Namibie: trajet Palmwag-Epupa sur 1 jour?
by Vinnylove
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Salut à tous,
petite question pratique
Pensez vous que le trajet Palmwag- Epupa falls soit faisable sur une seule journée ? (en saison sêche)
Qui l'a déjà fait ?
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Bonjour ,
Je ne parle pas encore d' expérience . Mais sur mon programme ( Tourmaline ) pour avril , ce trajet se décompose ainsi : - jour 1 : Palmwag Lodge - Ongongo Community Camp 100km 2h - jour 2 : O.C.C. - Epupa Comm. Camp 320km 6h Si on additionne les 2 , ça peut effectivement représenter une bien grosse journée de conduite , sans trop prévoir de visites en route ...
Je ne parle pas encore d' expérience . Mais sur mon programme ( Tourmaline ) pour avril , ce trajet se décompose ainsi : - jour 1 : Palmwag Lodge - Ongongo Community Camp 100km 2h - jour 2 : O.C.C. - Epupa Comm. Camp 320km 6h Si on additionne les 2 , ça peut effectivement représenter une bien grosse journée de conduite , sans trop prévoir de visites en route ...
Salut Vincent...
C'est vrai que tu étais passé par Purros donc temps de trajet différent... !
Je confirme ce que dit Pierre, mais j ai roulé moins vite que lui (incroyable non ?)
Palmwag --> bifurcation Seisfontein Y-Droite : 1h30 : --> OK
Bifurcation Seisfontein --> Opuwo : 2h00 : --> La route est sinueuse et pentue. j'ai mis à peu près 2h30 Traine pas trop au supermarché !
Opuwo --> Epupa : 2h30 --> J ai pris le temps de crever un pneu car la fin de la piste est caillouteuse... 3h00 environ.
C'est pour quand ce voyage ?
A+ Franck
C'est vrai que tu étais passé par Purros donc temps de trajet différent... !
Je confirme ce que dit Pierre, mais j ai roulé moins vite que lui (incroyable non ?)
Palmwag --> bifurcation Seisfontein Y-Droite : 1h30 : --> OK
Bifurcation Seisfontein --> Opuwo : 2h00 : --> La route est sinueuse et pentue. j'ai mis à peu près 2h30 Traine pas trop au supermarché !
Opuwo --> Epupa : 2h30 --> J ai pris le temps de crever un pneu car la fin de la piste est caillouteuse... 3h00 environ.
C'est pour quand ce voyage ?
A+ Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Merci les amis 😉
C'est bien ce que je pensais mais je voulais en être sûr 🙂
Et oui Francky, j'y retourne... fin juillet début août Programme plus complet que la dernière fois, sud Namibie et Epupa en plus que je n'avais pas eu le temps d'aller voir Je pense faire un mixte camping et lodges mais rien n'est encore décidé, j'en suis aux simulations... et je me suis déjà mis aux pâtes et aux patates 🤪 😮
Et oui Francky, j'y retourne... fin juillet début août Programme plus complet que la dernière fois, sud Namibie et Epupa en plus que je n'avais pas eu le temps d'aller voir Je pense faire un mixte camping et lodges mais rien n'est encore décidé, j'en suis aux simulations... et je me suis déjà mis aux pâtes et aux patates 🤪 😮
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
salut Pierre,
toujours ton projet hartman et marienfluss ?
Tiens j'ai une autre question dans le même style Je ne suis pas encore allé dans le sud de la Namibie et je vais y remédier Comme le temps est quand même compté j'hésite à passer par la région de Ludéritz
1 des retours sur cette ville ?
2 est ce possible de faire dans la journée le trajet Fish river Canyon - Sesriem (sans Luderitz bien sur) ?
merci de vos avis
Tiens j'ai une autre question dans le même style Je ne suis pas encore allé dans le sud de la Namibie et je vais y remédier Comme le temps est quand même compté j'hésite à passer par la région de Ludéritz
1 des retours sur cette ville ?
2 est ce possible de faire dans la journée le trajet Fish river Canyon - Sesriem (sans Luderitz bien sur) ?
merci de vos avis
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
salut Pierre,
toujours ton projet hartman et marienfluss ?
Pas tout à fait… Les choses ont évolué. voilà où on en est :
V 16/07 : Victoria Falls (Gerties Lodge) D 18/07 : Victoria Falls (Gerties Lodge) L 19/07 : Kasane, Chobe Safari Lodge (camping) M 20/07 : Kasane, Chobe Safari Lodge (camping) M 21/07 : Savuti camp J 22/07 : Kwai camp V 23/07 : Kwai camp S 24/07 : Maun (Maun lodge - Chalet) D 25/07 : Avion à Maun puis Ganzi (Thakadu Rest Camp) (camping) L 26/07 : Gobabis (Zelda Guest Farm) (camping) M 27/07 : Waterberg Plateau Park (camping) M 28/07 : Outjo (Otjitotongwe) (camping) J 29/07 : Grootberg (Lodge) V 30/07 : Elephant track à Grootberg puis Palmwag (Camping) S 31/07 : Purros (camping) D 01/08 : Purros (camping) ou Marble community camp vers Marienfluss (camping) L 02/08 : Marienfluss (Camp Syncro) M 03/08 : Marienfluss (Camp Syncro) M 04/08 : Etanga (bivouac ? Community camp ?) J 05/08 : Etanga - Hobatere (lodge) V 06/08 : Windhoek (Londiningi guesthouse) Avec une famille d'amis jusqu'à Gobabis, puis avec une autre rencontrée sur VF à partir de Palmwag.
Désolé, je ne connais pas le Sud plus que toi…
Pas tout à fait… Les choses ont évolué. voilà où on en est :
V 16/07 : Victoria Falls (Gerties Lodge) D 18/07 : Victoria Falls (Gerties Lodge) L 19/07 : Kasane, Chobe Safari Lodge (camping) M 20/07 : Kasane, Chobe Safari Lodge (camping) M 21/07 : Savuti camp J 22/07 : Kwai camp V 23/07 : Kwai camp S 24/07 : Maun (Maun lodge - Chalet) D 25/07 : Avion à Maun puis Ganzi (Thakadu Rest Camp) (camping) L 26/07 : Gobabis (Zelda Guest Farm) (camping) M 27/07 : Waterberg Plateau Park (camping) M 28/07 : Outjo (Otjitotongwe) (camping) J 29/07 : Grootberg (Lodge) V 30/07 : Elephant track à Grootberg puis Palmwag (Camping) S 31/07 : Purros (camping) D 01/08 : Purros (camping) ou Marble community camp vers Marienfluss (camping) L 02/08 : Marienfluss (Camp Syncro) M 03/08 : Marienfluss (Camp Syncro) M 04/08 : Etanga (bivouac ? Community camp ?) J 05/08 : Etanga - Hobatere (lodge) V 06/08 : Windhoek (Londiningi guesthouse) Avec une famille d'amis jusqu'à Gobabis, puis avec une autre rencontrée sur VF à partir de Palmwag.
Désolé, je ne connais pas le Sud plus que toi…
salut au forum
je n'ai pas remis les pieds en namibie depuis 96
en 93 j'avais fait la piste qui remonte rive gaiche de la kunene depuis épupa falls jusqu'à ruacana: elle était tout cassée sur la première moitiés, genre 5h pour 50km! elle existe toujours cette piste?
en 96 on avait fait à 2 4x4 la vanzil pass le marienfluss hartman valley oanib river seisfontein en 4 jours: elle existe toujours la piste de van zil pass? c'était bien cassé à l'époque.
en fait, j'ai envie d'y retourner mais en vtt!
Baisse
salut
a priori ces 2 pistes existent toujours et sont toujours dans le même état 😉
en VTT ? 😮
pourquoi pas après tout... attention quand même y'a des grosses bébettes dans ces coins là (éléphants, lions, guépards)
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
c'est effectivement l'objection principale à ce projet, d'autant qu'il y a aussi les crocos et les hippos la nuit au bord de la rivière! mais je vois plutôt ça en petit groupe avec un 4x4 d'assistance pas trop loin des cyclistes. bon c'est vrai qu'un guepard ça court vite: on m'a raconté qu'un ranger s'est fait bouffer sur le pont de krugger park devant ses clients alors qu'il était sorti de son 4x4!
Baisse
1/ Luderitz.
Si t as rien à faire ou si tu as besoin de faire des courses (banques), tu peux y aller (maisons coloniales en centre ville et bidon ville en péripherie nord... !). Si non tu peux gagner deux fois 125 km depuis Aus de paysages sans intéret. Sauf apercevoir peut être les chevaux sauvages si tu aimes, et ghost town : 3 maisons et demie abandonnées...!
2/ Fish river Canyon - Sesriem Purée t es gourmand là non ? Cool Vincent, cooooool... 😉 Il faudra passer par Rosh-pinah, donc rejoindre le goudron par le sud... Le pont est il reconstruit...? le forum sudaf community.co.za dis que oui.... Puis la D707 entre Aus et Sesriem que tu ferais en fin de journée donc avec les magnifiques paysages à l'ouest donc soleil pleine figure... Même si tu ne t'arrête pas à Aus, tu as intéret à voir pour passer par Rosh pinah pour éviter tout le tour par Seeheim.
Tu pars combien d'heures... 😏😏😏 euuuh combien de jours ? Franck
2/ Fish river Canyon - Sesriem Purée t es gourmand là non ? Cool Vincent, cooooool... 😉 Il faudra passer par Rosh-pinah, donc rejoindre le goudron par le sud... Le pont est il reconstruit...? le forum sudaf community.co.za dis que oui.... Puis la D707 entre Aus et Sesriem que tu ferais en fin de journée donc avec les magnifiques paysages à l'ouest donc soleil pleine figure... Même si tu ne t'arrête pas à Aus, tu as intéret à voir pour passer par Rosh pinah pour éviter tout le tour par Seeheim.
Tu pars combien d'heures... 😏😏😏 euuuh combien de jours ? Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Ben oui je suis gourmand, c'est même mon plus gros défaut 😛
Bon je vois pas trop l'intérêt de passer par rosh pinah qui est très bas, surtout que je vois pas de pistes pour y aller 😮
pour ludéritz tu as répondu à mes craintes, ça ressemble beaucoup à un jour de perdu et au coût de la journée ça fait ch... c'est pour ça que je demande si c'est possible de faire FRC-Sesriem sur 1 jour, mais bon si faut le faire en 2 jours on le fera en 2 jours.
Donc si je te suis il vaut mieux faire la D707 au matin, c'est ça ?
PS : je suis sur une base de 576 heures sur place... pour l'instant 😛
Bon je vois pas trop l'intérêt de passer par rosh pinah qui est très bas, surtout que je vois pas de pistes pour y aller 😮
pour ludéritz tu as répondu à mes craintes, ça ressemble beaucoup à un jour de perdu et au coût de la journée ça fait ch... c'est pour ça que je demande si c'est possible de faire FRC-Sesriem sur 1 jour, mais bon si faut le faire en 2 jours on le fera en 2 jours.
Donc si je te suis il vaut mieux faire la D707 au matin, c'est ça ?
PS : je suis sur une base de 576 heures sur place... pour l'instant 😛
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Donc si je te suis il vaut mieux faire la D707 au matin, c'est ça ?
Oui c'est ça. Le spectacle est à l'Ouest.
La D707 c'est Elim Dune sur plusieurs centaines de kms... !
Pour être plus précis, Sesriem - Aus de mémoire j'ai mis 6 - 7 heures en prenant vraiment mon temps.
Par Rosh Pina parceque d'après ce qui se dit, la piste est très belle entre Ais-Ais et rosh pinah et ensuite c'est goudron jusqu'à Aus. Il y a des pistes (blanches) sur Google Earth et sur Map Source. 165 kms + 169 kms de goudron au lieu de 410 km de goudron par Seeheim. Mais bon moi ce que j'en dis... 😉 On essaye toujours de transmettre ses propres envies aux copains pour partager... mais bon ! 🤪
Si j'avais le choix, je ne dormirais pas à Aus (bien que camping sympa) mais dans la première moitié de la D707, en dessous de Betta (bungalow sympa + Pompe essence) pour prendre le temps le matin pour arriver à Sesriem.
Bonne prépa... Franck
Pour être plus précis, Sesriem - Aus de mémoire j'ai mis 6 - 7 heures en prenant vraiment mon temps.
Par Rosh Pina parceque d'après ce qui se dit, la piste est très belle entre Ais-Ais et rosh pinah et ensuite c'est goudron jusqu'à Aus. Il y a des pistes (blanches) sur Google Earth et sur Map Source. 165 kms + 169 kms de goudron au lieu de 410 km de goudron par Seeheim. Mais bon moi ce que j'en dis... 😉 On essaye toujours de transmettre ses propres envies aux copains pour partager... mais bon ! 🤪
Si j'avais le choix, je ne dormirais pas à Aus (bien que camping sympa) mais dans la première moitié de la D707, en dessous de Betta (bungalow sympa + Pompe essence) pour prendre le temps le matin pour arriver à Sesriem.
Bonne prépa... Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Bonjour,
Fish river Canyon - sesriem en une journée ca me parait fatiguant, ca risque d'etre long (a tenter)
Le choix de le faire en deux jours s'impose peut etre.
Soit faire une halte a Luderitz ou a Betta
A choisir, j'opterai pour Luderitz, ca couperait le trajet en deux et ca permetterait de prendre l'air sur la cote.
Le camp et la vue sont sympathique ( port, dunes et la ville)
Bon voyage !
bon vent à tous!!
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Une question qui a un vague rapport avec ce qui précède : Seisfontein / Purros, c'est combien de temps à peu près ?
Merci à tous pour vos précisions 😉
Pierre Sesfontein-Puros c'est environ 3h30 en comptant quelques arrêts photos obligatoires 🙂
Merci à tous pour vos précisions 😉
Pierre Sesfontein-Puros c'est environ 3h30 en comptant quelques arrêts photos obligatoires 🙂
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Mais bon moi ce que j'en dis... 😉 On essaye toujours de transmettre ses propres envies aux copains pour partager... mais bon ! 🤪
Ben alors Francky ! te fâches pas 😉 Ton avis est apprécié Et le partage c'est bien l'essence même de ce forum, non ?
Juste je ne voyais pas la piste que tu nous montres ni sur mes cartes, ni sur Ka-map... Perso c'est évident que je préfère de la piste avec du beau paysage que du goudron avec rien à voir, donc merci pour cette info.
pour ce qui est du trajet je vais le faire sur 2 jours et profiter à fond de cette fameuse D707 aurais tu le nom du camp à betta ?
Ben alors Francky ! te fâches pas 😉 Ton avis est apprécié Et le partage c'est bien l'essence même de ce forum, non ?
Juste je ne voyais pas la piste que tu nous montres ni sur mes cartes, ni sur Ka-map... Perso c'est évident que je préfère de la piste avec du beau paysage que du goudron avec rien à voir, donc merci pour cette info.
pour ce qui est du trajet je vais le faire sur 2 jours et profiter à fond de cette fameuse D707 aurais tu le nom du camp à betta ?
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Merci 🙂
Va pas falloir traîner quand même depuis Palmwag…
oui rajoutes en 2 😉 Un petit détail mais d'importance pour les photos. La piste entre Seisfontein et Puros est extraordinairement belle, c'est pourquoi il vaut mieux la faire au petit matin ou en fin d'après-midi pour profiter des belles lumières
Va pas falloir traîner quand même depuis Palmwag…
oui rajoutes en 2 😉 Un petit détail mais d'importance pour les photos. La piste entre Seisfontein et Puros est extraordinairement belle, c'est pourquoi il vaut mieux la faire au petit matin ou en fin d'après-midi pour profiter des belles lumières
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Le nom du camp a Betta est Betta's rest camp.
Betta Restcamp
PO Box 107 Maltahohe
Tel : (063) 693 003
E-mail : betta@iway.na
Situation géographique : A Aus prendre la C13, puis un peu avant Helmeringhausen prendre la D407, le camp se situe à une centaine de kilomètres plus loin.
Prix en camping : 85N$ p.p + véhicule 10N$ ( 2007)
Betta Restcamp
PO Box 107 Maltahohe
Tel : (063) 693 003
E-mail : betta@iway.na
Situation géographique : A Aus prendre la C13, puis un peu avant Helmeringhausen prendre la D407, le camp se situe à une centaine de kilomètres plus loin.
Prix en camping : 85N$ p.p + véhicule 10N$ ( 2007)bon vent à tous!!
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Merci arroukatchee 😉
Mais c'est pas très pratique par rapport à la D707, c'est ce camp là dont tu parlais Francky ?
Mais c'est pas très pratique par rapport à la D707, c'est ce camp là dont tu parlais Francky ?
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Tout depend si vous voulez rejoindre la C27 pour rejoindre Sersriem.
Dans ce cas vous passez par Betta en venant de la D707
bon vent à tous!!
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J'ai regardé le trajet, voila ce que ca donne:
A AUS, prendre la c13, plus loin sur la gauche,
prendre l'intersection la D707 ( vu les photos de cette partie de la D707, ca l'air tres beau)
Ensuite a l'intersection, on arrive sur la C27 (prendre a gauche sinon on retourne a AUS ;) )
et plus loin se trouve le Betta restcamp.
Tout depend si c'etait votre choix de trajet.


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Bon là je comprends mieux 😉
Sur ta première explication on était pas vraiment au même endroit.
merci en tout cas
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Oui c'est vrai sur la premiere explication , je donne l'itineraire du Betta si on vient de la C27.
Car nous sommes passé par Helmeringhausen (D407 ou C27), le camp se situe à une centaine de kilomètres plus loin sur cette route.
Pour vous, cet itineraire n'est pas bon car vous ne passez pas par Helmeringhausen.
On voit bien sur l'image, la route qui passe par Helmeringhausen (en jaune)
Pour infos, de Aus au Betta restcamp, il y a environ 210 km (par la D707)
Pour infos, de Aus au Betta restcamp, il y a environ 210 km (par la D707)
bon vent à tous!!
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Oh bah non j'me fache pas...😊
C'est pas le genre... 😉
Le nom à Betta, euh me rappelle plus , ça doit être du genre "Betta camp bungalow site" 😄 juste derrière la station essence dans le village qui compte environ 4 maisons. Peux pas te tromper. Y a plein places, me rappelle plus si j avais réservé ? Ah oui c'est ça : Betta Rest Camp... eh what else ... ? Tiens j ai retrouvé les coordonnées GPS :-25 ° 22 ' 57.57016 ° 25 ' 24.307 Et pis comme j insiste pour que tu ailles repérer la piste dont je rêve... - piste au sud de Rosh pinah.jpg - Pont sur la rivière Orange.jpg
A plus Vincent Franck
Le nom à Betta, euh me rappelle plus , ça doit être du genre "Betta camp bungalow site" 😄 juste derrière la station essence dans le village qui compte environ 4 maisons. Peux pas te tromper. Y a plein places, me rappelle plus si j avais réservé ? Ah oui c'est ça : Betta Rest Camp... eh what else ... ? Tiens j ai retrouvé les coordonnées GPS :-25 ° 22 ' 57.57016 ° 25 ' 24.307 Et pis comme j insiste pour que tu ailles repérer la piste dont je rêve... - piste au sud de Rosh pinah.jpg - Pont sur la rivière Orange.jpg
A plus Vincent Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Bah les copains ont répondu plus vite que moi...pour Betta. C'est exactement ça Vincent. Là c'est clair.
Faut juste pas rater l'intersection C13 - D707 à gauche, car la route vers Helmeringhausen est toute droite et très caillouteuse... (c'est dingue comme les souvenirs reviennent...! ), alors que la D707... !
A+ F
A+ F
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Pour ce que l on peut lire un peu partout, Van Zyl pass, ça passe assez bien en descendant de l'Est vers l ouest.
Pour ce qui est de la piste qui longe la kunene entre Swartboiisdrift et Epupa, elle semble très difficile effectivement...
maintenant si quelqu un veut prendre rendez vous pour l'année prochaine, je veux bien m'associer pour tenter cette double aventure...
A bon entendeur... ! Franck
maintenant si quelqu un veut prendre rendez vous pour l'année prochaine, je veux bien m'associer pour tenter cette double aventure...
A bon entendeur... ! Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
maintenant si quelqu un veut prendre rendez vous pour l'année prochaine, je veux bien m'associer pour tenter cette double aventure...
A bon entendeur... !
c'est le forum de la tentation 😏😏 D'ailleurs le parcours de Pierre77 (plus haut) est franchement bien...j'en bave d'envie à étudier...
c'est le forum de la tentation 😏😏 D'ailleurs le parcours de Pierre77 (plus haut) est franchement bien...j'en bave d'envie à étudier...
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Bah oui c'est tentant le parcours de Pierre...
Tiens, quelqu un veut venir jouer avec moi...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPtiF1GjEyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7m9PDKFKvI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1nhTDWLrqY
On peut même emporter la cariole... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9NcPVaoZw4&NR=1
Alors c'est quand qu on y va... 😏😏😏
Tiens, quelqu un veut venir jouer avec moi...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPtiF1GjEyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7m9PDKFKvI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1nhTDWLrqY
On peut même emporter la cariole... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9NcPVaoZw4&NR=1
Alors c'est quand qu on y va... 😏😏😏
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Eh regarde Vincent, toi qui viendra du sud, tu pourras même la prendre à l'envers la Van Zyl Pass...
😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDY70z6qoeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDY70z6qoeE
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Fastoche 😉 😊
Si quelqu'un m'avait proposé ça dès cette année… Je ne me serais sûrement pas fait prier longtemps. 😇 Mes co-voyageurs du Kaokoland cette année n'ont pas d'expérience 4x4 et Van Zyl's ils n'ont pas osé… Ce que je comprends très bien.
Je ne sais pas si on pourra être à nouveau dans le coin en 2011, mais la piste du Kunene + Van Zyl's, c'est tentant. 😎
Si quelqu'un m'avait proposé ça dès cette année… Je ne me serais sûrement pas fait prier longtemps. 😇 Mes co-voyageurs du Kaokoland cette année n'ont pas d'expérience 4x4 et Van Zyl's ils n'ont pas osé… Ce que je comprends très bien.
Je ne sais pas si on pourra être à nouveau dans le coin en 2011, mais la piste du Kunene + Van Zyl's, c'est tentant. 😎
On peut se mettre d'accord si tu veux : On dit 2011 si on peut, si non 2012... ce n'est jamais que dans deux ans.. 😛
Les aléas de la vie et de la finance ne permettent pas de s'engager à date fixe, forcément, mais dire qu on fera ce qu il faut pour le faire pas trop tard, ce serait déjà bien... Je rêve aussi de Van zyl pass et de la Kunene depuis plusieurs années.
Moi je suis partant... La namibie c'est tellement bien... !
On peut même ajouter un peu de piment si tu veux : kaudom... ! 😉
Bonne prépa en attendant que tu ailles repérer les lieux... veinard ! (moi je serai en Tanzanie où les choses sont bcp plus compliquée à organiser)
Franck
Les aléas de la vie et de la finance ne permettent pas de s'engager à date fixe, forcément, mais dire qu on fera ce qu il faut pour le faire pas trop tard, ce serait déjà bien... Je rêve aussi de Van zyl pass et de la Kunene depuis plusieurs années.
Moi je suis partant... La namibie c'est tellement bien... !
On peut même ajouter un peu de piment si tu veux : kaudom... ! 😉
Bonne prépa en attendant que tu ailles repérer les lieux... veinard ! (moi je serai en Tanzanie où les choses sont bcp plus compliquée à organiser)
Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Ah oui en rajoutant Kaudom on fait une spéciale maso 😛
Après pour rigoler tu finis par Moremi
C'est chaud quand même ce Van Zyl pass mais que c'est tentant. Par contre je croyais qu'on avait pas le droit de le prendre dans le sens Ouest-Est ?
C'est chaud quand même ce Van Zyl pass mais que c'est tentant. Par contre je croyais qu'on avait pas le droit de le prendre dans le sens Ouest-Est ?
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Ah oui en rajoutant Kaudom on fait une spéciale masoEffectivement, encore un endroit ultra sauvage où il vaut mieux être à plusieurs, pour désensabler celui qui est coincé devant l'éléphant qui charge...😕
Après pour rigoler tu finis par Moremi Ouai, sans dégonfler les pneus... ! 😉 avec un morceau de barbaque sanguinolant au bout d un fil...🏴☠️
C'est chaud quand même ce Van Zyl pass mais que c'est tentant. En première courte avec un bon diesel, "parfois" ça passe...😛 Il parait qu il faut camper en haut pour avoir le coucher et le lever du soleil...😎
Par contre je croyais qu'on avait pas le droit de le prendre dans le sens Ouest-Est ? Oui mais en bas, le panneau "Sens Interdit" est cassé...😄 Gare au gendarmes, "habillés" en rouge, en haut de la côte... ! En fait c'est dans les deux sens mais ceux qui descendent sont prioritaires...😏 si tu les croises, tu dois redescendre en marche arrière... 😏😏
Hein hein, je vois que ça te (vous) tente... !
Après pour rigoler tu finis par Moremi Ouai, sans dégonfler les pneus... ! 😉 avec un morceau de barbaque sanguinolant au bout d un fil...🏴☠️
C'est chaud quand même ce Van Zyl pass mais que c'est tentant. En première courte avec un bon diesel, "parfois" ça passe...😛 Il parait qu il faut camper en haut pour avoir le coucher et le lever du soleil...😎
Par contre je croyais qu'on avait pas le droit de le prendre dans le sens Ouest-Est ? Oui mais en bas, le panneau "Sens Interdit" est cassé...😄 Gare au gendarmes, "habillés" en rouge, en haut de la côte... ! En fait c'est dans les deux sens mais ceux qui descendent sont prioritaires...😏 si tu les croises, tu dois redescendre en marche arrière... 😏😏
Hein hein, je vois que ça te (vous) tente... !
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
On peut se mettre d'accord si tu veux : On dit 2011 si on peut, si non 2012... ce n'est jamais que dans deux ans.. 😛
Les aléas de la vie et de la finance ne permettent pas de s'engager à date fixe, forcément, mais dire qu on fera ce qu il faut pour le faire pas trop tard, ce serait déjà bien... Je rêve aussi de Van zyl pass et de la Kunene depuis plusieurs années.
Moi je suis partant... La namibie c'est tellement bien... !
Moi aussi, mais le reste de la famille a parfois d'autres désirs… et le porte-monnaie aussi. Difficile de prévoir aussi en avance. mais je garde ça au chaud dans un coin de ma tête.
On peut même ajouter un peu de piment si tu veux : kaudom... ! 😉
Bien sûr ! Encore un coin où j'aimerais bien mettre mon nez. Mamili aussi…
Bonne prépa en attendant que tu ailles repérer les lieux... veinard ! (moi je serai en Tanzanie où les choses sont bcp plus compliquée à organiser)
Oui on va déjà voir cette année à quoi ressemble le Kaokoland en dehors de l'axe Opuwo / Epupa !
La Tanzanie ? Doit pas être mal non plus. Ça se fait en self-drive ? Faudrait que j'aille voir ce qui se raconte dans la partie du forum. Bonne préparation à toi aussi !
Moi aussi, mais le reste de la famille a parfois d'autres désirs… et le porte-monnaie aussi. Difficile de prévoir aussi en avance. mais je garde ça au chaud dans un coin de ma tête.
On peut même ajouter un peu de piment si tu veux : kaudom... ! 😉
Bien sûr ! Encore un coin où j'aimerais bien mettre mon nez. Mamili aussi…
Bonne prépa en attendant que tu ailles repérer les lieux... veinard ! (moi je serai en Tanzanie où les choses sont bcp plus compliquée à organiser)
Oui on va déjà voir cette année à quoi ressemble le Kaokoland en dehors de l'axe Opuwo / Epupa !
La Tanzanie ? Doit pas être mal non plus. Ça se fait en self-drive ? Faudrait que j'aille voir ce qui se raconte dans la partie du forum. Bonne préparation à toi aussi !
Moi je serais presque d'accord, mais ma petite femme va pas aimer DU TOUT la pluie et LA BOUE...🏴☠️ : Casus Divorcis... !
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Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
je viens de montrer les vidéos à ma femme, elle m'a traité de fou et qu'il était hors de question que je l'embarque dans pareille aventure 😎 😎 😎
Et je lui ai pas encore parlé de kaudhom 😛
Vous croyez pas que c'est un truc à faire entre mecs ? 😏 😏
Pour le van zyl oui le passage délicat n'est pas très long d'après ce que j'en sais mais la piste reste néanmoins assez coton par ailleurs
Vous croyez pas que c'est un truc à faire entre mecs ? 😏 😏
Pour le van zyl oui le passage délicat n'est pas très long d'après ce que j'en sais mais la piste reste néanmoins assez coton par ailleurs
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Oh bah Armelle, te fais de soucis, tu descendras à pied avec Elisabeth...
On appellera un hélico pour vous transférer en bas avec la femme de Pierre...., on vous mettra à dos d'éléphant..., ON VOUS LAISSERA EN HAUT....😏😏😏...😕
Casus Divorcis ?
En attendant, si ça vous chante, on peut se faire un wek-end rigolo dans les chemins de Navarre, ou sur un terrain de 4x4 faire des pirouettes, au printemps... entre mecs...😉 ou pas... ?
Pour le van zyl oui le passage délicat n'est pas très long d'après ce que j'en sais --> Pareil mais la piste reste néanmoins assez coton par ailleurs --> Première courte, tranquille...😇
Tu sais, si il y en a qui MONTENT, c'est que quand même, on doit pouvoir descendre...
A+ F
On appellera un hélico pour vous transférer en bas avec la femme de Pierre...., on vous mettra à dos d'éléphant..., ON VOUS LAISSERA EN HAUT....😏😏😏...😕
Casus Divorcis ?
En attendant, si ça vous chante, on peut se faire un wek-end rigolo dans les chemins de Navarre, ou sur un terrain de 4x4 faire des pirouettes, au printemps... entre mecs...😉 ou pas... ?
Pour le van zyl oui le passage délicat n'est pas très long d'après ce que j'en sais --> Pareil mais la piste reste néanmoins assez coton par ailleurs --> Première courte, tranquille...😇
Tu sais, si il y en a qui MONTENT, c'est que quand même, on doit pouvoir descendre...
A+ F
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Vous croyez pas que c'est un truc à faire entre mecs ? 😏 😏
Il y a des filles qui y vont et qui racontent 😉 http://www.pangolin.li/...es/namibia03/p4.html mais tu as peut-être raison…
En attendant, si ça vous chante, on peut se faire un wek-end rigolo dans les chemins de Navarre, ou sur un terrain de 4x4 faire des pirouettes, au printemps... entre mecs...😉 ou pas... ?
Plutôt les chemins de Navarre que le terrain à pirouettes (encore que le Marquenterre…), pas de doute, ça me chante, mais… je t'envoie un mp.
Il y a des filles qui y vont et qui racontent 😉 http://www.pangolin.li/...es/namibia03/p4.html mais tu as peut-être raison…
En attendant, si ça vous chante, on peut se faire un wek-end rigolo dans les chemins de Navarre, ou sur un terrain de 4x4 faire des pirouettes, au printemps... entre mecs...😉 ou pas... ?
Plutôt les chemins de Navarre que le terrain à pirouettes (encore que le Marquenterre…), pas de doute, ça me chante, mais… je t'envoie un mp.
Salut Vincent,
toujours en pleine réflexion pour ton projet estival 2010. Je t'avais quitté tu projetais de traverser l'atlantique et te voilà en Afrique autrale 😛.
Je viens de montrer les vidéos à ma femme, elle m'a traité de fou et qu'il était hors de question que je l'embarque dans pareille aventure 😎 😎 😎
Francky4
Moi je serais presque d'accord, mais ma petite femme va pas aimer DU TOUT la pluie et LA BOUE...🏴☠️ : Casus Divorcis... !
pierre77N
La mienne non plus. 😉
Rassurez moi... on n'est pas tous marié à la même?
Je pars du 14 juillet au 7 août sur un parcours plus standard. Isabelle, ma femme, s'inquiètait hier soir de savoir si les pistes donnaient dans le vide (elle a vraiment pas aimé la Corse ou les pistes d'altitude en Utah ou au Colorado). J'ai su lui répondre qu'en Namibie elle ne serait pas confrontée à ça... 😏. Par contre deuxième inquiétude "On fait comment pour se ravitailler s'il n'y a pas de villes?". Ben ça... j'ai pas su lui répondre... C'est pas faute de ne pas avoir lu de carnets de voyages mais les photos de Mauricette qui fait la queue aux caisses du supermarché ne sont pas légion 😛😛.
J'ai lu le parcours de Pierre (qui roule 😊) mais on ne se croisera pas l'été prochain...
@+ FreD.
bonne journée.
Je viens de montrer les vidéos à ma femme, elle m'a traité de fou et qu'il était hors de question que je l'embarque dans pareille aventure 😎 😎 😎
Francky4
Moi je serais presque d'accord, mais ma petite femme va pas aimer DU TOUT la pluie et LA BOUE...🏴☠️ : Casus Divorcis... !
pierre77N
La mienne non plus. 😉
Rassurez moi... on n'est pas tous marié à la même?
Je pars du 14 juillet au 7 août sur un parcours plus standard. Isabelle, ma femme, s'inquiètait hier soir de savoir si les pistes donnaient dans le vide (elle a vraiment pas aimé la Corse ou les pistes d'altitude en Utah ou au Colorado). J'ai su lui répondre qu'en Namibie elle ne serait pas confrontée à ça... 😏. Par contre deuxième inquiétude "On fait comment pour se ravitailler s'il n'y a pas de villes?". Ben ça... j'ai pas su lui répondre... C'est pas faute de ne pas avoir lu de carnets de voyages mais les photos de Mauricette qui fait la queue aux caisses du supermarché ne sont pas légion 😛😛.
J'ai lu le parcours de Pierre (qui roule 😊) mais on ne se croisera pas l'été prochain...
@+ FreD.
bonne journée.
Rassurez moi... on n'est pas tous marié à la même?
Ben non finalement. La mienne adore la Corse et ses pistes, même les vertigineuses 😉 (si pas trop longues !)
En Namibie, à moins d'aller chercher les plus difficiles au Kaokoland, pas de pistes vertigineuses, pas de souci pour ta femme !
Pour les courses… Effectivement j'ai oublié de faire des photos des supermarchés. Mais rassure-la, ils ressemblent beaucoup (trop ?) à nos "superZ" ou "croisements" français ! Et il y en a bien assez pour remplir le petit frigo du 4x4 !
On croisera nos impressions au retour. 😉
Ben non finalement. La mienne adore la Corse et ses pistes, même les vertigineuses 😉 (si pas trop longues !)
En Namibie, à moins d'aller chercher les plus difficiles au Kaokoland, pas de pistes vertigineuses, pas de souci pour ta femme !
Pour les courses… Effectivement j'ai oublié de faire des photos des supermarchés. Mais rassure-la, ils ressemblent beaucoup (trop ?) à nos "superZ" ou "croisements" français ! Et il y en a bien assez pour remplir le petit frigo du 4x4 !
On croisera nos impressions au retour. 😉
Salut Vincent,
toujours en pleine réflexion pour ton projet estival 2010. Je t'avais quitté tu projetais de traverser l'atlantique et te voilà en Afrique autrale 😛.
Salut Fred, et oui que veux tu, on se refait pas. L'appel de l'Afrique est toujours plus fort 😎😎 D'ailleurs prépares toi tu vas bientôt goûter à la morsure de l'Afrique australe 😉
Bon tu dis à Isabelle qu'elle s'inquiète pas, on trouve de la bouffe partout, en plus tu auras ton petit frigo perso dans ton 4x4, et au pire tu iras chasser le springbok pour faire le dîner 😛
blague à part je te fais un mail, on aura ptet des jours en commun 😉
Salut Fred, et oui que veux tu, on se refait pas. L'appel de l'Afrique est toujours plus fort 😎😎 D'ailleurs prépares toi tu vas bientôt goûter à la morsure de l'Afrique australe 😉
Bon tu dis à Isabelle qu'elle s'inquiète pas, on trouve de la bouffe partout, en plus tu auras ton petit frigo perso dans ton 4x4, et au pire tu iras chasser le springbok pour faire le dîner 😛
blague à part je te fais un mail, on aura ptet des jours en commun 😉
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
Bonjour,
La route est excellente d'Aï ais à rosh Pinah via la rivière Orange. Très beaux paysages. on quitte la D316 à 21 km au sud de l'embranchement venant d'Aï ais pour tourner à droite vers la C17 (ou D207 suivant les cartes) en direction d'aussenkehr (30 km). On rejoint la C13 qui longe la rivière orange. le pont sur la fish river sur cet axe était en juillet 09 en bon état. Depuis Canyon lodge, j'ai fait dans la journée, cette route jusqu'à Aus et A/R Luderitz où je suis resté environ 90 mn, en tout 630 km. arrivée 17h30 à aus en partant à 8 h de canyon lodge. (nous avons mangé en roulant quand même!!)
630 km y compris l'aller-retour Aus - Luderitz, donc Ais Ais -> Aus = 630 - 250 = 380 km ?
Merci pour ces infos toutes fraiches...😛 Franck
Merci pour ces infos toutes fraiches...😛 Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
T'inquiètes Francky, je te ferai un rapport détaillé avec photos à l'appui 😉
Merci Doumechris pour l'info, et Luderitz alors ? t'en penses quoi ?
Merci Doumechris pour l'info, et Luderitz alors ? t'en penses quoi ?
Botswana Zimbabwe 2011
Namibie 2012
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Hi there,
Hope the pros are on the lookout!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
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Or,
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March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
Hi there,
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I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
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I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
Hi there,
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Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
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Hi there,
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
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What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations. Thanks for any feedback on this plan! Ailleurs 64
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Have a great day
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Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
Hi there,
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
Hi everyone!
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
Hi everyone!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
Hi
Any feedback on the agency Mon Guide Zanzibar?
Hi everyone,
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Hello,
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
Hi everyone,
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
Hello everyone,
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
Hi everyone,
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
hi there
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
Hey everyone,
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
hi there
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers. We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering: Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later) Pretoria – 2 days Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day Acornhoek – 1 day Letaba – 2 days Lobamba – 2 days Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days Cape of Good Hope – 1 day Stellenbosch – 1 day Hermanus – 1 day Mossel Bay – 2 days Oudtshoorn Wilderness – 2 days Knysna Port Elizabeth – 2 days Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions. We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers. We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering: Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later) Pretoria – 2 days Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day Acornhoek – 1 day Letaba – 2 days Lobamba – 2 days Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days Cape of Good Hope – 1 day Stellenbosch – 1 day Hermanus – 1 day Mossel Bay – 2 days Oudtshoorn Wilderness – 2 days Knysna Port Elizabeth – 2 days Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions. We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!


