dans un autre message on me disait que sur la route principale Marrakech à Ouarzazate par le col Tizi n'Tichka il y avait beaucoup de circulation, donc certainement pas très agréable à vélo,
j'ai vu en regardant sur maps'me qu'il y avait 2 options au début ce qui permettrait peut être de sortir plus tranquillement de Marrakech, la 1iére option par la route 2012 puis 2010 via Sidi Abdallah Ghiat et Douar Ait Faska
et la 2 ième option par la 210 via Oulad Hassoune, Ait Sidi Daoud et Touama, connaissez vous ces itinéraires, la circulation, l'état des routes en hiver et les endroits pour se ravitailler
si vous avez d'autres suggestions je suis preneur
bonjour j'avais fait cette route en car de la STM (celle par le Tizi n'Tichka) et je n'ai pas souvenir d'une route très fréquentée.
Le Haut-Atlas est une zone assez reculée donc peu de population.
Par contre c'est une route qui n'est pas très facile car beaucoup de lacet et en hiver il risque d'y avoir de la neige.
Cependant c'est mon point de vue il vaut se qu'il vaut 🙂
merci pour ta réponse,
en bus on n'a bien sur pas la même vision des difficultés de circulation
surtout si la route n'est pas large et s'il n'y a pas un bas côté assez large et roulant pour avoir une échappatoire
quand avais tu emprunté cette route?
pour les montées pas de souci je suis habitué
je roule toujours avec un rétroviseur ce qui donne déjà un aperçu du véhicule qui va me dépasser
bon voyage à toi aussi
Une variante possible est la route 307 entre Imin'Ifri et Skoura , pour le coup peu fréquentée et magnifique. Le problème est qu'il n'y a pas d'hôtel sur le trajet. Si vous n'êtes pas difficile, vous pourrez toujours vous faire héberger sur la banquette d'un petit café d'un village.
bonjour Jano cette route je l'avais empruntée pendant un mois d'avril
C'est tout à fait exact dans un bus on n'a pas la même vision qu'à vélo donc je me suis un peu trompé et tout compte fait il vaut mieux prendre une route parallèle car cela permet d'éviter les camions qui empruntent les routes principales
Mea culpa pour m'être trompé
Bonjour Jano
j'ai emprunté une fois la 2012 puis la 2010 jusqu'a Al Haouz puis la N9 jusqu'au col . C'est tranquille jusqu'a Al Haouz mais ça rallonge un peu, pour la suite sur la N9 je n'ai pas souvenir de m'etre senti en insécurité.
il y a certes des camions des cars et quelques voitures mais les véhicules sont assez lents donc c'est supportable .
Par contre si tu veux éviter a tout prix l'incontournable N9 pour franchir le col , tu peux embarquer ton vélo dans un car de la CTM et demander au chauffeur de te déposer à l'embranchement de la route de Telouet.
Salut Françoise,
Sur que la "307", pour le paysages, serait une bonne alternative.
Juste une précision:
Elle n'st jamais arrivée à Skoura, mais arrive entre Zazate et Skoura ! (merci michelin !);
Côté Zazate, jusqu'au pied du djebel, je n'ai pas remarqué de solution "Hébergement".
+ Au nord , je ne sais pas, jamais été.
Bons mollets aux pratiquants de la p'tite reine,
Razul
En descendant depuis Imin’ifri ça doit le faire , Avec de quoi réparer les pneus , route pourrie avec nid de dindes ou d’autruches 😉
question hébergement en Février 2016 j’ avais repéré deux gîtes fermés .
Le mieux c’est de mettre le vélo dans le bus jusqu’au col et ensuite direction Telouet .
Bonne soirée .
J'ai fait cette route 2 fois cette année et je pense que la montée du Tichka doit être une épreuve pour un cycliste .
Soit il a plu, et c'est l'ascension dans la boue ( travaux partout) . Soit le temps est sec, et c'est l'ascension dans la poussière . Je n'ai d'ailleurs pas vu de cyclistes s'y risquer ( eau, boue, poussière, chutes de pierre un peu partout .... ), et pourtant j'ai souvent fait le Tichka dans les 2 sens . Je pense plus raisonnable l'option bus .
J'ai également fait la route 307 il y a une semaine, accompagné d'un cycliste/cyclotouriste chevronné . S'il était tenté par la portion Skoura / embranchement pour Megdaz, qui lui a semblé faisable, il y a par contre des passages dangereux entre Imi n'ifri et le même embranchement : sol fait de gravillons, poussières glissantes dans des épingles à cheveux, avec nids de dindons en prime, au bord de ravins . Bref, il ne viendra pas avec des cyclistes français sur cette route : il y a de vrais risques .
Amicalement
Bonsoir.
Effectivement, toute la route est en travaux d'élargissement, je n'ai fait que la partie Agoudim vers Marrakech un jour de gros orage en avril dernier : j'étais bien à l'aise avec le Land Rover. J'en ai vu qui marchaient à coté le la "mobylit" et combien de Dockers en panne. Choisi ton jour d’ascension.
Cordialement.
Bonjour
merci de tes infos,
effectivement à vélo si c'est en travaux et s'il a plu c'est pas marrant
je pense que j'aviserais sur place en fonction de la météo, mais si c'est sec je tenterai le coup , j'ai l'habitude des ascensions longues et dures et je ferais le parcours sur 3 à 4 jours pour aller à Ourzazate et pour profiter des endroits traversés
je vais donc éviter les routes parallèles pour trouver plus facilement des hébergements
si cela devenait trop galère, j'aurais toujours la solution du bus jusqu'au col
merci aussi à ceux et celles qui m'ont permis d'y voir plus clair
cordialement
bonjour Jano,
du pied du col tu en auras pour 1h15 pour arriver au sommet si tu montes bien !!!..
tu peut depuis Marrackech prendre sur ta droite après Aït-Ourir la route départementale qui vas rejoindre Azgour; une vingtaines de Km si mes souvenirs son bon (panneau au croisement)..
ensuite tu as une toute petite route qui rejoint la montée du Tichka et qui arrive pas loin de la cime...par contre dés le départ d'Azgour tu vas avoir un mur à franchir ; env 20% en montée sur env1km ; ensuite moins dur pour rejoindre la N9...bonne prépa..attention risque de neiges en cette période..prévoir des chaines !!!.Cdlt.Rv.
bonjour,
merci pour ton message,
en quelle année as tu fais cette route? car dans un précédent message Luke 33 disait qu'il y avait pas mal de travaux d'élargissement
au niveau circulation quelle a été ton impression ?
pour les pourcentages durs ça va car je roule comme un "vieux diesel" , le mental fait le reste...
bonne route à toi aussi
cordialement
bj.Jano
j'ai du faire cette route avant l'année de l'élargissement de la N9...vers 2015..mis à part ça , je n'ai eut aucune gêne pour monter vu que les camions, et les voitures montent pas vite...comme il à déjà était dit...tu peut y aller sans crainte ...
sinon passe par Azgour , tu seras bien plus tranquille et l'air seras bien plus sein...pas de camions et pratiquement pas de voitures..tu rejoindras la N9 à env.4/5 km même moins de la cime...me souviens plus du bled, si ce n'est qu'il y a plein de routiers qui s'y arrête pour casser la croute...si tu vas vers Ouarzazate qq Km après le col , sur ta gauche env.2 km ou plus; descend vers Telouet , superbe !!!!!! et tranquille...bonne prépa..Cdlt.Rv..
bonjour,
"tu rejoindras la N9 à env.4/5 km même moins de la cime...me souviens plus du bled"
La jonction est à souk El had Zerken.
Il reste un peu moins de 6 km jusqu'au col.
L'embranchement pour Télouet est environ 4 km plus loin.
La route de Télouet a été entièrement refaite.
Je partage votre avis : passer par Telouet et l'assif Ounila vaut les 10 km supplémentaires.
Bj.J-Pierre,
tout à fait la rte vers Telouet est super bonne...un billard !!!
bien vu c'est bien ça le non du bled...car il ne figure pas sur la carte 742 ....Cdlt.Rv.
La partie nord du Tizi'n'Tichka(depuis le col vers Marrakech) était en plein travaux en mai 2019 .
Par temps de pluie et en hiver , avec un traffic dense en particulier les poids lourds , je n'emprunterais pas la N9 à vélo .Ça doit être l'enfer malgré les paysages somptueux .
Je ne connais pas assez le coin pour émettre un avis sur les parcours alternatifs donc, bon courage !
bonjour
merci à toi et aux autres forumistes pour les messages
quand j'aurais fini mon périple je mettrais un avis pour que d'autres puissent en profiter
cordialement
Jano
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I’ve got my flight ticket sorted—departing in mid-November and returning in mid-March. I’ll arrive in Santiago and leave from Buenos Aires.
I’ve already been to southern Argentina, specifically Torres del Paine National Park, and I’d love to go back to do the full W trek (I only did the shorter version last time).
I also want to do some hiking and maybe even tackle a summit. I climb and occasionally do some mountaineering, so I’ll definitely be going with a guide.
I plan to start around Temuco in Chile, with the idea of heading toward the lakes, then taking the Carretera Austral.
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Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
After testing it for three years across various modes of transport, I’m sharing this video of a bike packing case. It’s made from recycled cardboard and shrink-wrapped, with adjustable thickness and added bubble wrap depending on the level of protection you want.
Installing spacers at the fork and chainstays makes the packaging compact. With the fifteen-odd euros for shrink-wrapping at the airport, this case travels really well.
https://youtu.be/_GDJi-GqmkM
- Low bulk (1.10m x 0.70m x 0.25m for a large frame), it fits vertically in train luggage compartments and the total dimensions (x+y+z) don’t exceed 2.40m.
- Two carrying solutions for public transport and easy handling by airport staff (no more tears in the cardboard from openings).
- Discreet packaging when dealing with bus drivers and train conductors, as it looks like an ordinary parcel.
- No need to return to the starting point to retrieve the case from your outbound trip, which you’d otherwise have to store somewhere, or deal with a bulky cover to pack in your panniers.
- You can still check tire pressure through the plastic film without damaging the packaging too much.
Drawbacks: Around 3 hours for this lengthy and meticulous process—removing the wheels, pedals, handlebars, and derailleur without misaligning them, then securing all components to the frame.
If you get a chance to test it, send me your feedback for future improvements.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam.
My question is about getting back to Nantes.
Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences.
I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes.
By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains.
We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance!
Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August!
Virginie
I’m planning to build a new touring bike.
I want to prioritize lightness.
That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads.
The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper.
I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork.
Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm.
It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring.
And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear.
More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
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Our full story:
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You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
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hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed
story being posted online soon
1100 km in 11 days
beautiful and varied regions
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Hi everyone,
Happy owner of a Pegasus Estremo bike with a Rohloff hub, which is giving me trouble with the SF11-NCX-FT-E-LITE 700C TS 300/0 fork (serial number TD01329060). It’s starting to show its age, and I’d like to repair it to extend the life of my beloved bike.
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Hi, I'd like to know if anyone has done this route recently or has reliable info.
Does the track exist, and most importantly, is there sand (for biking)?
Any info is welcome.
Cheers,
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena
vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
Hi there,
New to bike touring,
I’d love to start with a section of the Via Rhona to explore and share (route to be decided).
Looking forward to exchanging tips!
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
A big thank you to Lazarou for all the info you share in this forum!
I'm passionate about Morocco, which I cycled through back in 2009.
Last year, my wife and I explored the High Atlas by tandem. Completely smitten, we're heading back in April (Anti Atlas) and May (High and Middle Atlas), still on our tandem.
Do you have any info on the track between Amezri and Ali Ait Nito? Are the river crossings in the Tessaout still there? It's not easy to navigate with a loaded tandem... especially if the river level is high due to this year's heavy snowmelt!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes
Here are his travels
Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné
Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way
Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place
Rural and quite peaceful
A road cycling route created by Serge B...
First of all... happy New Year! Wishing you great roads in 2017!
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First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025.
It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border.
We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
Hi there,
I’m planning the route to cycle from Lille to Nordkapp with my partner.
Duration: 3 months, from May 1st to July 31st, 2026.
In the attached details below, I need to add some "non-riding" days (rest days, basically).
So I’m looking to "shorten" the trip by taking ferries or trains for some stretches. Which areas could I skip?
Thanks in advance for your great tips.
Have a good evening.
https://www.komoot.com/fr-fr/collection/4023980/-lille-cap-nord-1er-mai-au-31-juillet-2026?ref=collection
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Thanks in advance.
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Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food
I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics
Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads
The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route
I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.