Ce n'est pas la PAF en France qui décide qui est admissible sur le territoire américan. D'ailleurs à partir du moment que tu quittes le territoire français, ils s'en fichent.
Ils visent juste le passeport tout de même à la sortie du territoire, mais sans prêter grand cas à la destination ni aux détails si on est bien passé à l'enregistrement.
Ok donc en gros, pour ceux qui cherchent ou chercheraient l'information pour leur voyage, voici la situation dans laquelle je me trouve :
M'ont affirmé catégoriquement qu'un passeport d'urgence valable un an à compter de sa date d'émission et étant à lecture optique (type Delphine) même délivré après le 26 Octobre 2005 était suffisant pour se rendre aux USA depuis la France sans visa :Les différents membres du consulat des USA de Nice, Lille et Marseille, 3 personnes à la mairie de Nice, La préfècture centrale de Nice, Le site de l'Ambassade des Etats Unis à Paris sur la page http://www.amb-usa.fr/consul/nivfr/procedure/defaut.htm stipulant " Les passeports d ' urgence français à lecture optique sont valides pour l' admission sur le territoire américain dans le cadre du Programme d ' Exemption de Visa. Sont inclus les passeports d ' urgence délivrés en France métropolitaine ou en dehors de l ' hexagone, soit par le Ministère de l ' Intérieur, soit par le Ministère des Affaires Etrangères."Agatka de ce forum.
M'ont affirmé totalement l'inverse :Les Polices des Airs et Frontières (PAF) de Nice, Marseille, Paris CDG et Paris Orly, Des intervenants sur ce forum dans le même cas et ayant été refoulés avant embarquement.Bon, c'est sur que posé comme ça, vous devez vous demander pourquoi j'hésite. Ca donne beaucoup plus envie de se baser sur ceux qui disent que mon passeport sans visa est ok pour partir aux USA... à condition que ce ne soit pas la PAF qui contrôle la régularité des papiers avant de partir. J'ajoute que ni les personnes en mairie, ni la préfecture, ni le consulat n'a su me répondre... sans pianoter sur Google... (incroyable...).
Mais dans ce cas, QUI contrôle les papiers et décide qui part ou qui ne part pas ? Les Cie aériennes ? Les douanes ? Une autorité américaine ? Comment les joindre ?
Dans mon esprit ça marche comme ça : la compagnie défini au départ qui entre et qui reste avec des critères stricts pour ne pas avoir d'amende. Une fois aux USA, on passe le vrai contrôle. Am I right ?
C'est l'agent qui opère pour la compagnie lors de l'enregistrement qui va accepter ou non d'enregistrer ; comme il met en jeu une éventuelle amende en cas de refoulement et le coût d'un billet retour, il ne plaisante pas et si il accepte de vous enregistrer c'est que ça va passer à l'arrivée.
La PAF va juste jeter un oeil débonnaire sur le passeport lors de la sortie du pays ; je ne pense pas qu'ils creusent la chose.
J'ai appelé mais n'ai réussi à avoir personne (20 h passé).
Par contre nouveau roulement de tambour :
Sur le site d'American Airlines :
Tous les voyageurs entrant aux Etats-Unis dans le cadre du Programme dExemption de Visa, quel que soit leur âge ou le type de passeport utilisé, doivent obligatoirement présenter un passeport à lecture optique. De plus, selon la date démission du passeport, dautres conditions peuvent sappliquer :Pour les passeports à lecture optique émis ou renouvelés / prolongés depuis le 26 Octobre 2006 : le passeport doit comporter une puce informatique contenant les données personnelles du détenteur et sa photo numérique (passeport électronique).Les passeports de type temporaire, durgence, officiel ou diplomatique sont exemptés de photo numérique et de puce informatique mais doivent obligatoirement être à lecture optique.Donc demain je téléphone aux compagnies effectuant des vols vers les USA.
"Les passeports de type temporaire, durgence, officiel ou diplomatique sont exemptés de photo numérique et de puce informatique mais doivent obligatoirement être à lecture optique."
Votre passeport est à lecture optique, non ?
Alors c'est bon.....
C'est à s'arracher les cheveux cette histoire !!!!!!!!
"Les passeports de type temporaire, durgence, officiel ou diplomatique sont exemptés de photo numérique et de puce informatique mais doivent obligatoirement être à lecture optique."
Votre passeport est à lecture optique, non ?
Alors c'est bon.....
Dans les liens que vous citez il n'est rien dit des passeports d'urgence français : "Temporary/Emergency" s'applique uniquement aux passeports allemands; ces passeports allemands d'urgence ne sont pas admis comme le disait plus haut dans la discussion notre partenaire de débat.
Sur le dernier lien :
Italian, French and Temporary German Passports Italy: If your regular Italian passport was issued or renewed on or after 10/26/05, and includes a digital photo, it is valid for VWP travel; otherwise, a U.S. visa is required. France: If you are traveling to the United States for business or tourism with a French passport issued on or after October 26, 2005 that does not have an electronic chip, you will need to apply for a U.S. visa. Your French passport will have this gold symbol on the front cover if it is the e-Passport (electronic) version required for VWP travel.
Germany: Temporary/Emergency passports: The Department of Homeland Security has determined that German temporary/emergency passports are not valid for Visa Waiver Program travel. Therefore, German temporary or emergency passports holders must get a regular German passport for VWP travel, or apply for a visa.
EDIT : ohhh milles excuses michel, j'ai lu trop vite ! En effet seuls les passeports allemands
Passenger: holds machine-readable passport (MRP) (issued for each
accompanying family member, including infants); and holds a passport, if issued (or has been extended):
a. on or after October 26, 2005 but prior to October 26,
2006, containing digital photograph or integrated chip
with information from the data page (exempt are Temporary
or Emergency Passports); or
b. on or after October 26, 2006, containing integrated chip
with information from the data page (exempt are Temporary
or Emergency Passports )."
Il apparaît donc bien que les passeports d'urgence français font exception à l'obligation générale.
En tout cas je tiens vraiment à te remercier Michel, pour ton soutien, ton aide et surtout ta patience.
Mea culpa à Agatrka et merci à lui/elle également.
Je vous dirai si je suis resté bloqué en france, aux USA ou dans un casino de las vegas :)
Tu veux dire, le vrai passeport électronique ?
Je viens de découvrir ce débat, et je voulais juste ajouter qu'il me semble avoir le le message de quelqu'un sur ce forum qui s'était fait refoulé UNE FOIS RENDU aux Etats-Unis, avec un passeport d'urgence français (après une garde à vue de 24h je crois 🤪). Tout ca pour dire qu'on est jamais à l'abri d'un caprice localement... même si ca reste rare.
Nous avions du annuler notre voyage à la dernière minute pour cause de problèmes personnels.
Je ne peux donc te renseigner.
Par contre cette fois ci je pars à NYC dans 3 semaines et j'ai les bons passeports !
Je m'étais quand même informé et il semblerait que les risques de refoulage soient élevés (soit au décollage, soit à l'arrivée, soit le plus souvent à l'escale).
Essaies d'avoir un passeport électro ou ... ne pars pas si tu veux être sur car aucune assurance annulation ne prendra en charge.
Je viens de consulter ton message sur le voyage aux etats unis et le passeport urgent et je voudrais savoir si c'était vraiment ok pour toi lors de ton vyage car je pars ds 1 semaine avec mon ami et son passeport electronique n'est tjrs pas arrivé et on voudrait se rabattre sur un passeport uregnt delivré directement en prefecture mais est il ok pour les etats unis.
Merci d'avance de ton aide, c'est le stress pour nous.
Hé bien tu ne vas jamais me croire mais je suis bien parti à NYC (donc le 1er voyage annulé mais le second indiqué dans mon post plus haut je l'ai fait) et j'avais les bons passeports mais ... tu ne me croiras jamais mais l'histoire du passeport d'urgence s'est renouvelée car ... J'AI PERDU MON PASSEPORT 5 JOURS AVANT LE DEPART !!!!!!!!!! (je l'ai fait tomber dans la rue en allant chercher une caisse de pinar livrée par la poste ...)
J'ai du faire une déclaration de perte à la police.
J'ai obtenu de mon directeur un papier certifiant que je devais me rendre aux USA.
Je suis allé en préfecture et ai obtenu mon passeport d'urgence en 30 min montre en main.
J'ai sué comme un dingue jusqu'au dernier moment (voyage non annulable et déjà réservé).
Résultat des courses :Au départ de Nice, inspection du passeport : impeccable.A l'embarquement, impeccable.Arrivée à mon escale à Londres et là, l'agent de sécurité a voulu passer mon passeport dans la machine et il n'est pas passé :( ... car le lecteur est tombé en panne juste à ce moment là!! Ma pression arterielle a atteind un record mondial. Finalement utilisation d'un autre lecteur et impeccable.Arrivé à NYC, passage devant les officiels. Ouverture de mon passeport et "Welcome to the USA, have a nice trip".En un mot : AUCUN PROBLEME POUR UN PASSEPORT D'URGENCE
Une fois là bas j'ai posé les questions et on m'a certifié que le passeport d'urgence servait justement à ça...
Voyage fantastique.
Enjoy
PS : moralité, sur des sujets critiques comme ça, ne pas se fier aux forums
Hi there,
I know there are similar topics here and elsewhere, but they’re a few years old, and I need an up-to-date answer to make sure I don’t throw over 1000 € out the window. Thanks for your patience.
I’m planning a trip from France to Alberta/British Columbia, and I’m unsure about which bank card to use for the security deposit with the rental company (I’m thinking of going with AVIS).
I contacted Avis Canada, and they told me a credit card is absolutely required. I asked my bank for a credit card (a *real* credit card), but they only offered me a deferred debit card.
My question: For a rental with Avis Canada, is a Gold International Mastercard deferred debit card usable for the security deposit needed to finalize the rental? Is the "CREDIT" label enough? (Some cards say "CREDIT" and others say "CARTE DE CREDIT"—seems minor, but it’s actually a big deal in how the card works.)
I’ve seen conflicting info everywhere I look... My bank says it’s *usually* okay (the deferred debit card), while Avis Canada insists it *must* be a credit card, not debit—even when I mention the deferred debit card.
I know the whole credit card concept is already confusing, and on top of that, some sites say a deferred debit card counts as a credit card, while others say it doesn’t.
Thanks to anyone who can share a recent experience!
Have a great day
Hi there,
I’m heading to Senegal in January for a month and was wondering if I just need my French driver’s license or if I should get an international permit?
Thanks!
JL
Hi,
I’m bringing Seresta, an anxiolytic (tranquilizer) from the benzodiazepine family,
to help me sleep.
I’ll have the prescription with me.
Will this be a problem at customs, and do I need to declare it?
Same question for antibiotics?
Thanks a bunch!
I’m heading to Laos next spring, but I have a question about the Thai arrival/departure form. I’ll be flying PAR-BKK, then taking the train to Laos (so exiting Thailand), and later re-entering Thailand by train to catch my return flight. Do I need to fill out two forms in this case?
Hi there,
I have a 9-seater passenger vehicle that I use for my business in Paris, transporting people.
I’m planning to go to Algeria with my family.
The vehicle registration lists my company as the owner.
Can I get a TPD (Temporary Admission Document)?
Will I need a KBis extract or a power of attorney?!?
Thanks for your help.
Worst case, I can add my personal name as a co-owner on the registration, but that would be a real shame!
Hi,
I’m writing to ask for some info—I’ve heard that you **must** have travel insurance to land in Zanzibar.
What’s the process, and which insurance should I get?
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Best,
Seb
Hi, are there any travelers who’ve recently crossed the border between Karakalpakstan (Uzbekistan) and Beineu in Kazakhstan?
It was closed for a while.
Thanks for any info!
I bought a one-way flight (Ryanair) and a return flight (EasyJet) to spend a week in Morocco in April.
My passport expires 3 weeks after the return date.
Some websites say the passport must be valid for 3 months at the time of entry.
However, it will still be valid both on entry and return, but its validity will only be 1 month at the time of entry (and 3 weeks on the return date, everything prepaid).
It's an individual family trip.
The consulate can't give me an answer—they're still looking into it (really!)
Last year, we stayed for 3 months in Thailand, north of Khao Lak, and were able to benefit from the 2-month visa exemption, renewable for one month by going to Takua Pa to validate a 1-month extension (1,900 baht).
This year, it’s a disaster for us—not only were we planning a 4-month stay, adding a visa run in between (which some say is quite risky), but the law is apparently changing in the coming months with the return of the 1-month exemption (plus the usual 1-month option). So, we looked into applying for a 6-month multiple-entry visa, allowing a maximum of 60 consecutive days in Thailand. However, I can’t find anywhere the minimum time required outside Thailand between two stays—do any of you have an idea?
Thanks for the info! If you’d like tips on Khao Lak and the surrounding areas, we’ve got some experience, though things change fast!
Cheers,
Bruno.
My partner, our 8-year-old daughter, and I are going on vacation to Gex.
We’ve decided to spend one day in Switzerland and another in Italy. Will we need ID (national ID card or passport)? Do we also need ID for our daughter?
Hello,
We’ll soon be moving to Madagascar long-term.
As a French national, I need to obtain a short-stay visa that can be converted to a long-stay one. To do this, I have to send the required documents to the Madagascar embassy in Paris.
No issues with that procedure so far.
If I get this visa, once I arrive in Madagascar, I’ll need to provide the same documents to the Ministry of the Interior in Anosy. I’m trying to find an email address or website for the Ministry to check which documents I need to submit (I think they ask for additional ones).
If you have any info on this, I’d appreciate your replies.
Best regards,
M. Buisson Eric
I’d like to know if anyone has already applied for a private visa to Russia with an invitation from a Russian resident.
I traveled earlier this year with an e-visa, but since I want to stay longer, I’ll be visiting my friend who lives in eastern Russia.
For the visa application, does the invitation need to be on an official paper form issued by the Russian ministry? And most importantly, do I need to present the original for the application, or is there an electronic version that can be sent directly to the consulate in France?
Thanks for any info if you’ve gone through this process before!
I filled out the B2 form to apply for a visa, created an account on Atvis to pay the visa fees and schedule a meet-up, but every time I try to pay with my Boursobank Visa 1st card, they refuse the payment with a message telling me to check my details (address), even though everything is correct. Does anyone know why this is happening, or maybe they don’t accept Visa cards? Are you aware of this?
Thanks for your feedback!
Elisabeth
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted.
Is this real or just a hoax?
Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received.
Thanks everyone.
Hi there,
We need to apply for a B2 visa because we visited Iran in 2018. It currently costs $185, but they’re planning an additional $250 fee per person for the same visa—it’s been approved but not yet implemented. Does anyone know when this fee will take effect?
Thanks in advance!
Elisabeth
Hi there,
In November, we're heading off on a 4-month trip. We'll be landing in China and plan to leave the country via a land border into Vietnam.
I’ve read that China may ask for proof of exit within 30 days (flight ticket or other reservation). Since we’d be leaving by land, I’m wondering how this works in practice.
Has anyone here been in this situation recently?
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding?
Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival?
Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient?
Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Hi there,
Just a question that’s probably been asked before (though usually the other way around for my situation :))
My wife and I are heading to the US.
On her ticket, it only has her maiden name (e.g., Martine DUPOND).
On her passport, it’s written as Martine DUPOND épouse AVRY.
No issues for travel, I hope I did the right thing with the ticket?
Then for the ESTA, is just Martine DUPOND enough, or do I need to include the "épouse AVRY" part like on the passport?
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’m spending a few days in San Pedro de Atacama (Chile) and would like to cross the Argentine border to make a loop toward Salta and then return to Chile to drop off the rental car.
I’ve heard that crossing the border can be tricky!
Is it possible with a rental company’s authorization? Which company, and at what cost?
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Best regards,
Arnale
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month.
I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival?
How long do the formalities take on the spot?
Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Hi there,
My departure is slowly approaching, and now that I’ve got my Russian visa sorted, I’m fine-tuning the rest of my trip to Tajikistan. Since the Tajik visa is no longer required for stays under 30 days (for French nationals), I’ll need to visit the Ministry of Interior (OVIR) to register within 10 days of entering the country. No big deal, though, since I had to go there anyway to apply for my GBAO permit. 😉 However, I’ve *seen* several reports from travelers (mostly motorized) mentioning that you need an entry permit for Kyrgyzstan, which has to be arranged in advance at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) in Dushanbe. Otherwise, you’re *stuck* at the Kyzyl-Art border (with no Wi-Fi, of course, to try and sort it out). The most recent report was from a year ago, so I’d love to know if this is still the case and if it’s indeed at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) where you need to go for this pre-authorization.
Does anyone have any recent info on this?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone.
I’m leaving for almost 3 months in the Philippines (11 weeks total) starting in early May.
I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay.
If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand,
do I need to submit a new TDAC application?
Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window.
The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days.
2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date.
If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period.
In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th.
The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.