Flight canceled due to strike with Ryanair: wait or rebook?
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Hi everyone,

I have a Ryanair flight scheduled for 10/14 (outbound, returning on the 16th) from Charleroi in Belgium. A strike is confirmed, and the airport will be closed on the 14th. But Ryanair is still saying the flight is confirmed. I get that they’re trying to make us change and pay extra fees rather than wait for the free compensation.

If I make a new booking, can I still claim a refund for the first one?

Thanks in advance for your help—this is the first time I’ve faced this situation.
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PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
Hi, Don’t do anything for now—let the airline contact you either to cancel or modify your flight. You can’t refuse a change of less than 2 hours, so keep an eye on your booking on their site day by day.
Cordialement, Patrick.
GO Golgaff Regular ·
Thanks Patrick for your reply.

I’m afraid I’ll be notified too late. That’s why I’m thinking of making a new booking with a flight on the 13th. It’ll secure my trip. But I want to be sure Ryanair will refund my flight on the 14th once it’s officially announced as canceled.
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PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
Yes, if the flight is canceled, you’ll be fully refunded for that flight. However, if it still goes ahead, you’re out of luck—except for some taxes you might be able to claim back. Did you buy a round-trip ticket with a single PNR code or two separate tickets?
Cordialement, Patrick.
GO Golgaff Regular ·
A round-trip flight, one single booking.

My outbound flight is on the 14th, the return on the 16th. If the flight is canceled, can I get a refund for the 14th without affecting the 16th? Or is it better to make a new full booking (outbound on the 13th, return on the 16th) and get a refund for the whole trip?

I’m really wary of Ryanair...
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PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
You should check your ticket’s terms and conditions because many airlines automatically cancel the return flight if there’s a "no-show" on the outbound flight. That means if the outbound flight is still operating and you don’t show up, the return flight will be canceled and not refunded.
Cordialement, Patrick.
GO Golgaff Regular ·
Thanks so much. I’ll take a closer look at this.
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EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

If I make a new booking, can I still claim a refund for the first one?

No! As long as the airline hasn’t informed you of the flight cancellation, you can’t do ANYTHING. No matter what info you’ve picked up elsewhere.

Once the airline has notified you of the cancellation, it’s up to you to make sure they respect your rights—namely, giving you the choice between THREE options, including, most importantly, the obligation to offer you re-routing "as soon as possible," whether on one of their flights or on a flight with another airline, even if it’s not part of the same alliance. ON THE ABSOLUTE CONDITION that you haven’t requested a refund for the canceled ticket (an irreversible choice!), you can then demand a refund for the new ticket bought with a competitor AND demand payment of the compensation of 250, 400, or 600 euros (depending on the distance) per paying passenger, regardless of any "extraordinary circumstances," even if proven.

Check this out: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2023/09/29/indemnisation-meme-si-circonstance-extraordinaire-droit-reacheminement-dans-les-meilleurs-delais/

And an example of compensation despite uncontestable extraordinary circumstances (airport closure due to weather): https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/

"Many airlines automatically cancel the return flight if there’s a 'no show' on the outbound flight. That means if the outbound flight is still operating and you don’t show up, the return flight will be canceled and not refunded."

The right way to handle this is to get, in advance, confirmation from the airline that the return flight is canceled due to your absence on the outbound flight. In fact, this situation should be treated as an advance refusal to board, which entitles you to compensation of 250, 400, or 600 euros per paying passenger, depending on the distance. Check this out: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2023/12/21/vol-aller-non-pris-annulation-du-retour-par-la-cie-refus-dembarquement-a-lavance-droit-a-indemnisation/

Best regards
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PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

In this case, the airline doesn’t have to pay compensation because it’s the Brussels and Charleroi airports that will be closed due to a strike by airport staff. No take-offs or landings will be allowed on October 14th. Risk of flight cancellations between Belgium and Morocco
Cordialement, Patrick.
GO Golgaff Regular ·
ElviajeroPar, as Patrick91230 mentioned, both Brussels airports announced that no flights would take place on October 14th. I don’t see how Ryanair could operate its planes... But the airline hasn’t announced any cancellations yet. I guess it’s a "strategy" to pressure travelers into rebooking now and paying fees.

My strategy is to keep my October 14th flight, book another one for the 13th, and when Ryanair finally cancels the 14th, request a refund. That way, I secure my trip by planning ahead.
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EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

In this case, the airline is not required to pay compensation since it's the airports in Brussels and Charleroi that will be closed due to a strike by airport staff. No takeoffs or landings will be allowed on October 14.

Hello,

Error: An airline is only exempt from compensation under TWO CUMULATIVE conditions: 1° Proving the issue is due to "extraordinary circumstances"; 2° Proving they took "all reasonable measures."

In the event of a canceled flight, the airline is REQUIRED to offer you, simultaneously with the cancellation, a re-routing flight at no additional cost, "under comparable transport conditions and as soon as possible."

In this case, if the airline offers re-routing on D+2 or D+3 (or worse), while there was a possible re-routing with an available seat (mandatory proof), even with ANOTHER airline, on D+1, compensation is due.

Indeed, re-routing must be done "as soon as possible." If they offer re-routing the same day, accept it. However, if they offer a re-routing flight several days later, while a same-day re-routing was possible, you can proceed with purchasing the ticket. You can then claim reimbursement based on the elements described below. Be careful: the court will assess the "as soon as possible" aspect. If the time difference between the re-routing offered by the airline and the one you purchased is too small, the court may deny reimbursement.

The argument to make is as follows:

Article 5, paragraph 1, of Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council (hereinafter "the Regulation") states:

"In the event of cancellation of a flight, the passengers concerned shall be offered assistance by the operating air carrier in accordance with Article 8."

Article 8, paragraph 1, of the same regulation states:

"When reference is made to this Article, passengers shall be offered the choice between: – reimbursement of the ticket within 7 days in accordance with the methods referred to in Article 7(3) [...] – re-routing to their final destination under comparable transport conditions and as soon as possible, or – re-routing to their final destination under comparable transport conditions at a later date at their convenience [...]".

The "Commission Communication" C/2024/5687, published in the Official Journal of the European Union on 25/09/2024 (hereinafter "Commission Communication"), whose purpose is to (I quote) "clarify a number of provisions contained in the Regulation, particularly in light of the Court's case law, so that current rules can be applied more effectively and consistently", specifies in its Article 4.2:

– 1st paragraph: "Article 8(1) of Regulation (EC) No 261/2004 imposes on air carriers the obligation to offer passengers a triple choice among the following [...]:" and lists the same three options as Article 8(1) of the Regulation. The same Article 4.2 expressly provides for re-routing by another air carrier, or even by another mode of transport:

"re-routing must be offered at no additional cost to the passenger, even if passengers are re-routed by another air carrier or by a different mode of transport, or in a higher class, or at a higher fare than that paid for the initial service [...]", which is merely an application of Article 8 of the Regulation. and: "The air carrier must offer simultaneously the choice between reimbursement or re-routing." Again, this is merely an application of Article 8 of the Regulation.

Note: A choice made by the passenger is final. The passenger who claims reimbursement for the canceled flight can no longer change their mind and request re-routing or reimbursement for a re-routing. They also cannot claim reimbursement for expenses incurred while waiting for a re-routing flight.

Airlines are so reluctant to provide these TWO proofs that, apart from very rare exceptions, this will almost always be the case. Be careful not to misinterpret this ruling! It applies: – to flight cancellations by the airline; – and missed connections during layovers; having resulted in re-routing that caused the passenger to arrive at their final destination the day after the scheduled date when a same-day re-routing with another airline was possible.

Below are extensive excerpts from this ruling:

57 As recalled in point 36 of this judgment, in the event of an extraordinary circumstance, the operating air carrier is released from its obligation to compensate under Article 5(1)(c) and Article 7(1) of Regulation No 261/2004 only if it can prove that it adopted measures appropriate to the situation by implementing all the personnel or material means and financial resources at its disposal to avoid that circumstance leading to the cancellation or significant delay of the flight in question, without it being required to make unbearable sacrifices given the capacities of its enterprise at the relevant time.

58 It follows, in accordance with the objective of ensuring a high level of passenger protection referred to in recital 1 of Regulation No 261/2004 and the requirement for reasonable, satisfactory, and prompt re-routing of passengers affected by a cancellation or significant flight delay, as referred to in recitals 12 and 13 and Article 8(1) of that regulation, that in the event of an extraordinary circumstance, the air carrier intending to be exempted from its obligation to compensate passengers under Article 5(1)(c) and Article 7 of that regulation by adopting the reasonable measures referred to in the previous point cannot, in principle, limit itself to offering the affected passengers re-routing to their final destination by the next flight operated by itself and arriving at the destination the day after the initially scheduled arrival date.

59 Indeed, the diligence required of this air carrier to allow it to be exempted from its obligation to compensate assumes that it implements all means at its disposal to ensure reasonable, satisfactory, and prompt re-routing, including the search for other direct or indirect flights operated possibly by other air carriers, whether or not belonging to the same airline alliance, arriving at an earlier time than the next flight of the air carrier concerned.

60 It is therefore only if there is no available seat on another direct or indirect flight allowing the passenger concerned to reach their final destination at an earlier time than the next flight of the air carrier concerned or if such re-routing constitutes an unbearable sacrifice for that air carrier given the capacities of its enterprise at the relevant time that the said air carrier must be considered to have implemented all the means at its disposal by re-routing the passenger in question on the next flight operated by itself.

61 Therefore, it is necessary to answer the third question that Article 5(3) of Regulation No 261/2004, read in light of recital 14 thereof, must be interpreted as meaning that the fact that an air carrier re-routes a passenger, on the grounds that the aircraft transporting them was affected by an extraordinary circumstance, by means of a flight operated by itself and causing the passenger to arrive the day after the initially scheduled date does not constitute a "reasonable measure" releasing that carrier from its obligation to compensate provided for in Article 5(1)(c) and Article 7(1) of that regulation, unless there was no other possibility of direct or indirect re-routing by a flight operated by itself or any other air carrier arriving at an earlier time than the next flight of the air carrier concerned or that the implementation of such re-routing would have constituted an unbearable sacrifice for the latter given the capacities of its enterprise at the relevant time, which it is for the referring court to assess.

Point 3 of the "operative part" of the judgment is as follows: 3) Article 5(3) of Regulation No 261/2004, read in light of recital 14 thereof, must be interpreted as meaning that the fact that an air carrier re-routes a passenger, on the grounds that the aircraft transporting them was affected by an extraordinary circumstance, by means of a flight operated by itself and causing the passenger to arrive the day after the initially scheduled date does not constitute a "reasonable measure" releasing that carrier from its obligation to compensate provided for in Article 5(1)(c) and Article 7(1) of that regulation, unless there was no other possibility of direct or indirect re-routing by a flight operated by itself or any other air carrier arriving at an earlier time than the next flight of the air carrier concerned or that the implementation of such re-routing would have constituted an unbearable sacrifice for the latter given the capacities of its enterprise at the relevant time, which it is for the referring court to assess."

It is therefore clear that re-routing the next day (and even more so, later) does not constitute a "reasonable measure" as long as another re-routing, even operated by another airline, even not part of the same alliance, was available.

You can therefore claim reimbursement for the ticket purchased after your flight was canceled (not for a delayed flight), and compensation (for a canceled or delayed flight). However, you will only succeed subject to the court's assessment of the concepts of:

– "as soon as possible" – "reasonable measures" and – "unbearable sacrifice."

But be aware, you will only succeed if you can PROVE that there was at least one available seat (or more if you are traveling with others) on the re-routing flight you found yourself.

You can only prove this in two ways: – You purchased a ticket for this re-routing flight or – You took screenshots of a booking process, even if you stopped just before payment.

Regarding the right to flat-rate compensation, it should be recalled that the airline is exempt from compensating the passenger if it can prove that the cancellation (less than 14 days before) or the delay is due to (I quote) "extraordinary circumstances that could not have been avoided even if all reasonable measures had been taken" (Article 5(3) of Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council).

There are therefore TWO cumulative conditions: – Proving the extraordinary circumstances – Proving that all reasonable measures were taken

As stated in the judgment of the Court of Justice of the European Union of June 11, 2020, in case C-74/19, point 3 of its "operative part" already mentioned above, you can claim flat-rate compensation, even in the event of proven extraordinary circumstances, if you can prove (see above) that you were only offered re-routing the next day (or even later) when a same-day re-routing was possible, even with another airline, even from a different alliance.

Moreover, in the same judgment, points 1 and 2 of the "operative part" (already cited above) recognize the "extraordinary circumstances" alleged by the airline,

But, since a same-day re-routing via another airline's flight was available instead of the re-routing offered the next day, the CJEU affirms the passenger's right to compensation in point 3 (already cited above) of the operative part of the same judgment, subject to the court's assessment (I quote) "that the implementation of such re-routing would not have constituted an unbearable sacrifice for the latter given the capacities of its enterprise at the relevant time, which it is for the referring court to assess."

Consequently, even if the airline provides proof of "extraordinary circumstances," it may be ordered to compensate the passenger if it only re-routed them the next day when a same-day re-routing was possible.

But expect fierce resistance, possibly leading to court.

However, the "European Small Claims Procedure" (if the airline's headquarters is in a different EU member state than your residence) is particularly simple and free. If not, you will have to use the French procedure (it's the same court anyway).

Example of procedure: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/

And check here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2021/03/28/modele-lettre-et-procedure-pour-annulation-vol-par-compagnie-aerienne/

or here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/modele-de-lettre-et-procedure-pour-retard-important-3-heures-ou-plus/

Documentation:

Judgment of the Court of Justice of the European Union of June 11, 2020, in case C-74/19: https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=227302&pageIndex=0&doclang=FR&mode=lst&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=1701612

Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX%3A32004R0261%3AFR%3AHTML

Commission Communication C/2024/5687 published in the Official Journal of the European Union on September 25, 2024: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/FR/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:C_202405687

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PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
In this case, the airport closure is an issue the airline isn't responsible for, and they’ve offered a flight on the 13th or 15th since you haven’t received any updates from them yet. Air travel: canceled flight | Service Public
Cordialement, Patrick.
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
ElviajeroPar, as Patrick91230 mentioned, both Brussels airports announced that no flights would take place on October 14th. I don’t see how Ryanair could operate its planes...

Hello,

This doesn’t absolve Ryanair from offering re-routing "as soon as possible." "As soon as possible" doesn’t necessarily mean the same day.

But it does mean that if they offer you a re-routing 2 or 3 days later—or even worse—while you can PROVE that an earlier re-routing (with at least one available seat, even on another airline) was possible, you can DEMAND compensation (under the ESSENTIAL condition that you haven’t requested or agreed to a refund) AND a refund for the ticket you rebooked with ANOTHER airline (or the same one), under the same essential condition. Check here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2023/09/29/indemnisation-meme-si-circonstance-extraordinaire-droit-reacheminement-dans-les-meilleurs-delais/

And an example of compensation (600 €) + 500 € in damages + Article 700, for a flight canceled due to weather (airport closed for a few hours), where the airline didn’t re-route the passenger "as soon as possible," in addition to reimbursing expenses incurred while waiting for the re-routing flight.

But for now, as long as you haven’t received official notice from the airline canceling your flight, you DO NOTHING.

Best regards,
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EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
In this case, the closure of an airport is a problem for which the airline is not responsible

Hello,

The concept of airline liability is UNKNOWN under Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council.

The only relevant concepts are: "extraordinary circumstances which could not have been avoided even if all reasonable measures had been taken"

The jurisprudence of the Court of Justice of the European Union has added (notably, but not only, the Sturgeon ruling):

1° that these are events which, by their nature or origin, are not inherent to the normal exercise of the activity of the air carrier concerned

2° that these are events which escape the effective control of the air carrier.

Excerpt from this ruling: "Article 5(3) of Regulation No 261/2004 must be interpreted as meaning that a technical problem which occurs in an aircraft and leads to the cancellation or delay of a flight does not fall within the concept of 'extraordinary circumstances' within the meaning of that provision, unless that problem stems from events which, by their nature or origin, are not inherent to the normal exercise of the activity of the air carrier concerned and are beyond its actual control."

http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=73703&doclang=FR

The Commission further clarifies the definition of "extraordinary circumstances" in Article 5.1 of the "Commission Communication" C-2024/5687 published in the Official Journal of the European Union on 25 September 2024:

"In accordance with Article 5(3) of Regulation (EC) No 261/2004, an air carrier is not obliged to pay compensation in the event of cancellation or long delay on arrival if it can prove that the cancellation or delay is due to extraordinary circumstances which could not have been avoided even if all reasonable measures had been taken. To be exempted from paying compensation, the air carrier must simultaneously prove:

a) the existence of extraordinary circumstances and the link between those circumstances and the delay or cancellation; and b) that the delay or cancellation could not have been avoided even though the air carrier took all reasonable measures (see section 5.3).

A given extraordinary circumstance may cause more than one cancellation or delay to the final destination, as in the case of an air traffic management decision, as referred to in recital 15 of Regulation (EC) No 261/2004.

As a derogation from the main rule, namely the payment of compensation, which meets the objective of consumer protection, the exemption provided for in Article 5(3) must be interpreted strictly.

Consequently, all extraordinary circumstances surrounding events such as those mentioned in recital 14 of Regulation (EC) No 261/2004, namely political instability, weather conditions incompatible with the operation of the flight concerned, security risks, unexpected failures that may affect flight safety, and strikes affecting the operations of an operating air carrier, are not necessarily grounds for exemption from the obligation to pay compensation, but require a case-by-case assessment.

The Court has set out two cumulative conditions for qualifying events as extraordinary circumstances, which have been consistently applied in its case law: a) by its nature or origin, the event cannot be inherent to the normal exercise of the activity of the air carrier concerned; and b) by its nature or origin, the event must escape the effective control of that air carrier. Air carriers may provide extracts from logbooks or incident reports or external statements and documents as evidence. If an air carrier refers to such evidence in its response to a passenger's request or to the national enforcement body, it should include said evidence in its response.

If the air carrier seeks to invoke extraordinary circumstances as an argument, it must provide this evidence free of charge to the national enforcement body and to passengers, in accordance with national provisions on access to documents."

Full document here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/FR/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:C_202405687

More information here:

https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/force-majeure-circonstances-exceptionnelles-circonstances-extraordinaires-quest-ce-que-cest-definition-refus-dindemnisation/

In the case at hand, these are indeed extraordinary circumstances. However, they will only be exempting IF the airline offers re-routing "as soon as possible." Best regards
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PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
That's what I'm saying! 🙂
Cordialement, Patrick.
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

In this case, if the airline offers re-routing on D+2 or D+3 (or worse), when there was a possible re-routing with an available seat (mandatory proof), even with ANOTHER airline, on D+1, compensation is due.

Exactly, I had the same issue—air traffic controllers were on strike, and the Ryanair plane couldn’t land. They re-routed me 3 days later, even though there was a flight the next day (Agadir/Marseille). I accepted their offer but made sure to take screenshots of all the proposed flights.

After tons of back-and-forth (letters, emails, phone calls) and a lot of persistence, I managed to get a refund for the return flight + the extra costs from the 3 additional days in the country—6 months later! Their initial responses claimed no refund was possible since they’d offered re-routing. You’ve gotta push back! 😤
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EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Hello

In the present case, if the airline offers re-routing on D+2 or D+3 (or worse), when there was a possible re-routing with an available seat (mandatory proof), even with ANOTHER airline, on D+1, compensation is due.

Exactly, I had the same problem—a strike by air traffic controllers, and Ryanair’s plane couldn’t land. They re-routed me 3 days later even though there was a flight the next day (Agadir/Marseille). I accepted their proposal but made sure to take screenshots of all the available flights.

After numerous steps (letters, emails, phone calls) and quite a bit of persistence, I managed, 6 months later, to get reimbursed for the return flight + expenses incurred during the extra 3 days in the country. Their initial responses claimed no reimbursement was possible since they had offered re-routing. You have to insist!

Hello,

If this issue occurred less than 5 years ago, and if you’ve kept all the evidence, don’t forget to DEMAND the compensation you’re entitled to (400 euros per paying passenger).

It’s IMPERATIVE that you can PROVE there was an available seat on a flight that would have allowed you to arrive at least one day earlier.

Since Ryanair’s headquarters is in Ireland but you reside in France, you can use the "European Small Claims Procedure" (written process) through the local court in Martigues (Marseille airport).

Here’s an argument based on a real case described here:

https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/

But adapt it to your situation (for info: Swiss airline was ordered to pay 600 € in compensation + 500 € in damages + Article 700):

"Under Articles 5 and 7 of the regulation, an airline is exempt from compensating passengers if it proves the cancellation was due to 'extraordinary circumstances that could not have been avoided even if all reasonable measures had been taken.' However, point 20 of the Wallentin Hermann judgment C-549/07 (Exhibit No. 6) imposes strict application of Article 5(3) of the regulation. Furthermore, the Court’s rulings (Sturgeon case C-402/07, Exhibit No. 18, and Wallentin Hermann C-549/07, Exhibit No. 6) specify that these must be events which, by their nature or origin, are not inherent to the normal activity of the air carrier concerned and are beyond its effective control.

Additionally, this aspect must also be considered in light of the judgment rendered by the Court on May 4, 2017, in the Pešková case C-315/15 (Exhibit No. 24), which states in point 4 of its ruling that if an extraordinary circumstance and another non-extraordinary circumstance coincide, the delay time attributable to the extraordinary circumstance must be subtracted to assess the right to compensation. In this case, due to adverse weather, a few hours to several days of delay must be subtracted to assess the right to compensation, which applies from a 3-hour delay upon arrival at the final destination, as established in the Sturgeon, Ceské, and KLM rulings (Exhibits No. 18, 5, and 16). Moreover, the Court of Cassation ruled on February 17, 2021, in its judgment 159 F-D (Exhibit No. 31) regarding a comparable case where the delay was due to an established extraordinary circumstance, followed by the necessary rest period for the flight crew, as explained by the operating airline. The Court of Cassation noted that: 1. The defendant airline did not justify having sought or taken all reasonable measures to transport passengers to their destination within a shorter time; 2. The District Court of Aulnay-sous-Bois thus legally justified its decision to order the airline to compensate the passenger. In case of a canceled flight, three options must be offered to the passenger.

It is necessary to examine the airline’s failure to comply with its obligations under Article 8 of the regulation, to which Article 5 refers. This article states in paragraph 1 that passengers affected by a flight cancellation must be offered the choice between a refund, re-routing as soon as possible, or, if the passengers so wish, re-routing at a later date.

Furthermore, the 'Commission Communication' 2016/C 214/04, published in the Official Journal of the European Union on June 15, 2016 (Exhibit No. 9), in its Article 4.2, reiterated in the same terms by the 'Commission Communication' C/2024/5687 of September 25, 2024, not only confirms these obligations but adds:

1. The airline must offer the choice between these three options simultaneously at the time of cancellation;

2. Re-routing as soon as possible must be sought by the airline with any carrier, even outside the same alliance, and even by another mode of transport, at no additional cost to the passenger, even if transported in a higher class or at a higher fare than the initial service.

However, the airline neither offered re-routing simultaneously at the time of cancellation nor gave the choice between the three options it was required to propose. Right to re-routing 'as soon as possible.'

Beyond the above regarding the obligation to offer re-routing as soon as possible, it is also worth considering the judgment rendered by the Court on June 11, 2020, in the TAP case C-74/19 (Exhibit No. 19), particularly point 3 of its ruling. This states that if an airline re-routes a passenger because the flight was affected by an extraordinary circumstance, using a flight operated by itself that results in the passenger arriving the day after the originally scheduled date, this does not constitute a 'reasonable measure' releasing the airline from its compensation obligation under Article 5(1)(c) and Article 7(1) of the regulation, unless there was no other possibility of direct or indirect re-routing by a flight operated by itself or any other airline arriving at an earlier time than the next flight of the airline concerned.

However, several possible re-routings existed, with at least one available seat, several days before the re-routing proposed by the airline:

1. Zurich – Puerto Plata, departure on December 1 at 10:20 AM, arrival at 1:08 PM on December 2, as shown by screenshots taken on November 30, 2023, at 6:23 PM (Exhibit No. 10).

2. Zurich – Santiago (same region – Exhibit No. 8), departure on December 1 at 11:45 AM, arrival in Santiago at 2:44 AM on December 2, as shown by screenshots taken on November 30, 2023, at 11:52 PM (Exhibit No. 11).

3. Same flight from Zurich 24 hours later, as shown by screenshots taken on December 1, 2023, at 12:17 PM (Exhibit No. 12).

4. It should be noted that the journey from Santo Domingo to Puerto Plata takes less than 4 hours by regular coach; – Zurich – Santo Domingo, departure on December 1 at 5:15 PM, arrival at 2:49 AM on December 2, as shown by screenshots taken on December 1, 2023, at 12:09 PM (Exhibit No. 13).

5. Furthermore, at the reception of Mr. Passenger’s hotel (Ibis Budget Zurich Airport), there is a TV screen displaying real-time departures from Zurich Airport. Mr. Passenger noticed, in the late morning of December 2—just in time—that Edelweiss (the airline whose Zurich-Puerto Plata flight on November 30 was canceled) was operating flight LX8034, a direct flight from Zurich to Punta Cana at 2:15 PM (originally scheduled 1 hour earlier) (Exhibit No. 14 – photo taken at the airport).

Mr. Passenger rushed to the airport, 2 km from his hotel, to request that this flight be his re-routing, since no re-routing proposal had been made to him until then.

The Swiss employee agreed to issue a ticket immediately, but it couldn’t be a re-routing ticket! Mr. Passenger had to pay the full price, and only business-class tickets were left. As already explained: – Re-routing must be offered free of charge, even if it costs more, and even in a higher class; – It can be done by another mode of transport and may include a 6-hour road trip (Exhibits No. 17 and Article 4.2 of Exhibit No. 9); – Finally, it was precisely on the same Edelweiss flight, operated 48 hours later, that Swiss re-routed Mr. Passenger. Therefore: 1. The airline’s refusal of this re-routing constitutes a breach of regulations; 2. Requiring Mr. Passenger to pay for a new ticket, at a high price, for this flight to Punta Cana is an additional breach.

Naturally, Mr. Passenger refused to buy a new ticket, emphasizing his right to free re-routing. Consequently, this re-routing was denied. Moreover, the airline should have taken the initiative to propose this re-routing to Mr. Passenger long before he showed up at the Swiss counter at the airport.

Since the airline failed to meet its obligation to offer re-routing as soon as possible—and even refused it—when alternative flights existed (with proof of at least one available seat) that would have allowed Mr. Passenger to arrive at his final destination several days earlier, the compensation under Article 7 of the regulation remains due." __ Add that you were reimbursed for the ticket you had to rebuy and for expenses incurred while waiting for the re-routing flight. A strong piece of advice: don’t waste your energy on useless exchanges with Ryanair: - One (just one!) registered letter; - Fill out Form A of the "European Small Claims Procedure," attach your argument (conclusions), and then all you have to do is wait patiently (very patiently!). European procedure template: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/10/23/lufthansa-championne-du-refus-des-droits-des-passagers/ While you can largely draw inspiration from the "conclusions" of the Swiss case (previous link). It’s free and so simple that it’d be a shame not to take advantage of it. Best regards
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GO Golgaff Regular ·
Hi everyone, and especially ElviajeroPar.

These are very thorough answers, but almost too much.

My situation was simple: I just wanted to know if Ryanair will actually refund my flight when they announce its cancellation (which is certain, all the press is talking about the closure of Belgian airports on 10/14), even though I booked another ticket for 10/13 (since it’s the same passengers, I don’t want them to "accuse" me of bypassing the system). Normally, yes, and I hope so, because so far there’s still no sign from them about flights on 10/14...
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PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
Hi, In any case, there’s nothing left to do but wait for the airline to get back to you. Let us know how it turns out—it could help others!
Cordialement, Patrick.
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Hello everyone, and especially to ElviajeroPar.

These are very comprehensive answers but almost too much.

My situation was simple: I just wanted to know if Ryanair will refund my flight when they announce its cancellation (which is certain, as all the press is talking about the closure of Belgian airports on 14/10), even though I booked another ticket on 13/10 (since it’s the same passengers, I don’t want them to "accuse" me of bypassing the system). Normally yes, and I hope so, because for now, there’s still no sign from them regarding flights on 14/10...

Hello,

The answer can be found in Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council:

"Article 5 Cancellations 1. In the event of a flight cancellation, the passengers concerned: a) shall be offered assistance by the operating air carrier in accordance with Article 8; [...] Article 8 Right to reimbursement or re-routing 1. Where reference is made to this Article, passengers shall be offered a choice between: a) - reimbursement of the ticket within seven days, under the conditions set out in Article 7(3), at the price at which it was purchased, for the part or parts of the journey not made and for the part or parts already made if the flight is no longer serving any purpose in relation to the passenger’s original travel plan, as well as, where relevant, - a return flight to the initial departure point as soon as possible; b) re-routing to the final destination under comparable transport conditions at the earliest opportunity, or c) re-routing to the final destination under comparable transport conditions at a later date at the passenger’s convenience, subject to seat availability. Article 7 [...] 3 [...] referred to in paragraph 1 shall be paid in cash, by electronic bank transfer, bank transfer or cheque, or, with the passenger’s signed agreement, in the form of travel vouchers and/or other services." All of the above applies, regardless of the circumstances (extraordinary or not). Regarding the 7-day deadline, it must be said that it’s not always respected, and there have even been cases where legal action was necessary to obtain the refund. Two examples (Lufthansa and TUIfly): https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/10/23/lufthansa-championne-du-refus-des-droits-des-passagers/ https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2023/05/03/vol-annule-droit-indiscutable-au-remboursement-si-pas-reachemine-voucher-uniquement-si-accord-du-passager/ But let’s suppose this announced strike is canceled.... So, wait!!! Best regards
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GO Golgaff Regular ·
Hello, In any case, there’s nothing left to do but wait for the airline to get back to you. Let us know how it turns out—it could help others.

Hello, I didn’t get a chance to come back here. So in the end, I booked my outbound flight for a different date (and a different destination). Ryanair announced the cancellation of the outbound flight 3–4 days before. I could’ve canceled and gotten a refund for the full trip (round-trip), but most importantly—and what interested me—I could get a refund just for the outbound flight, which is what I did.
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