Six-week trip to Mexico
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Oaxaca – End of stay, miscellaneous

This city of Oaxaca and its region—we’re not the first to adore it. And given the current circumstances with that awful virus, I sure hope we won’t be the last either!

There’s so much to do and see here. We visited the Textile Museum on Miguel Hidalgo, just a few steps from the Zócalo. It’s free, nice, and not too big, but informative—essential for amateurs like us. Here’s a first photo showing what looks like a blanket to me. I really love the simplicity and elegance of the geometric patterns and colors, which I think are natural. 🙂 As a fun wall decoration, it reminds me of Turkmen tent hangings (the « ensi » and « kapunnuk »)—at least the ones over half a century old. Because what’s come more recently from Central Asia (and Iran), I’m sorry if I offend anyone, is often just mediocre compared to what was made in the past. Beyond the designs, colors (often garish), knot density (if it’s a rug), and the price, the main criterion for distinguishing beauty from the rest, I think, is the naturalness of the work and materials used—ugh, mass-produced factories and synthetic dyes! But of course, that comes at a cost.

For textile enthusiasts, the museum explains, among other things, the use of « maguey » fibers to weave « ixtle ». The photo shows an example of raw, undyed « ixtle ». « Maguey » is agave. It’s not just tequila or mezcal that’s made from this plant!

Not too far from the textiles, this elderly Zapotec woman at the entrance of the Mercado Benito Juárez impressed us with how quickly she crafted her baskets. Baskets of all sizes and varied patterns seemed to flow from her skilled hands. We bought two or three from her at very reasonable prices. Despite that, she seemed reluctant when I took a few photos. Indigenous people generally don’t like being photographed.

Oaxaca is a perfectly balanced city. Let me explain: it’s a big city with plenty to see, but you can easily explore it on foot. I’m not talking about the outskirts, of course. After spending over a week there, we still had so much left to discover. The basilica of Nuestra Señora de la Soledad was one of our last visits. The basilica dates back to the late 17th century. It’s Baroque. The exterior is quite massive, as is common for buildings in the region due to frequent earthquakes, yet it remains graceful. I particularly like the Latin cross planted in the forecourt. The centerpiece is the statue of the Virgin at the back: « Salve Reina de Oaxaca », « Hail, Queen of Oaxaca ». It’s a sacred place for devout Mexicans: the image of the Virgin Mary is said to have appeared in 1543… in a crate! What credulity! 😇 But hey, that was the era! The kicker is that at the entrance of the church, there’s a stone where they supposedly opened the famous crate containing the Virgin’s image.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if this isn’t where María Amparo Escandón got the inspiration for her book Santitos, the one I mentioned earlier, where I found that list of saints to pray to in certain situations. In this amusing little novel, the heroine sees the image of San Judas Tadeo appear in the greasy grime on her oven door! 😇

As we leave the basilica, night is about to fall. The basilica stands out against a backdrop of mountains and clouds in stunning colors. The cloud formations and mountains—we’re right in the middle of Carlos Castaneda’s fabrications. 😎😮

We’re slowly reaching the end of our stay in this wonderful city of Oaxaca. Alright, one last stroll around the cathedral, one last stop at one of the many stalls to find a little gift for a sister or girlfriend (cute blouses for 200 pesos), and finally, a view of our last hotel, right across from the Mercado Benito Juárez. It was basic but cheap and pretty nice—just a little disruptive at times with the joyful exuberance of the Mexican guests.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Puebla – Chalupas and Pozol - Flags

We’re taking the ADO bus to Puebla (350 km, 732 pesos for 2 people). Taxis cost us 60 pesos in Oaxaca and 81 pesos in Puebla—yes, I said 81 because we took one from the prepaid taxi stand inside Puebla’s bus station. They’re almost always available, and it’s really convenient. At least you don’t have to worry about safety since the taxis are registered and monitored.

The road from Oaxaca to Puebla? No problem at all, smooth as silk. Some nice scenery in the mountains between the states of Oaxaca and Puebla (Castaneda! Don Juan! Don Genaro! 😉).

We booked a pretty decent hotel for its reasonable price. It’s an old rustic-style house. The room is large and fairly comfortable, and it opens onto a patio, which is great for breakfast. And for a change, it’s quiet—no noisy guests here, and we’re shielded from the street by the massive stone walls of the house. We’re in a strategic location, in a lively part of the city between the market on Calle 3 Ote. and the Mercado Sapo. Plus, we’re only a 10-minute walk from the Zócalo and the cathedral.

Our first stop, guided by our stomachs, is the Zócalo, of course. The sides of the square are lined with beautiful arcades, and there are several restaurants. We have beers (1 liter each!) and eat some « chalupas ». The beer is okay (I’ve already commented on Mexican beers), but the « chalupas » are really good—it’s a discovery, 😛—and we get away with spending 200 pesos for two. You see, even in a fairly decent place, prices stay reasonable! 🙂

After eating, we cross the Zócalo. It’s a large square with great shade from exotic trees (who would’ve thought!). The beautiful fountain in the middle is working 😎: « In Mexico, there are always squares with lots of trees, lots of public benches, and especially lots of fountains that work well ». It’s been a while since I’ve hit you with one of those “in Mexico…” lines, huh! 😉

I’ll give you a photo of the end of Calle Cinco de Mayo on the Zócalo, with a beautiful building decorated with white moldings that stand out against the dark red facades. This street is very commercial and lively—worth exploring. We return from Avenida 2 Oeste to the Zócalo via the arcade of Ayuntamiento, which I think is the equivalent of city hall. There, I’m surprised by the flags hanging from a window. In the middle, of course, is the Mexican flag. On the left, I’m not entirely sure—maybe the Spanish flag? But the big surprise is the French flag proudly displayed on the right! It caught me off guard because—let’s open a history book—Puebla is one of the biggest symbols of Mexican resistance against the French aggression during the Second Empire under Napoleon III. The first battle, in 1862, ended in a defeat for the French troops led by a certain Charles Ferdinand Latrille, Count of Lorencez (described as an arrogant idiot in a movie I saw about this French “adventure”). However, Puebla was taken in 1863, and the French occupation of the city lasted a few years.

This “Intervention” certainly won’t be one of the proudest pages in our national history 🏴‍☠️😕 (we French). Despite these regrettable and painful events, it’s nice to see that Mexico maintains a positive attitude toward France. 🙂 At least, that’s the impression the symbolic act of flying the French flag here in Puebla gives me. But I’ll leave it to others more knowledgeable on the subject to elaborate.

Back to our stomachs: those « chalupas » were really just appetizers. So later, we venture into another restaurant that seems more local: the Pozolería Matamoros, located at the corner of Avenida Don Juan de Palafox y Mendoza and Calle 6 Norte. We head upstairs to a room that feels very “local” but is also clean. We each order a big bowl of pozol with a Sol. It’s an Indian soup made from boiled corn with thick slices of « rábanos », radishes. It’s not bad at all, and it’s filling. 😛 We pay our bill of 215 pesos and head back to the hotel because it’s been a long, entertaining day, and we’re beat now!
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
The French aggression during the Second Empire under Napoleon III. An initial battle in 1862 ended in defeat for the French troops, led by a certain Charles Ferdinand Latrille, Count of Lorencez (described as an arrogant idiot in a film I saw about this French "adventure"). However, Puebla was taken in 1863, and the French occupation of the city lasted a few years.

Hello Georges,

Actually, it wasn’t really an "aggression"... At the time, Mexico had an enormous debt with the USA, England, and France. The first two countries figured the Mexicans would never be able to repay it and wiped out the debt. But not France. Napoleon III sent the Legion and appointed Maximilian of Habsburg (cousin of Sissi) as governor of Mexico. This lasted 3 years.

Near Puebla is the village of CAMERONE, where the Legion suffered defeat against Mexicans ten times their number.

On your next trip to Mexico, don’t miss visiting QUERÉTARO, where Maximilian was arrested and executed by Benito Juárez. Mexico belonged to France for 3 years. 😛 And it’s to France we owe the famous mariachis. 😎
On met longtemps à devenir jeune...
MI Michant Veteran ·
Hi Francis,

I read in one of your many posts about some high-quality hotels you recommended in Querétaro and/or San Miguel de Allende. But I can’t seem to find it again. Could you please share those addresses with me once more?

Thanks! 🙂
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Actually, it wasn't really an 'aggression'... At the time, Mexico had an enormous debt with the USA, England, and France. The first two countries figured the Mexicans would never be able to repay and wiped out the debt... But not France. Napoleon III then sent the Legion and appointed Maximilian of Habsburg (Cousin of Sissi) as governor of Mexico...

During your next trip to Mexico, you shouldn't miss visiting QUERÉTARO, where Maximilian was arrested and executed by Benito Juárez... ... And it's thanks to France that we have the famous mariachis.😎

Hmm, the word 'aggression' might be a bit strong, but I'd be curious to know how Mexicans see it. From what I've gathered after some reading, there was quite a scheme on Napoleon III's part behind all this. And he had found a good pretext to get involved. What follows, I pieced together from a few Wikipedia pages, and sure, Wikipedia isn't always objective. But overall, it doesn't sound very 'correct' regarding France's role.

Since gaining independence from Spain, Mexico had been plagued by instability that financially drained the country. Mexican President Juárez acknowledged that Mexico owed 70 million pesos to England, 9 million to Spain, and 3 million to France. With Mexico's coffers empty, Juárez decided in July 1861 to suspend foreign debt payments for two years.

This was a golden opportunity for a powerful country like France to install a regime under its control and reap the benefits. According to Napoleon III, the solution was to put an end to the political disorder and establish an Empire.

By choosing an Austrian prince, Maximilian of Austria (from the Habsburg family, Viceroy of Lombardy-Venetia), Napoleon III diplomatically compensated for his recent involvement in Italy. He had indeed supported Italian national movements against the Austrian Empire, which allowed him to annex the County of Nice and Savoy. After several military clashes (Magenta, Solferino), he forced Austria to cede Lombardy. But these Italian outcomes weren't very satisfying: on one hand, Italy, which owed him a lot, remained a weak and emerging state; on the other, he had alienated the Austrian and Prussian powers. You can see how the plan 'Maximilian of Austria installed by France as Emperor of Mexico' could fix everything for Napoleon III:

1) He would get back in Austria's good graces. 2) Once order was restored in Mexico, progress would follow, and Mexico would become the first industrialized country in Latin America and a prime destination for future European emigrants. 3) This plan could counterbalance the power of the United States in America by creating a Catholic Empire allied with France.

The geopolitical conditions were excellent in 1861: Mexico's debts and the attitude of Juárez's liberal government provided perfect pretexts for a 'legitimate' French intervention. Moreover, there was no need to worry about American intervention, as the U.S. was busy with the Civil War raging at the time.

A Belgian legion of 4,000 men accompanied the French. The future Empress Charlotte, Maximilian's wife, was the daughter of King Leopold I of Belgium. He thus wanted to participate in the expedition, both for family reasons and because he harbored colonial expansion hopes, as proven by a Belgian settlement attempt in Colombia. Charlotte was also a princess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and Duchess of Saxe, granddaughter of King Louis-Philippe I of France on her mother's side, and cousin of Queen Victoria. Quite the pedigree!

The English and Spanish expeditionary forces, which had initially joined the French, abandoned the venture and left Mexico in April 1862, leaving the French (and Belgians) alone in their Mexican adventure. You might wonder why the Spanish and English, to whom Mexico owed much more than to France, dropped out while France persisted. This clearly indicates that, for France, there were other reasons besides the financial debt.

I've been to Querétaro. Lovely city. I didn't know mariachis resulted from French influence. At least France left something nice in Mexico!
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
Hi,

For years I traveled around Mexico in a camper van, so I never had to worry about accommodation. Since 2011, I’ve been exploring Mexico by car, but I’ve never stayed overnight in Querétaro... However, there are at least two great hotels in San Miguel: Hotel Las Minas (expensive but fabulous) and Imperio de Angeles—cheaper but just as nice. Generally, hotels in San Miguel are pricier than elsewhere (lots of tourists and Canadian/American residents).
On met longtemps à devenir jeune...
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
I didn’t know that mariachis were the result of French influence. At least France left something nice in Mexico!

From what I’ve been told (I don’t check Wikipedia): The French used to throw big parties at weddings and had a habit of inviting musicians. Mariachi might be a distortion of the word mariage…?
On met longtemps à devenir jeune...
MI Michant Veteran ·
Thanks for the reply! 🙂 I knew you’d traveled around Mexico in a camper van, just like we did in Europe over 25 years ago. I found another address you’d recommended: Hacienda Taboada (Aguas Tzermales) near San Miguel. Starting from Querétaro, I’m planning a trip through the Sierra de Gorda and the Huasteca Potosina, all the way to San Luis Potosí in at least a week. I’ll probably have to bite the bullet and rent a car! 😐

Best,

Michel
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
The French used to organize big parties at weddings and would invite musicians. Mariachi might be a distortion of the word mariage...?

That theory’s been debunked since it’s been proven the term was in use long before the French arrived. That’s what I read—I could be wrong!
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
Hi,

I got back from my winter stay in Mexico on March 25th after spending 3 days in the HUESTECA POTOSINA. I’ll save that for another post so I don’t clutter up Georges’ amazing travel journal. 😛
On met longtemps à devenir jeune...
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
The French used to organize big celebrations at weddings and would often invite musicians. Mariachi might be a distortion of the word mariage...?

This theory has been debunked since it was proven that the term was in use long before the French arrived. That’s what I read—I could be wrong!

It’s totally plausible—I’ve never really looked into it.😎
On met longtemps à devenir jeune...
MI Michant Veteran ·
The French used to organize big parties at weddings and would invite musicians. Mariachi might be a distortion of the word "mariage" (wedding)..?

The theory has been debunked since it was proven that the term was in use long before the French arrived. That’s what I read—I could be wrong!

That’s exactly what you can read here: "Le mariage, a mythical etymology" https://www.proceso.com.mx/290349/290349-el-mariage-un-mito-etimologico

Myths persist, repeated by travel guides and the French Wikipedia, which contradicts the Spanish version. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariachi
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Myths persist, perpetuated by travel guides…

We should make a list of all these myths spread for tourists, giving them the illusion of “understanding the country better” and adding extra depth to their trips. Because that illusion—that “extra depth”—makes people want to travel more, which fuels tourism. And where does that lead? Revenue, of course, but for whom?

I think I’ll start a discussion about this. I don’t think it’s been done before.

@Memphre: Would you mind if I quoted you if I start this thread, without using your name or username?
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
No problem at all—make yourself at home! 😛
On met longtemps à devenir jeune...
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
No problem at all… make yourself at home…😛

Awesome 🙂. I’ll get started in the next few days. Lockdown (thanks, virus) is pushing us to get creative and use our imagination!
MI Michant Veteran ·
I think I’m going to start a discussion about this. I don’t think it’s been done yet.

In "Travelers’ Thoughts and Reflections"? Oh boy, you’re stepping into a minefield! 🏴‍☠️ Good luck! [;]
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
I think I’m going to start a discussion about this. I don’t think it’s been done before.

In "Travelers’ Thoughts and Reflections"? Oh boy! You’re stepping into a minefield! 🏴‍☠️ Good luck! 😉

I know, but it won’t be the first time I’ve faced the meanness, hostility, and stupidity of some forum users!
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Puebla – Markets and Hats

The streets in our neighborhood are charming, full of color and life. Bars, restaurants, shops—there’s everything. And then there’s the buzz, like that flamenco guitarist on the corner. Just a quick note: it *is* nice to listen to—and we’ve seen a few like him in Mexico—but it’s nothing like what you’d find in Andalusia! The same goes for the guitars: “in Mexico, you find guitar makers everywhere,” but I’m still waiting to see an instrument that matches the quality of Spanish guitars.

We arrive at the Plazuela de los Sapos, the “Square of the Toads.” There’s at least one toad here, decorating this fountain (“in Mexico, tra-la-la…”). There’s a flea market here, and it’s as friendly as can be—full of all kinds of bric-a-brac. The stalls are beautifully displayed, and we’re smitten with almost everything. 😎 Click, click, click—I take tons of photos. I’ll just share a small selection with you.

We cross the market, heading down Calle 6 Sur. On our left, a French restaurant called “Le Crapaud”—frog legs Provençal are probably on the menu? At the end of the street, across from us on Avenida 7 Oeste, there’s a stunning house with a façade reminiscent of Portugal’s azulejos. 😎 But I find this more interesting—the mix of red bricks and blue-and-white tiles, arranged diagonally instead of just horizontally and vertically. A unique twist on a style with Moorish origins, which might even trace back further (Iran, Central Asia)—we’ll never know who influenced whom.

We head back to Calle 3 Oeste, which leads straight to the Zócalo. There’s another market here, offering all sorts of interesting things. Two adorable Indigenous girls (I love their eyes and hair, so Asian-looking 🙂) sell colorful trinkets, including these “lazos” for hats—a kind of macramé. There’s a hat just begging for that kind of decoration. It’s the brown hat she bought in Teotihuacán, the one I placed on the Indigenous girls’ stall, adorned with the “lazo” she just picked out. See? It’s easy to find great hats in Mexico! These are the kinds of hats most Mexican women wear when they’re traveling in their own country. No need to wear “ridiculous” hats!
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Puebla – Cathedral

Today, we’re heading to the cathedral. Its two towers, the tallest in Mexico, stand right next to the Zócalo. The cathedral was founded in the late 16th century but completely renovated in the 17th century. Its facades, built from dark limestone, are impressive. I don’t have enough distance to capture the whole thing with my little camera, but I think my photos will give you a small idea.

The interior—there’d be pages to write about the interior! It’s stunning. From the entrance, we’re blown away by the massive wooden doors, cypress I think. They’re richly crafted with geometric panels that immediately remind us of what Spain inherited from the Moors and, of course, brought to Mexico. Magnificent. Imposing. 😎

It’s Baroque, so it’s quite ornate in terms of decoration, like this side door (closed) that leads to the choir and the organ: intricate colonnades and lintels, a wooden door with complicated panels, gilding, etc. Some might find it over the top. We think it’s magnificent.

We enter the nave and are blown away once again. The tall gray stone columns rise toward a multitude of domes. Several oculi generously let in daylight. The space is punctuated by massive, gilded candelabras. Despite all the decorative complexity, the whole thing is balanced and manages to convey a certain sobriety. I know some will disagree with that, but balance isn’t the same for everyone. It’s a bit like soup, right? Some like it lightly salted, others prefer it well-seasoned—never mind the pepper, chili, etc. you can add!

It’s Sunday, and a mass is being held, nearing its end. The Archbishop of Puebla heads toward an exit in a proper procession and generously sprinkles the congregation with holy water as he passes—Y and I even get a little shower ourselves. 🙂😉 The archbishop is a very smiling man; you can feel his kindness. He speaks to several people along the way. My Catholic upbringing helps me understand the emotion of the people, even if I’ve moved past the stage of blind faith (that’s an understatement). As for Y, being Buddhist, she’s open to anything that even remotely resembles religiosity. She’s in seventh heaven 😉 and doesn’t forget to join her hands (a Thai “wâi”) and cross herself when the drops fall from his aspergillum.

After these intense moments in the cathedral, we have the rest of the day to stroll through this magnificent city. Y tells me it’s her favorite so far. That says it all!
MI Michant Veteran ·
The metaphor of soup to describe the Baroque—you’ve got to be bold! 😎😎😎

The archbishop of Puebla heads toward an exit in a grand procession and generously sprinkles the congregation with holy water along the way—Y and I even got a little shower ourselves

I don’t think he’d pull that stunt today! 🏴‍☠️
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Puebla – Houses and Churches

A few more photos to show Puebla: - 1) Avenida Don Juan de Palafox y Mendoza: a beautiful door and a lovely façade made of tiles. This is the "talavera" style typical of Puebla. - 2) Close-up of these red terracotta tiles that nicely frame smaller tiles with floral patterns—a reminder of what you find in Spain (or Portugal). - 3) A balcony topped with a striking pediment in exquisite pastel colors. I can’t remember where I took this photo, but it’s in the historic center. - 4) The towers of "La Compañia Templo del Espíritu Santo," at the corner of Calle 4 Sur and Avenida Don Juan de Palafox y Mendoza. Impressive, right? - 5) Details of the white stucco moldings on a dark red background. - 6) The interior of this church. Baroque style similar to what I described for the cathedral. There must be differences, but I’m no expert, and the impression remains the same: it’s beautiful.

- 7) A "talavera" porch somewhere on Calle Cinco de Mayo, if I remember correctly. - 8) Finally, there are tons of churches in Puebla, and almost all of them are worth a quick visit. But if there’s one you absolutely must see, it’s the church of Santo Domingo on Calle Cinco de Mayo. Built by the Dominican order in the late 16th century, I won’t go into another detailed description. It’s baroque, it’s beautiful. First photo taken from the entrance.

- 9) Second photo: the altar topped with a mind-boggling scaffolding of saint statues. Maybe not all the saints in creation are there, but it’s quite the gathering already! - 10) Third photo: a magnificent pulpit. In white marble, I think, enhanced with deep blue geometric patterns that are vaguely floral. So classy! The Moorish influence is obvious—it’s quite reminiscent of Turkish baths and hammams from the Muslim world. - 11) Finally, still in this church, we come to what has sometimes been considered the 8th wonder of the world, nothing less: the Chapel of the Virgin of the Rosary. A 17th-century masterpiece—the culmination of New Hispanic Baroque. It’s spectacular, with gilded stucco everywhere. Depending on your religious orientation, you’ll either be deeply moved or completely overwhelmed! 😎😇😮

- 12) The last photo: the chapel’s dome. No need for additional comments.

Y and I left this last church feeling pretty shaken by everything we’d seen. Maybe not completely overwhelmed, but hey, time for the nearest watering hole—it’s margarita o’clock! 😉😛
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Puebla – A few random steps

We only spent 2 days in Puebla, but what memories!

Our little breakfast served at the hotel, on our small patio, by the owner himself—a very friendly guy—wasn’t very filling, which is often the case in Mexico. So, we headed out for breakfast on the first day at Café Milagros on Calle 6 Sur. The interior is richly decorated in a very Mexican style, bursting with color—just take a look at this photo I took with my phone. On the menu, a skull invites us to “satisfy our heart” (“para un corazón contento”). 😉

By chance, we stumbled upon the Mercado de artesanías El Parián, in an alley parallel to Calle 6 Norte. Nice little market, maybe a bit touristy, but you can find all sorts of things that might catch your eye—clothes, bags, belts, etc. (photo). A few steps further, we came across a lively square full of cafés, another tempting spot, then the plaza of the Teatro Principal, where I took a photo of this beautiful fountain (another one!).

It started to get dark, and I hit the photo limit on my phone. The theater is that beautiful ochre-yellow building. This whole area seems to be mostly frequented by young people. Puebla is known for its student population.

It’s a great place to live. 🙂
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Puebla – A cultural breakfast

The morning of our departure for our next stop, Cholula, we have a second breakfast at Casa del Mendrugo. It’s a café on Calle 4 Sur that we stumbled upon by chance. It’s a house built in the 16th century by the Jesuits and funded by alms, hence its name ("mendrugos" = "limosnas" or "alms").

It’s much more than just a café—it’s "the space where History, Art, Music, and Gastronomy vibrate in harmony." Quite the program! And then: "the cultural expression of the testimonies of past generations that blend with the current era and culture." I translate "testimonio" as "testimony," but I think it leans more toward "relics" or "vestiges."

Food comes first for us since we’re hungry! There’s plenty to choose from—just look at my plate: some beautifully presented chilaquiles (I think). And a cup of good coffee to go with it. 😛 Someone must’ve eaten something else too because the bill came to 290 pesos—way too expensive for just one person.

The room isn’t ordinary; it feels like what someone with great taste might set up at home. The walls are lined with shelves full of all sorts of knick-knacks. It’s nice—easy on the eyes. 🙂

When it’s time to pay, the young woman at the counter tells us we should check out "the museum" deeper inside the building. Free for us since we’re customers. Another pleasant surprise: it’s a real museum (with rooms for art workshops and lectures too). Since death holds a central place in Mexican culture, the first room is dedicated to it—so here we go again with another collection of skulls. We were starting to miss them! 😉

After a few weeks in Mexico, you’d think we’d have seen them all. But no, there’s always more to discover! We come across what I consider the museum’s masterpieces: engraved skulls. Yes!

Take the skull of the Lord "Word of Death." This skull comes from the Oaxaca region and dates back to the Postclassic period (900–1521 CE). Three photos: the whole skull; a close-up of the engraving; and once "unfolded," the engraving reveals a warrior (the colors are, of course, an interpretation). There are several objects like this, but one example should be enough. This Mexican fascination with death… Intriguing, isn’t it? And fascinating, right? 😇 😮

We’re full—both physically and culturally—after our visit to Casa del Mendrugo. Time to "grab our things" and head to our next stop, Cholula.

I know I’m repeating myself, but we really loved Puebla. 😎🙂 And we only scratched the surface. We probably only "tried" a third or a quarter of the historic center, which itself is just a tiny part of this city of 1.5 million people (double that for the metro area).

That’s all for today. Hasta luego, amigos!

PS: The phrase "Hasta la vista!" is a gringo invention. It’s a myth! 😉
ME Memphre Globetrotter ·
NB: The phrase "Hasta la vista!" is a gringo invention. It's a myth! 😉

y "Hasta la próxima" too. 😛

PS: Reading your story, I realize I didn’t see much of Puebla… Guess I’ll have to go back otra vez.
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AQ Aquilegia Globetrotter ·
I mentioned the "Sol". Along with the well-known "Corona" (not the virus!), these are my favorite beers in Mexico. They’re refreshing. 😛 I tried a few others but never found a truly excellent beer (I had the same experience in Colombia). However, I’ll give an exceptional mention to the "Indio" beer, first for its name, and for this special edition "Bienvenidos – Edición Muertos" which I find quite amusing

Actually, you can find more and more craft beers in Mexico, especially in Oaxaca. I’d already had an excellent beer from Tierra Blanca at a great restaurant (Zandunga) in Oaxaca. But before my last trip to Oaxaca in January this year, I Googled a bit and found several good sites about craft beers in Oaxaca. Thanks to those, I discovered a small bar near my accommodation that was the Oaxaca Brewing Company. Every day there were 5 different beers on tap. The bar is tiny, but the vibe and welcome are excellent.

Among the industrial beers, I like Sol, Montejo, Tecate, and Indio.

http://cervezatierrablanca.com/ (Spanish)

https://slightnorth.com/craft-beer-in-oaxaca/ (English)
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
I mentioned the "Sol". Along with the well-known "Corona" (not the virus!), these are my favorite beers in Mexico. They’re refreshing. 😛 I tried a few others but never found a truly excellent beer (I had the same experience in Colombia). I’ll give an exceptional mention to the "Indio" beer, though—first for its name, and then for that special edition "Bienvenidos – Edición Muertos" which I found pretty quirky.

Actually, craft beers are becoming more and more common in Mexico, especially in Oaxaca. I’d already tried an excellent beer from Tierra Blanca at a great restaurant (Zandunga) in Oaxaca. But before my last trip to Oaxaca in January this year, I did a little Googling and found several good sites about craft beers in Oaxaca. Thanks to those, I discovered a small bar near my place called Oaxaca Brewing Company. Every day there were 5 different beers on tap. The bar’s tiny, but the vibe and hospitality are excellent.

Among the industrial beers, I like Sol, Montejo, Tecate, and Indio.

http://cervezatierrablanca.com/ (Spanish)

https://slightnorth.com/craft-beer-in-oaxaca/ (English)

Craft beers have spread like wildfire over the last, what, 20 years? In Bangkok, you can find excellent microbrewery beers, and they’ve been around for quite a while (though the industrial beers in Thailand are pretty mediocre, to be honest).

Yeah, we really enjoyed the Sol (a bit like Corona) and also the Indio (see photo above). I’m not familiar with the others you mentioned.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Cholula – Sword and Crosier

We took a taxi to Cholula. It’s not far, just a dozen kilometers from Puebla, and it only cost us 120 pesos, a steal. We arrived in late morning and, despite the hearty second breakfast we had at the Casa del Mendrugo, we were already hungry. We dropped our things at the hotel and set off right away to explore Cholula.

It’s a small town that’s very easy to get around on foot. Everything is just a few hundred meters away. We naturally headed toward the Zócalo. On the east side, we came across a large religious complex, the Franciscan convent of Saint Gabriel. Construction began as early as 1540, even before the Spanish arrived in Tenochtitlan (Mexico City). The Spanish didn’t mess around—they razed indigenous monuments to build their churches. Here, it was a temple dedicated to Quetzalcoatl, the famous Feathered Serpent, that fell victim to their excessive religious zeal—one-sided religious zeal, of course, that of the conquerors.

First, there’s a chapel, the Capilla Real de Naturales. If you’re thinking “small” when you hear “chapel,” think again—this one is huge. Its massive, severe walls of black-gray volcanic stone are barely softened by cream-colored battlements. In fact, the building was almost completely rebuilt in the late 18th century. The interior is quite sober. The arrangement of columns and domes curiously resembles the style of a mosque. You might think of the Mezquita in Córdoba, for example.

Next, we arrive at the Chapel of the Third Order. Wow, the Spanish were really creative with names like that! A long cream-colored façade—already less austere. In a more distinctly Baroque style, check out the photo of the interior. The morbid obsession of Spanish Catholicism offers us a Jesus crowned with thorns, lying down but covered in a purple and gold cape.

Under the arches of the façade, now heading toward the main building, we find a dedication to the Virgin made of azulejo-style tiles. The message is quite striking:

"Most Holy Virgin of Guadalupe, receive the crown that Cholula offers you, you the Queen of Labor. Defend it (Cholula) from the communist peril and preserve its Catholic faith." All signed by a dozen or so personalities, etc.

You might think this kind of proclamation reflects a bygone era—it dates from 1955—but something tells me maybe not. If I’m not mistaken, Latin America still has traces of the "Holy Alliance of the sword and the crosier." ¾ 🤪😇

Finally, here we are at the Church of Saint Gabriel, adjacent to the convent proper. I’ll just show you the entrance, topped by a single tower. In the background on the left is the Chapel of the Third Order we just visited. And no, that’s enough, I’m not going to tell you about this church! It’s all very nice, but let’s not forget our primary mission: finding something to eat. We finally reach the Zócalo. We walk around it without lingering and head to the other side. With any luck, it’ll be less religious and more down-to-earth!
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Cholula – Colors – Page of History

On the other side of the Zócalo, there are several cafés and restaurants under arches freshly repainted in a brownish-red color (they were seafoam blue a few years earlier). My photo shows the parish of San Pedro in the background, a 17th- and 18th-century church. We don’t go inside—we’ve had our fill of churches for the day! We just enjoy the graphic design of its white walls punctuated by windows with brownish-red frames and topped by a tower in the same colors. The colors are fresh, too, because the church was a bright carrot yellow not so long ago.

A few steps further down Avenida Miguel Hidalgo, we stumble upon a restaurant that seems pretty nice, Casa de Frida Kahlo. The interior is a beautifully decorated courtyard. Flower pots surround a fountain from which not a single drop flows—a rare phenomenon in this country. A sort of flower bed makes for an amusing Japan-Mexico fusion: Japan is represented by a small pebble garden, while Mexico is a collection of brightly colored skulls (surprise, surprise). The staff, young and very smiley, and quite curious too, don’t miss the chance to strike up a good conversation with us. We eat some delicious arracheras. The meal plus drinks comes to the astronomical sum of 600 pesos—over 25 € for two, we’re splurging!

We pass by the Zócalo again, but this time we really cross it. This leads us to discover an outdoor photographic exhibition on a burning historical theme in Mexico: colonial aggression. A panel immediately gives us the gist (photo):

“To the 500 years since the desecration until our wisdom”

With these stirring words: “They tore off our fruits They cut our branches They burned our trunk But they could not kill our roots”

This is clearly about the deep wound still felt today by Mexico’s Indigenous peoples. Photos of a man in a warrior costume express the pride of these people.

Cholula was a sacred place for Mexicans. This city was their equivalent of Rome or Mecca. It was here that Cortés distinguished himself with a dark event: the Massacre of Cholula. On his march from the coast to Tenochtitlan, he stopped in Cholula. It was October 1519. Everything started peacefully: the city welcomed Cortés and provided food and lodging for his troops. However, the people of Cholula plotted against the Spaniards, incited by emissaries from Motecuhzoma, the Aztec emperor. They evacuated the women and children before taking action to get rid of the invaders. Motecuhzoma had sent 3,000 warriors disguised as porters. The Spaniards realized what was being plotted against them and struck first, resulting in the massacre of several thousand people.

This barbarity can never be erased, but it’s also important to understand the context. The Aztecs had certainly heard about the appalling way the Spaniards had behaved for a quarter of a century in Cuba and Santo Domingo, and they absolutely did not want to allow them access to their territories. Cortés, for his part, had only one goal in mind: to reach Tenochtitlan, the Aztec capital (present-day Mexico City). These opposing intentions led to diplomatic misunderstandings and mutual distrust.

Moreover, the Aztec Empire was not perfectly cemented. It seems the Aztecs of Tenochtitlan exercised rather oppressive control over the peoples who were part of their empire. These peoples, therefore, did not hold the Aztecs in their hearts and were quite inclined to rebellion. From his arrival, Cortés had found allies among the Totonacs, the coastal people. He arrived in Tlaxcala, then Cholula, accompanied by 100,000 Totonac warriors (according to Christian Duverger, in his book *Cortés*). 100,000 warriors! From all sides, violent actions could easily be feared. And the Aztecs had a reputation for being fierce warriors. It didn’t take much for the Spaniards to become paranoid. A little spark was all it took to ignite the powder keg.

Some will see the Spaniards’ actions as an act of self-defense. Others will say the Spaniards were intruders and certainly didn’t come to do charity: they had no business being there. Personally, I lean more toward this side.

At least be aware of this historical context when visiting this part of the world. Ignoring it would be missing the point entirely.
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Cholula – Drinks and Around the Pyramid

In the early evening, on our way back to the hotel, a friendly bar catches our eye: the Mezcalería located on 6 Norte, at the corner of 6 Oriente. It must get lively later in the evening, but for now, we’re practically the only customers. Y quenches his thirst with a craft ale. As for me, still intrigued by local specialties, I go for a pulque. I’d already tried it once or twice, and I really liked it. It’s a drink that reminds me of "siasser wii", the Alsatian new wine enjoyed with walnuts and "büra brot" ("peasant bread"), or "sàátho", made with sticky rice and left to ferment cozily in rice straw in northeastern Thailand, or even "tuak", that palm wine from the Indonesian islands. 😛😉 Refreshing, lightly alcoholic drinks that go down easily—but watch out for the results… This one’s a tad sweet for my taste. All for 120 pesos.

The next morning, we head to the Pyramid of Cholula. It’s the largest pyramid ever built in Central America and, reportedly, the largest in the world. It’s far less famous than the Great Pyramid of Giza, which is taller but less voluminous.

The pyramid was built in several phases spanning over a millennium. It was dedicated to the god Quetzalcoatl, the famous Feathered Serpent. You can see it from very far away. It’s one of Mexico’s most iconic postcard images: a beautiful orange church built at the top of the pyramid, standing out against the famous Popocatépetl volcano in the background. 😎 Without a doubt, the Spanish built this church to replace an indigenous temple they didn’t hesitate to destroy.

This first photo clearly shows why the Indigenous people gave the volcano its name: "Popocatépetl" means "the smoking mountain" in Nahuatl. The photo isn’t mine—I borrowed it from the museum we’ll visit later (I’m jumping ahead). You can’t see the entire pyramid here, just the top, but you’re struck by how it echoes the natural, majestic shape of the volcano. It’s not hard to see why Cholula, at the foot of the volcano, was a sacred place for the Indigenous people and why they built this pyramid there.

Cholula was also a place of paramount importance before the arrival of the Spanish. Two major trade routes crossed here, coming from Tenochtitlan: one toward the Caribbean coast and the other toward the Oaxaca region and from there to Central America. Cholula was already well-developed 2,000 years ago and must have had trade relations with Teotihuacán.

We approach the pyramid. Many people before us have had trouble seeing it as an artificial structure because it’s entirely covered in vegetation. We buy tickets to visit the ruins uncovered at its base—75 pesos per person. Let’s say it right away: you don’t need a ticket to go to the top and visit the church. The ruins might not be exceptional if you’ve already seen sites like Teotihuacán, Monte Albán, or Palenque. It must be acknowledged that archaeological excavations have probably only "scratched the surface" of the site so far. But now that we’re here, it’s a pleasant walk around the pyramid, and we have clear views of the church. There’s really only on the west side that you find something that looks like much of anything, probably the result of a recent reconstruction: the first two levels of a pyramid with a flight of steps, which isn’t unlike the pyramids of Teotihuacán.

As usual, there are several signs in this archaeological park explaining all sorts of things, in Spanish and English. They don’t fail to remind visitors of the tragic event known as the "Matanza de Cholula" ("Massacre of Cholula"). What’s said here about the Indigenous warriors who accompanied Cortés is completely different from what Christian Duverger says. According to the signs, he had an escort of 5,000 Tlaxcalan warriors and 500 Cempoalan warriors—Cempoala (or Zempoala) being the main city of the Totonacs. That’s far from Duverger’s "100,000 Totonac warriors." And given that later accounts only mention a few thousand Aztec warriors and a few thousand deaths (Aztecs and Cholulans combined), it’s safe to say that "thousands" is more realistic than "hundreds of thousands." I’ll paste the relevant passage from a sign here, in Spanish, but some of you might be able to read it easily.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Cholula – From the Top of the Pyramid

The pyramid of Cholula isn’t at all like the other pyramids in Mexico: it’s covered in vegetation. A well-maintained path takes us to the top quite easily. The Spanish built the church of "Nuestra Señora de los Remedios" here between 1594 and 1666.

The view of the volcanic massif rising to the west is breathtaking. 😎 On the left, you can’t miss the famous Popocatépetl, standing at 5,426 meters, and to its right, the Iztaccihuatl, which "only" reaches 5,230 meters. In Cholula, we’re already at 2,150 meters above sea level, but these volcanoes tower over us with an extra 3,000 meters, just about 30 kilometers away.

These are the highest points in Mexico after the Pico de Orizaba (or Citlaltépetl), which dominates the Sierra Madre Oriental at 5,636 meters, less than 200 kilometers to the east.

In my first photo, I carefully framed the Popocatépetl and the Iztaccihuatl between the cross and the angels at the entrance of the churchyard. This cross is probably quite recent. The ones the Spanish had erected before building the church were struck by lightning several times—was it the wrath of the indigenous gods?

In this photo, the cross marks the exact saddle between the two volcanoes. That’s where Cortés crossed the volcanic range to reach the valley of Tenochtitlan. Hence the name Paso de Cortés given to the pass, which sits at around 3,400 meters above sea level. The usual route was a bit lower and further north, but Cortés expected the Aztecs to be lying in wait there.

It might leave some people cold, but personally, I find all this history and geography absolutely fascinating. I can easily share in the Spaniards’ surprise and even awe when they first glimpsed the valley of Tenochtitlan (Mexico City) from this pass. Let’s quote Bernal Díaz del Castillo, a companion of Cortés, who wrote the "Historia verdadera de la conquista de la Nueva España":

"We were struck with wonder. We said to each other that it all resembled the enchantments told of in the book of Amadis, with those great towers and stone temples rising from the water. Some of our soldiers said what they saw could only be a dream." 😮

If you look closely at this first photo, you’ll notice that the ridges of the Iztaccihuatl are snow-covered, while the Popocatépetl isn’t, despite being 200 meters taller. That’s because it’s semi-dormant—and it’s smoking! It lives up to its name! It even erupted a few weeks after our visit. No big deal, there’s no need to panic—the Popocatépetl has only had about fifteen major eruptions since the Spanish arrived! 🏴‍☠️😮😉

We tear ourselves away from this hypnotic view and turn toward the church. Since I’ve already written novels about Mexican churches, I’ll keep it brief this time: it’s pretty (it was extensively restored in the late 19th century). The interior: magnificent.
MI Michant Veteran ·
Hi there,

You two were lucky to get a glimpse of Popocatépetl. I think it’s usually pretty shy, right? Was that in November? Maybe that view alone is worth the detour to Cholula.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Hello,

You two were lucky to be able to see Popocatépetl. I think it’s usually pretty shy, right? Was that in November? Maybe that view alone is worth the detour to Cholula.

Yes, it was around mid-November. Without a doubt, one of the landscapes that struck me the most. Plus, with all the Mexican context, it was pure joy.

"Worth the detour" is an understatement. Just think about it: - Puebla = the wound inflicted by the French "intervention" in the 19th century - Cholula = the wound inflicted on Mexico by the Spanish conquistadors 500 years ago - The landscapes + the lively atmosphere + the architectural beauty, etc.

All of that packed into such a small area, in a way.
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
Still in Colonial Mexico!
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Still in Colonial Mexico!

I don’t really see what interesting addition you’re making to this post. Just remarks like "I don’t like churches" or "Colonial Mexico doesn’t interest me."

Besides, what’s this definition "Colonial Mexico" in opposition to? Indigenous Mexico? It seems like a pretty narrow definition—these two sides of Mexico aren’t that separate. It sounds like something a travel agent would say:

"We offer the Colonial Mexico package in 7 days (plus one day of relaxation by the pool)… or "We offer the Temples and Indigenous Markets package (guaranteed authentic) in 6 days—with an optional 3 extra days at the beach."
MI Michant Veteran ·
First off, let's start by saying hello!

Still in Colonial Mexico!

Wrong! 😮 There was plenty about pre-Hispanic Mexico in this story—just look at the Cholula pyramid. There are also markets, food, history pages, and I think you’ve got some gaps to fill there! So this travel journal has something for a wide range of readers.

True, it’s missing the "paradise" beaches, but the author warned us, and I’m glad! Mexico isn’t just the Yucatán Peninsula and the so-called Riviera Maya!

Otherwise, I’ll confirm you’re a pain, and that’s putting it mildly! And if you don’t like this journal, nothing’s forcing you to read it—or stopping you from writing your own! 😠
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
Stay polite yourself—I’d never keep a travel journal out of modesty; my memories are my own.
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FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
B ailleur when it suits me, not because YOU TOLD ME TO

Good evening, I’ll go wherever I please, not because you ordered me to.

Hello, I’ll go check it out
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JO Joss34 ·
That’s the pot calling the kettle black. Your posts don’t add anything except negativity. You don’t keep a travel journal out of modesty? Give me a break—you love bragging all day about how you’ve done this or that trip before everyone else, how you only travel in a certain "standard," etc... You don’t like "colonial" Mexico? Who cares about your tastes—the world doesn’t revolve around you. And spare me the laugh about calling the Yucatán "authentic" when it’s basically Mexico’s money-making machine. You’ve got nerve.
FR Frmi31 Veteran ·
Yeah, the Yucatán is a money-making machine, but I love it there—I adore its pyramids and attractions. For me, vacation goes hand in hand with comfort!
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
I find this distinction some people make between a “Colonial Mexico” and “Other Mexicos” pretty artificial and, frankly, unproductive. But since it exists, it might be helpful to define what we’re talking about in such discussions.

Personally, I’d say “Colonial Mexico” refers to those regions where the Spanish left the deepest marks during the three centuries before independence. Naturally, we first think of cities most shaped by their architecture. That’s why a guide like Lonely Planet lists “Historic Colonial Cities” (page 27 of the 2019 English edition). Puebla and Oaxaca are on it: they’re the archetypes of the “colonial city” since they were founded by the Spanish—just a few kilometers from the pre-existing Indigenous cities of Cholula and Zaachila, respectively.

Does that mean when you visit Puebla or Oaxaca, you’re missing out on “another Mexico”? No, of course not. Just step outside the city, and you’ll find Indigenous communities. Take the Nahua people, for example—the largest Indigenous group in Mexico. What’s more, it’s in the state of Puebla that Nahua culture is best preserved. Just look at the 2000 census stats (population and Nahua speakers). I’m not dismissing the Maya world, but it’s not the only one!

But here’s the thing: we don’t usually explore the backcountry of Puebla state. There are no famous ruins (aside from Cholula) and, most importantly, no beaches!
MI Michant Veteran ·
Hi Georges,

I find this distinction some people make between a "Colonial Mexico" and "Other Mexicos" quite artificial and ultimately sterile.

This "non-distinction" applies to all of Latin America, which has the greatest blend of modern history: Indigenous, European, and African (Brazil, the Caribbean). Besides, colonial Mexico hasn’t existed since 1821. We should really be talking about Mexico’s colonial legacy.
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
….. Besides, colonial Mexico no longer exists since 1821. We should then talk about Mexico's colonial legacy.

Of course, strictly speaking.

But we say it that way to keep it short..... I hope all readers know we're not talking about some part of Mexico that, miraculously and mysteriously, remained a Spanish possession!
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Cholula – History and Geography

A heads-up for those who might be allergic to history and geography: don’t read on!

As for me, I can’t help but dive into what makes a country "tick," what lies at its core. Especially when it’s a country as fascinating as Mexico. It includes a bit of everything. Today, it’s once again about Cortés’s expedition and those volcanoes. It’s not exactly a trivial matter, you’ll agree!

Since I’ve already talked about it quite a bit, I’ll just add this map of the region from Puebla to Mexico City. I’ve annotated it to highlight 1) how the "valley" of Mexico is surrounded by a series of volcanic ranges and 2) the route taken by Cortés to reach the city of Tenochtitlan (the former Mexico City), in contrast to the easier route crossing the mountains further north but at a lower altitude (which, by the way, is the only proper road axis today coming from the east).

You can clearly see that the entire region is a high plateau. The only areas below 2,000 meters are at the very bottom left of this map. This map is actually just a small part of the central Mexican volcanic plateau.

There you go—I hope some of you will appreciate it. I did spend 2 or 3 hours on this! !
CA Capucine33 Veteran ·
Bravo and thanks a ton +++ for this travel journal—it’s so thorough! We’re planning a trip to Mexico, and all your tips are priceless because they’re already making us dream... We were initially preparing a "classic" circuit in the Yucatán, but after reading your post... we’re tempted to set our bags down a little further west. Looking forward to reading more from you!
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GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Bravo and thank you +++ for this travel journal, it's so comprehensive! We're planning a trip to Mexico and all your tips are precious—they’re already making us dream... We were initially preparing a "classic" circuit in the Yucatán, but after reading your post... we're tempted to set our bags down a little further west. Looking forward to reading more from you!

Thanks to you too! It’s great to know we’re making a difference! 🙂
MI Michant Veteran ·
Hi Georges,

Avertissement pour les « ceusses » who might be allergic to history and geography

I’m one of those "ceusses" who isn’t—quite the opposite, in fact! 🙂 I often sprinkle my travel journals with a bit of historical and geographical context, like this one: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=7640569;#7640569 But I worry about losing readers. I’m actually working on a third travel journal about Russia, and I’m wondering if I should water down the historical tea—it might taste too bitter for some! 😎

il me suffira d’ajouter cette carte de la région allant de Puebla à la ville de Mexico

What a beautiful job on the cartography and historical geography—complete with contour lines, no less! Bravo! 🙂

tout en bas et à gauche de cette carte

Southwest, basically! 😛

J’y ai quand-même mis 2 ou 3 heures de travail !

Oh, I know—travel journals are time-consuming, from experience. And some people don’t even realize it... 😕

I guess we’re slowly approaching the end of your travel journal!
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Great work on the mapping and historical geography, and with contour lines, please! Well done! 🙂

Easy job for a pro. 😉

at the very bottom and left of this map

In the southwest, duh! 😛

Sure. But some people wouldn’t figure it out as fast as you! 😕

I guess we’re slowly nearing the end of your travel journal!

True. Just a few more pages to write before the return flight. 🙂
GE GeorgesOZ Globetrotter ·
Neil Young and Cortés – Romantic Distortions

The topic of Indigenous peoples, conquistadors, and the devastation they caused is inevitably recurring when discussing Latin American countries. It’s completely natural to feel a pang in your heart when thinking about what was destroyed, what was lost, and the conditions in which Indigenous peoples are marginalized today.

It’s natural, it’s understandable. I’m moved by it myself, like many other travelers. Nostalgia and regret are fine. But there’s also a tendency to romanticize what Indigenous peoples were really like.

Neil Young’s song « Cortez the Killer » is a perfect example. Let’s set aside the odd habit Anglophones have of using a « z » where there’s an « s » (like « Brazil » for « Brasil »—English and Portuguese). Neil Young said he wrote the song after reading several books. He must not have read them well, or those books were of questionable quality.

Let’s look at the lyrics:

2nd verse: “On the shore lay Montezuma” “On the shore lay (or ‘stood’) Montezuma” “With his coca leaves and pearls” “With his coca leaves and pearls”

Let’s overlook the odd use of « lay » (past tense of « to lie »), which means « lay » (as in, reclining). Why not « stood » = « stood, was standing »?

But there are two glaring historical errors: Montezuma, the Aztec emperor, was not on the shore waiting for Cortés. He never left his capital, Tenochtitlan, to meet the Spaniards on the Caribbean coast where they landed.

Second, coca use was not widespread north of Nicaragua. The Aztecs, however, chewed tobacco.

5th verse: “Hate was just a legend” “Hate was just a legend And war was never known” “And war was never known”

As romanticized distortions of Aztec civilization go, this is hard to beat! The Aztecs were an especially belligerent people. One of the reasons for their perpetual warfare with neighboring peoples was to secure victims for their human sacrifices. It would have been more accurate to say, « And peace was never known »!

And as for hate: the peoples they had subjugated in their empire did not hold the Aztecs in their hearts, as evidenced by how quickly many allied with the Spaniards to attack them.

This romanticization extends to Indigenous peoples of all kinds… or should we say, of all feathers? Once again, it’s the « noble savage myth » at work.
NI Nimou74 Veteran ·
Stay polite yourself—I’d never keep a travel journal out of modesty; my memories are my own

Well, personally, I think everyone’s shown a lot of patience with you, and no one’s been rude. At worst, people just ignore your posts. “Annoying”? Yeah, definitely… and *reaaaally* heavy-handed. Oh, and one more thing: Stop sending me aggressive, unreadable PMs—I won’t reply. Thanks in advance.
« Voyager rend modeste. Vous voyez quelle petite place vous occupez dans le monde. » - Gustave Flaubert https://www.myatlas.com/anneclaire95

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