It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun
FR

Translated into English.

RA Ragamuffin Globetrotter ·
A "poor fisherman" (of fish) tending his vegetable garden, content with little, and appreciating the place, the peace, and the simplicity of his life, can also be happier than a millionaire who chains together purchases and trips but remains unsatisfied and always "greedy" for more😉

YouTube - Finir pêcheur Gérard Manset.wmv‏

and also

Gérard Manset - Un jour être pauvre
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Well, the word might be a bit strong (I unfortunately can't find another one), but I do think there's a certain indecency in the idea of this conversation.

That's just your opinion, not mine... In my view, the topic is very common—an idea that has crossed the minds of thousands, if not millions of people, so much so that an artist (Aznavour) made it the theme of his song! But maybe if we picked apart your posts about Russia, we'd find some indecent remarks...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
RA Ragamuffin Globetrotter ·
Oh! That’s a good one, bless her!
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
A "poor fisherman" (of fish) growing his vegetable garden,

Two jobs and undeclared on top of that, I suppose!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
BA Bardak Veteran ·
That’s a clever response.
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
After several years of making the most of every free moment to roam across Russia, covering kilometers of nearly deserted expanses, moving from cities to towns, villages to countryside, forests to mountains, rivers to steppes, sharing shashlik and vodka with people from all over... it never even crossed my mind to write a travel journal. And I didn’t. Probably because some things are lived far better than they’re told.

For an ordinary worker or an unemployed person who’s never been able to take a day off to escape their suburb—wouldn’t that be a bit indecent?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
Feeding your lack of argument by digging up an out-of-context message from Bardak that has nothing to do with the current discussion... What a dishonorable tactic!
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

We were just waiting for you to raise the level of this debate 🙂
Mes photos sur Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/153304262@N05/albums "Le Temps nous égare. Le Temps nous étreint. Le Temps nous est gare. Le Temps nous est train".
LE Lepiaf Globetrotter ·
After several years of making the most of every free moment to roam the far corners of Russia, covering kilometers of nearly deserted expanses, moving from city to city, village to village, countryside to forests, mountains to rivers, sharing shashlik and vodka with men and women from all over... it never occurred to me to write a travel journal. And I didn’t. Probably because some things are lived far better than they’re told.

For an ordinary worker or an unemployed person who’s never been able to take a day off to escape their suburb, wouldn’t that be a bit indecent?

Like kola, I think your attitude is pathetic
PélicanBrun Veteran ·
Hello,

Since I don’t think I’ve ever chatted with you on this site—or even remembered your username from a discussion—I don’t know if you’re one of the few troublemakers who lurk around this forum, just waiting for the slightest chance to derail a conversation!

So, I’ll assume you’re not one of them and answer:

What, honestly, have you found in this discussion so far that’s truly indecent???

Just the fact that we’re talking (without any malice) about poverty in our world and whether or not it might be relatively more bearable in the tropics?

If that’s all it is, then handle this discussion the same way you probably did during one of your trips to Russia, where for years now, extreme and indecent poverty has existed side by side with opulent and equally indecent wealth: "move along" and leave us be!

Do svidaniya !
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Like kola, I find your way of doing things pathetic

And I couldn’t care less about your moral lessons!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
Since I don’t think I’ve ever spoken with you on this site, nor even remembered your username from a discussion, I don’t know if you’re one of the few troublemakers who haunt this forum, just waiting for the slightest chance to derail a conversation!

What condescension...

approach this discussion the way you’ve certainly done during one of your trips to Russia, where for several years now, extreme and indecent poverty has existed side by side with opulent and equally indecent wealth:

Dubious insinuations that have nothing to do with the discussion... Your argumentative method is as vile as the one used by jalma...

"move along" and leave us alone!

If expressing an opinion shakes up your exchange a bit... "with no ill will" about "the poverty that fills our world," the discussion still doesn’t belong to you...
RA Ragamuffin Globetrotter ·
To lighten the mood a bit (what’s wrong with my face? what’s it got, my face? Do I have a face like an atmospheeeere?) and stay on theme 🤪

Coluche - misère.AVI‏ - YouTube
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
BA Bardak Veteran ·
Hello,

Since this is a public forum, I consider myself entitled to share my opinion on this topic, just like everyone else, even if that opinion is unpopular.

What bothers me isn’t discussing poverty. In fact, I’ve appreciated many of your contributions on this subject.

Reading this discussion, I simply felt a certain discomfort with the idea of ranking suffering. Who’s more miserable—the homeless person in Paris or someone living in a slum in South America?

That’s all that makes me uncomfortable. I’m sorry that instead of understanding it, you can’t even consider it and take it only as provocation (I do admit, though, that my first post was abrupt and lacking arguments, so it was unnecessary and could indeed be seen as provocative, even if that wasn’t my intention). I didn’t expect to trigger so much hostility just by expressing a bit of discomfort.

Anyway, I’ll leave you to it...
PélicanBrun Veteran ·
Then, and I think this is very important, it's above all social relationships that make the difference. Whether in a favela in Brazil or a slum in India, people never live alone or in isolation like they do in Europe.

On reflection, there's a lot of truth in what you're saying, and ultimately your ideas aren't that different from mine. For example, when I say that the "world of the destitute" is really just a microcosm of the "parallel world" that makes up the societal model of the country they live in?

Countries in the "Global South" (mostly tropical) are indeed known for having populations described as "solidarity-based," unlike those in the "North," which have extremely "individualistic" populations!

See you,
RA Ragamuffin Globetrotter ·
Oh! Isn’t it just a reminder!

Misère - Coluche‏ - YouTube
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Hey,

While I don’t appreciate the constant moral lectures some people throw my way, I *do* love humor—and Coluche’s in particular!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
You... shut your mouth at recess! 😛 http://www.youtube.com/...7ai+dix+ans&aq=f
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
That’s a clever response.

Maybe it’s not your kind of humor, but Jeddhai and I get each other—well, I hope so anyway...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
PélicanBrun Veteran ·
Hello (I remain polite even to those who show their teeth at me!)

Come on, kola! Having been on VF since 2007 and with over 2,300 posts under your belt, you can't expect me to believe you haven't noticed that quite a few people on this forum are specialists in provocation?

Not knowing "bardak" as well as she seems to know me (since she says she's appreciated some of my posts), I gave her the benefit of the doubt by responding!

I'm sorry, but you're completely wrong when you say that someone (in this case, our friend "bardak") who has been to Russia several times might not have seen extremely indecent things that are at the heart of the problem raised by this discussion!

I admit I may have been a bit clumsy in my last sentence: "move along and forget about us," and I apologize to "bardak" for that. I got a little worked up by the wording of her first post—my words must have outpaced my thoughts because, believe me, it's not in my nature to monopolize a discussion without listening to other participants' opinions!

Later,
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Hey,

I think we’re just exchanging perspectives, and no one really holds the absolute truth on this—it’s all about personal sensitivity, experiences, and what we’ve been through, you know? It’s kind of like debating whether heredity or social environment shapes a person; some lean toward heredity, others toward geography, social background, or family, but no one can claim to have the definitive answer... As for barging into a discussion after thirty-odd posts and calling it indecent—that really gets under my skin. Same goes for the buzzkills and know-it-alls in general!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
LE Lepiaf Globetrotter ·
The issue isn't what Bardak wrote in other discussions, but the fact of digging through what Bardak wrote elsewhere just to quote an excerpt with the sole purpose of discrediting her because the guy got upset by a post from the lady. The approach is pathetic, I’ll say it again—I now know what to expect from jalma.
PélicanBrun Veteran ·
I do admit, though, that my first post—curt and lacking any argument—was useless and could indeed be seen as provocative, even if that wasn’t my intention. I didn’t expect it to spark so much hostility just by expressing a certain discomfort.

Yeah, your first post was at the very least cutting and definitely set off some immediate reactions! 😉

But isn’t it said that "a fault confessed is half redressed"?

You’re making amends by acknowledging a bit of clumsiness in your words. Like I told "kola" earlier, I’m willing to do the same by removing the last sentence (also pretty clumsy!) from my reply: "move along and forget about us." Pretty worked up by your comments, my words went beyond what I actually thought!

It’s absolutely not like me to hijack a discussion by dismissively brushing aside others’ arguments!

I’m standing by the rest of what I said, though!

Later!
RA Ragamuffin Globetrotter ·
Sorry, but as far as I’m concerned, I’m clicking Stop following this thread
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
This conversation is surreal... and bordering on indecency...

I get that you might find this conversation surreal since we're talking about songs and weather—pretty light topics—but also about poverty, which is a much heavier subject, jumping from one thing to another.

As for the indecency, I think that word is a bit strong😐
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
Good evening 😇

Countries in the "Global South" (mostly tropical) are indeed known for having populations described as "solidary," unlike those in the "Global North," which have extremely "individualistic" populations!

I find this worldview a bit too idealistic🤪

Are all Westerners really awful egoists? Are people in the developing world all kind-hearted altruists?

What about the caste system? Slavery (it still exists...)? Forced mutilation (for begging, for example...)? Prostitution (Thais are the biggest clients in their own country...)?

I don’t think wealth is better distributed in the Global South at all. It’s often a matter of survival of the fittest, with India being the most striking example🙁
JE Jeddhai Regular ·
And for those who are struggling, all is not lost—or maybe everything is gained, who knows? ;)

Get some sunshine In the palm of your hands, A little bit of sunshine And go far away! Go with the wind, Follow your dream; Leave right now, Youth is short! There are paths Unknown to men, There are paths So airy! Don’t regret What you’re leaving behind. Look over there, The horizon is shining. Far, always farther, Go singing! The world belongs To those who have nothing.

Freedom - Maurice Carême
«Si tu ne trouves pas d'ami sage, prêt à cheminer avec toi, résolu, constant, marche seul, comme un roi après une conquête ou un éléphant dans la forêt.» Bouddha
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Are Westerners really all awful egoists? Are people in the developing world really all kind altruists?

Attila, you know that’s not what we mean, right! To sum it up very briefly: in Europe, we have a social system that partly relies on our taxes... it’s a plus, we know that! In the developing world, there’s no social system, but people, due to their psychology (it’d take ages to explain), live more collectively—that’s just how it is. I’d say they don’t even really choose it; they "react collectively." They don’t have retirement homes (though that’s starting to change), they’re less "prone" to depression and suicide than we are, and it rarely happens that they find a neighbor who’s been dead for ages because they were alone at home with no friends or family (that doesn’t exist in Africa!!). They’re not bothered by noise or music and take life more simply than Europeans—that’s what I meant. But if we were dropped into their world, we’d bring our own psychology and moods with us and couldn’t live like them, so it’s hard to compare objectively...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
PélicanBrun Veteran ·
Hello,

Are Westerners all awful egoists? Are people from the developing world all kind altruists?

It’s not that simple! And "jalma" (at least, I think so) and I never meant to "reduce" the conversation to that level!

The way this discussion is going has at least made me realize the limits a forum like this can reach! The context in which discussions usually take place (reading posts isn’t real-time, some participants only read parts of the messages and not the whole thread, or take sentences or snippets out of context, others act as provocateurs trying to derail the conversation, etc., etc.) makes it extremely difficult to present ideas and debate a "fairly heavy" topic that would deserve pages of writing or hours of discussion to be fully understood.

Since I can’t properly express the deeper meaning of my ideas (or maybe I just can’t do it) through this kind of system, this will be the last post I’ll make in this discussion!

Who knows, I might even decide to change how I use VF in the future! Maybe focus on much lighter topics or join other sections that are way less "headache-inducing"!

Like: What time does the "thingamajig" bus leave to get to "whatsit" station? What’s the temperature in Beijing in August? Where are the best restaurants in Hanoi? Where can you swim with turtles? Etc., etc.!!! 😏😏😏 I’ve noticed from the number of posts some people send (like: 2 posts in 4 years!) that some are much quicker to "take" than to "give"! Though, a huge number of posts (2,700 in 2 years) doesn’t necessarily mean they’re all really interesting!!! 😉

Let’s wrap up the conversation anyway:

What about the caste system? Slavery (it still exists...)? Forced mutilation (for begging, for example...)? Prostitution (Thais are the biggest clients in their own country...)?

I totally agree with that! 😉 Those are actually reasons why I boycott certain countries!

Adios!
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
The context in which discussions generally take place (reading posted messages isn't done in real time, some participants only read part of the messages and not the whole thread),

http://voyageforum.com/forum/vingt_quatre_messages_affiches_par_page_c_est_trop_peu_D4351175/
PélicanBrun Veteran ·
QED! 😏😏😏
CI Citipati Veteran ·
Well, there's some action going on here...😎

Just circling back to the discussion topic, a little anecdote.

I was in Nepal (like every year—yeah, I’m rich, handsome, all that jazz...), chatting with a Nepali friend about the country’s politics (an interesting topic but also totally hollow, since nothing really happens except childish election games and constant Maoist threats). We eventually got around to talking about our lives, the problems that come with them—financial and personal. I told him that in France, there’s something called Active Solidarity Income (RSA, you know?). I explained that it’s the government giving money to people who don’t have jobs, who are poor, etc. His eyes nearly popped out of his head: "400€!!! That’s amazing—you must live really well, you even get money without working!" (Okay, fair point—it doesn’t exist in Nepal.) Then I told him that even with 400€, people can’t afford an apartment in big cities and end up on the streets. He was stunned—how could someone be homeless with 400€ when in Nepal, 10€ gets you a one-room apartment? That’s when the surreal discussion started, comparing everything under the sun... rent, electricity, this, that, you name it...

After an hour of this, he admitted there were definitely advantages to living in Europe (better hygiene, running water, heating, services...), but life was way tougher than in Nepal. He hadn’t imagined things that way, and in my opinion, a lot of immigrants arriving in France don’t realize it either until they’re faced with it directly.

Anyway...

Is it better to be poor in Paris or Kathmandu? Clearly, without making a questionable comparison, life in Kathmandu would be simpler for many reasons. (you can eat for 10 NPR, build a makeshift shelter (like a tin shack in a slum) without worrying about the police (who don’t care), set up anywhere without taxes or fees, your survival depends on your motivation to find money, it’s easy to find odd jobs—even tough, poorly paid day labor, Buddhist and Hindu compassion, temple beggars are richer than middle-class Nepalis who work "honestly" (average salary = ~5000 NPR/50€ per month), you can start a shop or sell things on the street without paying taxes, it’s a kingdom of resourcefulness, etc.)

Of course, my comparison here is between Paris and Kathmandu... I can’t claim it’s the same everywhere. But climate (as jalma and others mentioned) is a key factor, followed by cultural and religious elements that play a huge role in the well-being and condition of the "poor."
ET Ete2008 Regular ·
We always peek into the neighbor’s garden, thinking the grass is greener. Envy—this very human trait—is rarely satisfied... but oh so persistent.
GI Giorgio13 Globetrotter ·
it's not the state that gives, it's those who are a little less poor. If you had told him that, his enthusiasm might not have been the same.

Well, there's some action here...😎

Just to get back to the topic of the discussion, a little anecdote.

I was in Nepal (like every year, yeah, I'm rich, handsome, all that...), chatting with a Nepali friend about the country's politics (an interesting topic but also completely hollow, since nothing happens except electoral childishness and perpetual Maoist threats). We ended up talking about our lives, the problems that come with them, both financially and personally. I told him that in France, there’s the Active Solidarity Income (RSA, you know) and explained that it’s the state that gives this to people who don’t have jobs, who are poor, etc. He looked at me with eyes as big as saucers, "400€!!! That’s amazing, you must live well, you even have money without working!" (Okay, he has a point—this doesn’t exist in Nepal). Then I told him that even with 400€, people can’t afford an apartment in big cities and end up on the streets. Shocked, he couldn’t understand how someone could be homeless with 400€, when in Nepal, with 10€, you can get a one-room apartment... And that’s when a surreal discussion started, comparing everything—rent, electricity, this, that, etc.

After an hour of talking about this, he admitted there were advantages to living in Europe (quality of life, running water, heating, services...) but that life was much harsher than in Nepal. He hadn’t imagined things that way, and in my opinion, many immigrants arriving in France don’t realize it either before facing it directly.

Anyway...

Is it better to be poor in Paris or Kathmandu? Clearly, without making a dubious comparison, life in Kathmandu would be simpler for many reasons. (ability to eat for 10 NPR, build a makeshift shelter (like a slum, in corrugated iron) without fearing the police (who don’t care), being able to settle anywhere without taxes, survival depending on motivation to find money, ease of finding odd jobs even if they’re tough and poorly paid by the day, Buddhist and Hindu compassion, temple beggars being richer than middle-class Nepalis who work "honestly" (average salary =~5000 NPR/50€ per month), ability to start a shop, sell things (on the street) without paying taxes, the kingdom of resourcefulness, etc.)

My comparison, of course, is based on the Paris/Kathmandu model... and I can’t claim it’s the same elsewhere... But the climate (as jalma and others mentioned) is a key factor, followed by cultural and religious elements that play a precious role in the well-being and condition of the "poor."
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
it's not the state that gives, it's those who are a little less poor. If you had told him that, his enthusiasm might not have been the same

I didn’t quite get that?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
GI Giorgio13 Globetrotter ·
Where do you get the RSA money from?
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
I still don’t get it! "Those who are less poor"?... In Buddhist or Hindu Asia, people give to sadhus (who aren’t exactly beggars) or to monks because it’s tradition, but to beggars—those who are truly poor—they don’t give any more than we do, probably even less... and there’s no welfare like RSA in Nepal either. And what "enthusiasm" are you talking about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
GI Giorgio13 Globetrotter ·
about the Nepalese enthusiasm for the French RSA
DO Dodonachos ·
😎 Hardship here or hardship there? It always depends on the "there"!

Anyway, I’m a 45-year-old Canadian, and I’m really starting to feel the hardship of winter... Here, you need everything in double for winter and summer—clothes, car, tires, etc...

So, I’m seriously thinking about spending winters down south, especially New Orleans, which I’ve visited three times in a year and a half, or even living there for a while. But first, I need to figure out how... because I don’t live on love and fresh air. But I think hardship would be easier for me down there. My take? Hardship can be pretty personal, right? Here, we don’t lack for anything—we even have too much—except for 8 months of warmth, and that’s my hardship. 😕

Donald
BO Boutakrout ·
Dear Donald, What is poverty? It’s neither the freezing cold of Canada nor the scorching heat of the Sahel. Poverty is rather living in rags and barefoot in an igloo. Poverty is wandering the dunes of a desert without water. But true poverty is the lack—or complete absence—of tools to fight the cold and the heat. And finally, true poverty is the lack of bread, water, fabric, medicine, books, roofs, freedom, dignity, and peace. This poverty is just as painful, whether in Greenland or the Gobi. So count yourself lucky, my friend—you who lack for nothing—be grateful to Canada, and keep visiting Louisiana.
Abder
LO Locosurf34 Veteran ·
In Béziers 😏
PA Pat01255 Regular ·
As has already been mentioned, associating happiness with the sun is like associating happiness with light and not necessarily with heat, because heat ≠ sun.

Contrary to what 90% of people think, not all hot countries are sunny, and likewise, not all sunny countries are systematically hot.

The Antarctic Plateau, for example, is ultra-sunny (hyper-arid climate) and yet it’s extremely cold there! But still, taking a sun cure—that is, a light cure—seems absurd in polar regions. At the Antarctic Vostok Station, the sun shines for an average of over 3,700 hours per year, making it one of the most favored areas in the world, alongside the Sahara and the Kalahari, among others.

On the other hand, the equatorial forests of Central/West Africa, Central/Latin America, etc., are very cloudy: the sun is notably absent there (< 1,600 hours per year). And yet, it seems hot there—even very hot, right?

In terms of sunshine, there’s a huge difference between living in Gabon (low sunshine) and Egypt (ultra-sunny). Yet both are hot countries.
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
Don't you have a friend who prefers humidity and the RAIN?
PA Pat01255 Regular ·
My girlfriend loves the sun—I really mean the sun, not necessarily the heat. She’s full of energy at 20°C with a big blue sky and no clouds, but she gets depressed at 38°C with a uniform gray, low sky.

Humidity and rain are everywhere in the tropics, just like clouds. But unlike "humid" temperate zones (where France is), in humid tropics, the constant heat makes up for the lack of natural light—which isn’t the case in England, for example.
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
At the Antarctic base of Vostok, the sun shines for an average of over 3,700 hours per year, making it one of the most favored areas in the world, alongside the Sahara and the Kalahari, among others.

Yeah, but nobody lives in Vostok except for penguins and a few scientists cooped up in their bubble. Same goes for the Tanezrouft or the Ténéré—hardly anyone lives there, if at all. So it’s clear you can’t live happily there despite the clear skies and beautiful sunshine of these "most favored areas in the world." Would you go live in either of those places? Not me! If I were forced into exile, instead of Vostok or Borj Moktar, I’d rather choose Gabon or the Amazon, even with the rain or cloudy skies! PS Anyway, thanks for this climatology lesson—I learned that Vostok is sunnier than Nice! 😏
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
PA Pat01255 Regular ·
You're right. I completely agree with you.

Plenty of sunshine doesn’t automatically equal happiness. Take the proof: the areas where the sun shines most consistently—deserts more or less centered on the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn—are essentially empty of people. That said, just because these areas are human deserts doesn’t mean the few people who live there are unhappy.

Honestly, living in the Sahara wouldn’t necessarily bother me, even if acclimating to such a harsh environment seems tough. Anyway, the Saharan climate, though often terribly hot, remains very healthy, especially thanks to that pure natural light that characterizes the world’s largest hot desert. These zones are the most favored in that respect.

The duration of effective sunshine is greater in Vostok than in Nice because it’s an ultra-arid climate, far from any misty coast, compared to a simple Mediterranean climate. The sky there is remarkably clear, just like across the entire Antarctic Plateau. Cold but sunny—it’s not incompatible, it exists! 😉
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Do you rejoice when a ray of sunshine appears?

Sorry, and at the risk of displeasing some, but for me, the arrival of rain makes me happy. Sunny days, in some ways, end up being dull and boring—it’s such a uniform atmosphere... what a joy to see cloudy layers in the sky.

And then, with a uniformly blue/sunny sky, well, you don’t feel time passing—since we’re existentially bound by time. (By the way, in French, the word *temps* refers to both the weather and time as a unit.)
PA Pat01255 Regular ·
Personally, I don’t get excited at all when a bit of sun peeks through an otherwise really cloudy sky. I’m totally happy only when the sky is a deep azure blue and the sun shines brightly without a single wisp of cirrus cloud in sight—just like it often is in the deserts 😉
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Hey Pat01255, I also love the desert so much—if I had to be reincarnated, it’d definitely be as a Tuareg (since I basically see myself as a nomad). The desert is obviously a whole different world—those almost infinite spaces (freedom, really).
PA Pat01255 Regular ·
Exactly like me! I get the feeling a lot of us on this forum share a real passion for the desert. It’s hard not to fall under its spell the moment you visit one. The vastness, the freedom, the stunning landscapes, the endlessness, the solitude, the purity—all of that doesn’t just *define* the desert, it’s the desert *as you experience it*.

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