nous projetons mon mari et moi de nous rendre au tibet en aout prochain ; nous devrions arriver par le transsiberien a pekin ;
j'ai peu d'infos sur le nouveau train : pekin, lhassa faut il avoir un visa special ? les departs se font ils vraiment de pekin ? combien coute un trajet ?
merci de vos reponses
"L'important c'est d'avoir des reves suffisamment grands pour ne pas les perdre de vue lorsqu'on les poursuit" O.Wilde
Juste de retour de Lhasa par le train (Aller retour par voie terrestre): il faut encore un permis officiell;ement pour acheter les billets, coute minimum 500Y (50 Euros) en passant par une guesthouse. Cependant, une fois le billet achete (et presque meme avant...), le permis n est plus controle nulle part - du moins c est la situation la semaine derniere, en basse saison. Meme pas besoin de permis supplementaire pour les autres regions le long de la Friendship higway vers Kathmandu.
Depart de la gare de Pekin ouest a 21h30, 48h de trajet (environ)
Soft Sleeper 120 Euros, Hard sleeper entre 75 et 85 euros.
en fevrier 07, reservation de la veille pour le lendemain, sois meme en allant a la gare - vraiment pas sorcier du tout, juste un peu faire la queue et affronter l immense gare. Sinon 5 Euros de commission en passant par une agence.
nous etudions actuellement deux trajets : soit pekin - lhassa
soit pekin - hong kong via xian et gullin ; les distances sont enormes et les trajets en train sans doute incontournables ; je vais comparer train, avion ???, bus ou location voiture ce qui me parait "aventureux"
es tu aller ds ces villes ? xian et gullin ??
merci d'avance
eliane
"L'important c'est d'avoir des reves suffisamment grands pour ne pas les perdre de vue lorsqu'on les poursuit" O.Wilde
Xi an bof, sympa mais sans plus
Guilin j y vais bientot.
En tout cas, les 2 sont tres differents de Lhasa !!!!! pas du tout le meme trip.... si tu as du temps le Tibet c est genial, j aimerais y retourner au 2 mois...
j'ai entendue dire que le transport de voyageur ertangé n'etait pas prevu avant fin 2007...
et que si il etait autorisé avant il fallait voyager en groupe de 4 personne...
quelqun peut il me confirmer ou minfirmer ces informations?.
j'ai recu un message de bullfr que tu trouveras ds les forums sur ce theme qui expliquait tres bien les possibilites de se rendre au tibet ;
à priori, il n'y a aucun pb pour se rendre à Lhassa ;
lis le message il contient des indications interessantes...........
cordialement
"L'important c'est d'avoir des reves suffisamment grands pour ne pas les perdre de vue lorsqu'on les poursuit" O.Wilde
bonjour
nous envisageons de prendre le train pékin lhassa, nous ne voulons pas le faire d'une traite
Pouvons nous faire des stop ? qu'est-ce qui se passe pour le billet de train ?, avez-vous des adresses d'hôtel dans les différents stop ? Quelles sont les villes que vous avez rencontrées sur la ligne de train qui valent vraiment le coup de s'arréter.
J ai fait le Pekin Lhassa debut septembre 2006. J ai achete mon billet la veille a la gare (38€ en hard seat, si tu veux le plus bas prix et c est vraiment supportable...et pourtant j ai 60 ans ! comme tt le monde s allonge plus ou moins par terre, t as ta banquette pour toi seule...) Comme l a dit l un des forumistes, aucun controle de permis ni ds le train ni au Tibet pdt mon sejour...Bon voyage. Lydie
merci pour ces renseignements ; sais tu si on peut prendre ce train "en route", je precise :nous voudrions le prendre à chengdu ?
que faut il voir au tibet ? quels sont les incontournables ? nous comptons rester 4/5 jours
quel hotel nous conseilles tu ???
merci d'avance
"L'important c'est d'avoir des reves suffisamment grands pour ne pas les perdre de vue lorsqu'on les poursuit" O.Wilde
Bonjour,
nous allons voyager par ce train en avril. Nous avons mon mari et moi 72 et 55 ans ... et une petite inquiétude: avez-vous constaté beaucoup de malaises dans ce train . Les paysages sont-ils aussi fabuleux qu'on le dit ou on les rate durant la nuit?
Merci pour votre réponse
Patemo
Lydie tu dis que tu n'as payé que 38€ pour faire Pékin Lhassa, qu'est ce que tu comprends dans le prix ? Simplement le billet ou tu avais aussi le permis ? Si tu n'as acheté que le billet comment as tu fait pour te le procurer sans permis ?
Merci pour les infos
coucou...
Comme le dit Kailash, le Pékin-Lhassa ne passe pas à Chengdu mais à Xian, Lanzhou, Golmud...si je me souviens bien.
Au Tibet, certains louent un 4x4 à plusieurs. Moi, j avais pris un petit voyage organisé avec un groupe Chinois...pas cher mais je ne comprenais rien de ce que disait la guide...Par contre, comportement tres amical des Chinois à mon égard = merveilleux souvenirs...Nous avions "fait", entre autres, le parc de Nyingo ou qq chose comme ça. Je crois que l un des plus beaux sites serait la lac Namtso...tout le monde en parlait là-bas...
Je logeais dans un dortoir à 8 ou 10 personnes (tout à fait vivable...) dans une sorte de Guest House qui s appelait "Yak Hotel", le moins cher, je crois, indiqué sur le Routard. Personnel sympatique.
Bon voyage. Lydie
C'est vrai, j'ai acheté le billet AVANT d'avoir le permis en allant directement à un guichet de la gare (la galere !). On s'en est vues pour se comprendre, la guichetière et moi, c est peut-etre pour ça qu'elle n'a pas posé plus de questions pour le permis. Je l'ai fait avec la Guest House et il m'avait coute 45 € en septembre 2006. Donc, Permis + billet = 83 €.
Bon voyage ! Lydie
Bonjour ! J'ai 60 ans et j'ai fait le Pékin-Lhassa il y a 6 mois : je n ai pas senti le moindre malaise...pourtant j habite dans les Landes à 0 metres d'altitude..;Je n ai pas vu de problemes autour de moi. De toutes facons, ils nous fournissent des canules individuelles à brancher sous notre banquette en cas de manque...
C'est vrai qu'on rate certainement de beaux paysages durant la nuit mais on a aussi pas mal d'heures avec des vues grandioses, alors on n y pense pas...
Bon voyage 🙂 Lydie
Merci beaucoup pour la réponse, je croi qu'il n'ya pas beaucoup d'agence ou de guest house qui propose le permis sans le trajet. Cette guest house est à Pékin ? Comment s'appelle t-elle ? Les nuits sont cheres ?
Merci c'est vraiment cool tous ces renseignements!
Charlotte
La guesthouse s appelait "Far East Hotel" situee dans les fameux hutongs (vieux quartiers) de Pékin. Malheureusement je ne me souviens plus de l'adresse exacte. Elle est sur le Routard que j ai abandonné ds mon périple... Pas chère mais dans un dortoir à 4 filles. Tres agréable (le dortoir et la guesthouse.) Je n ose plus te dire le prix mais je crois que ca correspondait à 2 ou 5 € la nuit. Si j ai plus de précisions je te le signale...
Salut. Lydie
quelqu'un pourrait il me dire si le train pekin lhassa vaut vraiment le coup?? est ce une experience indispensable?
on part 3 semaines pour faire lhasa kathmandou et je me demande s il faut aller de pekin à lhasa en train ou en avion, est ce que ça vaut le coup de passer a coté de certaines visites à pekin ou lhasa pour se taper 48h de train ??
j attends vos reponses faites moi part de vos experiences.
bnkn
Je compte faire ce trajet en novembre prochain, quand il y aura un peu moins de touristes et qu'il fera un peu plus frais.
Si je pense pouvoir donner un conseil, c'est d'acheter une carte SIM à Beijing et le numéro de téléphone portable correspondant. Les communications passent à peu près partout et ne sont pas chères.
Personnellement, je m'en servirai de machine à traduire.
En novembre dernier j'étais dans la montagne en Mandchourie et il n'y avait aucun problème.
On m'a fait manger de la viande de chien au moins trois fois avant que je le sache...😛😛😛
Pour obtenir un permis d'entrée au Tibet, il faut passer par une agence, mais celle-ci n'oblige pas le fait d'être accompagné d'un guide ? Ou y a t il moyen de l'obtenir sous d'autres conditions ?
Perso pas chaud à paser trois jours avec un guide ...
J' aimerais savoir si certains d' entre vous ont rallié Pékin à Lhassa par le fameux train assez récent qui monte en 48h (un peu plus peut être?). Merci de me…
Je recherche des info sur le train Pékin/lhassa pour des amis qui parcourent l'asie en vélo (inde, thailande, cambodge, laos, chine, tibet?) si vous avez des…
Nous sommes actuellement a pekin, nous avions dans l idee de prendre le train pekin lasha, mais malheureusement nous ne trouvons aucun ticket ici a pekin, nous…
Je prévois un voyage uniquement en train ou transports en commun sur toute l'Italie au mois d'octobre (en espérant qu'il fasse encore beau !).
J'aimerai voir évidemment certaines destinations touristiques, mais aussi sortir un peu des sentiers battus, et j'espère trouver de l'aide ici ? Je ne compte pas m'éterniser dans les villes.
En partant du Nord, j'aimerai faire le lac de Côme ou d'Orta ; passer par les Cinq Terres pour un peu de randonnée, quelques jours à Naples, à Rome, puis descendre en Sicile.
Hi there,
I’ll be traveling to Japan this coming August. We’ve finalized our itinerary and booked our flight tickets. Now I’m at the stage of buying train tickets for the few segments we’ll need to cover:
Tokyo - Hakone
Hakone - Kyoto
Kyoto - Osaka
Osaka - Tokyo
Here are my questions:
a) Is it possible to buy train tickets for these segments from Canada?
b) If so, which website should I use to do this?
c) And if it is possible, will we be able to print our tickets from Canada?
d) If it’s not possible, where in Tokyo should I go to buy these tickets when I arrive?
Hi everyone, I wanted to take the Paris-Berlin overnight train with a sleeper berth, the new service operated by European Sleepers.
24/05/2026 17:45 Paris-Nord (actually 16:00 from Paris Bercy Seine) -> 25/05/2026 9:59 (actually 7:30 in Berlin)
05/06/2026 18:31 Berlin (actually 20:00) -> 06/06/2026 10:00 Paris Nord (actually 12:30)
Part of the journey was operated by bus instead of the promised overnight train.
For 2 people: 340 € round trip
A total disaster. Never again. I was really looking forward to taking the overnight train, but we faced last-minute changes and truly unpleasant travel conditions. Here are the details:
1) 2 days before departure: email announcing a change of departure station for the outbound trip—Bercy Seine bus station instead of Gare du Nord.
2) Change of schedule: 4:00 PM from Bercy instead of 5:45 PM from Gare du Nord.
3) Change of transport mode!! A bus from Paris to Brussels, then an overnight train from Brussels to Berlin. No functional toilets on the bus. No children under 4 allowed on the bus.
4) On the sleeper train at 9:30 PM: no functional toilets in our carriage, so we had to go to other carriages, even in the middle of the night, to find working ones.
5) The onboard staff, though very friendly, were as lost as we were. In particular, they didn’t know how to handle the lower berths, so people using them had less space (armrests and backrests). Berth numbers weren’t respected, so some passengers had to move. The staff also didn’t know who was supposed to join the compartment during the journey.
6) Arrival at 7:30 AM in Berlin instead of 10:00 AM. No arrival announcement. Passengers had to search for staff to get breakfast and ended up with just a coffee (breakfast = 15 €, not bad for just a coffee).
7) Return trip: drastic schedule change announced by email on 26/05/2026—departure at 7:30 PM instead of 6:30 PM, with arrival between 12:00 PM and 1:00 PM in Paris instead of 10:00 AM. No change in transport mode announced.
8) Change in transport mode announced by email on the same day (05/06/2026)!! Overnight train from Brussels to Berlin, then a bus from Paris to Brussels. No functional toilets on the bus. Children under 4 banned from the bus, and families in this situation were asked to find another way—after being notified the same day.
9) The overnight train arrived at Berlin station with a 30-minute delay on top of its initial delay (scheduled for 6:31 PM, then 7:30 PM, finally arriving at 8:00 PM). The heating was blasting in the compartment with no way to turn it off. No functional toilets in the carriage. From that point on, customer service stopped responding to my messages.
10) Woken up at 5:00 AM with an announcement in all carriages about arrival in Liège.
11) Woken up again at 6:00 AM to be told we’d arrive in Brussels at 7:00 AM.
12) Arrival in Brussels at 7:00 AM and a one-hour wait for the bus to Paris. No functional toilets on the bus.
13) Arrival at Paris Nord at 12:30 PM, so 2.5 hours late compared to the originally scheduled time.
14) The overnight trains used are very old—I recognized the carriages from 20 years ago!! No functional power outlets, no Wi-Fi, no air conditioning. Five people per compartment is a bit cramped, but I consider these conditions expected (especially the air conditioning), so I’m not complaining about that. There’s already plenty to gripe about with the travel conditions.
I have little hope of getting even a partial refund. Customer service emails acknowledge the discomfort but only offer to reimburse the cost of a coffee on board if we send them the receipt... a bit weak.
I’m sharing this experience in the hope it might help others.
Hi there,
I’d like to take the Train of the Clouds from Lima to Huancayo.
I’ve heard it only runs during certain periods.
Does anyone have info on this?
Thanks!
HuancayoHuancayo
As part of my professional thesis, I’m conducting a study on the evolution of long-distance rail transport in France, particularly since it opened up to competition.
I’ve put together a very quick (about 5-minute) and completely anonymous questionnaire. Your answers will help me better understand users' expectations regarding pricing, frequency, and environmental impact.
We’re planning a 15-day trip to Uzbekistan in March—classic independent itinerary: Tashkent, Samarkand, Bukhara, Khiva. We’d like to take the train between each city, but I don’t want to lock down the whole trip before we leave.
So, my question is: is it absolutely necessary to book train tickets before departure, whether for the high-speed trains or the regional ones? Is booking really essential for the regional trains?
Hello,
We’re traveling as a family with two boys aged 10 and 12 to Cairo in February. During our trip, we’re planning to take an overnight train (with or without a sleeper) for the Cairo-Aswan route.
Do you know how I can book this remotely?
Also, I’m looking for:
- A local contact to sail the Nile by felucca for 3 days from Aswan
- A contact to guide us in Cairo
Looking forward to your tips, and thanks in advance!
Marie
Hi everyone,
I first traveled solo to Japan in 2019, exploring the Kyushu region (28 days), and I’m planning to return with my daughter (she’s an adult and it’ll be her first time in Asia) from April 25 to May 9.
I’m reaching out on this forum to ask for route ideas—this time north of Tokyo, but without heading to the Sapporo island (I’m saving that for a future trip).
I’d love to take advantage of the cherry blossom season and its festivities.
I’m looking to create a route that’s a little off the beaten path while staying within 5-6 hours by train from Tokyo to avoid spending too much time on transfers.
Thanks in advance for sharing your suggestions and experiences!
Michael
I'm heading to MEXICO IN NOVEMBER 2025. Since private guides and drivers are really expensive—over 300 € per day—I'm thinking of exploring the Yucatán by train. CAN YOU SHARE ANY INFO ON THIS? Thanks
Hi there!
We’re planning to visit Serbia (1 week) and then Montenegro (2nd week) with our kids from April 18 to May 4. We’d prefer to travel by train (overnight if possible), but we’re not sure which platform to book on or when to do it (is it too early?). If anyone has any tips, I’m all ears!!
Je voulais savoir si il etait possible d'aller de Tashkent à Almaty en train sans passer par le Kirkistan. On m'a dit que la frontière etait souvent fermee 😕 entre ces l'ouzbekistan et le kazakhstan
merci d'avance
Olivier
Hi there!
We’re planning to head back to Istanbul next year—obviously by plane—and then take the train from Istanbul to Antalya. Has anyone here already made this trip by train with TCDD?
I’d love any tips or info that could be useful for us!
I need to take a sleeper train from Bangkok to Vientiane in January.
I found some ticket options on 12Go Asia, but booking doesn’t seem possible at the moment. I’ve tried simulations for several dates, but no luck.
I’m wondering if it’s already fully booked, if they’ve stopped selling tickets… yet 12Go still features it every day 😕
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Can I find tickets on another site? (I tried Baolau, but no sleepers left for January 8th.)
Hi there,
I’m a bit late to be worrying about this, but hopefully someone can help me before I leave.
Tomorrow afternoon, I arrive at Lyon Part-Dieu on the TGV at 5:50 PM and take the TER to Mâcon at 6:16 PM. Is a 26-minute transfer doable? Are the TGV and TER on the same departure board? And are they on the same platforms too?
I’ve been to Lyon before but never had to make a connection after arriving.
Thanks
I can’t seem to complete the payment for my trip on the IRCTC (Indian Railways) site. No matter which payment method I choose, my Visa card isn’t accepted.
Has anyone here managed to do it, and if so, could you share the method you used?
Thanks in advance!
Charlie
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region.
After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani?
Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient).
But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this?
We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help,
and have a great Sunday!
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us.
I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com.
Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend?
Are the tickets changeable?
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas).
This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima.
I’m looking for suggestions and advice:
Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips...
Do you think it’s possible to do something like this:
5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku)
3 nights in Kyoto
2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo?
2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy...
Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train.
Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question:
Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.