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Article "le tourisme autrement" (sommaire)

by Detchen

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Detchen
RegularTerre · 103 posts
Bonjour,

Je suis tombée sur le sommaire en ligne de la Revue "Alternatives Economiques", sur le tourisme, voici pour information, le copier-collé du sommaire :

"Le tourisme autrement"

Sommaire détaillé

Editorial Voyager autrement Le tourisme « autrement » a le vent en poupe. Parce que nous sommes de plus en plus nombreux à vouloir ne plus bronzer idiots. Et parce que nous aspirons à passer des vacances plus actives, plus enrichissantes et plus originales, qui nous permettent d’être hors des hordes, pour quelques jours ou pour quelques semaines. Le tourisme « autrement », c’est aussi la volonté d’occuper notre temps de loisirs de manière plus éthique, sans – trop – détruire la planète, tirer profit des inégalités Nord-Sud ou piétiner la culture de l’autre.

Le tourisme et son impact Touriste contre voyageur ? « Un tourisme qui enrichit les riches » entretien avec Georges Cazes Comment faire du tourisme un outil de développement (durable) ? Les réponses de Georges Cazes qui milite pour l’application de seuils, selon les capacités de charge des destinations. Outil ou frein au développement Des saisonniers corvéables à merci Un impact environnemental corrosif Quand durable rime avec local

Chartes et labels Quelques définitions Les textes institutionnels sur le tourisme durable Les chartes clés du tourisme social Les chartes éthiques Les chartes des acteurs équitables et solidaires Les labels environnementaux

Se repérer dans l’offre de voyages • Les tour-opérateurs généralistes Accor Asia Clio Club Méditerranée Donatello Fram Kuoni Look voyages Nouvelles frontières Pierre et Vacances Selectour Thomas Cook VVF Vacances • Les opérateurs du tourisme social Arvel Voyages Fédération unie des auberges de jeunesse UCPA UFCV VAL et VVF Villages • Les spécialistes de l’aventure Allibert montagnes et déserts Atalante La Balaguère Explorator Voyageurs • Le tourisme rural Accueil paysan Agriturist (en Italie) Confédération nationale des foyers ruraux Fédération nationale du sport en milieu rural Gîtes de France • L’écotourisme A pas de loup, des volontaires pour la nature La Burle La Clef verte Hôtels au naturel Gîtes Panda Saïga Stations vertes • Le tourisme solidaire LVT-Les Amis de Mamadou et du Sénégal Les Amis de Tamnougalt La Case d’Alidou Chemins solidaires Centre d’échanges et de voyages internationaux pour études de développement Couleurs sensations Croq’nature et Amitié franco-touareg Conseils en voyages solidaires Départs Djembé Ecotours Passages-voyage Palabres sans frontières La Posada San Rafael Point-Afrique Rencontres au bout du monde La Route des sens Tourisme et développement solidaires Terres lointaines autrement Vision du monde Voyager autrement… • Les initiatives étrangères Les campements villageois de Casamance, au Sénégal Mass Education, en Inde Le tandem Al Jord/Mada, au Liban Village Ahémé, au Bénin

Agir pour un autre tourisme Conseils pratiques pour voyager autrement Le relais des comités d’entreprise Monter un projet de tourisme solidaire Les pouvoir publics, acteurs du tourisme durable Les indicateurs de durabilité

Bibliographie

Index

Guide pratique n° 18, mars 2005, 9, 75 euros port inclus Tarif réduit à partir de 4 exemplaires : nous consulter Mots clés : tourisme solidaire, tourisme équitable, responsabilité sociale des tours-opérateurs

Bon, je n'ai lu tous les articles, que ceux qui sont en ligne, ça nous concerne un brin quand même. Bonne journée

Dertchen
Le plus grand voyageur est celui qui a su faire une fois le tour de lui-même (Confucius) voilà ça continue, sous ma tente aux cinq couleurs...
TA Tanss Globetrotter ·
On pourra pondre toutes les chartres que l'on voudra et faire de la surenchère de labels, à la sortie le "tourisme autrement" c'est le client qui le fera par son attitude.

J'ai travaillé comme guide pour une trentaine d'agences. J'ai vu des personnes à l'attitude irréprochable avec des agences qui à priori ne s'embarassent pas de ce genre de considération. Et j'ai dû promener des personnes totalement irrespectueuses pour le compte d'agences dites "solidaires" ou "équitables".

Toutes ces étiquettes me font un peu sourire.
KL Kl4k2ttt2 Veteran ·
Merci du lien en tout cas, c'est excactement le thème du Master dans lequel je m'engage à la prochaine rentre universitaire...🙂
DE Detchen Regular ·
Oui, je suis de ton avis, tout est dans l'attitude individuelle. Et les étiquettes labels sont la plupart du temps des outils markketing comme tu le démontres.

Mais peut-être, aussi, que d'en parler et de légiférer peut faire chager un petit peu les attitudes qui ne sont pas respecteuses, car parfois c'est l'effet inverse qui se produit même en matière de législation (exemple loi Evin, la preuve qu'il est interdit d'interdire, surtout en matière de dépendances-addictions), des goutes d'eau par-ci d'autre par là, il n'y a pas de remèdes miracle, c'est sûr et bon chacun fait ce qui lui semble juste et ce qu'il peut quand il arrive à réaliser qu'il est responsable de ses propres actes (en dehors de toute légistalion et de façon naturelle, consciente).

Mais c'est vrai que ceux qui se prêtent à cette attention ne font qu'améliorer ce qu'ils font déjà (quand ils en ont les moyens) et que pour les autres c'est plus dûr d'admettre qu'un autre comportement serait moins nocif pour l'ensemble de la planête (mais bon là je ne parle pas que de tourisme, mais aussi de nos habitudes et attitudes de consommateurs en général). On est un peu myopes parfois.

Detchen
Le plus grand voyageur est celui qui a su faire une fois le tour de lui-même (Confucius) voilà ça continue, sous ma tente aux cinq couleurs...
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Do you want a uniform world with no differences? If so, how do you handle traveling to places with cultures completely different from your own?

In the travel community, the word "authenticity" comes up a lot, and it often takes priority in people’s searches.

In my specific case, speaking a purely regional language without having gone to school for it doesn’t help with understanding on this forum. That’s what creates what you call controversies—and what I call passionate exchanges.

I remember a reply from a member in this thread: https://voyageforum.com/forum/ma-vie-en-camargue-pays-origine-en-colombie-pays-c-ur-d10778555/

It left me speechless and ended the conversation because, for him, that’s just how he sees things, and he refuses to debate it, sticking to his position. I’ll quote him, hoping he won’t hold it against me:

"For me, things like bullfighting, boxing, football, and MMA are just tangible proof that human evolution is still at a primitive stage."

For him, our Latin-origin bullfights are barbaric customs. For us *taurins*, we need to see men face wild beasts (bulls and *toros*) at the risk of their lives every day. Does that make us barbarians?

We’ve always had this need to confront death—it’s in our genes.

Take the example he gave about football: fans of the sport would be considered mentally underdeveloped. But what about a kid who’s passionate about the game and has that drive to be a winner, just like a boxer or athletes in other violent sports?

As a traveler myself, passionate about old stones and beautiful historic buildings, I’ve visited Rome but couldn’t fully appreciate it. Religion is everywhere, and I felt like I had a lead weight on my head realizing that millions of people worldwide have believed in a god for millennia.

I’ve also judged believers for basing their faith on archaic texts that don’t prove a god (or gods) ever existed—I still think that, but I’m open to being proven wrong so I can say, "You’ve convinced me I was mistaken."

- If everyone clings to their own ideas and positions, no discussion is possible, and that’s a shame.

I’ll take away two things from my forum interactions: some accuse me of being omnipresent when I just love exchanging ideas. My way of speaking is misunderstood (regional differences), even if I’ll admit I sometimes turn up the heat—or rather, the *aïoli* —which for me is just lively debates 🔥 (a regional specialty).

And my "mocking" side, which I really need to work on.

This topic isn’t just about me—I hope other forum members will share their own regional "specialties" . For example, in Alsace, some older folks switch to their local language when they don’t want outsiders to understand, and I still don’t know if it’s German or something else.

https://www.marseille-tourisme.com/decouvrez-marseille/traditions/le-parler-marseillais/

https://www.lexpress.fr/informations/accent-du-midi-ave-ou-sans_642635.html
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