What is a travel journal?
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I’m willing to bet that even if we handed management over to an A.I.

An A.I. could spot scams. I can’t imagine an A.I. being ready to pick up on all the subtleties and nuances of human interactions. 🤪

As for the rest of the moderation discussion, I’ll self-censor.
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DO Dolma Globetrotter ·
So, we now clearly and precisely know what a travel journal is for MyAtlas and thus for VF:

Hello,

In accordance with the Forum rules, a journal must include images. Otherwise, it’s not a journal and doesn’t belong in this section.

Best regards, Stéphanie

I received a PM referring to my so-called pseudo-journal "Scottish Wanderings," which was moved to Western Europe.

It’s really disappointing...
un chemin et la caresse du vent, alors je pars en voyage...
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
For your info, one of the most-read travel journals on VF—if not *the* most-read (it’s true it’s quite old)—only has 3 photos, and even then, just anecdotally.

It’s true that it dates from a time when most journals didn’t include any photos at all. Times change...

A journal focused on a very niche topic, almost off-topic, that was wildly successful with over 90,000 views. Who can top that?

https://voyageforum.com/v.f?do=post_view_flat;post=1458198;page=1;search_string=plate-forme%20petroliere;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=20;
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
Okay, we now clearly and precisely understand what a travel journal is for MyAtlas and thus for VF: [...] reference to my so-called pseudo-journal "Flâneries Ecossaises" transferred to Western Europe.

It's really sad...

Why keep banging your head or stomping your feet in front of a door you know will stay closed because it protects an unyielding position? 🙂 Why lock yourself into absurd intransigence and think that following a rule would mean selling your soul? 😕 Why establish (or submit to) a power struggle (lost from the start) that can only breed bitterness? 😐

What does a photo take away from the strength or interest of a text? 🙂
MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
What does a photo take away from the power, the appeal, of a text? 🙂

I totally agree, especially since for me VF is first and foremost about information, but also discovery and entertainment—so a huge block of text without any breaks, and I’ll skip it right away. Without going overboard into a family photo album, either. It’s all about balance, really.
"Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux." Marcel Proust
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi there,

Here’s a clear and precise definition of what a travel journal is for MyAtlas and thus for VF:

Hello,

According to the Forum rules, a journal must include images. Otherwise, it’s not a journal and doesn’t belong in this section.

Best regards, Stéphanie

I received a PM referencing my so-called "Flâneries Ecossaises" pseudo-journal, which was moved to Western Europe.

It’s really disappointing...

I think it’s a shame you deleted your travel journal—I would’ve read it gladly.

Rigid rules are one solution. Another is sarcasm: toss in three crappy photos at the end of the text, completely pointless, just there to follow the rule, obviously there for the rule, and not giving a damn.

Catherine
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
slapping 3 crappy photos at the end of the text, with no interest, just there for the rule, blatantly there for the rule, and not giving a damn.

What do 3 photos, pretty, well-done, flattering, take away from the strength or interest of a text? 🙂 And Dolma does take photos, and sometimes beautiful ones.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Inflexibility is one solution. Another is derision: slapping 3 crappy photos at the end of the text, with no interest whatsoever, just there for the rule, obviously there for the rule, and not giving a damn. Catherine

Oh no, please, my eyes have suffered enough already! 😎
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Hi Dolma,

"Travel journals, memorable souvenir descriptions, reports, travel accounts, etc."

I don’t see anywhere specifying that photos are mandatory in the section’s presentation?

If that’s now the case, it’d be best to mention it.

Today’s world is pretty image-driven. I guess that’s why photos are requested?

Still, for me, a text alone can also be a travel journal.

That said, having an image is definitely preferable. It acts as the cover of the journal.

Since some people cheat on the maximum number of photos, a journal without photos could also be misused...

You write part of your text on paper, photograph it, and insert it...😄
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KA Kate Globetrotter ·
You write part of your text on paper, photograph it, and insert it...😄

So funny 😏😄
Mes photos sur Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/153304262@N05/albums "Le Temps nous égare. Le Temps nous étreint. Le Temps nous est gare. Le Temps nous est train".
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hello,

What do 3 pretty, successful, flattering photos take away from the strength and interest of a text? Smile

Yes. Some texts stand on their own. Images, no matter how good they are, distort them. Because they inevitably turn them into something else—a clumsy, unnatural hybrid.

I know I don’t write the same way at all when I’m crafting a pure text versus a text-and-image dialogue.

Catherine
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
One of the most-read journals on VF—if not *the* most read—has only 3 photos, and even those are just incidental. A journal focused on a very specific theme, almost off-topic, that became wildly successful with over 90,000 views. Can anyone top that?

A winning formula! At the opposite end of the spectrum: barely any text, just photos (and not even in color!), the journal of a guy who travels with his culture as much as with his eyes, capturing the spirit of places like few others. But only 5,000 views. Go figure.

Shows how this forum was big enough to welcome different styles without it hurting the whole.
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Hi there

I literally jumped when I read your message! To the point where I wondered if you might have mixed up your words. But no, UM knows exactly what she’s writing 😉

Some texts are self-sufficient

That’s absolutely right.

Images, no matter their quality, distort them.

Now, that’s where I completely disagree

Because they inevitably turn them into something else—clunky, unnatural.

If the text is pleasant to read, clear, and fluid, and the photo that goes with it has the same qualities, why would one distort the other?

I’m thinking of Sylvain Tesson and his friend Vincent Munier, whose close collaboration gave birth to a book, a film, and a photo album. Did Vincent Munier’s photos distort Sylvain Tesson’s writing? Couldn’t we say that the two complement or even elevate each other?

I know I don’t write the same way at all if I’m crafting pure text or a dialogue between text and image(s).

If you think you have that kind of talent, hats off to you!
Mes photos sur Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/153304262@N05/albums "Le Temps nous égare. Le Temps nous étreint. Le Temps nous est gare. Le Temps nous est train".
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi Kate,

I’m thinking of Sylvain Tesson and his friend Vincent Munier, whose close collaboration gave birth to a book, a film, and a photo album. Did Vincent Munier’s photos corrupt Sylvain Tesson’s writing? Couldn’t we say that the two complement or even enhance each other?

I don’t know which book you’re talking about—I’ve never read Tesson. But you write “collaboration,” so I imagine it’s a joint creation. What I call a text/photo dialogue. Not a text written as an end in itself where photos are just thrown in afterward. That can make for beautiful works (I’m thinking of the book by Enard and Marques), but it’s not crafted as a text that *then* has to be illustrated because poor *Homo Ventunesimoseculus* panics if they only see words.

So if you think you have that kind of talent, hats off!

It’s not about talent—it’s about the original perspective, the project. Want a concrete example, for illustration 😛?



I had a choice: to convey the unfathomable vulgarity of tourism that prostitutes so many Greek places, I could’ve used a single, telling photo or an over-the-top, violent accumulation of words. Since I’m getting lazier by the day, I went with the text/photo dialogue version.

I can’t wait for your new Indian travel journal and its gorgeous photos 😉

Cat
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I felt the same way as Kate while reading your post, but I didn’t quite dare to chime in.

Let’s be practical: we travel to feel, sense, hear, taste, but essentially, it’s to see something different. When it’s technically possible, of course those landscapes, people, colors, and shapes have their rightful place in a travel journal.

You can stick to just writing—it’s not an easy exercise—but in the past, that was mostly the case when, for technical reasons, you couldn’t add photos.

As for the last image, I’ll refrain from any risqué comments this time. Let’s just say we don’t know what those colors on those objects are made of, and there *might* be a risk of carcinogens with prolonged use. So, you were right not to buy them. 😉
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Well, I never!

Hi there,

Some of you—and maybe most—travel to see something different if you feel like it, and so you prefer seeing photos in travel journals too. But that’s not what I was responding to. My comment isn’t an attack on journals with photos (I make them myself ), but rather a reply to Kola:

What do 3 photos, pretty, well-done, flattering ones, take away from the strength or interest of a text?

Yes, if the text was written *not* to be illustrated.

I find it wild that you don’t realize this. If I have the time, missionary energy, and pedagogical urge, I’ll whip up three Uzbek travel journals for you—meaning three ways to make you *feel* my trip: the text-only version, the text-photo dialogue version, and finally the silly version where I just slap in photos to illustrate because I *have* to.

Have a great Sunday!

Cat
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
DO Dolma Globetrotter ·
Hi Catherine,

Goes to show that tastes, colors, and interpretations can vary from one person to another!

I share your opinion, but multiplied by 10 million: the writing isn’t the same at all between a text + photos and text alone. It’s not about having talent (first of all, what *is* talent?) to "know" or "be able" to do one or the other—it’s simply that the approach isn’t the same, the kind of sharing you want isn’t the same, and the pleasure of writing isn’t the same either.

I make photo+text travel journal-albums for my loved ones (family, friends) who are interested in my trips, and I make text-only journals for my own writing pleasure and to share with those who enjoy taking the time to read and appreciate the writing.

There are some gorgeous photo journals here (right, Kate?), and there are plenty of photo albums. And that’s that.
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Yes, of course, and one doesn’t prevent the other.

Text-only posts or poetic texts actually enrich this forum. Often, they’re not my cup of tea, but these things and their expression are so personal...

Anyway, others have already had the idea: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercices_de_style
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
I’ll whip up 3 Uzbek travel journals for you, meaning 3 ways to make you feel my trip: the text version, the text/photo dialogue version, and finally the silly text version where I just slap in photos to illustrate because I have to.

3 travel journals whipped up... one soft-boiled, one scrambled, and one sunny-side up? Quite the omelet!

It’s a shame to caricature the text/photo opposition to the extreme. While some publishers release their books under a uniform jacket, a signature of their house, others—no less qualitative—publish their no less literary works with an illustrated cover.

Does a photo on the cover of a book or an image as an epigraph to a travel journal dumb down the content?
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
What Olympic form! Hope there’s some left for Monday 😛
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hello,

There are some beautiful photo journals here (right, Kate?), and there are lots of photo albums. And that’s it.

I was curious enough to scroll through the posts in the "travel journal" section, and some of them don’t have any images. Here, there, or here, etc. Go figure...

@Kola, Laying eggs is related to gestation, not cooking. If you’re one of those people who, when they find a hair in their soup—to stick with your culinary perspective—just decide it doesn’t affect the broth’s nutritional value, this discussion is pointless. We won’t understand each other.

Catherine
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
I was curious enough to scroll through the posts in the "travel journal" section, and some of them don’t have any images. here, there, or here, etc. Go figure...

You wonder why they were even categorized under "travel journal"! They’re just short recaps, like notebook entries, with price details and other info—kind of like a travel agency’s tempting (or not so tempting ) itinerary.
Mes photos sur Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/153304262@N05/albums "Le Temps nous égare. Le Temps nous étreint. Le Temps nous est gare. Le Temps nous est train".
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
why were they filed under the "travel journal" section!

I guess it’s simply because that’s where their authors posted them?

Okay, apparently there’s no clear line about what counts as a travel journal...🤪

I get the feeling that if it’s literary and has no photos, it doesn’t fly.

Literary with photos, yes.

Informative, yes in all cases.
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KO Kola Globetrotter ·
@Kola, The "ponte" is related to gestation, not cooking. If you're one of those people who, when they find a hair in their soup—to stay within your culinary perspective—simply judge that it doesn’t affect the broth’s nutritional qualities, this discussion is pointless. We won’t understand each other.

Catherine

So just leave la ponte to the oviparous females...

Your comparison between a hair in the soup and a photo on a book cover or in a travel journal is pure intellectual nitpicking. By dodging the second part of my message—the most important part—you perfectly justify the conclusion of yours: We won’t understand each other.
DO Dolma Globetrotter ·
These are just short notes, notebook-style, with price indications and other details in the style of a travel agency with its enticing (or not ) program

This is probably what the majority of members of this "new" forum want, and what the new Management wants too, without leaving even a tiny space for the minority of members who’d like a little more than charm-free lists 😕

Tomorrow, I’ll try a different approach to the travel journal. To be continued
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
We’ll read it. Creativity often comes from the challenges you encounter.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Good evening,

Your comparison between a hair in the soup and a photo on a book cover or in a journal amounts to intellectual nitpicking. By dodging the second part of my message—the most important part—you perfectly justify the conclusion of yours: We won’t understand each other.

You might find my use of "intellectual nitpicking" harsh, but since I need to spell it out so clearly: it’s in response to the second part of your message, the most important part. I’ve never seen a book cover used as an illustration—except maybe for my art books, and even then, rarely. I don’t notice it when I buy the book, and when I’m reading it, opened, the cover disappears. So it’s completely insignificant and, therefore, negligible. You can’t say the same about an image "as an epigraph"—one that opens, introduces, or precedes the text. And we’re back to my original point: whether the text engages with that image or whether it’s a foreign element—in other words, a hair in the soup.

Catherine
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)

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