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Voyager rend-il tolérant? L'agressivité est elle occidentale?
by Parvat
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Je suis allée a l'école privée, alors c'est certain que j'ai lu la Bible.Et je me souviens bien que la bible est sexiste, mais aussi que le Jésus avait pardonné a Marie-Madelaine.C'est ca l'histoire, je crois.
Je ne suis pas anti-musulmans, Nil.Sinon je n'aurais pas mis un article écrit par un Pakistanais et qui donne des bons points a Mahomet.J'habite a Québec, mais si j'habitais Montréal, je serais allée manifestée contre la mort du jeune que la police a tué.Je ne crois pas non plus m'attaquer si méchamment au Coran.Et ce n'est pas bien de faire une commande de 12 caricactures pour les publier dans toute l'Europe, dans le but de se moquer des musulmans.Je l'ai dit dans un message et je le répete, il y a des féministes musulmanes.Des musulmanes ne portent pas le voile.
Tu me fais peur quand tu dis que l'islam a amilioré la condition des femmes.Tu veux te convertir ou quoi?? Car c'est l'argument que donnent les imams pour attirer de nouvelles adeptes.Les femmes a l'époque de Mahomet participaient encore a la société.Quand le Coran a été écrit, les choses se sont gatées.En quoi c'est mal de dire ca?
Je ne suis pas anti-musulmans, Nil.Sinon je n'aurais pas mis un article écrit par un Pakistanais et qui donne des bons points a Mahomet.J'habite a Québec, mais si j'habitais Montréal, je serais allée manifestée contre la mort du jeune que la police a tué.Je ne crois pas non plus m'attaquer si méchamment au Coran.Et ce n'est pas bien de faire une commande de 12 caricactures pour les publier dans toute l'Europe, dans le but de se moquer des musulmans.Je l'ai dit dans un message et je le répete, il y a des féministes musulmanes.Des musulmanes ne portent pas le voile.
Tu me fais peur quand tu dis que l'islam a amilioré la condition des femmes.Tu veux te convertir ou quoi?? Car c'est l'argument que donnent les imams pour attirer de nouvelles adeptes.Les femmes a l'époque de Mahomet participaient encore a la société.Quand le Coran a été écrit, les choses se sont gatées.En quoi c'est mal de dire ca?
Anaïs.
Oui...heuh....sujet délicat
Les hommes et les femmes doivent tout s'épiler....
ha ha ha ha!!!
Alors les femmes ressemblent a des petites filles asexuées.
Bonsoir Annais,
Je te livre un scoop, ici à Chrypre les femmes (pour la plupart ferventes orthodoxes) pratiquent toutes, ou presque, l'épilation intégrale. Elles trouvent répugnant qu'on puisse garder des poils inesthétiques et peu hygiéniques sur cette partie de notre anatomie. C'est également une pratique très répandue en Italie.

Les hommes et les femmes doivent tout s'épiler....
ha ha ha ha!!!
Alors les femmes ressemblent a des petites filles asexuées.
Bonsoir Annais,
Je te livre un scoop, ici à Chrypre les femmes (pour la plupart ferventes orthodoxes) pratiquent toutes, ou presque, l'épilation intégrale. Elles trouvent répugnant qu'on puisse garder des poils inesthétiques et peu hygiéniques sur cette partie de notre anatomie. C'est également une pratique très répandue en Italie.
Ca ne sert à rien d'opposer une religion à l'autre, elles sont toutes liberticides et misogynes
Mais je suis d'accord avec toi...J'ai d'ailleurs dit quelque chose sur les chrétiens aux États-Unis.Je voulais continuer la-dessus avant de me faire mitrailler parce que j'ai touché a la sexualité des musulmans.
Mais je suis d'accord avec toi...J'ai d'ailleurs dit quelque chose sur les chrétiens aux États-Unis.Je voulais continuer la-dessus avant de me faire mitrailler parce que j'ai touché a la sexualité des musulmans.
Anaïs.
Ben j'ai pas mal voyagé dans des pays musulmans et j'ai constaté de visu que la place de la femme n'est guère enviable. A Djanet en Algérie j'ai été surpris de ne croiser aucune femme ou presque dans la ville (alors qu'il y avait beaucoup d'hommes) par exemple. Je ne compte pas le nombre de femmes rencontrées chez des nomades notamment qui se cachaient le visage de leur voile en présence d'un étranger. Certains diront par pudeur bien sur, c'est évident...
Pourquoi nier l'évidence ? Cela ne m'empeche pas d'avoir apprécier toutes ces cultures et pour certaines de les trouver fascinantes.
Pourquoi nier l'évidence ? Cela ne m'empeche pas d'avoir apprécier toutes ces cultures et pour certaines de les trouver fascinantes.
mais, plutot une question d'hygiène. je ne vois pas en quoi leur condition en est amoindrie
Faux a 100%.Bon, je n'ai pas envie de mettre un lien la-dessus, mais juste taper "utilité des poils"et vous allez voir des articles scientifiques.
NB:ceci ne s'adresse pas a l'islam, bien des femmes ici aussi ont adopté cette mode.
Je ne détaille pas plus.
Faux a 100%.Bon, je n'ai pas envie de mettre un lien la-dessus, mais juste taper "utilité des poils"et vous allez voir des articles scientifiques.
NB:ceci ne s'adresse pas a l'islam, bien des femmes ici aussi ont adopté cette mode.
Je ne détaille pas plus.
Anaïs.
Mais les caricatures leur donnent des cartes en mains pour convaincre les modérés de devenir extrémistes.... Va relire mon texte s'il-te-plait, c'est bien ce que je dis!
La liberté d'expression, oui! Mais il ne faut pas non plus tomber dans l'extrème et en faire sa religion.
À vouloir avoir le droit de dire tout ce que l'on pense, on fini par en manger une en pleine gueule....
Nil
A mon avis c'est exactement le contraire. Au plus on laisse les intégristes s'exprimer au plus ils vot devenir intransigeants. Et au plus on s'en prendra plein la gueule. Et si je me trompe on aura au moins la satisfaction d'avoir vécu de manière civilisée et relativement libre. Ce qui n'est pas rien.
En plus les attentats terroristes sont par définition injustifiés et aveugles. Le but est de créer de la peur pas de faire des dégats (pas en priorité disons). C'est la vieille rengaine mais si tu refuses quelques chose (d'aller à tel endroit, de lire tel journal, de dessiner tel dessin ;) ) à cause du risque terroriste ben tu as perdu et les terroristes ont gagné.
La liberté d'expression, oui! Mais il ne faut pas non plus tomber dans l'extrème et en faire sa religion.
À vouloir avoir le droit de dire tout ce que l'on pense, on fini par en manger une en pleine gueule....
Nil
A mon avis c'est exactement le contraire. Au plus on laisse les intégristes s'exprimer au plus ils vot devenir intransigeants. Et au plus on s'en prendra plein la gueule. Et si je me trompe on aura au moins la satisfaction d'avoir vécu de manière civilisée et relativement libre. Ce qui n'est pas rien.
En plus les attentats terroristes sont par définition injustifiés et aveugles. Le but est de créer de la peur pas de faire des dégats (pas en priorité disons). C'est la vieille rengaine mais si tu refuses quelques chose (d'aller à tel endroit, de lire tel journal, de dessiner tel dessin ;) ) à cause du risque terroriste ben tu as perdu et les terroristes ont gagné.
Tu me fais peur quand tu dis que l'islam a amilioré la condition des femmes.Tu veux te convertir ou quoi??
Ca c'est une question stupide... C'est un jugement de basse cathégorie qui n'a rien à voir avec mes positions.
Car c'est l'argument que donnent les imams pour attirer de nouvelles adeptes.Les femmes a l'époque de Mahomet participaient encore a la société.Quand le Coran a été écrit, les choses se sont gatées.En quoi c'est mal de dire ca?
Ce que je dis, c'est que malgré le fait que la vision de la liberté n'est pas celle que nous avons aujourd'hui, à l'époque, cela en était une. Une bien meilleure que ce que les femmes vivaient pour cette période. Je ne dis pas que c'est la cas aujourd'hui. Il ne faut pas juste se fier à ce qu'une personne dit, mais sur ce que plusieurs disent. À l'occurence, les historiens. Les imams, je ne les écoutes pas, ils prêchent pour leur paroisse ( en quelque sorte). Je me fis à ce que les chercheurs et les historiens ont été en mesure de trouver.
C'est comme pour la bible, et la fameuse histoire de jesus. Selon les historiens, la bible raconte de bien belles histoires, mais la réalité est toute autre.
Il y a toujours deux côtés à une médaille. Et que ce soit sur l'Islam, c'est la même chose. Il n'y a pas que du mauvais. Si on ne se fie qu'à ce que les imams, les prêtres, les rabbins racontes.... ce n'est pas avoir un jugement clair.
Je connais des musulmans très pratiquants, qui sont de très bonnes personnes, qui sont très respectueux envers les autres, envers leur femme.
Tu tombes dans l'extrème que tu dénonce, c'est ca que je te souligne!
Sinon,
Ca c'est une question stupide... C'est un jugement de basse cathégorie qui n'a rien à voir avec mes positions.
Car c'est l'argument que donnent les imams pour attirer de nouvelles adeptes.Les femmes a l'époque de Mahomet participaient encore a la société.Quand le Coran a été écrit, les choses se sont gatées.En quoi c'est mal de dire ca?
Ce que je dis, c'est que malgré le fait que la vision de la liberté n'est pas celle que nous avons aujourd'hui, à l'époque, cela en était une. Une bien meilleure que ce que les femmes vivaient pour cette période. Je ne dis pas que c'est la cas aujourd'hui. Il ne faut pas juste se fier à ce qu'une personne dit, mais sur ce que plusieurs disent. À l'occurence, les historiens. Les imams, je ne les écoutes pas, ils prêchent pour leur paroisse ( en quelque sorte). Je me fis à ce que les chercheurs et les historiens ont été en mesure de trouver.
C'est comme pour la bible, et la fameuse histoire de jesus. Selon les historiens, la bible raconte de bien belles histoires, mais la réalité est toute autre.
Il y a toujours deux côtés à une médaille. Et que ce soit sur l'Islam, c'est la même chose. Il n'y a pas que du mauvais. Si on ne se fie qu'à ce que les imams, les prêtres, les rabbins racontes.... ce n'est pas avoir un jugement clair.
Je connais des musulmans très pratiquants, qui sont de très bonnes personnes, qui sont très respectueux envers les autres, envers leur femme.
Tu tombes dans l'extrème que tu dénonce, c'est ca que je te souligne!
Sinon,
Zen Attitude!
"Rester, c’est exister : mais voyager, c’est vivre!''
Je comprend ton point.
Mais reste que je pense que c'est de la provocation qui n'a pas lieu d'être.
Permet moi, pour une fois, de ne pas être d'accord avec toi. Considérer la publication de caricatures très anodines comme une provocation qu'il aurait mieux valu éviter est déjà de l'autocensure, c'est-à dire un point pour les intégristes. Pourquoi être tolérant avec eux alors qu'ils ne souhaitent que la mort de la démocratie et que "tolérance" ne fait pas partie de leur vocabulaire. L'exemple des accords de Munich cité par Nakata est un bon point de comparaison, servons-nous de l'histoire pour essayer de ne pas refaire les mêmes erreurs.
Permet moi, pour une fois, de ne pas être d'accord avec toi. Considérer la publication de caricatures très anodines comme une provocation qu'il aurait mieux valu éviter est déjà de l'autocensure, c'est-à dire un point pour les intégristes. Pourquoi être tolérant avec eux alors qu'ils ne souhaitent que la mort de la démocratie et que "tolérance" ne fait pas partie de leur vocabulaire. L'exemple des accords de Munich cité par Nakata est un bon point de comparaison, servons-nous de l'histoire pour essayer de ne pas refaire les mêmes erreurs.
Mes sources historiques sont restés au Québec.... Malheureusement!
Ce sont les livres avec lesquels j'ai travaillé dans mon Bacc en histoire... Et comme cela fait un moment, je ne me souviens plus des titres....
Beaucoup d'eau a coulé sous les ponts depuis ce temps-là...
Je vais quand même tenter, via le net, de trouver quelque chose...
Nil
Ce sont les livres avec lesquels j'ai travaillé dans mon Bacc en histoire... Et comme cela fait un moment, je ne me souviens plus des titres....
Beaucoup d'eau a coulé sous les ponts depuis ce temps-là...
Je vais quand même tenter, via le net, de trouver quelque chose...
Nil
Zen Attitude!
"Rester, c’est exister : mais voyager, c’est vivre!''
🙂Bonjour Marilune,
Bon moi une de mes références c'est "La virilité dans l'islam", recueil de textes sous la direction de Nadia Tazi, philosophe et Fethi Benslama, psychanalyste a Paris 7.
La sexualité en Islam, PUF
Culture musulmane:Mythe et représentation sociale, PUF
La laicité au regard du Coran
La condition de la femme dans l'islam de Mohamed Harbi
Ainsi que d'autres
A+
Bon moi une de mes références c'est "La virilité dans l'islam", recueil de textes sous la direction de Nadia Tazi, philosophe et Fethi Benslama, psychanalyste a Paris 7.
La sexualité en Islam, PUF
Culture musulmane:Mythe et représentation sociale, PUF
La laicité au regard du Coran
La condition de la femme dans l'islam de Mohamed Harbi
Ainsi que d'autres
A+
Anaïs.
oui, j'ai étudié la mode. Mais j'ai aussi fait bien d'autres choses avant. J'ai un bacc en Histoire. J'ai aussi travailler dans bien des domaines avant la mode. Il n'y a pas que les chiffons dans la vie.
Mon Bacc remonte à il y a 7 ans.
Mon Bacc remonte à il y a 7 ans.
Zen Attitude!
"Rester, c’est exister : mais voyager, c’est vivre!''
Bonjour Annais,
Il existe une difference entre islam et extremisme musulman. J'ai l'impression que tu ne fais aucune difference entre les 2...
Pour la place de la femme dans la societe musulmane, nous pouvons regarder les grands pays musulmans: L'Indonesie: Megawati Sukarnoputri a ete presidente de la republique de 2001 a 2004. L'indonesie est une theocratie musulmane. Le Pakistan: Benazir Buttho a ete plusieurs fois premier ministre. La republique islamiste du Pakistan est une theocratie musulmane. La Turquie: Tansu Ciller a ete premier ministre de Turquie de 1993 a 1995. La Turqie est une republique.
Quand je regarde la France ou le Canada, je me demande qui doit donner des lecons a qui...
Je suis vraiment tres surpris que tu puisses avoir une opinion aussi tranchee sur l'islam sans avoir vecu quelques annees dans des pays musulmans afin de bien connaitre cette religion.
Il existe une difference entre islam et extremisme musulman. J'ai l'impression que tu ne fais aucune difference entre les 2...
Pour la place de la femme dans la societe musulmane, nous pouvons regarder les grands pays musulmans: L'Indonesie: Megawati Sukarnoputri a ete presidente de la republique de 2001 a 2004. L'indonesie est une theocratie musulmane. Le Pakistan: Benazir Buttho a ete plusieurs fois premier ministre. La republique islamiste du Pakistan est une theocratie musulmane. La Turquie: Tansu Ciller a ete premier ministre de Turquie de 1993 a 1995. La Turqie est une republique.
Quand je regarde la France ou le Canada, je me demande qui doit donner des lecons a qui...
Je suis vraiment tres surpris que tu puisses avoir une opinion aussi tranchee sur l'islam sans avoir vecu quelques annees dans des pays musulmans afin de bien connaitre cette religion.
mais ici, en France les femmes musulmanes qui ne veulent pas mettre de foulard n'en mettent pas
tu crois vraiment qu'elles ont le choix?😮
Dans la majorité des cas, mon expérience de tous les jours, me prouve que oui . Oui, parce que ce choix de porter ou non le foulard dépend de leurs propres préjugés, qu'elles ne sont contrainte par personne d'autre qu'elles mêmes et leurs propres convictions pour le porter. Certes, il doit bien y en avoir quelques unes qui sont victimes d'un père d'un frère ou d'un époux, mais ce n'est pas la majorité loin s'en faut.
Un préjugé est aliénant, quelle que soit l'origine du préjugé . Ce n'est pas parce qu'il est d'origine religieuse qu'il est plus aliénant . Par exemple ce préjugé qui te fait croire que toutes les femmes qui portent un foulard en France sont victimes des hommes de leur famille. Qui te fait considérer ces femmes comme des nigaudes sans jugement et sans volonté individuelle et leurs hommes comme d'horribles tortionnaires, est un préjugé aliénant, dans la mesure où ton jugement est aveuglé par une conviction.
tu crois vraiment qu'elles ont le choix?😮
Dans la majorité des cas, mon expérience de tous les jours, me prouve que oui . Oui, parce que ce choix de porter ou non le foulard dépend de leurs propres préjugés, qu'elles ne sont contrainte par personne d'autre qu'elles mêmes et leurs propres convictions pour le porter. Certes, il doit bien y en avoir quelques unes qui sont victimes d'un père d'un frère ou d'un époux, mais ce n'est pas la majorité loin s'en faut.
Un préjugé est aliénant, quelle que soit l'origine du préjugé . Ce n'est pas parce qu'il est d'origine religieuse qu'il est plus aliénant . Par exemple ce préjugé qui te fait croire que toutes les femmes qui portent un foulard en France sont victimes des hommes de leur famille. Qui te fait considérer ces femmes comme des nigaudes sans jugement et sans volonté individuelle et leurs hommes comme d'horribles tortionnaires, est un préjugé aliénant, dans la mesure où ton jugement est aveuglé par une conviction.
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
http://www.catherinegil.com
http://www.catherinegil.com
Tout à fait, et une de mes très bonnes amies, est marocaine. Elle habite au Québec depuis maintenant 8 ans. Losrque je l'ai rencontré, à l'école, elle s'était marié un an auparavant au Maroc et était venue rejoindre son mari. Elle poursuivait ses études.
J'ai beaucoup participé à leurs fêtes, leur souper, avec la famille installée au Québec. En tant que personne très pratiquante, je me demandais pourquoi elle ne portait pas le voile.
Elle m'a expliqué que chez elle, à Fez ( qui selon elle est une ville très religieuse) une femme qui décidait de porter le voile devait le porter toute sa vie. Les gens jugeaient comme étant non sérieuse dans sa foi, une femme qui décidait de ne plus le porter. Pour elle, il était clair qu'elle espèrait un jour pouvoir le porter, mais qu'elle n'en était pas prête, et ne savait pas si elle serait en mesure de toujours le porter. Donc, tant et aussi longtemps qu'elle ne sera pas prête, elle ne le portera pas. Il est probable qu'elle ne le portera jamais. Car selon elle, c'est un symbole très lourd de sens dans sa foi. Elle considère que ce n'est pas toutes les femmes qui sont en mesure de l'assumer. Elle m'a aussi dit que oui, certaines femmes de sa ville, qu'elle connait, le porte par obligation. Mais ce n'est pas le cas pour toutes. Et que la majorité de ses copines, ne le portent pas. Et bien que sa belle-mère le porte, ses belle-soeurs ne le portent pas.
Nil
J'ai beaucoup participé à leurs fêtes, leur souper, avec la famille installée au Québec. En tant que personne très pratiquante, je me demandais pourquoi elle ne portait pas le voile.
Elle m'a expliqué que chez elle, à Fez ( qui selon elle est une ville très religieuse) une femme qui décidait de porter le voile devait le porter toute sa vie. Les gens jugeaient comme étant non sérieuse dans sa foi, une femme qui décidait de ne plus le porter. Pour elle, il était clair qu'elle espèrait un jour pouvoir le porter, mais qu'elle n'en était pas prête, et ne savait pas si elle serait en mesure de toujours le porter. Donc, tant et aussi longtemps qu'elle ne sera pas prête, elle ne le portera pas. Il est probable qu'elle ne le portera jamais. Car selon elle, c'est un symbole très lourd de sens dans sa foi. Elle considère que ce n'est pas toutes les femmes qui sont en mesure de l'assumer. Elle m'a aussi dit que oui, certaines femmes de sa ville, qu'elle connait, le porte par obligation. Mais ce n'est pas le cas pour toutes. Et que la majorité de ses copines, ne le portent pas. Et bien que sa belle-mère le porte, ses belle-soeurs ne le portent pas.
Nil
Zen Attitude!
"Rester, c’est exister : mais voyager, c’est vivre!''
Pour revenir sur cette expression de "racisme anti- musulman "
Si au XIX° siècle le racisme était bien une théorie discriminatoire fondé sur l'idée de prédominance de "races" humaines sur d'autres, depuis la génétique nous a appris que s'il y avait bien différentes ethnies, il n'y avait pas de races dans l'espèce humaine mais ce n'est pas pour autant que le racisme à disparu, c'est donc au sens -2- "attitude d'hostilité systématique à l'égard de certaines catégories de personnes, déterminée en fonction de leur appartenance à un groupe ex : racisme anti- jeunes " . ( Grand dictionnaire encyclopédique Larousse ) que j'ai employé le terme de "racisme anti Musulman ", comme existe le "racisme anti juif ". Tous les juifs, pas plus que tous les Musulmans n'appartiennent pas à la même ethnie. Les Juifs Ashkénazes d'Europe Centrale sont d'une ethnie différente des Juifs Séfarades d'Afrique du Nord, différents des Juifs d'Ethiopie ou des Juifs Iraniens. Il n'empêche qu'ils sont tous réunis dans le racisme anti-juif qu'il est difficile de nier, en raison de leur appartenance à un groupe d'origine religieuse ( juif => judaïsme ), que chaque individu de ce groupe qui représente des millions de personnes, soit, personnellement et individuellement, croyant ou pas.
Or, il est en train d'arriver la même chose avec les Musulmans. Pour s'en convaincre, il suffit de voir les préjugés qui s'accumulent dans cette discussion, fondés davantage sur des" on dit" et des fantasmes que sur la réalité des faits.Où l'on confond allègrement les méfaits incontestables des extrémistes avec un comportement ordinaire, de gens ordinaires.
Si au XIX° siècle le racisme était bien une théorie discriminatoire fondé sur l'idée de prédominance de "races" humaines sur d'autres, depuis la génétique nous a appris que s'il y avait bien différentes ethnies, il n'y avait pas de races dans l'espèce humaine mais ce n'est pas pour autant que le racisme à disparu, c'est donc au sens -2- "attitude d'hostilité systématique à l'égard de certaines catégories de personnes, déterminée en fonction de leur appartenance à un groupe ex : racisme anti- jeunes " . ( Grand dictionnaire encyclopédique Larousse ) que j'ai employé le terme de "racisme anti Musulman ", comme existe le "racisme anti juif ". Tous les juifs, pas plus que tous les Musulmans n'appartiennent pas à la même ethnie. Les Juifs Ashkénazes d'Europe Centrale sont d'une ethnie différente des Juifs Séfarades d'Afrique du Nord, différents des Juifs d'Ethiopie ou des Juifs Iraniens. Il n'empêche qu'ils sont tous réunis dans le racisme anti-juif qu'il est difficile de nier, en raison de leur appartenance à un groupe d'origine religieuse ( juif => judaïsme ), que chaque individu de ce groupe qui représente des millions de personnes, soit, personnellement et individuellement, croyant ou pas.
Or, il est en train d'arriver la même chose avec les Musulmans. Pour s'en convaincre, il suffit de voir les préjugés qui s'accumulent dans cette discussion, fondés davantage sur des" on dit" et des fantasmes que sur la réalité des faits.Où l'on confond allègrement les méfaits incontestables des extrémistes avec un comportement ordinaire, de gens ordinaires.
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
http://www.catherinegil.com
http://www.catherinegil.com
Décidément, tu es tenace.
Je ne suis toujours pas d'accord.
Les nazis ont tenté d'exterminer TOUS les juifs, qu'ils soient religieux ou laïcs.
Le mot "juif" implique l'appartenance à un peuple, pas à une religion ou à une ethnie, contrairement au mot "musulman" qui indique l'appartenance à une religion.
D'autre part, pour appuyer ta démonstration, tu notes que l'expression "racisme anti-jeunes" se trouve dans un dictionnaire, mais l'expression "racisme anti-musulman" n'y est pas.
On ne parle pas non plus de "racisme anti-judaïque".
Le mot "juif" implique l'appartenance à un peuple, pas à une religion ou à une ethnie, contrairement au mot "musulman" qui indique l'appartenance à une religion.
D'autre part, pour appuyer ta démonstration, tu notes que l'expression "racisme anti-jeunes" se trouve dans un dictionnaire, mais l'expression "racisme anti-musulman" n'y est pas.
On ne parle pas non plus de "racisme anti-judaïque".
Mais ta phrase ne veut rien dire, je te rappelle la définition de "musulman" (dictionnaire Petit Larousse) : qui professe la religion islamique.
Mais enfin ! Oui, je suis tenace ! Parce que même si le mot "juif" représente une appartenance à un " peuple"comme tu dis, ce qui supposerait une communauté de gens unis par leurs origines, leurs langues et leurs cultures, on voit bien, dans les faits, que la seule chose qui les réunit, c'est l'appartenance religieuse, puisqu'ils n'ont ni la même origine ethnique, ni la même langue, ni la même culture.
Et c'est exactement pareil pour les Musulmans.
Quant à la"figuration dans le dictionnaire" je te rappelle qu'en principe ce qui est écrit en italique est une indication à titre d'exemple qui vient expliquer la définition :" attitude d'hostilité systématique à l'égard d'une catégorie des personnes en raison de leur appartenance à une groupe déterminé ". La définition ne fait pas bien entendu la liste exhaustive tous les préjugés, car ils sont nombreux variés et infondés, l'exemple donné est fort bien choisi mais il reste un exemple parmi d'autres .
Quant à la"figuration dans le dictionnaire" je te rappelle qu'en principe ce qui est écrit en italique est une indication à titre d'exemple qui vient expliquer la définition :" attitude d'hostilité systématique à l'égard d'une catégorie des personnes en raison de leur appartenance à une groupe déterminé ". La définition ne fait pas bien entendu la liste exhaustive tous les préjugés, car ils sont nombreux variés et infondés, l'exemple donné est fort bien choisi mais il reste un exemple parmi d'autres .
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
http://www.catherinegil.com
http://www.catherinegil.com
Je connais assez bien le Maroc pour y avoir vécu quelques temps et pour y revenir au moins une fois par ans et ce que tu dis là est tout à fait représentatif de la réalité . Encore qu'il faut à mon avis, au jour d'aujourd'hui, faire une distinction entre le hidjab qui correspond à un voeux personnel et le "foulard" qui est plus un effet de mode . Dans toutes les grandes villes du Maroc, Casa, Rabat, Fez, Méknés, on voit partout depuis deux ou trois ans de très jolies boutiques de luxe qui se sont ouvertes et qui vendent de très très jolis grands foulards en soie ou laine et soie etc ... au couleurs très chatoyantes que les femmes portent volontiers, quelquefois même deux l'un sur l'autre, et qui sont d'avantage une parure qu'un signe religieux . Je m'en suis acheté un que je mets comme un châle ou une écharpe, mais lorsque je l'ai acheté la vendeuse n'a pas hésité, malgré mes cheveux blonds, mon apparence plutôt nordique et mes vêtement tout sauf traditionnels, à me faire voir comment il se porte en" foulard" et je serais bien étonnée qu'elle ait pensé un seul instant que j'étais une nouvelle convertie 😄 .
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
http://www.catherinegil.com
http://www.catherinegil.com
que la seule chose qui les réunit, c'est l'appartenance religieuse, puisqu'ils n'ont ni la même origine ethnique, ni la même langue, ni la même culture
Mais c'est faux, on dirait que tu ne fréquentes pas de juifs. J'ai des amis juifs, religieux, athées et même cathos et je peux t'assurer qu'ils ont un fort sentiment d'appartenance à la judéité, nonobstant leur religion.
En Israël, une partie importante de la population est athée et pourtant, ils sont bien juifs.
Au Liban, une partie de la population est musulmane, une autre chrétienne, ils sont tous libanais.
Certains en France ont le tort de confondre "arabe" et "musulman", tout simplement parce que la grande majorité des musulmans français sont arabes, mais pour les gens comme nous qui voyageons, cette confusion est une grosse erreur. Le pays au monde qui compte le plus de musulmans est l'Indonésie.
Mais c'est faux, on dirait que tu ne fréquentes pas de juifs. J'ai des amis juifs, religieux, athées et même cathos et je peux t'assurer qu'ils ont un fort sentiment d'appartenance à la judéité, nonobstant leur religion.
En Israël, une partie importante de la population est athée et pourtant, ils sont bien juifs.
Au Liban, une partie de la population est musulmane, une autre chrétienne, ils sont tous libanais.
Certains en France ont le tort de confondre "arabe" et "musulman", tout simplement parce que la grande majorité des musulmans français sont arabes, mais pour les gens comme nous qui voyageons, cette confusion est une grosse erreur. Le pays au monde qui compte le plus de musulmans est l'Indonésie.
bonjour,
C'est bien de rappeler que des femmes ont accédé au plus hautes charges dans des sociétés musulmanes, mais c'est plus le reflet d'une transmission clanique du pouvoir qu'une réelle promotion de la femme dans ces sociétés... car pour le reste à moins d'être sourd, borgne et aveugle!
Si tu m'avais lue sans ..... préjuger 😉, tu aurais remarqué que dans mon post de ce matin 14 / 02 à 9H19 à la fin de mon 1°§ :
" Que chaque individu de ce groupe, qui représente des millions de personnes soit, personnellement et individuellement croyant ou pas "
Le propre du racisme au sens -2- c'est d'englober dans un groupe et de porter un jugement systématiquement négatif, des personnes, en niant leur individualité propre. les jeunes comme si tous les jeunes étaient identiques, les femmes , ou pire la femme, comme s'il n'y en avait qu'une ou les Musulmans comme si tous les Maghrébins étaient Musulmans, ou comme s'il n'y avait pas plusieurs façons d'être ou de pratiquer l'Islam . les Juifs comme si justement tous les juifs avaient la même origine, et étaient tous pratiquants. Je n'ai jamais dit que le racisme était rationnel ce que je veux absolument faire ressortir c'est que le racisme réunit en gros paquets dans un même préjugé pouvant aller jusqu'à la haine, tous ceux qu'il ne comprend pas ou qui lui font peur, en niant, précisément à tous ceux qu'il réunit dans ce gros paquet à tort, le droit à leur individualité.
Le propre du racisme au sens -2- c'est d'englober dans un groupe et de porter un jugement systématiquement négatif, des personnes, en niant leur individualité propre. les jeunes comme si tous les jeunes étaient identiques, les femmes , ou pire la femme, comme s'il n'y en avait qu'une ou les Musulmans comme si tous les Maghrébins étaient Musulmans, ou comme s'il n'y avait pas plusieurs façons d'être ou de pratiquer l'Islam . les Juifs comme si justement tous les juifs avaient la même origine, et étaient tous pratiquants. Je n'ai jamais dit que le racisme était rationnel ce que je veux absolument faire ressortir c'est que le racisme réunit en gros paquets dans un même préjugé pouvant aller jusqu'à la haine, tous ceux qu'il ne comprend pas ou qui lui font peur, en niant, précisément à tous ceux qu'il réunit dans ce gros paquet à tort, le droit à leur individualité.
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
http://www.catherinegil.com
http://www.catherinegil.com
Je laisse tomber (soupir épuisé), mais tu ne m'as pas convaincu du tout.
Au moins les autres lecteurs pourront lire des avis différents.
Tu n'es pas obligé de lire non plus, je te le rappelle.
1- Je n'ai pas dit que ces caricatures étaient racistes en tant que telles, j'ai dit et je maintiens que ces caricatures et surtout, par dessus tout, le boucan qui est fait autour, surtout en France, réveillait des comportements racistes, propres à mettre tous les Maghrébins dans le même panier, qu'ils soient ou non pratiquants .
2- J'ai dit que se laisser manipuler par médias interposés et en rajouter à plaisir au nom d'une "liberté d'expression", donnait l'opportunité aux intégristes, qui eux sont dangereux, de parvenir à leurs fins à savoir : faire considérer leur religion comme une force et un interlocuteur politique, ce qui ne doit jamais au grand jamais être si on veut préserver la laïcité.
3 - Je dis aussi, et je suis loin d'être la seule à le dire sur ce forum maintenant, que tous les musulmans pratiquants hommes, n'avaient pas des comportements de tortionnaires et que toutes les femmes musulmanes pratiquantes n'étaient pas des victimes de leurs pères, frères, époux.
4 - Je me suis aussi interrogée, sur le fait que justement, ce soit encore et toujours, la façon de s'habiller des femmes, qui stigmatisait les préjugés, comme si les femmes étaient nées pour être des victimes, comme si, les "fashion victimes" n'étaient pas elles aussi d'une certaine façon des "victimes", inconscientes qui plus est et comme si, pour finir, les choix des femmes, ne pouvaient et ne devaient jamais être rien d'autre, que des choix visant soit à la soumission, soit à la séduction.
Si maintenant après tous ces échanges tu es d'accord avec ça, tant mieux . Mais moi, je n'ai pas changé d'orientation depuis le début de cette conversation et je n'ai lu aucun argument susceptible de me faire changer d'avis.
Si maintenant après tous ces échanges tu es d'accord avec ça, tant mieux . Mais moi, je n'ai pas changé d'orientation depuis le début de cette conversation et je n'ai lu aucun argument susceptible de me faire changer d'avis.
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
http://www.catherinegil.com
http://www.catherinegil.com
Dans la terminologie bouddhiste, on appelle ca le LACHER PRISE............!🏴☠️
"Le patriotisme c'est l'esclavage"
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Mais les avis différents sont extrêmement utiles pour justement se faire une idée personnelle et un jugement individuel.
Contrairement à Sadim, je crois au contraire que c'est bien que cette discussion ait eu lieu. Elle à permis à chacun de préciser autant pour lui même que pour les autres ses idées.
Bon, je viens de répondre aussi à Nakata et je crois que j'ai tout dit 😄 C'est Sadim qui va être content !
Contrairement à Sadim, je crois au contraire que c'est bien que cette discussion ait eu lieu. Elle à permis à chacun de préciser autant pour lui même que pour les autres ses idées.
Bon, je viens de répondre aussi à Nakata et je crois que j'ai tout dit 😄 C'est Sadim qui va être content !
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
http://www.catherinegil.com
http://www.catherinegil.com
C'est vrai mais tiens tes promesses!
J'ai écrit "je laisse tomber" à catherineGil, je tiendrai cette promesse. A toi, je n'ai rien promis, mais je vais me reposer un peu avant, et puis partir en voyage. Après tout, c'est pour ça que je suis inscrit sur VF.
J'ai écrit "je laisse tomber" à catherineGil, je tiendrai cette promesse. A toi, je n'ai rien promis, mais je vais me reposer un peu avant, et puis partir en voyage. Après tout, c'est pour ça que je suis inscrit sur VF.
Bonjour Nil,
Et pourtant Nil j'ai bien fait la distinction entre les deux.Nous parlions de la burqa, elle portée par qui d'apres toi??Je ne l'aime pas et si oui des femmes ont le choix de porter le voile, pour moi un voile n'est pas une longue burqa.NB:l'ami de mon ami s'est converti a l'islam pour se marier avec sa copine.Il vaut autant que ta copine "qui t'a dit que"et mon bac vaut le tien.
A+
Et pourtant Nil j'ai bien fait la distinction entre les deux.Nous parlions de la burqa, elle portée par qui d'apres toi??Je ne l'aime pas et si oui des femmes ont le choix de porter le voile, pour moi un voile n'est pas une longue burqa.NB:l'ami de mon ami s'est converti a l'islam pour se marier avec sa copine.Il vaut autant que ta copine "qui t'a dit que"et mon bac vaut le tien.
A+
Anaïs.
Bonjour,
En effet, je ne suis jamais allée au Pakistan, tu vois ce n'est pas de la discrimination mais il ya beaucoup de pays a visiter avant celui-la je trouve.Mais je doute que la société pakistanaise donne une place de choix a la femme, ou alors ca serait la premiere fois que je l'entends.Ceci dit, relis mes posts, je ne critique pas les soci étés musulmanes, mais l'islam en occident.Qui semble en effet différent des pays musulmans, souvent laiques, donc qui réduise la loi coranique.
A+
En effet, je ne suis jamais allée au Pakistan, tu vois ce n'est pas de la discrimination mais il ya beaucoup de pays a visiter avant celui-la je trouve.Mais je doute que la société pakistanaise donne une place de choix a la femme, ou alors ca serait la premiere fois que je l'entends.Ceci dit, relis mes posts, je ne critique pas les soci étés musulmanes, mais l'islam en occident.Qui semble en effet différent des pays musulmans, souvent laiques, donc qui réduise la loi coranique.
A+
Anaïs.
Ah bon et je ne peux pas devenir juive
Hé non, tu peux te convertir au judaïsme, mais tu ne peux pas devenir juive. Le caractère de juif se transmet par la mère, ce qui explique pourquoi les hommes juifs qui tiennent à ce que leurs enfants le soient aussi doivent épouser une juive. J'ai eu un copain juif qui m'a expliqué tout ça. Il avait une copine goï (non juive) qu'il aimait beaucoup, mais il ne pouvait envisager de l'épouser. Oui, c'est compliqué.
Hé non, tu peux te convertir au judaïsme, mais tu ne peux pas devenir juive. Le caractère de juif se transmet par la mère, ce qui explique pourquoi les hommes juifs qui tiennent à ce que leurs enfants le soient aussi doivent épouser une juive. J'ai eu un copain juif qui m'a expliqué tout ça. Il avait une copine goï (non juive) qu'il aimait beaucoup, mais il ne pouvait envisager de l'épouser. Oui, c'est compliqué.
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Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
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No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
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We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
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Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
Hi there,
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
Hi there, I’ve been traveling for 18 years now, at least 6 months a year, and as the years go by, I actually enjoy coming back to France more and more—a feeling I struggled with at first. I mean, we always think the grass is greener elsewhere.
But in the end, I find meaning in that saying about how there’s no place like home. I still love traveling just as much, but now my trips are shorter, and I enjoy spending more time in our beautiful country, even though I don’t hesitate to criticize it.
How about you? How do you handle coming back from your travels?
A few years ago, I went with a group of friends to lend a hand at a small rural school near Thiès, Senegal.
It was a relaxed but hardworking atmosphere—hands in the mortar, laughter, exchanges, and everything that a COOPERATION project can bring.
Today, the little project is flying on its own.
Wanting to explore Senegal’s riches, we set off for some tourism in the Siné Saloum. One girl in our group fell ill (a malaria attack), and we decided to take her to see a doctor at a large tourist complex nearby. Despite her condition, we had to "show our credentials" (if I may say so) just to get in. She was treated and has been fine since.
This "stop" at a Club Med-style resort with a Teutonic twist—resembling Le Grau-du-Roi but fancier—was a horror show for us: pools, massive artificial basins dyed blue, pink, or green (!!!!), animators shouting around wet T-shirt contests or coconut tree climbing, and sunburned (or sun-pinked) *toubabs*. The entire hotel was surrounded by a huge wall, behind which a small souvenir-seller slum had sprung up, worthy of Dakar’s outer neighborhoods. On leaving, we saw a minibus of guests returning from an "excursion," loaded with masks, fabrics, and djembés—African souvenirs? Maybe those will be *theirs*? What impression did the kids clustered at the hotel gates get? What about the Black servers in "traditional African costumes," serving cocktails and ice cream nonstop?
For me, who experienced Africa very young and in the bush, this remains a haunting image.
On VF, this kind of vacation doesn’t seem to be the norm among users, and that’s exactly why I signed up.
Have you ever experienced this kind of interstellar travel? Do you understand the Martians? Are their motivations peaceful?
Wanting to explore Senegal’s riches, we set off for some tourism in the Siné Saloum. One girl in our group fell ill (a malaria attack), and we decided to take her to see a doctor at a large tourist complex nearby. Despite her condition, we had to "show our credentials" (if I may say so) just to get in. She was treated and has been fine since.
This "stop" at a Club Med-style resort with a Teutonic twist—resembling Le Grau-du-Roi but fancier—was a horror show for us: pools, massive artificial basins dyed blue, pink, or green (!!!!), animators shouting around wet T-shirt contests or coconut tree climbing, and sunburned (or sun-pinked) *toubabs*. The entire hotel was surrounded by a huge wall, behind which a small souvenir-seller slum had sprung up, worthy of Dakar’s outer neighborhoods. On leaving, we saw a minibus of guests returning from an "excursion," loaded with masks, fabrics, and djembés—African souvenirs? Maybe those will be *theirs*? What impression did the kids clustered at the hotel gates get? What about the Black servers in "traditional African costumes," serving cocktails and ice cream nonstop?
For me, who experienced Africa very young and in the bush, this remains a haunting image.
On VF, this kind of vacation doesn’t seem to be the norm among users, and that’s exactly why I signed up.
Have you ever experienced this kind of interstellar travel? Do you understand the Martians? Are their motivations peaceful?