Après une super ballade de 6 jours, voilà les petites dernières :
LANGSON
Une curiosité en arrivant à Lang Son : sur la gauche au milieu des rizières, un petit mont calcaire truffé de grottes ; c’est le siège de la culture de l’âge du bronze Ma Pha.
Je savais par mes nombreuses lectures que, du temps des français, Lang Son était imprenable –d’où la honte de son évacuation après le désastre de Dong Khé en octobre 1950- à cause des formidables fortifications dominant la ville. Après de multiples bunker phap o dau ? (« où sont les bunkers français ? »), j’ai fini par trouver, et c’est époustouflant. En plus de la vue magnifique de toute la vallée, même concassés –par les chinois en 1979- les restes sont impressionnants de puissance, avec de gigantesques morceaux de parois de blockhaus de 2-3 mètres d’épaisseur et ses casemates sous-terraines bétonnées. Il faut « admirer » la puissance des explosifs modernes pour projeter en l’air de gigantesques blocs pareils ! Donc, à faire si vous traînez dans le coin… Pour y aller, trouvez la grande rue Trang Hang dans la banlieue ouest de Lang Son puis tourner à gauche sur la petite rue Duong Déo Giang ; elle serpente dans les montagnes (vous en aurez une sur votre gauche avec 2 grandes tours radio) et contourne celle où il y avait le fort, invisible à distance ; à un moment, la route monte et, en plein milieu à droite d’un virage gauche avant un grand panneau indicateur bleu foncé dont les indications sont illisibles, vous avez un petit chemin de terre menant à une aire de parking ; vous marchez en haut du mont, contournez les vestiges du fort pour passer par derrière et grimpez entre des blocs monstrueux jusqu’à la plateforme supérieure.
Pour ceux qui n’ont pas lu mon petit topo sur les évènements d’octobre 1950, revoilà ! J’y ai rajouté le dernier chapitre sur l’opération Hirondelle.
Beaucoup de touristes font la route de Langson à Cao Bang sans trop savoir –ou pas du tout- ce qui s’y est passé en 1950. Et pourtant, le 7 octobre 1950 devrait être une date capitale dans l’histoire du monde moderne : en effet, pour la première fois, un peuple colonisé en rébellion a fait subir à une armée de colonisateurs une défaite sanglante qui, en ce qui concerne la France, a annoncé la conclusion inéluctable, reculée de 4 ans par la bêtise des gouvernements de l’époque : Dien Bien Phu. En fait, la Guerre d’Indochine a été perdue le 7 octobre 1950.
LES ACTEURS:
Du coté asiatique: Ho Chi Minh et Giap, qui sont enfouis dans les calcaires du Nord Est, des bandes Vietminh sans rien, et Mao qui est en train de repousser les troupes de Chang Kai Check sur la frontière sino-vietnamienne.
Du coté français, un gouvernement ignorant tout de l’Indochine, mais aimant beaucoup les milliards qu’elle rapporte, des gros capitalistes installés en Indochine (Banque d’Indochine, Brasseries et Glacières d’Indochine, Michelin -les plantations de caoutchouc- etc.), bien pourris, qui bloquent toutes réformes pour continuer à se remplir les poches, et un Corps Expéditionnaire, les meilleures troupes du monde de l’époque -45% d’anciens SS dans la Légion, tous les Seigneurs de la Guerre qui deviendront célèbres: Bigeard, Jean-Pierre, Faulques, Elie de Saint Marc, Ponchardier (ben oui, le future auteur des romans de la Série Noire “Le Gorille”), Vandenberg, “Le Seigneur du delta”, etc. , anciens résistants ou troupes de la 2e DB de Leclerc et de la 1ère Armée de de Lattre, sans oublier les redoutables guerriers qu’étaient les Tabors marocains. Malheureusement pour eux, ce merveilleux outil militaire est commandé par un crétin complet, mais très doué pour magouiller au Ministère de la Guerre, le Général Carpentier, que de Lattre avait viré pour incompétence en 1944. Cet énergumène considère qu’il n’a à connaître ni le terrain, pourtant capital dans une guerre comme celle-là, ni la troupe : c’est l’affaire des subalternes. Lui, il doit rester dans son bureau climatisé de Saigon et faire des synthèses, superbes rapports bien léchés expliquant au gouvernement que tout allait de mieux en mieux (curieux comme l’histoire se répète ; ce sont les mêmes mensonges perpétrés par les généraux US pendant la Guerre du Vietnam, avec les mêmes résultats). En fait, juste avant le désastre, ce crétin affirmait au gouvernement qu’il “avait la situation bien en main et pourrait vraisemblablement renvoyer des troupes en France sous peu”. Le résultat de cette nullité : en 1950, il n’avait encore jamais mis les pieds au Tonkin, sauf pour une rapide visite de Hanoï.
LE CADRE
Le Nord-Est, qui, à partir de Dong Khé, est un capharnaüm de pics calcaires couverts de jungles et truffés de grottes, sillonnées de petites routes et de pistes qui ne sont que d’immenses coupe-gorges. L’artère principale, c’est la fameuse Route Coloniale No. 4 (RC4) qui longe toute la frontière de Chine de Monkai, au nord de la Baie d’Along, jusqu’à Cao Bang. C’est une route super-stratégique car elle contrôle les 3 seules portes de la Chine au nord du Tonkin: Mon Cai près du Golfe du Tonkin, Lang Son au centre, et Cao Bang au nord-est. Qui la contrôle bloque tout le trafic routier entre la Chine et le Tonkin. De Langson à Dong Khé, à mi-chemin entre Langson et Cao Bang, la route sillonne une vallée bordées de collines cultivées, et ne présente pas de points particulièrement dangereux. A partir de Dong Khé, c’est le coupe-gorge intégral : la route longe la rivière avec, à plomb sur la route à gauche, les pics calcaires couverts de jungle, et à droite, idem sur la rivière. Toute manoeuvre y est impossible. Un petit canon de montagne dans une grotte dominant la route –et il y en a des centaines- détruisant les camions de tête et de queue d’un convoi, et BOOM, plus de convoi. C’est ce que Giap savait bien, et Carpentier pas du tout, vu qu’il n’y avait jamais mis les pieds et, de toute façon, refusait d’écouter les nombreux officiers, eux bien au courant de la situation, qui prédisaient une catastrophe et préconisaient l’évacuation.
LES PREMICES
Début 1950, les troupes de Mao arrivent à la frontière du Vietnam, repoussant les troupes nationalistes au Nord Tonkin, que les français parviennent à désarmer, et en Thaïlande du Nord, où elles s’installent dans le Triangle d’or, et en plus des plantations de thé, organisent le trafic d’opium, dont elles contrôleront 80% de la production mondiale dans les années 60-80. Mao a maintenant récupéré les gigantesques dépôts d’armement américains et les camps du Yunnan, où il invite Giap à former des divisions entières, entraînées et surarmées par ses généraux. Les services secrets français, pas plus nuls que les autres, sont parfaitement au courant de la situation et en informent l’Etat Major, qui ne fait rien à part envoyer la Légion à Cao Bang (le célèbre 2e BEP sous les ordres d’un célèbre guerrier, le Colonel Charton) et dans les postes le long de la RC4, que le Vietminh ne cesse de harceler. Certains convois de ravitaillement perdent jusqu’à 80% de leurs camions entre Dong Khé et Cao Bang.
LE DRAME
Le 17 septembre 1950, c’est le coup de semonce : les viets s’emparent de Dong Khé et coupent la RC4 en deux. Carpentier décide donc de l’évacuer jusqu’à Langson, ce qui était fort possible par pont aérien, mais, toujours aussi futé, il décide que cela se fera….par la route. Son plan est qu’une colonne dirigée par Lepage, un colonel d’artillerie (!!!!) remontera la route à partir de Langson, reprendra Dong Khé, et rencontrera ensuite la colonne de Cao Bang. Donc, tout ce beau plan repose sur le fait que Dong Khé sera repris.
Charton quitte donc Cao Bang en emmenant tous les civils –ce qui explique en grande partie l’échec de l’évacuation, et il le savait mais avait refusé de les abandonner à un sort certain. Bien entendu, rien ne passe comme prévu : Lepage ne peut pas reprendre Dong Khé, malgré l’héroïsme des parachutistes du 3e BPC, et la route reste donc coupée ; de plus, Lepage se fait tronçonner par des Vietminh super-entraînés et, au lieu de secourir Charton, c’est maintenant lui qui lui demande de venir à son secours. Charton quitte la RC4 pour prendre une piste contournant Dong Khé avec ses 2000 civils, dont pas un seul ne réchappera, le rendez-vous des deux colonnes devant se faire dans la petite vallée de Coc Xa. C’est le rendez-vous de la mort. Cerné par le Vietminh, les 2 colonnes y sont anéanties le 7 octobre 1950 -d’où le terme militaire bien connu « se faire coxé ». Une dizaine d’hommes parviendront à rejoindre Langson après avoir erré des semaines dans la jungle ; 2000 morts du côté français, et 3000 prisonniers, quiou connaîtront les terribles camps vietminh dont de Saint Marc, qui a connu les deux, dira qu’ils étaient pires que les camps de concentration nazis; d’ailleurs, plus de 2000 y ont péri ! Seuls quelques officiers et hommes de troupe squelettiques -surtout nord-africains, maintenant bien endoctrinés à la guerre anti-coloniale- seront libérés en 1951 à l’arrivée de Lattre, nommé Commandant en Chef et Gouverneur de l’Indochine, où lui et son fils Bernard laisseront l’un sa santé, et l’autre sa vie sur le piton de No Nuoc à Ninh Binh.
LA HONTE
Après le drame, la honte intégrale, la panique noire des français. Alors que Langson était imprenable, Carpentier décide de l’abandonner « par surprise », donc en ne faisant sauter ni les énormes forts ceinturant la ville, ni les dépôts de tout, qui sont tellement gigantesques qu’ils suffiront à alimenter les troupes de Giap pendant 1 an. De Lattre sauvera la situation en 2 batailles sanglantes : Vin Yenh à l’ouest de Hanoï et Mao Khé au nord, mais, dès le 7 octobre, la guerre est perdue, Giap contrôlant maintenant toute la zone nord-est d’où hommes -y compris de nombreux techniciens chinois et même, de l’avis de beaucoup, des troupes- et surtout convois de ravitaillement passeront sans problème jusqu’à Dien Bien Phu.
UNE PETITE REVANCHE : L’OPÉRATION HIRONDELLE (17 juillet 1953)
Donc, le Vietminh est, depuis 1950, bien retranché dans les formidables fortifications de Lang Son, où ils ont accumulé tout le matériel chinois qu’il faut. En 1953, le général Salan, le meilleur stratège français avec Juin et de Lattre, est commandant-en-chef du Corps Expéditionnaire. Grand spécialiste du coup de poker militaire, il décide d’une opération aéroportée tellement parfaite dans son exécution qu’elle fait encore le sujet d’un enseignement dans les écoles de guerre du monde entier. Le 17 juillet à 8h, 2 bataillons de parachutistes, le 6e BPC de Bigeard et le 8e Choc de Tourret, sautent par surprise sur la ville, foncent sur les grottes où est entassé le matériel vietminh, et en détruisent plus de 5000 tonnes. A 16 heures, tout est terminé et les parachutistes rentrent à Hanoi par la route, accompagnés de centaines de civils Viets pas plus heureux que ça du Paradis Communiste. Fou de rage, le général Giap rappelle ses divisions d’élite pour leur couper la route, mais il est trop tard.
J’ai couché au Van Xuan Hotel, au bord du lac, très bien à 250 000 dong – vanxuanhotel@hn.vnn.vn 0912 190 369 et dîné au célèbre New Century, juste à côté de l’hôtel, où l’invraisemblable carte propose même des abeilles frites et du steak de chameau chinois.
DHONG KHÉ
Il ne reste rien des forts français à part un petit blockhausen moëllons (il faut dire que les chinois ont tout fait sauter tout le long de la frontière quand ils ont évacué la région –moins 50 000 hommes- en 1979). Par contre, à 17 km au nord du bourg, j’ai visité un endroit très intéressant, le QG de Ho Chi Minh et Giap pendant la bataille de la RC4. La très belle route (très bien indiquée par un immense panneau au milieu de Dong Khé), qui sillonne entre les pitons calcaires de la région, arrive dans un petit village où se trouve un beau musée des évènements, avec photos d’époque ; dans la montagne à gauche, couverte de jungle, un immense complexe de grottes abritait le QG ; indétectable par avion ! Un joli détour si vous faites Lang Son – Cao Bang en 1 jour.
CAO BANG, LES CHUTES DE BAN GIOC ET LE LAC THANG HEN
Les locaux sont toujours aussi désagréables ! Même les touristes viets s’en plaignent. A noter que le restaurant Men Quyen, derrière le marché, a changé, et pas en mieux : au lieu de la vieille maison sympa en bois avec terrasse, vous aurez droit à une horreur en béton et verre fumé, mais on y mange toujours très bien : d’ailleurs, vous n’avez pas le choix, c’est lui ou celui de l’hôtel Houang Sen (par contre, si vous aimez les karaoke, il n’y a que l’embarras du choix ; j’en conclue que les locaux préfèrent chanter que bien manger !).
Les chutes sont toujours aussi belles ! Toute la région étant zone militaire, il faut acheter un permis au poste de police de Cao Bang ($10 par véhicule –et non par personne comme à Ha Giang), plus 15 000 dong d’entrée aux chutes. La route est vraiment magnifique et on peut maintenant manger dans un excellent petit restau à côté du parking des chutes. Chose curieuse :depuis la dernière fois que jy étais, il y a 4 ans, grâce à la merveilleuse amitié sino-vietnamienne -ben voyons ! les chinois traversent la rivière pour faire un petit tour au Vietnam sans AK 47.
A noter qu’il y a maintenant un superbe hôtel de maisons thaïes au bord du lac Thang Hen, un détour à faire au retour de Ban Gioc -très grand panneau "khu du lich sinh thai ho thang hen" sur la route principale- avec même un terrain de badmington et une de tennis, apparemment très populaire chez les richards de Cao Bang. 200 000 dong la chambre et un excellent restau. 09 86 53 58 74.
CAO BANG – BAO LAC
Route toujours aussi belle. Et là, j’ai eu une chance inouïe. Le lendemain matin, le chauffeur m’a emmené au marché de Bao Lac ; aussi époustouflant que celui de Bac Ha ! Deux tribus majoritaires : des centaines de Lolo, les femmes avec leur beau costume noir et une très curieuse coiffe faite d’un turban blanc à motifs noirs dont un des bouts est soutenu à gauche de la tête par une baguette en bois, et des femmes H’mongs Fleurs, mais pas avec le même costume qu’à Bac Ha ; le leur est fait de tissus très chatoyants avec des rayures verticales - celles des H’mongs de Bac Ha sont horizontales- et une curieuse coiffe faite d’un bonnet plat rond autour duquel pendent de multiples pendeloques de perles de verre multicolores. Comme à Bac Ha, la plupart des hommes ont de sérieuses têtes d’alcooliques : il faut dire que le ruou local est délicieux. Le tout est fascinant. Le marché est tous les 5 jours et j’y étais le jeudi 13 mai, donc je vous laisse compter sur vos doigts !
MEO VAC (KHAU VAI)
Après ça, Bao Lac – Méo Vac, avec un détour sur Khau Vai, la route est splendide mais en arrivant, l’horreur ! Figurez-vous que Khau Vai était célèbre pour son « marché de l’amour » interdit aux touristes. Vous pouvez oublier !!!! La route est en réfection et, comme ce marché est de mi-avril à mi-mai, il restait encore d’immenses banderoles Warm Welcome all Tourists to the Love Market of Khau Vai. Donc, le prochain marché est voué à être un autre Disneyworld pour troupeaux de touristes étrangers et leur grand nez fouineur.
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
...Les chutes sont toujours aussi belles ! Toute la région étant zone militaire, il faut acheter un permis au poste de police de Cao Bang ($10 par véhicule –et non par personne comme à Ha Giang), plus 15 000 dong d’entrée aux chutes ...
Salut Jacques ,
Arrive aux chutes de Ban Gioc , Duc m a emmene au batiment principal pour obtenir un permis et reveiller le fonctionnaire bougon qui le delivrait .
Puis de retour a l exterieur payer a nouveau pour l acces au site .
J avais aussi le permis obtenu a Ha Giang quelques jours auparavant que je n ai pas montré.
je ne te saisis pas bien quand tu cites le poste de police de Cao Bang pour ce permis d acces aux chutes qui se trouvent a 90 kms de la ville .
Personnellement je n ai pas trouve les gens de Cao Bang desagreables et le centre ville n est pas vilain .
Quant à la campagne aux alentours !!! que du bonheur !
Moi aussi j'ai paye au poste de police au site, mais le prepose, d'ailleurs tres sympa, m'a montre le permis que j'aurais du obtenir a Cao Bang. Ce permis n'est pas pour entrer aux chutes, mais pour se balader dans toute la region qui, comme celle au nord de Ha Giang, est zone militaire. Comme c'est la 2e fois que ca m'arrive d'y trainer sans permis, j'en deduit qu'ils sont plus coulants cote permis qu'a Meo Vac. Ceci dit, je n'ai jamais couche dans des hotels au nord de Cao Bang; peut-etre qu'ils l'exigent aussi (comme a Dong Van et Meo Vac, il faut le permis pour avoir une chambre, mais pas a Cao Bang, les 2 consideres comme hors de la zone militaire).
Cette histoire de permis, je suis plus tranquille quand j'en ai un; j'etais pas tres heureux de me retrouver sans a Meo vac (j'arrivais de Bao lac) et, a Khau Vai, Duc n'a pas voulu rentrer ds le village because police, pas plus qu'il n'a voulu monter sur Lung Cu; je le comprends, l'amende est salee pour le chauffeur !)
PS. C'est vrai que Duc est vraiment super gentil.
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Nous venons de faire la route Ha Giang-Dong Van-Meo Vac-Caobang. Une merveille!!!Merci encore pour toutes vos infos sur cette route.
A signaler que sur 40 kilometres avant d arriver a Cao Bang, la route est en total refection, il faut donc compter plus de 2 heures pour ces 40 derniers kilometres
A signaler que sur 40 kilometres avant d arriver a Cao Bang, la route est en total refection, il faut donc compter plus de 2 heures pour ces 40 derniers kilometres
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Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it?
Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like?
We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
I’m starting a discussion about guides in the Mekong Delta because we’ve just finished our trip in this region and had a hard time finding a French-speaking guide. We had Thanh—she speaks French really well and travels all over the delta region, including Ho Chi Minh City. She’s super friendly and flexible. I recommend her wholeheartedly. If it can help someone...
Feel free to contact us for her number.
Hi everyone,
I couldn’t find any recent info on Kuching.
Can anyone recommend a hotel or guesthouse for under 100 RM that’s nice and affordable? No dorms, please.
Also, does it rain a lot in November, and is it still worth visiting Semenggoh or Bako?
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip?
I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days.
I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome!
I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur
Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral.
Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo).
Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok:
* Orangutan Center
* Malayan Sun Bear Center
* Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan.
Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari.
Jungle walk.
Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari.
Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port.
Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar
5 full days.
* Snorkeling
* Hiking
* Turtle watching
* Wild beaches
* Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland.
Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali.
And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people!
So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops):
- 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud
2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa)
1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...)
- 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces)
- 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai
- 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed)
- 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island)
- 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan)
- 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels.
Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?)
Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?)
Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027:
- Phnom Penh
- Kampong Cham
- Kratie
- Siem Reap
- Battambang
- Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights.
Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above.
Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations:
We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights:
The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1:
We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2:
This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3:
With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4:
Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings.
We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops.
In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5:
Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6:
This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8:
Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10:
On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12:
We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines.
Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment.
We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15:
From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP).
We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning.
We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise.
Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16:
We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town.
It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view.
We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise.
In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911.
On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city.
We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17:
Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning.
Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in.
The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances:
In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary:
Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional.
Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.