The King of Thailand has died
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OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
(*) a thank you to Khun Obeo for this video.

Hello, As mentioned in the video info box on YT, the source is: matichon tv, which centralizes information from various media outlets.
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CH Charli120 Veteran ·
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Great minds think alike, it's infallible. For the rest, during this period of "national mourning," the faint echoes from the few Thais I know describe their daily life as "normal"—restaurants, boozy evenings, T-shirts in the colors of their favorite League I club, and lakorn-TV included. At least in the rare households of this "brutish" people equipped with electricity, screens, and internet. As it turns out, after paying the expected tribute to the passing of a historic figure, time hasn’t completely stopped. Its inhabitants aren’t all prostrate in tears, and it even seems that Thai life is driven by motivations and dynamics beyond the sole prescriptions instilled in them from birth. To such an extent that it seems utterly strange, but some of them didn’t wait for the first orders from the regent—or even those from Bhumibol’s successor—to know what they had to do. In fact, it’s even possible they think (crazy, right!) like people in many countries on the planet: not expecting anything from their so-called elites or a supposed political system change to improve their lot. On the other hand, I don’t have any Buddhist Thai friends who speak Latin (taught, unless I’m mistaken, at Chulalongkorn). Any translation ideas?🤪
FR Franklenfant Veteran ·
So accept Franky's PMs

Great minds think alike, it's infallible.

When you quote someone, you need the whole thing...

In full, it goes like this:

"Great minds think alike, and small minds talk about it."

The one I prefer is: "Speech (or writing) is silver, but silence is golden." 🏴‍☠️
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BA Barefoot Veteran ·
The one I prefer is: "speech (or the written word) is silver, but silence is golden"

It'd be great if you could put that into practice...😎
HM Hmh Globetrotter ·
When quoting someone, the quote should be complete...

In full, it reads as follows:

" Great minds think alike, and small minds talk about it "

LOL😄😄😄

great minds think alike "This expression dates back to the 19th century and comes from a letter Voltaire wrote to one of his many correspondents. Its original form was 'beautiful minds think alike.' Today, it has undergone a slight change but retains the same meaning with a touch of humor." HERE
"Quand l'injustice devient loi, la rébellion devient devoir. " Thomas Jefferson « Le doute est l’apanage des gens intelligents, les cons n’ont que des certitudes »               (Alain Leblay)
CH Charli120 Veteran ·
The one I prefer is: "Speech (or the written word) is silver, but silence is golden."

It’d be great if you could put that into practice...😎😇

Don’t waste your time: he was more into delivering letters than studying them. And quoting (or misquoting) Voltaire—a staunch monarchist—in this case is just laughable.😛
32 321 Veteran ·
Voltaire, monarchist convinced

You're kidding, right??? (Go on, scoot over to Wikipedia 😏).
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32 321 Veteran ·
I find locals' opinions far more relevant than those of hipsters or lefties

The ultimate insult... when you've run out of arguments. Seriously, we should invent a "Godwin point" equivalent specifically for using this phrase (already cheesy, even outdated, by the way) on forums...😏
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32 321 Veteran ·
Should we condemn or mock an entire people because of their rulers?

I haven’t condemned or mocked any population—I simply pointed out the disastrous consequences of the actions of an archaic (and, I’ll add, manipulative to the extreme) monarchy and, of course, its allies.
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CH Charli120 Veteran ·
Voltaire, staunch monarchist

You're joking, right???

Only with my friends. If your knowledge of Voltaire stops at his Boulevard, I get the rest.😎
BA Barefoot Veteran ·
The ultimate insult

I’m not sure about the word “insult,” and even less about “ultimate,” but it still cracks me up to see armchair revolutionaries reinventing the world without considering cultural differences or understanding the daily realities of the people whose domestic policies they denounce with such indignation.

For the record, Voltaire didn’t see democracy as an ideal—only a monarchical government could suit “large” countries. He admired the English parliamentary monarchy and praised Henry VI (see *La Henriade*—no Wikipedia, just a few lingering memories from my literature studies and the recollection of an excellent French teacher).
32 321 Veteran ·
Let’s keep it short—it’ll ruffle fewer feathers (who said "irritate"? 😏):

Reply #80
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32 321 Veteran ·
Same as above:

Reply #108
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OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
For info, Voltaire didn’t consider democracy an ideal; only a monarchic government could suit "great" countries. He admired the English parliamentary monarchy and praised Henry VI (see "La Henriade"—no Wikipedia, just remnants of my literary studies and the memory of an excellent French teacher).

Personally, since my studies chased me and I never caught up, Voltaire mostly reminds me of my commute when I was a slave to Paris starting in April '68. When I see what the armchair revolutionaries of that era have become, it stings a little. On the other hand, popular culture often speaks to me, including certain quotes like this one (J. Brel): They destroyed the Bastille And it didn’t change a thing They destroyed the Bastille When what we needed was love

Back to the topic—still in the realm of the popular—knowing Thai people lets you constantly discover new aspects of the culture. My sweetheart just explained a funeral rite I wasn’t familiar with: The son combs his deceased father’s hair to give him a good appearance for the living who come to pay their last respects And then, he breaks the comb in two because where his father is going, only inner beauty matters
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OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
Another little off-topic post (my incorrigible curiosity about differences) I’m hesitating to order this novel: In Laos, the Silent Repression by Anne-Sophie Gindroz http://www.gavroche-thailande.com/actualites/livres/105388-en-vente-ici-au-laos-la-repression-silencieuse-de-anne-sophie-gindroz

fractured communities

As a specialist on Laos and its minority groups, If you’ve read it, what do you think? Would you recommend it?

Have you experienced this reality yourselves? Unless you’ve already mentioned it in your travel journals, I admit I haven’t read everything yet
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32 321 Veteran ·
Hey everyone!

In Thailand, protests against the monarchy were unthinkable two years ago They are more openly and directly critical of the monarchy than their elders, the "Red Shirts" of 2010—who support them. Thai students have reignited a movement against the current political system and its values. "]Interview with researcher Eugénie Merieau.
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KR KrungthepKfé Regular ·
Has the King of Thailand died???
Quand on sait ce qu' on sait et qu' on a vu ce qu' on a vu, on a bien raison de penser ce qu 'on pense.
LA Langsuan Regular ·
The King of Thailand is dead ???

You were spot-on when you wrote "special" 😏 next to your occupation "expert consulting adviser"
32 321 Veteran ·
The King of Thailand has died ???

Yes, but don’t worry—he’s a hydra. Alas.
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SA Sawadeebaht Regular ·
The King of Thailand has died ???

With reincarnations, obviously you die several times. As a top-tier expert on the country, it’s absolutely shocking you weren’t aware :(
Toujours une fois. Au moins.
32 321 Veteran ·
Monarchies on the brink - Thailand’s Rama X: the throne cracks
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SA Sawadeebaht Regular ·
Hello,

I’d almost be mischievously tempted to ask if you’ve traveled to Thailand in the meantime.

Whether as a tourist or an expat, it’s clear that the topic of royalty isn’t a priority for Westerners—or for non-Thais in general, in my opinion. As for Thais themselves, and COVID certainly didn’t help, many are busy every day just trying to make ends meet and pay off loans, especially for their vehicles. Politics isn’t the first thing brought up in conversations, and even then, you’d need an advanced grasp of the language to discuss it.

A few scattered thoughts that come to mind: - In medieval Europe, royalty was considered divine right—meaning only God stood above the king, and the king ruled because it was God’s will. In Thailand, the royal status is at least on that level. - Thai law clearly defines lèse-majesté as a crime. Not only is it illegal to criticize the king, but also his family, and this can even extend to his pets. Ten years ago, a Swiss man—heavily intoxicated at the time—got the idea to vandalize posters of the king and his wife. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison. The sentence was halved only because he admitted guilt. The king did pardon him later, but spending time in a Thai prison, followed by deportation when you’re married to a Thai woman and have lived in the country for a decade… - It’s common for people who stay in Thailand for a while to develop a real fondness for its people. They have a spontaneity, kindness, and humor that’s rare in many other countries. It’s no surprise that many of us defend their faith, traditions, and the system they’ve built. Sure, some comments make it seem like certain people are *more royalist than the king himself*. Sometimes it’s a bit of naivety or sentimentality, other times it’s because they’ve adopted the country as their own. And what lessons can we really offer when we see how things are evolving back home? - This debate reminds me of discussions about boycotting airlines because they belong to nations that are supposedly plotting against us. In those debates, everyone’s right, and no one is. The only argument that seems hard to dispute is that those who choose to spend a large part of their lives in a country can’t—and shouldn’t—behave like its citizens. As many expats say, they’re just guests and shouldn’t meddle in political or even economic matters. In a way, it’s a sign of respect. - If you look into recent history, you’ll see that this king was behind many initiatives that benefited the population. I’m thinking of dams, local craft zones (OTOP—One Tambon, One Product), national parks, and generally helping Thailand enter the 20th century. He was also a calm, discreet man who made sure to be present, traveling the country and supporting victims of natural disasters. Several generations knew only this one king, and losing him felt like losing the father of the nation for all these reasons.

This topic once again highlights the culture clash. Sometimes, I think it’s best to keep these thoughts to yourself.
Toujours une fois. Au moins.

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