Voilà, je prépare donc un gros voyage en Égypte entre le 21 octobre et le 7 novembre. Pas moins de 17 jours pour découvrir ce magnifique pays. La condition importante était que ma femme et moi ne voulions surtout pas de tour opérator. Mais partir par nous mêmes, et éventuellement prendre des excursions organisées depuis les agences locales. Nous ne voulions pas non plus nous limité qu'à la vallée du Nil.
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Voici notre projet :
Le Caire
Jour 1 (Visite de la ville)
Jour 2 (Gizeh)
Jour 3 (Marchés et musées)
Oasis de Bahariya
Jour 4 (découverte de l’oasis et bains)
Jour 5 (Escapade dans le désert noir et gris)
Jour 6 (Désert blanc)
Louxor
Jour 7
Jour 8
Assouan
Jour 9
Jour 10
Jour 11 (matinée à Abou Simbel)
Dahab et Mont Sinaï
Jour 12
Jour 13
Monastère Sainte-Catherine
Jour 14
Jour 15
Retour vers Le Caire
Jour 16
Jour 17 (vol international)
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Voilà, je pense que c'est un bon compromis.
Mes questions étaient les suivantes :
* Un budget de 800 euros (hors Vol international) par personne pour 17 jours est-il suffisant ?
* Mieux vaut-il prendre des dollars ou les euros peuvent s'échanger partout ?
* Quelqu'un peut-il me raconter son expérience dans le désert blanc de Bahariya ou le bus allant de Louxor à Dahab (nous voulons éviter la nuit d'hôtel à Hurgahda ou l'avion trop cher pour Sharm) ?
* 4 jours dans le Sinaï est-ce suffisant ?
* Eventualité de faire Alexandrie ?
* Sinon, est-ce vrai que la pudeur impose de porter des vêtements longs, même au niveau des avants bras ? et pour les femmes, un foulard sur la tête suffit-il ?
* Un budget de 800 euros (hors Vol international) par personne pour 17 jours est-il suffisant ?
Oui.
* Mieux vaut-il prendre des dollars ou les euros peuvent s'échanger partout ?
Euros.
* 4 jours dans le Sinaï est-ce suffisant ?
Trop.
* Eventualité de faire Alexandrie ?
Ceux qui aiment prendront le train.
* Sinon, est-ce vrai que la pudeur impose de porter des vêtements longs, même au niveau des avants bras ? et pour les femmes, un foulard sur la tête suffit-il ?
Pas besoin de foulard... Une tenue ample, normale.
Bonjour, suite ( technique Tatra ...):
Luxor 2j : Beaucoup trop PEU.
Avis général : vous allez tout survoler , Je crains que vous n'y preniez pas beaucoup de plaisir .
Imaginez un égyptien qui voudrait découvrir la France , de Paris à la côte d'Azur , en passant par les grottes du Périgord, la Bretagne, les gorges du Verdon et les châteaux de la Loire , en 17 jours .Maintenant , ce n'est que mon avis ...
Bons projets .
et entre les 2 ??? vous faite le saut de 600 KM à vol d'oiseaux en quelques minutes ??
Louxor 2 jours = bien trop peu
Jour 11 (matinée à Abou Simbel)
idem précédement, vous oubliez la route ...et le temps de la faire .... à moins que vous n'y alliez en avion ?
Dahab et Mont Sinaï
Jour 12
Jour 13
Monastère Sainte-Catherine
Jour 14
Jour 15
vous comptez y faire quoi à Dahab et ste catherine ? car 4 jours paraissent enorme ...
il faut 1 nuit et une journée pour faire le mont moise + le monastere ..le reste sera alors de la plage ou de la méditation dans le coin ?
au final, votre programme me semble bien déséquilibré car ne tiens pas compte des temps de route en plus des visites ... ou trop de temps pour rien d'autre part ...
il me parait important de rééquilibrer votre programme entre J6 et J9 .... et enlever qq chose entre J12 et J15
ou le bus allant de Louxor à Dahab (nous voulons éviter la nuit d'hôtel à Hurgahda ou l'avion trop cher pour Sharm) ?
vous voulez aller entre Assouan et ahab comment ? autant dire que vous remontez toute l"Egypte du sud au nord, puis de l'ouest à l'est ! ce n'est pas un bus mais 2 jours de bus que vous devez compter si vous ne voulez pas prendre au moins 1 avion !
Sinon, est-ce vrai que la pudeur impose de porter des vêtements longs, même au niveau des avants bras ? et pour les femmes, un foulard sur la tête suffit-il ?
rien de spécial pour les femmes (comme pour les hommes) préférer pantacourt plutot que bermuda, tee shirt plutot que débardeur = genoux et épaules couvertes + eviter le trop transparent et trop collant ...
ma tenue de tous les jours = jeans et T shirt (ou pantacourt en été) , et cela va tres bien ...
un foulard sur la tete ou une galabieh pour une non musulmane ou un non egyptien s'apelle un déguisement !!
et serait meme plutot mal pris et mal interprété par certains locaux.
a part pour entrer dans une mosquee ou une tenue tres stricte vous sera recommandée, pas la peine d'en faire de trop !
Je vais donc diminuer la durée du séjour dans le Sinaï pour les répartir sur d'autres jours.
Le Caire
Jour 1
Jour 2
Jour 3
Désert occidental
Jour 4
Jour 5
Jour 6
Louxor / Assouan
Jour 7
Jour 8
Jour 9
Jour 10
Jour 11
Abou Simbel
Jour 12
Départ en avion pour Sharm, puis bus pour Dahab
Jour 13
Mont Sinaï, Sainte-Catherine
Jour 14
Jour 15
Retour vers Le Caire
Jour 16
Jour 17 (vol international)
Concernant la tenue, j'avoue que je suis circonspect. J'ai un ami à moi qui vient de passer 8 mois en Égypte et m'a plutôt conseillé d'éviter le tee-shirt, les tong, et surtout pour les femmes de mettre un truc pour couvrir la tête.
Je commence à me demander maintenant si le soleil ne lui a pas cogné un peu trop fort sur la tête.
Sinon je crois qu'aller simple, Louxor Sharm est aux alentours de 100 euros c'est ça ? Sinon, c'est bus pour Dahab depuis Louxor Via Suez, pour 11 euros (mais 17h de bus dans le désert d'après le Lonely)
Bonjour ,
votre pgm me semble plus équilibré . regardez bien les possibilités de transport .
Je crois que votre ami avait pris trop de soleil ou qu'il voulait rigoler ...
Je résume ce que je fais, sans m'attirer les foudres des gens dans la rue : bien sûr pas de foulard .
Par contre , les tongs , pq pas mais pour marcher longtemps ou dans le sable , je ne suis pas fan.
Jupe sous le genou on pantalon 3/4 un peu large ; dessus : top échancré + chemise en voile , ou bien tee-shirt à manches courtes ou longues . C'est valable en ville . En bord de mer ou à l'hôtel , c'est comme vous voulez .
Attention : pour les hommes aussi , un code !!! Pour ne pas faire rire , un pantalon long ou 3/4 mais pas de bermuda en ville : c'est pour les petits garçons ...
Rien de bien étrange donc .
Bons projets.
Bonsoir
Je ne suis pas très sure que 800 € soient suffisant. En tous cas, pour visiter le désert blanc (forcément en 4x4, au moins pour aller jusque là), c'est à peu près 50 € par nuit par personne. Je connais un guide-chauffeur très fiable et ... très bon cuisinier.
Il y a des bus publics pas chers pour aller du Caire à Bahariya. Mais pour aller du désert blanc à Louxor c'est beaucoup plus compliqué (voir message Hiboue dans rubrique Egypte).
Si vous voulez des infos sur Mohamed le guide, contactez moi.
Cordialement.
Mago
Il y a des bus publics pas chers pour aller du Caire à Bahariya. Mais pour aller du désert blanc à Louxor c'est beaucoup plus compliqué
non pas tres, un peu long, peut etre ?
de farafra a Mout bus pour 25 le
mout a al khargha bus 12le
al khargha a Assyout taxi collectif 12 le
et train pour louxor 36 le
a moins de trouver et de se regrouper pour avoir un vehicule de mout a louxor ou bien de al khargha a louxor (400le!)
Bonjour Alexandre,
Nous n'avons pas visité tous les endroits que tu cites mais tu peux lire le détail de notre voyage ici.
Tu y trouveras aussi notre budget
Bonne lecture!
Marie
Je vais donc diminuer la durée du séjour dans le Sinaï pour les répartir sur d'autres jours.
Le Caire
Jour 1
Jour 2
Jour 3
parfait pour voir l'essentiel
Désert occidental
Jour 4
Jour 5
Jour 6
pour le transport, il y a un train de nuit... cher mais permet d'économiser du temps... entre le caire et louxor ou entre le caire et assouan
Louxor / Assouan
Jour 7
Jour 8
Jour 9
Jour 10
Jour 11
Abou Simbel
Jour 12
vraiment 6 jours pour tout ca ?? etes vous particulierement interesser par les temples et les ruines... c'est superbe c'est vrai, mais apres 3 jours voir 4 pour les plus passionnés... les temples perdent, il me semble, un peu de leur eclat
Départ en avion pour Sharm, puis bus pour Dahab
Jour 13
bus ou taxi, les deux sont possible... un taxi revient a 150 livres egyptienne apres negociation... les bus sont moins chers... mais les horraires plus contraignants
Mont Sinaï, Sainte-Catherine
Jour 14
Jour 15
dahab, c'est la plage eet la relaxation... pour le sinai... des tours s'organise de partout depuis dahab... depart a 11h pm arrive a 1h am a sainte catherine, monte dans la nuit puis lever du jour sur le sinai... descente vers 6h30 am puis visite du monastere, retour a dahb vers 12h pm... tres rapide... environ 90 livres egyptienne par personne.
Sinon je crois qu'aller simple, Louxor Sharm est aux alentours de 100 euros c'est ça ? Sinon, c'est bus pour Dahab depuis Louxor Via Suez, pour 11 euros (mais 17h de bus dans le désert d'après le Lonely)
nous l'avons pris le 25 fevrier, 77 euros... rapide et efficace, si c'etait a refaire, je le reprendrais sans hésiter... il y a aussi l'option ferries de hurghada a sharm puis le bus... mais semble tres long aussi
Bonjour ,
je ne sais pas précisément à qui je réponds ....
mais ne vous tracassez pas : 6 jours à Luxor ET assouan , ce n'est pas trop : il n'y a pas que des temples !!!
Ajoutez à Luxor les merveilleuses tombes de la rive Ouest ( Rois mais aussi Artisans et Nobles ) , une balade à pied de l' unà l'autre dans le désert , à Assouan , des promenades en felouque autour des îles , se laisser porter sur le Nil au coucher du soleil , ... et aussi prendre son temps et voir la vie actuelle du pays : il n' y a pas qu'un ensemble de
"vieilles pierres" , toutes pareilles et où vous vous dites : j'en ai vu 2 , je les ai toutes vues !!!
Hello, my husband and I will be in Egypt this coming November. Cairo seems more challenging to explore without a guide, and we’ll be there for 3 full days. Would anyone have the name of a guide?
Thanks!
Hi, we're looking for a guide to show us around Essaouira.
We're 11 adults and don't want to go through an agency. If you have a contact to help us discover this city, that would be great!
Thanks
I’m heading back to Egypt for the first time in 30 years this July. Last time, I was 20, and we spent two weeks traveling on a shoestring as backpackers.
I’m wondering about a "cruise" on a felucca from Aswan—mainly to avoid being stuck in an air-conditioned tourist bubble (we’re already spending our first week in that setting with our diving club). We’d like to explore the most interesting stretch of the Nile between Aswan and Luxor. Do you have any thoughts on this option, tips, or maybe some contacts?
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili?
If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them.
I didn’t find any info on the forum.
Best,
Here’s a first draft for a 14-night itinerary during the Christmas break with two teens. We’re especially fond of hiking (nothing too extreme, though), which is why we’re drawn to the south.
- Marrakech (2 nights)
- Aït Ben Haddou (1 night)
- Dadès (3 nights, though we’re thinking of doing a day trip to the Todra Gorge on one of those days)
- M'hamid (1 night)
- Erg Chigaga (1 night)
- 4 nights to slot in
- Marrakech (2 nights)
Okay, I realize this involves a lot of driving, and we’re still debating the return route since we’d like to avoid the Tichka Pass in January, but going through Taroudant seems like it would add *a lot* of time. 😕
If you’ve got other suggestions for an itinerary with great hikes, I’m all ears!
Also, the 4 nights total in MRK isn’t really our preference, but since we’re arriving/departing super early from overseas, we’d like to be a bit rested before the long flight.
Another question:
For hikes (aside from the desert one), is it better to have a guide with us, or are the trails well-marked?
Hi everyone,
Our trip to Morocco will be from November 3 to 17, in the High Atlas.
Basically, our route would be:
Marrakech - Aït Benhaddou
Skoura - Tinghir - Merzouga
Merzouga via the N12 to Zagora
Zagora - Draa Valley - Marrakech
It seems to be the low season, so I’d love to travel without having to book accommodations in advance. In other countries, pre-booking has restricted us and kept us from visiting unplanned sites. Freedom is important to us, but I’d also like to avoid arriving somewhere and finding nothing available.
What do you recommend? Book ahead or not?
Your advice is always helpful, and thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me.
Roberto
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Hi, I’d like to head to Morocco next week with my car. I’ve looked online at all the different info about the ferry crossing to Tangier, but I’m finding it really expensive. Is there a way to buy tickets in Spain? Or another way to get the Algeciras–Tangier crossing cheaper? Thanks for any tips or info!
We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April.
What do you think of this rate?
This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available?
-Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)?
-Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?)
- What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!)
- In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid?
- Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country?
- A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you:
- Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why?
- Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies.
- Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car?
- Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years.
Have a great evening,
Roberto
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities.
Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency.
If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling.
We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback!
Safe travels to all,
Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.