Nous projetons de rouler l'été prochain de Venise à Thessalonique via les îles croates, l'Alabanie, lac Orhid, puis le bout de Grèce qui nous sépare de la ville d'arrivée...
Nous voyageons avec nos enfants, le garçon, 8 ans et autonome sur son vélo, la fille, 6 ans cet été, sur une troisième roue. J'ai souvent lu qu'il était fréquent de rencontrer des chiens de berger sur les routes du nord de la Grèce... et souvent en nombre. Je connais les techniques du coup de pompe, de la gourde, des cailloux... du sprint, mais je vois mal mon fils les pratiquer, le risque de se vautrer est trop élevé... et ma fille à l'arrière est plus basse et bien vulnérable...
Alors questions:
- Quels sont les retours concrets que vous avez sur ce problème?
- Savez-vous ce qu'il en est en Albanie et en Macédoine?
- Trucs, astuces, conseils, idées, zones à éviter, itinéraires bis, transports d'appoint (bus, train, ....) ...
J'ai souvent lu qu'il était fréquent de rencontrer des chiens de berger sur les routes du nord de la Grèce... et souvent en nombre. (...) Savez-vous ce qu'il en est en Albanie et en Macédoine?
je n'ai été importunée par aucun chien en 2 semaines l'été dernier dans l'ouest de la Macédoine + région de l'Albanie frontalière des lacs Prespa et Ohrid. Une seule fois, sur une route secondaire entre Crniliste et Prilep, un chien est sorti d'une ferme en aboyant, il a fait demi-tour dès que j'ai mis pied à terre en lui parlant un peu rudement (pas en macédonien pourtant...). J'ai dépassé 2 troupeaux de moutons sur le haut plateau de Galicnik, le berger et son chien étaient là, le chien ne s'est même pas occupé de moi.
Je pense que sur le trajet que vous envisagez, les principales difficultés seront plutôt le trafic automobile sur la côte croate (que vous éviterez en grande partie en cabotant d'île en île je suppose) ou entre Venise et la sortie de Trieste, et les dénivelés entre sud de la Croatie et plaine du sud-est de la Macédoine.
Les attaques de chien sont bien réelles en Albanie mais on ne se fait pas mordre pour autant.La meilleure défense c'est les cailloux.Un simple geste suffit car les Albanais font mouche à tous les coups.le mieux est d'avoir toujours 3 cailloux à portée de main.Bon voyage
Salut la famille
La traversee de la Grece ne pose absolument pas de probleme sur les axes principaux de plus, chiens libres ou de berger, les chien en grece ont peur des hommes, un pied a terre en leur direction et arret net. De plus vue la conduite des grecques, les chiens errant ne font pas de vieux os sur les routes.
En roulant en escorte, adulte devant adulte derriere encore moins de problemes. surtout en grece gardez votre droite le plus possible et eviter les ecarts sur la routes.... patrice@grecevacances.com ou http://vacancesengrece.blogs.midilibre.com/
Bonne route
Il sont en voyage autour du monde et ont traversé la Grèce en avril 2010.
Voici ce qu'on lit ici en bas de page
…nous nous perdons en tentant encore un fois de prendre par bêtise une route secondaire qui se révèle vite être une piste peu praticable et utilisée seulement par les bergers. Et qui dit bergers dit meutes de chiens. Nous en croisons tout les km sur le bord de la route ou qui dévalent a toute bringue leurs collines pour venir nous aboyer dessus, montrer les crocs et tenter de nous mordre.
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Nous finissons par trouver une route goudronnée au bout de 2h et nous décidons de ne plus quitter, quitte à faire un assez gros détour. Malgré tout le même scénario avec les chiens se répète. Nous crions, lançons de l’eau, faisons de grands gestes, mais rien n’y fait, ils en veulent à nos mollets!!! Nous ne profitons plus des paysages tellement nous sommes aux abois, scrutant les bords de routes et tendant l’ oreille pour tenter de détecter leur présence…
…La route continue a grimper jusqu’au massif du mont Olympe qui culmine à près de 2.800 m. Elle est bien sûr parsemée de chiens agressifs qui nous donnent envie d’atteindre la côte au plus vite.
les chiens victimes de la crise économique ? Je ne sais pas.
Ceci dit, même s'ils sont nourris correctement , les chiens de berger sont dressés pour considérer tout intrus arrivant à proximité de leur troupeau comme une menace potentielle. Il y a plusieurs fils de discussion, qu'on peut retrouver par mot clé, sur les difficiles relations entre cyclo-voyageurs et chiens, avec quelques conseils concrets (mais parfois un peu contradictoires, probablement parce que tous les chiens n'ont pas le même comportement ou le même dressage)
Comme il a ete dit, les chiens sont la pour proteger des intrus... et voila... les intrus ce n'est pas vous.... mais vos velos... vous circulez sans bruit contrairement au 2 roues motorises... Les grecs n'ont pas le courage pour pedaller... la rencontre de cyclistes est chose tres rare, mais ce que dont je suis certain... c'est qu'en mettant le pied au sol il ne viendront pas sur vous... ils s'arreterons a distance respectable. Meme si c'est genant, vous ne rencontrez pas des bergers tous les km... l'exemple d'Olympe n'est pas a generaliser d'autan que sur le forum des randonneurs l'ont fait en avril et pas une remarque a ce sujet.
Peut etre avait-il une peur au fond de lui??? les animaux ressentent tres fort cette insecurite et la prenne pour une menace.
Mais jamais entendu de traumatimes grave🏴☠️... les chiens errant sont plus present dans les aglomerations pas vraiment en campagne...
😕😕😕
Effectivement il y a pas mal de chiens apparemment cyclophobes dans le nord de la Grèce. Peu nous ont réellement agressé mais beaucoup nous ont poussé à sprinter! Nous jetions des cailloux et mon mari s'arretait pour les effrayer. Cela fonctionnait bien. Rien de plus efficace. Désolée. Je ne pense pas que ce soit un gros problème lors de votre séjour. Les chiens aboient puis s'éloignent. Pour l'Albanie je ne sais pas. Bons préparatif!
En van, vélo, sac à dos...
2008 : Australie, HK, Chine, Laos 2010 : France, Italie, Grèce, Turquie 2011 : Chine, Laos, Cambodge, Thaïlande 2012 : Australie, Nouvelle-Zélande, Indonésie, Singapour, Malaisie, Thaïlande, Myanmar, Inde
bonjour,
j'ai lu sur ce site que certains cyclotouristes utilisaient aussi une petite baguette pour les chiens un peu insistant avec les mollets et les pneus de velos.
le probleme des chiens quand on randonne a velo ne se rencontre pas seulement en grece meme en france on peut avoir quelques soucis. je confirme qu'avec des enfants a velos ca peut etre tres penible mais face a des parents determines et surtout des papas en colere et vidicatifs les dits chiens degarpissent rapidement !!!
un parent devant et un a l'arriere du groupe + quelques cailloux ou une petite baguette souple et tout devrait bien se passer.
bon voyage
isadm
bonjour,
à propos des chiens, il paraît qu'il existe un appareil à ultrasons , le dazzer ! pas testé ! quelqu'un peut-il en parler question efficacité ?
Il y a plein de sujets qui en parle, avec une petite recherche... 😉
Perso j'ai acheter un truc similaire d'une autre marque... les chiens en rigolent encore...🤪
J'ai beaucoup entendu parler de ses chiens de berger en Turquie...qui semble-t-il, sont redoutables... Avez-vous des expériences à me compter...et comment vous…
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hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed
story being posted online soon
1100 km in 11 days
beautiful and varied regions
Hello,
We’d like to go on a 3- to 4-month bike trip starting in December, crossing from Assam (northeast India) to New Delhi via Nepal.
Are there routes with light traffic along the Brahmaputra and through Nepal?
We’re also looking for any info on accommodations, wild camping, local interactions, etc.
Thanks,
Michel
Hello,
Has anyone here had experience using a gas stove in Sardinia and Sicily? I’m wondering if screw-on gas canisters (not the blue Campingaz ones, but brands like Coleman, Primus, etc.) are easy to find.
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August!
Virginie
I’ve got my flight ticket sorted—departing in mid-November and returning in mid-March. I’ll arrive in Santiago and leave from Buenos Aires.
I’ve already been to southern Argentina, specifically Torres del Paine National Park, and I’d love to go back to do the full W trek (I only did the shorter version last time).
I also want to do some hiking and maybe even tackle a summit. I climb and occasionally do some mountaineering, so I’ll definitely be going with a guide.
I plan to start around Temuco in Chile, with the idea of heading toward the lakes, then taking the Carretera Austral.
I’m not sure if I’ll go all the way to Ushuaia—it’s supposed to not be *that* worth it, except for the bragging rights of saying you’ve been to the end of the world.
I saw there are lakes in Argentina too.
I don’t have a precise itinerary, but what I’d love is, once I reach the southernmost point of my trip, to take a mini-cruise to see some wildlife. Any tips for that?
What kind of sleeping bag did you take? Is a 0°C (32°F) one enough?
And one last question: white gas stove or can I get by with my gas stove?
Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
After testing it for three years across various modes of transport, I’m sharing this video of a bike packing case. It’s made from recycled cardboard and shrink-wrapped, with adjustable thickness and added bubble wrap depending on the level of protection you want.
Installing spacers at the fork and chainstays makes the packaging compact. With the fifteen-odd euros for shrink-wrapping at the airport, this case travels really well.
https://youtu.be/_GDJi-GqmkM
- Low bulk (1.10m x 0.70m x 0.25m for a large frame), it fits vertically in train luggage compartments and the total dimensions (x+y+z) don’t exceed 2.40m.
- Two carrying solutions for public transport and easy handling by airport staff (no more tears in the cardboard from openings).
- Discreet packaging when dealing with bus drivers and train conductors, as it looks like an ordinary parcel.
- No need to return to the starting point to retrieve the case from your outbound trip, which you’d otherwise have to store somewhere, or deal with a bulky cover to pack in your panniers.
- You can still check tire pressure through the plastic film without damaging the packaging too much.
Drawbacks: Around 3 hours for this lengthy and meticulous process—removing the wheels, pedals, handlebars, and derailleur without misaligning them, then securing all components to the frame.
If you get a chance to test it, send me your feedback for future improvements.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam.
My question is about getting back to Nantes.
Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences.
I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes.
By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains.
We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance!
Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
I’m planning to build a new touring bike.
I want to prioritize lightness.
That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads.
The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper.
I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork.
Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm.
It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring.
And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear.
More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.
It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.
One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.
We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.
Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.
Hi there, we’re planning a Munich to Venice bike trip at the end of June 2026. Getting back from Venice to Toulouse by train with 4 bikes isn’t straightforward. What return options have others who’ve done this trip chosen? Any tips or great deals would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch! !
Hi everyone,
Happy owner of a Pegasus Estremo bike with a Rohloff hub, which is giving me trouble with the SF11-NCX-FT-E-LITE 700C TS 300/0 fork (serial number TD01329060). It’s starting to show its age, and I’d like to repair it to extend the life of my beloved bike.
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Hi, I'd like to know if anyone has done this route recently or has reliable info.
Does the track exist, and most importantly, is there sand (for biking)?
Any info is welcome.
Cheers,
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena
vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
Hi there,
New to bike touring,
I’d love to start with a section of the Via Rhona to explore and share (route to be decided).
Looking forward to exchanging tips!
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
A big thank you to Lazarou for all the info you share in this forum!
I'm passionate about Morocco, which I cycled through back in 2009.
Last year, my wife and I explored the High Atlas by tandem. Completely smitten, we're heading back in April (Anti Atlas) and May (High and Middle Atlas), still on our tandem.
Do you have any info on the track between Amezri and Ali Ait Nito? Are the river crossings in the Tessaout still there? It's not easy to navigate with a loaded tandem... especially if the river level is high due to this year's heavy snowmelt!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes
Here are his travels
Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné
Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way
Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place
Rural and quite peaceful
A road cycling route created by Serge B...
First of all... happy New Year! Wishing you great roads in 2017!
I’ve been traveling for a few years now with a high-quality mountain bike, but it’s equipped with hydraulic disc brakes. I live (pedal) with the constant worry of a breakdown (leak, air bubble, heat causing the fluid to...). My bike mechanic tells me it’s impossible to switch them out for V-brakes.
What do you all think? Am I taking a big risk continuing (alone) with these brakes? Thanks in advance for your great tips!
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025.
It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border.
We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
Hi there,
I’m planning the route to cycle from Lille to Nordkapp with my partner.
Duration: 3 months, from May 1st to July 31st, 2026.
In the attached details below, I need to add some "non-riding" days (rest days, basically).
So I’m looking to "shorten" the trip by taking ferries or trains for some stretches. Which areas could I skip?
Thanks in advance for your great tips.
Have a good evening.
https://www.komoot.com/fr-fr/collection/4023980/-lille-cap-nord-1er-mai-au-31-juillet-2026?ref=collection
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure!
Thanks in advance.