauté... C'est bien dommage que l'on ait assimilé le mot "touriste" à ce genre de personnes, mais on ne changera pas les choses. En langage populaire, on dirait "gros c... !", "gros beauf", ou n'importe quelle gentillesse que nous utilisons tous (en parole ou en pensée... lol...), mais cela ne ferait pas "bien" dans un post :
"Pourriez-vous m'indiquer des endroits où il n'y a pas trop de gros c... ?, SVP", politiquement incorrect, isn't it... ? Et pourtant, c'est probablement ce que beaucoup d'entre nous voudraient dire...
Personnellement, j'essaie de toujours être une "touriste respectueuse", des autochtones comme des autres "touristes", et je voudrais ne croiser que des "touristes respectueux"... dans mon quartier, dans ma ville, dans mon boulot et dans n'importe quel endroit du monde.
Pour moi, LE mot à garder toujours en mémoire et à appliquer du mieux que nous pouvons est tout simplement "RESPECT"
Juste pour dire que je suis finalement trés heureux d'avoir initié ce post parce que je le trouve de haut niveau, trés intéressant, et invitant à la réflexion, ce qui peut être quelquefois aussi le but d'un forum en dehors de rensigner sur le temps qu'il fait ou le meilleur moyen d'aller d'un point A a un point B. perso, vous m'apportez beaucoup... Voila... Et si le hasard le veut, je serais heureux de croiser votre route...😏
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
Merci henridusud de nous permettre de débattre à ce niveau. L'important en toute chose, est de ne pas juger, car comme dit plus haut, chacun à son échelle de valeurs qui vaut ce qu'elle vaut mais qu'il ne faut surtout pas appliquer aux autres !😉
Chacun est libre d'apprécier, pas de juger .
Déclarer haut et fort "il y a trop de monde ou c'est sale, ou quelle misère, etc......" c'est déjà juger par rapport à son vécu ou a son train de vie. Pour être Zen, il suffit de se rappeller de temps en temps qu'on est tous le gros C.. de quelqu'un, quelque part. Cela remet les choses à leur place.... enfin je pense... 😏
Tout le monde meurt, peu de gens vivent .
Je n'aime pas donner des réponses ... . Aujourd'hui, quand on donne aux gens des réponses, ils ont l'impression qu'on les prend pour des imbéciles et qu'on empiète sur leur liberté.
Mon testament philosophique
Citations de Jean Guitton
"invités par qui ?..
Perso j'ai du mal à me considérer comme une invitée, on ne m'a pas demandé de venir. Juste une touriste qui essaie de pas trop déranger... "
Subtilité de la langue française ? Il est tout à fait possible de s'inviter soi-même, nous n'en somme pas moins des invités, avec toutes les règles que la bienséance impose à tous individus ayant un minimum d'éducation et de savoir vivre. 😛
Point n'est besoin de recevoir un carton d'invitation pour etre une invitée ! 😉
En Languedoc-Roussillon les règles sont-elles différentes ? 😎
"L'endroit où l'on vit est toujours les vacances des autres"
"Ceux qui luttent ne sont pas sûr de gagner... ceux qui ne luttent pas ont déjà perdu d'avance..."
I'm still hoping to go grab a beer with any of you somewhere around my neighborhood - i.e. Bangkok - Thailande
Hialle, tu prends des risques 😉 j'en connais au moins un qui passera pas la porte de chez moi 😛 OUI mais lequel ??? 🤪 Mais c'est quoi se besoin de mettre les gens dans des cases! touriste ici, invite là...pourquoi pas seulement un HOMME dans /sur une planete qui est confiee a chacun, L'AUTRE nest jamais tres tres loin de nous memes, d'ailleurs toute notre vie ne se resume t elle pas a cette recherche de ce que nous sommes.? Celui que je suis est toujours devant moi (qlq soit" sa race ", son pays); pour les VF je proposerait le prix de l'invention!😏
Tu classifies et tu catalogues, là... Il y a des ... et certains... partout, de toutes les races, castes, niveaux socio-culturels, nous avons tous nos emm... et, bien évidemment, selon l'endroit où nous habitons, nous dirons les ceci ou les cela... Moi aussi, j'ai du mal avec certains..., mais je n'oublie pas que d'autres, de la mm nationalité ou origine sont des amis formidables.
A Louvain-la-Neuve, où j'habite, il y a 106 nationalités représentées sur un total de +/- 30.000 habitants/résidents (cité universitaire) et il y a bien entendu des... et des... mais il y a aussi beaucoup de supers !
Vos messages font preuve d'un bel humanisme. Je voulais juste vous le dire...
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
Tu as raison, en voyage, l'étranger c'est nous ....
Alors quels que soient la façon de voyager, le pays, les moyens, les experiences .......... beaucoup d'humilité.
La... je deviens febrile😕, je vais aller me coucher ///car il se fait tard 🙁.J, ai un mechant mal de tronche . quand je lis vos posts j, aurais une mechante envie de me tirer un bastos dans le teston ....🏴☠️
sur l, arbre qui donne des pommes il n, y a pas de citrons
Quoique la question soit mal posée au départ (ou pipée).
parce qu'en Thailande, le gros flot de touriste est thailandais;
sur 6 millions de touristes l'année dernière (à comparer aux 70 millions qu'à reçue la France pour la même année),
il y a environ 500.000 farang plus environ 500.000 étrangers de couleur jaune; le reste: 5 millions, c'est des thai
J'habite Paris, et dès que je quitte mon arrondissement pour aller sur les Champs (par exemple), je suis un touriste.
Là où je mets les pieds devient immédiatement touristique 😉
En Thaïlande, j'évite les endroits de tourisme de masse, en gros là où les gros tours operators amènent leurs clients.
Mais les endroits ou les fêtes courus par les thaïlandais me plaisent bien.
"On a toujours quelqu'un au dessus de soi; par-delà Dieu même s'élève le Néant" Cioran
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Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur
Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral.
Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo).
Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok:
* Orangutan Center
* Malayan Sun Bear Center
* Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan.
Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari.
Jungle walk.
Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari.
Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port.
Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar
5 full days.
* Snorkeling
* Hiking
* Turtle watching
* Wild beaches
* Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland.
Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali.
And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people!
So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops):
- 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud
2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa)
1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...)
- 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces)
- 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai
- 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed)
- 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island)
- 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan)
- 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels.
Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?)
Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?)
Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027:
- Phnom Penh
- Kampong Cham
- Kratie
- Siem Reap
- Battambang
- Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights.
Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above.
Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations:
We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights:
The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1:
We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2:
This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3:
With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4:
Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings.
We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops.
In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5:
Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6:
This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8:
Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10:
On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12:
We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines.
Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment.
We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15:
From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP).
We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning.
We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise.
Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16:
We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town.
It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view.
We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise.
In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911.
On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city.
We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17:
Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning.
Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in.
The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances:
In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary:
Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional.
Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips:
Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred.
PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront).
Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight)
· Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok)
· Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok)
· Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x")
· Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x")
· Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok)
· Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok)
· Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok)
· Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling.
For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees?
We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo.
Thanks for your tips and help!
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.