Location Hertz Houston - facturation abusive
by Caribou44
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Salut Jean-Louis ,
Non je n'ai pas de papier semblable . Tout ce que j'ai eu à la prise de la voiture est un papier 1/3 de la dimension du tiens ( même largeur mais 1/3 moins long si tu comprend , bref le premier tier d'une feuille ) qui mentionne les taux de ma réservations pour finir avec un total tel que que ma réservation par internet le mentionnais et que j'ai accepté .
Reste a voir si quelques temps après mon retour je ne recevrais pas une autre facture.
Je vais environ 3 réservations de voiture par année et je n'ai jamais eu de surprise .
Non je n'ai pas de papier semblable . Tout ce que j'ai eu à la prise de la voiture est un papier 1/3 de la dimension du tiens ( même largeur mais 1/3 moins long si tu comprend , bref le premier tier d'une feuille ) qui mentionne les taux de ma réservations pour finir avec un total tel que que ma réservation par internet le mentionnais et que j'ai accepté .
Reste a voir si quelques temps après mon retour je ne recevrais pas une autre facture.
Je vais environ 3 réservations de voiture par année et je n'ai jamais eu de surprise .
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
C'est le même imprimé que celui qui nous a été remis lors de nos dernières locations (avec validation sur la tablette).
Seule différence, pour les assurances 2 et 3 (personal accident et personal effects) il est écrit "declined" et your estimated total charge est de 0.00 (pour une location prépayée). Et toi tu as le total des assurances supplémentaires HT.
Néanmoins j'ai le sentiment d'un certain abus.
Nous avons eu un problème du même genre avec AVIS Houston. Nous avions réservé une intermédiaire (cat C). La personne nous dit : je vous donne une KIA Optima. Elle nous a tendu le papier (du temps des contrats papier) et mon mari a signé sans trop vérifier. Résultat : 400$ 🏴☠️ pour un surclassement non demandé (et que nous aurions refusé) de C à E. AVIS France a fini par nous rembourser la moitié au titre de geste commercial.
Seul point positif, ça t'apprend à relire ton contrat avant de signer.
Seule différence, pour les assurances 2 et 3 (personal accident et personal effects) il est écrit "declined" et your estimated total charge est de 0.00 (pour une location prépayée). Et toi tu as le total des assurances supplémentaires HT.
Néanmoins j'ai le sentiment d'un certain abus.
Nous avons eu un problème du même genre avec AVIS Houston. Nous avions réservé une intermédiaire (cat C). La personne nous dit : je vous donne une KIA Optima. Elle nous a tendu le papier (du temps des contrats papier) et mon mari a signé sans trop vérifier. Résultat : 400$ 🏴☠️ pour un surclassement non demandé (et que nous aurions refusé) de C à E. AVIS France a fini par nous rembourser la moitié au titre de geste commercial.
Seul point positif, ça t'apprend à relire ton contrat avant de signer.
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" Seul point positif, ça t'apprend à relire ton contrat avant de signer. "
Tout à fait.
Mais l'employée n'a rien demandé et soumet sans parole un papier que l'on peut penser implicitement conforme à la réservation, comme pour les locations précédentes.
Le parcours de procédures pour la location de voiture avec une grande compagnie est désormais semé d'embûches pour ne pas dire de pièges. C'est regrettable.
Moi j'ai loué à Orlando pas a Miami, donc c'est une autre agence , je verrais bien mercredi ou des semaines plus tard (?) si il y auras des frais d'ajoutés .
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Tu peux savoir tout de suite. C'est indiqué sur le papier remis avec les clés : " declined ou accepted "
Après avoir appelé Avis France qui m'a dit se renseigner auprès de leur confrère américain la semaine dernière, j'ai appelé Avis aux Etats-Unis hier en demandant à m'adresser à une personne parlant français. Celle-ci, (à l'accent québecois) très courtoise, m'a confirmé que depuis le 9 une procedure était en cours pour éclaircir ma situation. So wait and see ...
Celle-ci, (à l'accent québecois) très courtoise, m'a confirmé que depuis le 9 une procedure était en cours pour éclaircir ma situation. So wait and see ...
Nous avons eu un 2ème problème avec AVIS, à l'aéroport de Montréal.
Nous avons contacté le service client français ET le service client canadien par mail. Mais AVIS Canada n'avait pas de service client à l'époque..... Notre réclamation a été transmise au service client américain.
Et là, au 1er mail, nous avons vu la différence entre le service client français et le service client américain !!!!
Service client français : mail automatique, tout leur bla bla et en conclusion : en signant, vous avez accepté le supplément .- 😕
Le service américain nous a envoyé un n° de dossier par retour de mail + l'adresse mail d'un superviseur au cas où. Il s'agissait de 50$. 2 semaines après les 50$ étaient sur notre compte, avec leurs excuses. 😉
Nous avons eu un 2ème problème avec AVIS, à l'aéroport de Montréal.
Nous avons contacté le service client français ET le service client canadien par mail. Mais AVIS Canada n'avait pas de service client à l'époque..... Notre réclamation a été transmise au service client américain.
Et là, au 1er mail, nous avons vu la différence entre le service client français et le service client américain !!!!
Service client français : mail automatique, tout leur bla bla et en conclusion : en signant, vous avez accepté le supplément .- 😕
Le service américain nous a envoyé un n° de dossier par retour de mail + l'adresse mail d'un superviseur au cas où. Il s'agissait de 50$. 2 semaines après les 50$ étaient sur notre compte, avec leurs excuses. 😉
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Intéressant ...
Bien vu ! 😉
Conseils pour circuits dans l'Ouest américain : https://voyageforum.com/forum/conseils_etablir_son_circuit_dans_ouest_americain_resume_D5303777/
C'est une histoire qui s'est très bien terminée et à notre avantage. 😉
J'ai pour habitude, en cas de problème, de passer directement par le siège social.
AVIS US nous a donc remboursé les 50$ (50 CAD au départ) et AVIS France (Paris) nous a remboursé 50 Euros. En bon Français nous n'avons pas signalé l'erreur.
AVIS US nous a donc remboursé les 50$ (50 CAD au départ) et AVIS France (Paris) nous a remboursé 50 Euros. En bon Français nous n'avons pas signalé l'erreur.
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C'est la ligne la plus importante à regarder : (Estimated charges)

Ne pas hésiter à tout de suite demander, au guichet, à quoi ça correspond, après il sera (presque 😉) trop tard !

Ne pas hésiter à tout de suite demander, au guichet, à quoi ça correspond, après il sera (presque 😉) trop tard !
Conseils pour circuits dans l'Ouest américain : https://voyageforum.com/forum/conseils_etablir_son_circuit_dans_ouest_americain_resume_D5303777/
C'est la ligne la plus importante à regarder : (Estimated charges)

Ne pas hésiter à tout de suite demander, au guichet, à quoi ça correspond, après il sera (presque 😉) trop tard !
C'est le genre de papier que j'ai eu quand j'ai pris la voiture et ça correspond au contract rédigé lors de la réservation .
J'ai toujours eu ce genre de papier au départ et je fais 3 locations par an depuis quelques année aux États-Unis comme en Europe.

Ne pas hésiter à tout de suite demander, au guichet, à quoi ça correspond, après il sera (presque 😉) trop tard !
C'est le genre de papier que j'ai eu quand j'ai pris la voiture et ça correspond au contract rédigé lors de la réservation .
J'ai toujours eu ce genre de papier au départ et je fais 3 locations par an depuis quelques année aux États-Unis comme en Europe.
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Ne pas hésiter à tout de suite demander, au guichet, à quoi ça correspond,
après il sera (presque 😉) trop tard !
Dans le cas des 50$, c'était notre 2ème arnaque (on avait appris à lire les contrats entre temps), mais quand le gars te dit "pas de signature, pas de voiture....." et que la réservation est pré-payée, tu n'as pas tellement le choix. On a "accepté" le supplément et on a signé.
Dans le cas des 50$, c'était notre 2ème arnaque (on avait appris à lire les contrats entre temps), mais quand le gars te dit "pas de signature, pas de voiture....." et que la réservation est pré-payée, tu n'as pas tellement le choix. On a "accepté" le supplément et on a signé.
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Dans le cas des 50$, c'était notre 2ème arnaque (on avait appris à lire les contrats entre temps), mais quand le gars te dit "pas de signature, pas de voiture....." et que la réservation est pré-payée, tu n'as pas tellement le choix. On a "accepté" le supplément et on a signé.
Oui tu signes APRÈS avoir exigé d'enlever ce que tu n'avais pas demandé au départ . Point .
A moins que tu aies demandé sans t'en rendre compte ? Et le type ne voulais pas se taper les problèmes de refaire un contract par ta faute .......
Moi j'ai toujours une copie de ce que j'ai demandé / la réservation quand je me présente au comptoir. Il n'y a jamais eu de problème. Sinon on pourrais comparer et il y aurais risque de bagarre.....😏
Deuxième arnaque sur combien de locations ? Vous n'êtes vraiment pas chanceux ou vous remplissez mal les contracts .
Oui tu signes APRÈS avoir exigé d'enlever ce que tu n'avais pas demandé au départ . Point .
A moins que tu aies demandé sans t'en rendre compte ? Et le type ne voulais pas se taper les problèmes de refaire un contract par ta faute .......
Moi j'ai toujours une copie de ce que j'ai demandé / la réservation quand je me présente au comptoir. Il n'y a jamais eu de problème. Sinon on pourrais comparer et il y aurais risque de bagarre.....😏
Deuxième arnaque sur combien de locations ? Vous n'êtes vraiment pas chanceux ou vous remplissez mal les contracts .
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Oui Pierre. Mais le problème c'est que je ne m'en suis rendu compte seulement à mon retour. J'ai donc scanné ce document pour Avis. Merci pour ta réponse.
Oui Pierre. Mais le problème c'est que je ne m'en suis rendu compte seulement à mon retour. J'ai donc scanné ce document pour Avis. Merci pour ta réponse.
Dommage car c'est tout de suite à la réception qu'il faut regarder après c'est trop tard .
Comment justifier après votre retour que ce n'est pas ce que tu voulais ?
Dommage car c'est tout de suite à la réception qu'il faut regarder après c'est trop tard .
Comment justifier après votre retour que ce n'est pas ce que tu voulais ?
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
Deuxième arnaque sur combien de locations ? Vous n'êtes vraiment pas chanceux ou vous remplissez mal les contracts .
2 arnaques sur une quinzaine de locations aux Etats Unis et 3 au Canada, effectivement ça ne fait pas beaucoup.
Je ne sais pas si nous sommes moins chanceux que vous les Canadiens (les agents de comptoir sont peut-être persuadés que tous les Canadiens parlent anglais.....) mais nous avons eu affaire à certains agents particulièrement désagréables. Le pompon revenant à une petite vieille à AVIS SFO qui n'avait plus de midsize, mais qui ne voulait pas "lâcher" sa full size gratuitement. 1/4h à batailler pour avoir notre voiture : - vos bagages ne rentrent pas dans une midsize (1sac et 1 valise !!!) - Vous allez où ? A Seattle. Vous ne pouvez pas aller de SF à Seattle avec une midsize, il vous faut un SUV.... Elle a fini par "lâcher" son full size gratuitement au bout de 15 minutes.
Autre cas, toujours à AVIS SFO. Toujours pas de midsize... La fille nous a proposé un Van 7 places que nous avons refusé (2 personnes et 2 bagages). Là aussi longue discussion, le Van gratuitement ou tout autre véhicule avec un supplément !!!! Elle a fini par nous donner une Nissan Altima Hybrid pour 30$ TTC de plus. Je pense qu'elle voulait surtout avoir le dernier mot.
Tu fais quoi dans ces cas là ? Ou alors tu vas dire que ça aussi c'est réservé aux Français ?
Bon séjour en Floride.
2 arnaques sur une quinzaine de locations aux Etats Unis et 3 au Canada, effectivement ça ne fait pas beaucoup.
Je ne sais pas si nous sommes moins chanceux que vous les Canadiens (les agents de comptoir sont peut-être persuadés que tous les Canadiens parlent anglais.....) mais nous avons eu affaire à certains agents particulièrement désagréables. Le pompon revenant à une petite vieille à AVIS SFO qui n'avait plus de midsize, mais qui ne voulait pas "lâcher" sa full size gratuitement. 1/4h à batailler pour avoir notre voiture : - vos bagages ne rentrent pas dans une midsize (1sac et 1 valise !!!) - Vous allez où ? A Seattle. Vous ne pouvez pas aller de SF à Seattle avec une midsize, il vous faut un SUV.... Elle a fini par "lâcher" son full size gratuitement au bout de 15 minutes.
Autre cas, toujours à AVIS SFO. Toujours pas de midsize... La fille nous a proposé un Van 7 places que nous avons refusé (2 personnes et 2 bagages). Là aussi longue discussion, le Van gratuitement ou tout autre véhicule avec un supplément !!!! Elle a fini par nous donner une Nissan Altima Hybrid pour 30$ TTC de plus. Je pense qu'elle voulait surtout avoir le dernier mot.
Tu fais quoi dans ces cas là ? Ou alors tu vas dire que ça aussi c'est réservé aux Français ?
Bon séjour en Floride.
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Je ne sais pas quoi te répondre , ces locations ne ressemblent vraiment pas a ce que j'ai vécu. Je suis toujours arrivé au comptoir et les clefs de la voiture m'attendais presque.
Et surtout le personnel a toujours été gentil et comme la plupart de Québecois , je parle et comprend très mal l'anglais.
Et surtout le personnel a toujours été gentil et comme la plupart de Québecois , je parle et comprend très mal l'anglais.
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
La remarque de Michèle : " Je ne sais pas si nous sommes moins chanceux que vous les Canadiens (les agents de comptoir sont peut-être persuadés que tous les Canadiens parlent anglais.....) mais nous avons eu affaire à certains agents particulièrement désagréables. " vaut à un moindre degré pour notre dernière expérience de location décrite plus haut : aucun effort de courtoisie et surtout pour la première fois alors que j'étais en confiance dans cette agence, aucun dialogue lors de la remise des clés (ce que j'interprète après coup comme : sous-entendu " j'te soumets un doc dont tu n'comprends rien, j'te facture c'que j'veux pour faire mon beurre avec la com et casse-toi " ) . Mais cela m'a surpris de la part d'une grande compagnie et je reconnais pour le coup avoir été bien naïf et m'être fait avoir.
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I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
Hello.
I’d like to travel along I-15N from San Diego to Las Vegas with my mom, who’s 67. We’ve explored Northern California and the California Coast over the past two years and now want to continue through the desert.
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
Hi there,
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Hi there,
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here's a tip for future visitors!
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
Hi everyone,
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
Thanks for advising me on the booking—should I reserve a room in the hotel or go for a cabin for the best view?
Should I get breakfast or not?
What do you think of the restaurant?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
Hello,
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
Hi everyone.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!






