Profitant d'une semaine de congés après mes examens de janvier, et n'ayant pas envie de patienter jusqu'en Aout, j'ai décidé de partir 3/4 jours à partir du 5 Février.Habitant la région Nantaise, je me suis alors tourné vers la région de Vannes et le Golfe du Morbihan pour plusieurs raisons :Je ne connais pas du tout la BretagneC'est assez proche pour une courte périodeLes TER acceptent les vélosIl paraît que c'est joli.
Voilà, les présentations étant faites, j'ai besoin de vos conseils concernant plusieurs aspects, notamment l'itinéraire.En effet il est illusoire de vouloir tout faire en 3 jours, 4 maximum et ne connaissant pas la région je ne sais pas les lieux à privilégier.J'ai bien entendu parler de la côte sauvage à Quiberon, de Carnac, du joli port de La Trinité, de l'Iles aux Moines qui est appréciée en hors saison, du sentier des douaniers(toléré en vélo en février ?)...
Un des gros défauts si je puis dire est que la géographie même du site oblige parfois à faire de gros détours (exemple on ne peut pas relier locmariaquer à port navalo en basse saison, de St Philibert on doit remonter jusqu'à Auray...) ce qui oblige à faire des choix judicieux.
Je compte descendre en train soit à Vannes ou à Auray si les horaires sont possibles.
Ensuite c'est le flou total pour l'instant, la priorité étant d'être à St Nazaire ou Le croisic au soir du 3 ou 4è jour afin de reprendre le TER.
Je compte faire entre 80 et 100km par jour, la faible longueur des jours étant le principal obstacle.En effet à partir de 9h le matin et jusqu'à 17H le soir semble être le créneau.Pour le camping, j'aimerais faire du sauvage, de toute manière je ne vois guère d'autres solutions à cette époque.Existe -il des petites criques ou l'on peut passer une nuit en paix, ou des endroits assez calmes ou je pourrais planter ma tente juste pour la nuit ?
J'espère de plus ne pas avoir trop froid la nuit, car mon sac de couchage n'est pas une bête de chaleur !Mais bon c'est l'aventure je verrais bien.
Je tiens à préciser qu'il s'agit là de mon 3è voyage après un Nantes Millau et une traversée des Pyrénées et que j'ai 20 ans.
Voilà donc s'il y a des Bretons (et les autres) qui peuvent m'éclairer ça serait très sympa !
On ne peut pas tout vivre, alors l'important est de vivre l'essentiel, et chacun de nous a son essentiel.
Apparemment ça ne déchaine pas les foules, tant pis.Néanmoins je vous soumets une première ébauche de l'itinéraire.
Départ d'Auray puis descente par la D768 vers la presqu'île de Quiberon, je longerais la côte sauvage, passage à la pointe de l'île et retour par l'autre côté.Ensuite Plouharnel et les petites routes côtières entre Carnac et La Trinité.Ensuite remontée vers Auray par Crach (à moins que je ne trouve un moyen ou un pêcheur pour me faire traverser la rivière d'Auray) puis Bono, Baden et Port Blanc ou je compte aller sur l'Ile aux Moines.Je ferais le tour de l'île et je compte y passer une nuit si c'est possible.
Puis retour sur le continent et là je suis obligé je pense de remonter sur Vannes, je tacherais d'emprunter une partie du sentier des Douaniers, puis couperais à Travers via Noyalo, Surzur, Ambon, Muzillac, le barrage d'Arzal.Je continuerais par les terres et je rejoindrais la pointe à Piriac sur mer, La Turballe, Le croisic, longer la plage de La Baule pour terminer à St Nazaire.
On ne peut pas tout vivre, alors l'important est de vivre l'essentiel, et chacun de nous a son essentiel.
Pressé d'en savoir plus, et l'impatience t'as obligé à préparer un itinéraire quasi-parfait. La Presqu'île de Quiberon et sa Côte Sauvage valent vraiment le détour, tu auras ensuite le vent dans le dos pour rejoindre Plouharnel, Carnac et La Trinité. Locmariaquer en face de Port Navalo que tu ne pourras pas rejoindre par "passeur" (seulement en été).
Les distances sont courtes entre les points forts à visiter. Auray tu descendras à St Goustan, vieux port de fond de rivière, pour rejoindre Le Bono (au cimetière la tombe d'un Grand: Bernard Moitessier, dans le coin sud sous un petit olivier), son vieux pont suspendu réouvert au public. Direction Baden pour Port Blanc et passage en 5mns 3 ou 4€ sur l'Ile aux Moines.
Retour vers Vannes et Conleau (camping) (tu peux traverser vers la cale de Barrarach juste en face, cela t'évites le petit détour par l'Ouest de Séné) N'oublies pas à Séné la réserve ornitho de Falguerrec bien que trop tôt, mais déjà des bernaches. Sur ce parcours tu peux passer en vélo, ce qui n'est pas le cas partout car le GR34 est normalement interdit aux vélos par des chicanes très dissuasives.
A Séné tu as une Auberge de Jeunesse, c'est la seule du coin, de là direction Noyalo, St Armel, Sarzeau, Arzon (le Tumulus) juste à coté de la piste cyclable ancienne voie de chemin de fer. et Port Navalo et le Crouesty.
N'oublies pas un petit bonjour au Chateau de Suscino en repartant vers Muzillac et la Roche Beranrd (ou Arzal et son barrage)
Il existe un super guide gratuit édité par le Conseil Général du Morbihan 02.97.54.80.66 ou www.morbihan.fr
"Portofolio Randonnées" - Tour du Golfe d'une vingtaine de feuillets et cartes ign.
C'est le document qu'il te faut pour ton trip.Téléphone immédiatement pour un envoi rapide et free par la poste.
Le camping sauvage est possible partout avec discrétion, ou discussions. Maintenant le climat en février peut être dissuasif.
Il y a peu d'hébergements simples et d'jeunes du type gîtes mais les bretons sont très accueillants si tu sais demander à la bonne porte (voir en mairies, avec un beau sourire et tout baignera dans le beurre salé breton.
le Tour du Golfe (pédibus) fait 180 kms, superbement balisé et borné mais réservé aux piétons (GR34) borne 1 au port du Crouesty, phare d'entrée et la 181 à Locmariaquer.
tu reviens vers moi si plus de questions. kenavo
http://danydarminichi.over-blog.com
Je ne vais pas pouvoir beaucoup t'aider, mais j'ai habité 1 an a arradon, dans le golfe, a coté de vannes.
Tu peux faire le tour de la presqu'ile de rhuys (partie sud du golf...sarzeau, st gildas de rhuys.ect..), c'est super jolis, en longeant la cote (tu peux faire tout le tour de la presqu'ile), il y a pleins de petites routes tranquilles, bien plus peinard pour circuler que la route centrale qui traverse la presqu'ile jusqu'a la pointe.
La partie interieure au golf est plutot de type "marais" bien que ce soit la mer. Alors que la partie sud c'est l'ocean, les plages.
Pour le sauvage, tu n'auras pas de soucis (surtout a cette epoque, pleis de coins de verdure peinard, petites plages..ect..).
Sinon bien sur, tu as la presqu'ile de quiberon, mais je ne pourrais pas te conseiller d'itineraire.
Je pense qu'une bonne carte est encore le mieux si tu veux bien en profiter, en tout cas tu as de quoi faire, le golfe est vraiment magnifique niveau paysage!
voila, bonne route, si je peux t'aider.
Merci à vous 2 pour les messages.Je reste donc sur ce que j'avais prévu initialement en ce qui concerne l'itinéraire, apparement il est plutôt pas mal ! Je pense partir lundi, j'espère que le temps sera avec moi...Du moment qu'il ne fasse pas trop froid la nuit, c'est ce point que j'appréhende le plus car mon sac de couchage est vraiment limite.Je vais donc suivre ton conseil Daniel, à savoir aller demander en mairie en fin d'après midi s'ils ne connaissent pas un endroit où je peux planter ma tente pour la nuit.Pour ce qui est d'aller demander directement aux gens, j'hésite encore à franchir le pas.
On ne peut pas tout vivre, alors l'important est de vivre l'essentiel, et chacun de nous a son essentiel.
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Hi everyone! Thanks for welcoming me to the forum :)
I’m preparing for a long trip heading to Nepal, with stops along the way depending on my mood, work needs, and the season. I cycle a lot, but this will be my first big touring adventure. I’d like to camp regularly to keep costs down, so I’ll be riding on all kinds of surfaces: smooth and rough roads, main highways and rocky paths to find my camping spots, flat terrain and the occasional steep slopes.
For my bike model, I’m prioritizing durability, versatility, and repairability. From that perspective, I prefer a steel frame and fork with rim brakes since I’m used to them. I’ve narrowed my choices down to four models:
- The VSF Fahrradmanufaktur T-700 LTD (1400 €): steel frame, aluminum fork, hydraulic rim brakes, 28" wheels, 40mm tires, 36 spokes (2 mm), lightweight rear rack (max 20 kg), no front rack included, smallest gear ratio of 0.72, weight of 13.9 kg.
- The VSF Fahrradmanufaktur TX-400 (2200 €): steel frame and fork, hydraulic rim brakes, 26" wheels, 50mm tires, 36 spokes (2.34 mm), front and rear racks included (40+18 kg), smallest gear ratio of 0.71, weight of 15.9 kg.
- The Genesis Tour de Fer 30 (2150 €): steel frame and fork, mechanical disc brakes, 28" wheels, 36 spokes, 40mm tires, front and rear racks included (27+10 kg), smallest gear ratio of 0.77, weight of 15.9 kg.
- The Rockrider ADTV 900 from Decathlon (1700 €): aluminum frame and fork, mechanical disc brakes, USB port, 28" wheels, 47mm tires, 28 spokes, front and rear racks included (40+20 kg), smallest gear ratio of 0.71, weight of 17.1 kg. This is the successor to the Riverside Touring 900, which was a hit.
I’ve got a few questions:
1/ Should I go for 26" or 28" wheels for my trip? 26" wheels seem better for rough terrain, but 28" wheels feel more comfortable on roads. I’ve also read that 26" tires/tubes are easier to find.
2/ Do you recommend a steel frame and fork over aluminum? I’m guessing a high-quality aluminum frame and fork would be better than a low-quality steel one, right?
3/ Regarding the smallest gear ratio, is 0.71 a good number for a loaded bike in the mountains?
4/ Finally, what do you think of these four models for my project? My heart leans toward the TX-400—it seems to combine the versatility and robustness I’m looking for. But the price difference with the T-700 LTD is making me think twice!
Thanks so much for reading and sharing your thoughts!
Hi,
what are the easiest ways to get back from Nordkapp without pedaling—
train, boat, or plane?
Has anyone already done this?
Thanks for sharing your tips!
17 days, 1,400 km, and 17,500 m of elevation gain cycling in northern Vietnam! 🇻🇳 🚴🇻🇳
From the misty Fansipan to the breathtaking landscapes of the Ha Giang Loop, from remote villages to vibrant markets...
I cycled through the north of the country, getting up close with its people—through mud, heat, endless mountain passes, and unforgettable encounters.
Most importantly, I discovered a Vietnam far different from the usual tourist circuits.
Join me on this adventure through a video that captures these 17 days of travel. :)
If Vietnam calls to you, come ride a stretch with me!
Hi,
I need to arrive in Thessaloniki by bike at the end of September and I plan to head to Istanbul along the coast.
Could anyone help me pick the best route? Safety, difficulty.
Thanks in advance.
Marc
Hi,
can anyone give us some tips on how to get to North Cape from Lyon Gerland?
What’s the best route to join the EuroVelo 7?
How many kilometers is it from Lyon to North Cape via EuroVelo 7?
The best month to leave—we’re thinking early May.
Thanks for any advice!
Looking for a female travel companion for a cycling trip (arriving by plane in Porto Alegre, Brazil, and cycling toward Montevideo, Uruguay, returning by plane to France from Buenos Aires, Argentina) – 1,500 km
Hello everyone!
I’m planning a cycling trip across Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina, with a departure set for late October, November, or December. I’m looking for a travel companion to share this long-distance adventure with.
Experience:
I already have solid experience in bicycle touring in Georgia, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan. Currently, I maintain excellent physical condition by cycling an average of 250 km over 3 days per week (4 hours a day at 20 km/h).
The trip & the pace:
Daily pace: Between 50 and 80 km per day, to make steady progress while taking time to explore.
Accommodation: Flexible and authentic. We’ll alternate between wild camping, campsites, Warmshowers, small guesthouses, and budget hotels depending on opportunities and the weather.
Looking forward to reading your message and planning this amazing journey together!
I’m planning to leave Nice for Toulouse around 10/15 and I’m looking for tips / great deals regarding:
- The route: I was thinking of taking Nice - Grasse - Draguignan - Salernes - Cadarache - Cavaillon - Arles, then the Camargue, Sète, and the Canal du Midi to Toulouse. The idea is to avoid high-traffic roads and too many steep climbs. Are there any spots to avoid or must-see stops? Since it’s been a while since I’ve been on the road, I was thinking that sleeping indoors might be preferable. If you have any budget-friendly accommodation suggestions along part of the route, don’t hesitate!
Thanks in advance, and if you’re in the area around that time, we could ride together... Ciao.
Another long-time dream of Claudio’s: the Petit Mont Cenis pass and the dam at the eponymous lake.
A place where many Italians, including my father, worked in the 1950s–60s.
Faverges → St-Michel-de-Maurienne → Lanslebourg → Petit Mont Cenis → return. 315 km, 3 days. Bivouac at St-Michel-de-M.
Brouter link
Leg One: Faverges → St-Michel-de-Maurienne
Leg Two: St-Michel → Lanslebourg → Mont Cenis Lake → St-Michel
Leg Three: St-Michel → Faverges
And it finally happened in August 2026: in the Maurienne Valley about the famous cycle route known as the V67
🇷🇼 Cycling in Rwanda: 4 episodes, an off-the-beaten-path adventure
After 3 weeks and nearly 1,200 km by bike across Rwanda, I made 4 videos to share this adventure in a different way: the landscapes, the encounters, the villages… but above all, all those incredible scenes of everyday life.
The 4 episodes are available here:
👉 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGnfbxjccWAg
The 4th episode focuses on rural Rwandan life: simple, authentic, and sometimes surprising scenes that you only truly discover when you take the time to travel by bike.
If you have a few minutes, let yourself be transported to Rwanda…
Hi, I'm looking for info on cycling to Nordkapp via the EuroVelo 7. Has anyone done it already, and where’s the best place to start the EuroVelo 7?
Thanks
Hi,
We bought the MSR bike tent model (2-person + large awning that can fit 2 bikes) back in 2005. It’s served us really well, especially during a year-long trip in Africa. Now, one of the poles is broken, and we’d love to replace it since that’s the only issue with the tent—we still love it! The poles are 9.35 mm in diameter, with 8 sections of 49 cm and 2 sections of 28 cm. Total length when assembled: 416 cm. Actually, two large sections are broken: one straight and one curved. It’s a pain to find replacements since this model is no longer sold anywhere.
Would anyone have this model lying around unused and be willing to sell me a pole?
Hi everyone,
In early April, I’m redoing the Vélo Francette (La Rochelle to Ouistreham), and then I’d like to cycle along the Cotentin Peninsula (which I don’t know at all), follow the coast up to Cherbourg, and then head back down to at least Saint-Malo. I’d love to know if it’s pleasant for cycling—are the roads nice? Not too windy? What are the must-see spots? Any great campsites? All your tips and advice are more than welcome, and I thank you in advance.
Hi there,
I’m planning to bike to meet some friends in Côte d’Ivoire in early November.
I’ll be starting in Abidjan and heading to Abengourou, which is close to the Ghana border.
I’d like to take the trails. Does anyone have recent info on eastern Côte d’Ivoire?
Any tips, safety advice, or must-see stops? I’m open to all suggestions.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Fx
After testing it for three years across various modes of transport, I’m sharing this video of a bike packing case. It’s made from recycled cardboard and shrink-wrapped, with adjustable thickness and added bubble wrap depending on the level of protection you want.
Installing spacers at the fork and chainstays makes the packaging compact. With the fifteen-odd euros for shrink-wrapping at the airport, this case travels really well.
https://youtu.be/_GDJi-GqmkM
- Low bulk (1.10m x 0.70m x 0.25m for a large frame), it fits vertically in train luggage compartments and the total dimensions (x+y+z) don’t exceed 2.40m.
- Two carrying solutions for public transport and easy handling by airport staff (no more tears in the cardboard from openings).
- Discreet packaging when dealing with bus drivers and train conductors, as it looks like an ordinary parcel.
- No need to return to the starting point to retrieve the case from your outbound trip, which you’d otherwise have to store somewhere, or deal with a bulky cover to pack in your panniers.
- You can still check tire pressure through the plastic film without damaging the packaging too much.
Drawbacks: Around 3 hours for this lengthy and meticulous process—removing the wheels, pedals, handlebars, and derailleur without misaligning them, then securing all components to the frame.
If you get a chance to test it, send me your feedback for future improvements.
I just took a trip in Tunisia from Tozeur to Douz, skirting Chott el Jerid to the south. I’m back with the urge to keep going further south via the 4x4 tracks to connect Douz to Ksar Ghilane. Has anyone driven this route recently or explored southern Tunisia?
Thanks for your tips!
fix
😎Fellow traveling cyclists or not, all of you who love travel, the pleasure of physical effort, nature, beautiful machines, people with true passions they seek to fulfill, and who also enjoy reading great literature about all this—the *200* magazine is for you just as it is for me. I should mention I have no financial or other interest in this (in an era where we accuse our politicians of all sorts of vile interests, I prefer to take precautions). I’ve been subscribed since the beginning, and every three months, I get my 130 pages of dreams (the magazine just went from 110 to 130 pages).
It covers everything from the trans-America route to the TCR (Trans Continental Race) from Belgium to a small town in Turkey, with mind-blowing averages—4,000 km and 80,000 m of elevation gain in 8 days and 15 hours for the winner. Let that sink in, and all of it without assistance—accepting a patch could penalize you. There’s also a story about crossing Iran, encountering one of the world’s most welcoming populations, following in the footsteps of Nicolas Bouvier, as well as retirees leisurely traversing France. The common thread in all these stories? Beautiful writing. Take, for example, a stunning article: *"Passengers of the Cold: From Edinburgh to Thurso, at the very north of Scotland, 550 km of moors, coasts, and icy wind. In Thurso, the road ends at a quay, facing the Orkney Islands. We wanted a November trip, off-season. We wanted to surprise winter. Just before the snow."* A sublime piece on the experience of facing adversity and the chance encounters along the road and in the elements.
Before I embarked on my own bike trips, I dreamed a lot about them—from the Atacama to the Gobi, along the Mekong, and not forgetting France. And now, these 130 pages every quarter keep those dreamy vibes alive through stories written in the most beautiful prose.
I’ll stop here because it might sound like I’m advertising, but if you don’t know *200*, I invite you to discover it. It’ll give you wings for the most incredible challenges or simply reinforce your desire for slow rides with your eyes open to others and nature.
A little news to wrap up: Axel Carion and a friend just broke the record for crossing South America from Colombia to Ushuaia in 59 days. On its own, that doesn’t mean much, but I can’t help it—it makes me dream. You should see how he talks about it, the flashes of that wild nature he’s stored away: a snowstorm at Paso Jama and the surreal sight of the suddenly snow-covered Licancabur!
Luc
PS: The magazine is called *200* because a day’s ride starts at 200 km—well, I’ve never done a ride like that since my longest was 167 km (with 18 kg of luggage, mind you), but why not one day? The magazine will explain how to tackle your first 200, and then the question in conclusion: when will you do your first 300?😏
I’ve got my flight ticket sorted—departing in mid-November and returning in mid-March. I’ll arrive in Santiago and leave from Buenos Aires.
I’ve already been to southern Argentina, specifically Torres del Paine National Park, and I’d love to go back to do the full W trek (I only did the shorter version last time).
I also want to do some hiking and maybe even tackle a summit. I climb and occasionally do some mountaineering, so I’ll definitely be going with a guide.
I plan to start around Temuco in Chile, with the idea of heading toward the lakes, then taking the Carretera Austral.
I’m not sure if I’ll go all the way to Ushuaia—it’s supposed to not be *that* worth it, except for the bragging rights of saying you’ve been to the end of the world.
I saw there are lakes in Argentina too.
I don’t have a precise itinerary, but what I’d love is, once I reach the southernmost point of my trip, to take a mini-cruise to see some wildlife. Any tips for that?
What kind of sleeping bag did you take? Is a 0°C (32°F) one enough?
And one last question: white gas stove or can I get by with my gas stove?
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed
story being posted online soon
1100 km in 11 days
beautiful and varied regions
Hello,
We’d like to go on a 3- to 4-month bike trip starting in December, crossing from Assam (northeast India) to New Delhi via Nepal.
Are there routes with light traffic along the Brahmaputra and through Nepal?
We’re also looking for any info on accommodations, wild camping, local interactions, etc.
Thanks,
Michel
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August!
Virginie
Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam.
My question is about getting back to Nantes.
Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences.
I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes.
By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains.
We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance!
Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath