Mon ami est entré au Maroc à la mi-avril avec un passeport Suisse valide.
Ce dernier est en revanche arrivé à échéance le 31 mai dernier.
Il comptait en principe se rendre en Espagne en empruntant une travesée "direct ferries" de Tanger à Tarifa.
Je crois savoir que sur le sol Européen un passeport échu depuis moins de cinq ans permet de se dépalcer sans problème, mais je craind que la sortie du Maroc ne lui soit problématique.
Pensez vous qu'il puisse avoir des difficultés à quitter le pays?
Et si oui, auriez vous une solution à me proposer?
c'est simple pour sortir du territoire marocain il doit se rendre au consulat suisse au Maroc, le consulat va lui faire une "prorogation" du passeport pour permettre de rendre valde le passeport encore quelques temps (15jours souvent) le temps que votre ami sorte du Maroc.
cette procédure est souvent payante, et prend un peu de temps selon les consulats.
je lui conseille de ne pas perdre de temps, cela evitera les probleme.
Je sais qu'il était au courant de cette possibilité de procédure, mais comptais justement s'en abstenir et se présenter à la douane sans demander son reste.
L'inquiétude vient en faite de ma part.
et bi s'il tombe sur un policier qui est pas dans son jour on peut le faire chier.
donc pourquoi ne pas faire proroger son passeport point barre.
faut pas chercher la merde et compliquer la situation.
Ce n'est jamais une bonne idée de voyager avec un passeport périmé pour commencer.
on peut l'empêcher de prendre son vol, par exemple, et l'envoyer se refaire faire son passeport à son Consulat.
Bien sûr, il y a toujours le solution du pas vu pas pris, mais il ne faut pas venir pleurer si ça ne marche pas. C'est comme quand on stationne 20 fois où c est interdit sans ramasser de PV, et à la 21ème on est pris : le stationnement est toujours interdit !
Outre le fait de lui faire aussi lourdement la morale.... On peut peut-être suggérer d'utiliser sa carte d'identité ; si elle est valide, ça devrait convenir, même si le passeport a été utilisé à l'entrée.
Loin de moi l'idée de faire la morale à qui que ce soit !
Quand à la CNI, je ne sais, car il est je crois de nationalité Suisse et je ne connais pas la réglementation dans ce cas. On ne sait même pas s'il a une CNI.
La réglementation est similaire pour un Suisse et un Français dans ce cas de la CNI ; disons que je pense qu'une CNI valide doit faire passer une petite péremption du passeport.
L'entrée et la sortie du Maroc s'effectuent avec la meme piece d'identité !
Soit le passeport ou le numéro d'identification est inscrit.
Soit la CNI, avec en pièce jointe le carton délivré à l'entrée avec ce meme numéro.
La sortie avec un pass périmé ne m'inquièterait pas (en tant que francais, d'age mur, sans critères extérieurs qui aident à un controle plus approfondi), en sortant je présente toujours mon pass ouvert à la page ou mon numéro marocain apparait, et il est rare qu'il soit feuilleté, sauf rarement pour un petit coup d'oeil à la photo.
Par contre je n'oserais pas tenter l'entrée ! mais la PAF en France aurait déja du m'interdire d'embarquer et la compagnie d'enregistrer.
" L'entrée et la sortie du Maroc s'effectuent avec la meme piece d'identité !
Soit le passeport ou le numéro d'identification est inscrit.
Soit la CNI, avec en pièce jointe le carton délivré à l'entrée avec ce meme numéro. "
Oui, je sais bien...
Je propose qu'il fasse comme tu dis, et si problème il peut toujours s'appuyer sur sa CNI valide.....
A mon avis ça ne doit pas poser de problème insoluble.
Oui, ..... Mais, ........... inch Allah, .........
Qui pourrait affirmer quoique ce soit dans ce pays si peu cartésien ???
Surtout que j'ai cru comprendre qu'il transitait par Tanger, ou le passeport est impératif, pas de dérogation CNI en transport terrestre ou maritime (quelques exceptions pour les TO autocars espagnols ).
En tout cas, si le pass est périmé depuis un mois, et que ce n'est pas envisagé ou meme réparé au niveau du consulat, c'est qu'il y a un chouia de laisser aller quelque part.
Ce sujet est il toujours d'ailleurs d'actualité, cela ne concernait meme pas le titulaire en direct!
Sujet peut etre lancé dans le vide.
Cela me semble pourtant clair ; normalement la personne concernée n'aurait pas dû pouvoir entrer dans le pays avec un passeport d'une durée de validité inférieure au séjour prévu... La police n'aurait pas dû le laisser entrer, la compagnie aérienne s'il est venu en avion n'aurait pas dû le laisser embarquer...
Maintenant, comme je vous l'ai dit dès le départ, il faut aller au consulat ; ou alors tenter de passer comme ça.
J'ai appris ici à me méfier des messages et demandes d'informations postées au nom de quelqu'un d'autre.
Et je comprend également mieux la raison de votre incompréhension quand à cette notion de durée. Dans le cas de mon ami, il n'avait pas prévu de durée determinée à son voyage, mais étais effectivement censé rentré avant la date d'échéance.
Je lui ai envoyé un lien pour qu'il puisse prendre connaissance des diverses pistes proposées ici ainsi. Merci donc et portez vous bien.
En principe, comme un Suisse n'a pas besoin de visa pour aller au Maroc, la sortie du pays avec un passeport périmé depuis moins de 6 mois ne devrait pas poser de problème (on peut toujours expliquer avoir prolongé son voyage au-delà de la date prévue). Toutefois, pour plus de sûreté, un petit coup de fil à l'ambassade de Suisse peut toujours s'avérer utile... Mais cela reste finalement une affaire qui concerne essentiellement les autorités marocaines. L'entrée en Suisse ne posera bien entendu aucun problème, pas plus que l'entrée en Espagne et en France, ces deux pays acceptent des passeports bien au-delà de la limite de leur validité, qui est de plus très rarement contrôlée.
Bon retour à ton ami et amitiés
Marianne
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