Sumatra Questions: Domestic Flights and Route Direction
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Oh wow, it looks amazing in terms of "Environment"! 1-We're getting lazier and lazier 2- Winter in the Vercors always feels a bit long... A few relaxed hikes and some snorkeling would be perfect... From what I gather, it's not too crowded or polluted... I guess the fact that it's still a bit tricky to get to—even if it's easier and faster now—must help keep mass tourism at bay. Good thing! Though I'm not sure my wife would easily pull off your "costume" like in the photo ;) Is a swimsuit allowed?

Personally, I'd be up for it... What's the closest "aérodrome"? Banda Aceh, I assume?
SO Solene40 Globetrotter ·
Yes, a flight from Banda Aceh and then less than 2 hours by boat. I tried out this kind of "outfit" for a trip to India, thinking it would be super uncomfortable, but now I’m a total fan—it’s so comfy (super loose, well-ventilated clothes where I can sit in any position without worrying about showing my underwear 😄). For bikinis, it’s simple: not recommended in public, but locals don’t go to the beaches 😐. We’d stop at guesthouses to eat and ask if it was a problem. They always said no, and I swam every day without being hassled—guess Sharia isn’t what it used to be 😏! !
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Some of the photos posted are far from selling the dream, especially for a beach getaway...

This certainly explains why tourists go elsewhere.

For locals, sharia means this.

That’s just as much of a dream-killer...
SO Solene40 Globetrotter ·
Aaaah, I was waiting for you, Agnès! 😄 Yes, I’ve read articles like that before. But I’m just sharing what I saw and experienced there firsthand. And honestly, I was really surprised by how independent women were—nothing like what I’d read from my couch! For the rest, I don’t judge cultures that are so different from mine. Over there, they flog people; here, we lock humans up for loooong periods just because they weren’t born in the right place!! Personally, I’d take 100 cane strokes over months of imprisonment (yes, I know they’re called "detention centers"—sounds nicer 😒). Anyway, if you know of a perfect country, I’m all ears! 😉
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I don’t know why, but there are more flows of political or religious refugees heading to Europe than to Indonesia...

Personally, I’d rather not have to deal with religious extremists who don’t like anyone—not even themselves—and who destroy all the world’s beauty because they can’t dominate it.

Sharia isn’t a culture. It’s a form of oppression.

Indonesian Muslim culture used to be a mix of a soft Islam and ancestral traditions.

Now it’s turning into brainless Islamism, imported from the Arabian Peninsula—the most dangerous colonizers that exist.
SO Solene40 Globetrotter ·
Like always, Agnès, I’m just sharing what I experienced during the 7 days we spent in the Banda Aceh province. We were without a guide, I rode a scooter alone several times, and I didn’t come across any "brainless Islamists" (we even had beers every night—enough said 😄). But I don’t doubt for a second that they exist! It’s just that the reality on the ground is way more nuanced than the image portrayed of this part of the world. But if you’ve read or seen it on TV, you probably know more than I do.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I could never agree with you on this.

Naivety isn’t one of my flaws.

Besides, I’ve traveled to Indonesia a few times. And I met locals complaining about the grip of Islamists on their country.

But since I wasn’t wearing Islamic attire, maybe they felt more at ease and opened up?

I really liked this Muslim Indonesian wandering around a Buddhist site and making an offering to gods that weren’t normally his.

When I asked him about it, he replied:

"Gods who built such monuments must have great power. It’s important not to get on their bad side."

Enough said.
SO Solene40 Globetrotter ·
But there’s no need to agree or disagree, Agnès. I’m not saying Islamic extremism doesn’t exist—I’m just saying I didn’t feel it more there than anywhere else, whether in Indonesia or in Casamance, where I just came from. The reality on the ground is far less black-and-white than what we’re told. And since, for me, being a bit naive is a quality LOL, I’ll pile on with June, the manager of "our" guesthouse "made in Sharia" 😄

AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Your photos really made me feel it. That’s why we’ll never agree on the topic of religious pressure.

And if there isn’t any, does that mean all those people being publicly whipped is just theater, something made up? Would you recommend the destination to a gay couple?
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
You’ll also find in this discussion what a long-term Indonesia resident thinks about this topic.
SO Solene40 Globetrotter ·
Really Agnès, you’re not reading what I write, and I’m not trying to "sell" you anything 😅. I’m not in denial about this Islamic extremism—I’m just saying I didn’t see it with my own eyes while I was there, which isn’t the same thing. And I wouldn’t recommend this destination to overly affectionate couples (gay or straight), women in mini shorts, "vacationers," or... well, I wouldn’t recommend it to many people, actually 😅—except to Djalma and those whose curiosity about difference outweighs their preconceptions
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Those last words don’t make any sense at all. There’s no bias since even you advise against the destination for people who’d want to come as they are. That just shows there’s an issue.😇
SO Solene40 Globetrotter ·
Definition of 'a priori': "based on information prior to experience."

So there are those who’ve read things and will never go there, and those who prefer to see for themselves if the reality on the ground matches what they’ve been told.

That’s all I wanted to say
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
So there are those who have read things and will never go there, and there are those who prefer to see for themselves if the reality on the ground matches what they’ve been told.

That’s all I wanted to say.

Yeah, just like in every aspect of life, it’s the experience—the actual lived reality—that really matters. Besides, strange customs and traditions we might call barbaric aren’t exclusive to any one religion. They exist among peoples we not long ago still labeled as primitive. With the globalization of lifestyles and modernism, all of that will fade away quickly. We might even celebrate that—if the dark, unhealthy side of religion didn’t drag its vital, luminous energy down into the abyss with it. Hard to explain that to people who only rely on their brains and rational intelligence to understand life. Some travel just to see beautiful landscapes and take nice photos… and to enjoy a drink on a terrace with a view. The local population, with their religion, festivals, and customs? If they didn’t exist—or if we could avoid them—it’d be ideal. I once heard someone say: Corsica would be so beautiful… without the Corsicans!
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
There are those who prefer not to fund extremism, and those who prefer to think about the people who don’t have the choice to live their lives as they’d like where they live.

Besides, you haven’t convinced me that what’s written in various newspapers I’ve read on sites like Amnesty International, or the testimonies of people living there, isn’t reality. My own experience in Indonesia also tips the scales. 🙂

I think we’ve covered the topic thoroughly—we won’t convince each other.

Still, our exchange will have the benefit of showing readers of this thread the different sides of this Potemkin village that is Pulau Weh.

This case isn’t unique, by the way. To attract tourists and their money, a few exceptions to the dictatorial program are always welcome.

(I felt like I was interning at LFi—it was pretty funny. 😄)
SO Solene40 Globetrotter ·
Ah, thanks Jean Michel—I thought I’d lost my French, but you totally got what I meant! 😉

The upside of a destination like this, beyond being wild and untouched, is that the few other tourists you meet "speak the same language" as us: they’re more about curiosity and understanding what they see than judging it.

But I’m kinda glad Islam is so demonized in France (even though it’s so diverse) because right now, it’s the only thing keeping mass tourism out of these stunning places.

Just got back from Gambia/Casamance, where I spent a few days hanging out with "Muslim Rastas" (that’s how they describe themselves!).

Sure, they don’t drink alcohol... but man, do they smoke marijuana! 😂 !
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Living among a population, sharing good times with the people you meet, and approving of a country's politics or religious rules are two very different things in my eyes. If we had to take those factors into account, we'd never go anywhere. In the US—a civilized country—death row inmates wait in prison for 15 years for their execution, which is constantly postponed... they also execute the mentally ill and minors... Between going to Pulau Weh or an all-inclusive in the Maldives, my choice is quick... yet the rules governing those two places are quite similar. The fear of being arrested, kidnapped, or falling victim to a terrorist attack—I get it... I now avoid certain countries I visited without worry when I was younger. Will you tell us about Senegal? When you mention the rastas, one country comes to mind: Belize]😉
SO Solene40 Globetrotter ·
Yeah, that’s right, same here Jean Michel. To be honest, I’d planned to tell you all about Sumatra, but given the vibe, I’ll hold off 😅. Casamance might go down better, though—with its Islam that’s pretty tolerant of drugs and prostitution 😏.

(Belize has already caught my eye, but we’ve never taken the plunge!)
MA Marifb Veteran ·
I know a place where you could share that, Solène40... and we’d be *really* interested...
SO Songsam Veteran ·
I know a place where you could tell us about that, Solène40... and we’d be *really* interested...

That’s pretty sneaky of you...

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