Bonjour, j'ai une grosse question concernant les visas pour aller en Asie centrale! j'ai beau regarder partout sur ce forum, je ne vois pas trop comment m'y prendre! je m'explique ! je compte partir sur Moscou en janvier 2013 pour acheter sur place un billet transsiberien pour Pekin en passant par la Mongolie.
Pour obtenir les visas pour :
1) la russie = seule le billet "retour" d'avion me posera probleme... je ne compte pas prendre de retour... est ce que ca va passer ?
2) la Mongolie = pire... pas de billet d'avion du tout, et est ce qu'on doit la aussi avoir une invitation + logement pour entrer sur le territoire ?? car comment savoir à l'avance ses les dates etc, c'est impossible, enfin si, mais du coup il faut creer son propre propre voyage organisé et ne laisser aucune place à l'improvisation ?!
3) La russie = meme probleme que pour la Mongolie... pas de billet aller retour ni rien car poursuite sur la thailande, les dates ? les invits ?
Alors voilà, je me pose la question de savoir comment font les gens qui voyagent comme ca, sans tout prévoir.... est ce que c'est possible ? comment faire ? car j'ai l'impression que c'est vraiment compliqué ! On ne peut pas savoir si on va rester 3 ou 15jours en Mongolie, donc comment savoir derrière pour les dates d'arrivée en Chine...
hmhmhm... j'avoue qu'il y a quelque chose qui m'échappe !! 🤪
oui on peut voyager en improvisant....
donc a moscou on prend le visa pour la Mongolie ou bien si on n'est aps sur de ses dates on le fait tjs en russie mais à irkoust ou a Ulan Udé!
a Ub on fera le visa pour la chine
pas avion retour pour la russie? il faut faire voir que l'on va sortir du territoire, donc voir avec eux en expliquant, cela pourrait aller, ou bien prevoir la date de sortie et acheter un billet de train par ex Irkoust -Ulan Bator et ainsi on a une preuve de sortie...
mongolie? en russie lors de la demande on pourrait vous demander la preuve de sortie du territoire, le visa est valable un mois renouvelable sur place 1 mois de plus. donc là aussi acheter un billet de sortie sur la Chine de train par ex...
on peut parfois vous demander une réservation: une guest hosue vous fera cela ainsi que lettre invitation si on la demande
C'est pas si compliqué que ça.
Pour le visa russe, je peux pas t'aider, je suis passée par une agence et j'ai pas eu besoin de fournir de billets d'entrée ou de sortie. Si tu fais les démarches toi-même, je pense qu'il vaut mieux avoir une réservation que tu annules par la suite.
Le visa mongole se fait facilement en Russie. Si tu cherches un peu, il y a un post où j'explique en long et en large comment ça s'est passé pour moi à Moscou. Mais, ils ne demandent aucuns papiers.
Il est recommandé de faire le visa chinois depuis son pays de résidence. Je suis en train de le faire depuis UB et le document qui semble incontournable, c'est l'invitation. Tu trouveras des agences de voyages qui pourront te la faire pour 30$. Je pense que j'aurai pu contourner l'obligation des billets d'avion, mais j'avais quand même des réservations que tu vas faire dans un Air Market (il y en a plusieurs en ville) et c'est gratuit.
Mais si tu ne restes que 3 jours en Mongolie, ça fait un peu short car il faut compter 1 semaine pour récupérer son visa. C'est possible de payer plus cher pour l'avoir avant, mais ils ne sont pas tous le temps d'accord de le faire...
Mais aucun stress à avoir, tu donnes des dates et des réservations pour avoir le visa, une fois que tu l'as, tu fais comme tu veux et personne ne viendra vérifier! Il y a juste le visa russe qui est un peu "contraignant" car on te donne une date d'entrée et de sortie du territoire alors qu'en Mongolie et en Chine, ton visa est utilisable dans les 3 mois après ta demande.
Merci beaucoup à toutes les deux pour vos réponses! je prends note de tout ! je croyais vraiment que tous les visas devaient être fait en France ... ça soulage de savoir que celui de Mongole se fait en Russie. Je n'ai pas bien compris ce qu'était le "air market", peux tu m’éclairer ?
Pour le visa Russe, à partir du moment où je réserve une ou deux nuits sur Moscou, logiquement l'hotel me proposera une invitation?
Merci en tout cas pour vos réponses :) c'est top !
air market: agence de voyage en mongolie ils sont habitués à faire des reservations gratuites car aussi pour els mongols c'est difficile: il faut qu'il soient sur d'avoir le visa pour acheter el billet, mais comme on demande un billet pour avoir le visa c'est le chien qui se mord la queue, aussi les agences font des reservations qui ne seront effectives que si visa okay, ou bien on annule...
un mongol nait sous la yourte et meurt à cheval (proverbe mongol)
certains hotels te font l'invitation, d'autres pas ... sinon les "vouchers" s'achètent sur Internet ...
Fais les visas au fur et à mesure comme il te l'a été dit.
bon voyage
Merci d'avoir formuler toutes ces questions ( qui sont exactement celles que je me posais !) et merci aux autres pour les réponses.
je pars aussi en janvier 2013, sur le même trajet et au final pour finir également en Thaïlande, décidément...
rien de trop prévu surtout au niveau visas, une ébauche d’itinéraire, bien content d'apprendre qu'on puisse les faire au fur et à mesure.
en janvier, quid de la température en platzkart ?
et quel moyen le plus économique me conseilleriez vous pour rejoindre moscou depuis paris? ( j'ai pas encore regardé les prix eurolines et vol low cost, aucun impératif de temps et de confort bien entendu).
Salut ! non attention, il ny a que le visa pr la mongolie qui tu peux faire en Russie. Le visa pr la chine doit etre fait en France.
Pr le températures comptes du -20°c en moyenne (je crois) et sinon, bah moi j'ai acheté mon vol pr Mocou 120 euros sur ebookers. Je trouve que ca va c'est pas tres cher... ms faut s'y prendre bien à l'avance! :)))
Si! Le visa chinois peut se faire en route! C'est ce que j'explique plus haut!
C'est juste plus simple de le faire de son pays d'origine. A Ulaanbaatar, ça prend une semaine et actuellement impossible d'avoir plus de 30 jours.
Je fait le meme trajet et resterai 2 mois en RUssie et plus d'un mois en Mongolie. L'entrée en Chine devant se faire dans les 3 mois suivant l'emission du VISA je dois le faire en route.
Cependant je trouve dommage d'attentre UB pour le faire. Vu qu'il est valable 3 mois je trouve moins stressant de l'anticiper et le faire à Oulan Oude par ex. Mais je ne trouve rien la dessus. Est ce possible?
Il semble aisé de le faire à Oulan Bator certes mais je dois d'abord prolonger mon visa mongol donc la séquence des 2 me vaudra d etre 2 semaine sans passeport et ca me bloque pour aller faire du cheval dans la steppe, pénible...
en fait je vais essaye de prendr emon visa chine en france u dernier moment en mode urgent. comme il est valable 3 mois ca laisse pile le temps de faire 2mois en russie et un moi en mongolie.
Par contre our le visa chine 3 mois il me faut:
- reservation d hotel pour les 3 mois: je vais faire des reservation bookin que j annulerai ensuite
- billet AR d'avion: les billet a 3500 euros d'air france sont remboursables apparemment, je vais passer voir en agence pour etre sur et je me les fait rembourser des que j'ai envoyé les documents du visa.
Airmarket j'ai regardé leur site web mais les reservations sont en langue mongole donc j y comprends rien:)
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Hi everyone,
First of all, thank you for all the valuable information you share—it’s really helpful.
My husband and I are heading to South Korea from September 19 to October 6. We know the timing might not be ideal because of Chuseok, but for various reasons, we didn’t have other date options. Plus, this period coincides with some festivals we’ve been eager to check out: the Andong Mask Dance Festival, the Jinju Lantern Festival, and the Hwaseong Festival in Suwon.
Here’s our tentative itinerary:
09/19: Arrival in Seoul
09/20: Bus to Sokcho – explore the city or short hike
09/21: Seoraksan Park
09/22: Return to Seoul
09/23–09/26: Seoul
09/27: Bus or train to Andong – explore the city
09/28: Hahoe
09/29–10/01: Gyeongju
10/01–10/03: Busan
10/03–10/04: Jinju
10/05: Bus/train to Suwon
10/06: Suwon
So here’s my question: Given that several of our trips fall during or around festivals, will it be possible to book bus/train tickets once we’re there, or is there a risk they’ll already be sold out? Specifically for Seoul-Andong, Busan-Jinju, and Jinju-Suwon.
I was thinking of booking everything on our first day in Seoul.
And if it’s better to plan ahead, how should we go about it? I can’t seem to access the Korail (letskorail) or Kobus websites.
Thanks in advance for your answers and help—and sorry for the long post! :)
I’m planning our very first trip to mainland France in January 2027. There’ll be 2 adults and 2 kids, and we’ll mostly be traveling by train.
Here’s our itinerary:
Paris
Rouen (Normandy)
Lyon
Aix-les-Bains (with day trips to Annecy and Geneva)
Saint-Gervais-les-Bains (with Chamonix and a day in Aosta)
Back to Paris
Do you think this itinerary is well-balanced? Any tips, must-see spots, or mistakes to avoid for a first-time visit?
Hi! I’d like to make stops across France, starting from Reims, and travel by train using the Intercités. I want to discover the landscapes and picturesque villages, and make some stops along the way. Could you give me some tips? Thanks!
I can’t seem to complete the payment for my trip on the IRCTC (Indian Railways) site. No matter which payment method I choose, my Visa card isn’t accepted.
Has anyone here managed to do it, and if so, could you share the method you used?
Thanks in advance!
Charlie
I’m planning a family trip in a year. Our goal: traveling to China (and maybe Hong Kong) by train.
I’m all set with the route up to eastern Turkey.
However, I’m just starting my research for the rest of the journey—namely the Caucasus (no trains as far as I know, so buses and/or ferries), then Central Asia and China.
So, I’d love to hear any info or tips (general and forward-looking at this stage) about the train route through Central Asia and China to reach the east coast.
I’m particularly interested in details on:
- How far in advance to book / any potential difficulties with reservations
- Whether there are PASS systems (or equivalent) between countries and/or if some tickets allow stopovers, meaning you can hop on and off as you please
- Day trains vs. night trains (the latter option lets you explore cities between two legs of the journey)
- A rough idea of ticket costs
...
A huge thank you to anyone who can share some info or experiences. It’s also a great opportunity to chat about adventure after (way too) many years away from this forum.
I’m planning a trip around Italy using only trains or public transport in October (hoping the weather stays nice!).
I’d obviously like to see some tourist destinations, but I also want to get off the beaten path a bit, and I’m hoping to find some help here? I don’t plan to linger too long in the cities.
Starting in the north, I’d like to visit Lake Como or Lake Orta, pass through the Cinque Terre for some hiking, spend a few days in Naples and Rome, then head down to Sicily.
Hi there,
I’ll be traveling to Japan this coming August. We’ve finalized our itinerary and booked our flight tickets. Now I’m at the stage of buying train tickets for the few segments we’ll need to cover:
Tokyo - Hakone
Hakone - Kyoto
Kyoto - Osaka
Osaka - Tokyo
Here are my questions:
a) Is it possible to buy train tickets for these segments from Canada?
b) If so, which website should I use to do this?
c) And if it is possible, will we be able to print our tickets from Canada?
d) If it’s not possible, where in Tokyo should I go to buy these tickets when I arrive?
Hi everyone, I wanted to take the Paris-Berlin overnight train with a sleeper berth, the new service operated by European Sleepers.
24/05/2026 17:45 Paris-Nord (actually 16:00 from Paris Bercy Seine) -> 25/05/2026 9:59 (actually 7:30 in Berlin)
05/06/2026 18:31 Berlin (actually 20:00) -> 06/06/2026 10:00 Paris Nord (actually 12:30)
Part of the journey was operated by bus instead of the promised overnight train.
For 2 people: 340 € round trip
A total disaster. Never again. I was really looking forward to taking the overnight train, but we faced last-minute changes and truly unpleasant travel conditions. Here are the details:
1) 2 days before departure: email announcing a change of departure station for the outbound trip—Bercy Seine bus station instead of Gare du Nord.
2) Change of schedule: 4:00 PM from Bercy instead of 5:45 PM from Gare du Nord.
3) Change of transport mode!! A bus from Paris to Brussels, then an overnight train from Brussels to Berlin. No functional toilets on the bus. No children under 4 allowed on the bus.
4) On the sleeper train at 9:30 PM: no functional toilets in our carriage, so we had to go to other carriages, even in the middle of the night, to find working ones.
5) The onboard staff, though very friendly, were as lost as we were. In particular, they didn’t know how to handle the lower berths, so people using them had less space (armrests and backrests). Berth numbers weren’t respected, so some passengers had to move. The staff also didn’t know who was supposed to join the compartment during the journey.
6) Arrival at 7:30 AM in Berlin instead of 10:00 AM. No arrival announcement. Passengers had to search for staff to get breakfast and ended up with just a coffee (breakfast = 15 €, not bad for just a coffee).
7) Return trip: drastic schedule change announced by email on 26/05/2026—departure at 7:30 PM instead of 6:30 PM, with arrival between 12:00 PM and 1:00 PM in Paris instead of 10:00 AM. No change in transport mode announced.
8) Change in transport mode announced by email on the same day (05/06/2026)!! Overnight train from Brussels to Berlin, then a bus from Paris to Brussels. No functional toilets on the bus. Children under 4 banned from the bus, and families in this situation were asked to find another way—after being notified the same day.
9) The overnight train arrived at Berlin station with a 30-minute delay on top of its initial delay (scheduled for 6:31 PM, then 7:30 PM, finally arriving at 8:00 PM). The heating was blasting in the compartment with no way to turn it off. No functional toilets in the carriage. From that point on, customer service stopped responding to my messages.
10) Woken up at 5:00 AM with an announcement in all carriages about arrival in Liège.
11) Woken up again at 6:00 AM to be told we’d arrive in Brussels at 7:00 AM.
12) Arrival in Brussels at 7:00 AM and a one-hour wait for the bus to Paris. No functional toilets on the bus.
13) Arrival at Paris Nord at 12:30 PM, so 2.5 hours late compared to the originally scheduled time.
14) The overnight trains used are very old—I recognized the carriages from 20 years ago!! No functional power outlets, no Wi-Fi, no air conditioning. Five people per compartment is a bit cramped, but I consider these conditions expected (especially the air conditioning), so I’m not complaining about that. There’s already plenty to gripe about with the travel conditions.
I have little hope of getting even a partial refund. Customer service emails acknowledge the discomfort but only offer to reimburse the cost of a coffee on board if we send them the receipt... a bit weak.
I’m sharing this experience in the hope it might help others.
Hi there,
I’d like to take the Train of the Clouds from Lima to Huancayo.
I’ve heard it only runs during certain periods.
Does anyone have info on this?
Thanks!
HuancayoHuancayo
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I’ve put together a very quick (about 5-minute) and completely anonymous questionnaire. Your answers will help me better understand users' expectations regarding pricing, frequency, and environmental impact.
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So, my question is: is it absolutely necessary to book train tickets before departure, whether for the high-speed trains or the regional ones? Is booking really essential for the regional trains?
Hello,
We’re traveling as a family with two boys aged 10 and 12 to Cairo in February. During our trip, we’re planning to take an overnight train (with or without a sleeper) for the Cairo-Aswan route.
Do you know how I can book this remotely?
Also, I’m looking for:
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Hi everyone,
I first traveled solo to Japan in 2019, exploring the Kyushu region (28 days), and I’m planning to return with my daughter (she’s an adult and it’ll be her first time in Asia) from April 25 to May 9.
I’m reaching out on this forum to ask for route ideas—this time north of Tokyo, but without heading to the Sapporo island (I’m saving that for a future trip).
I’d love to take advantage of the cherry blossom season and its festivities.
I’m looking to create a route that’s a little off the beaten path while staying within 5-6 hours by train from Tokyo to avoid spending too much time on transfers.
Thanks in advance for sharing your suggestions and experiences!
Michael
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Hi there!
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Hi there!
We’re planning to head back to Istanbul next year—obviously by plane—and then take the train from Istanbul to Antalya. Has anyone here already made this trip by train with TCDD?
I’d love any tips or info that could be useful for us!
I'd like to go to Montserrat on my own from Barcelona. Share your suggestions with me.
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I need to take a sleeper train from Bangkok to Vientiane in January.
I found some ticket options on 12Go Asia, but booking doesn’t seem possible at the moment. I’ve tried simulations for several dates, but no luck.
I’m wondering if it’s already fully booked, if they’ve stopped selling tickets… yet 12Go still features it every day 😕
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Can I find tickets on another site? (I tried Baolau, but no sleepers left for January 8th.)
Hi there,
I’m a bit late to be worrying about this, but hopefully someone can help me before I leave.
Tomorrow afternoon, I arrive at Lyon Part-Dieu on the TGV at 5:50 PM and take the TER to Mâcon at 6:16 PM. Is a 26-minute transfer doable? Are the TGV and TER on the same departure board? And are they on the same platforms too?
I’ve been to Lyon before but never had to make a connection after arriving.
Thanks
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region.
After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani?
Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
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I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient).
But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this?
We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help,
and have a great Sunday!
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Hi everyone,
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