Cycling trips—how old is too old?
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CL Claude19 Veteran ·
Why not start a Facebook group? It works really well.
JM Jmc1 Regular ·
Hi Christian,

Thanks for your reply—it’s really flattering!

Yes, the route planning is pretty detailed, with one or more possible itineraries prepared. That doesn’t mean we always stick to the plan, but the prep already gets us in the mood and lets us start traveling before the actual trip.

I’ve added a few more details on my site about route planners because I realized I hadn’t mentioned them, even though I use them a lot. My explanations are pretty brief—you really need to try the tools to get the hang of them. I use Bikemap and Openrunner, but there are plenty of others I haven’t tested. For route planners, gear, and GPS apps, check it out here.

It’s too bad that health issue is keeping you from joining us. We would’ve loved to have our group grow. I looked at your previous contributions—I also live pretty healthily, no tobacco or alcohol, and I thought I wouldn’t have to deal with this kind of problem. But I see that’s not the case, and it can happen to anyone out of the blue. Cold weather is only a minor risk for me because I’m wary of it and avoid it (which explains why I choose certain countries for winter trips). Still, sometimes you’re "forced" to go out in freezing temps. Now that I know the risks, I’ll avoid strenuous activity in those conditions.

Wishing you a speedy recovery and happy travels!

Jean Marie
PT Ptitgris Regular ·
And what about those of us who aren’t on Faceb**k—are we automatically excluded?!
CL Claude19 Veteran ·
I was 200% reluctant to sign up for Facebooc. I have a friend who left for a big cycling adventure in Africa, and he posts about his journey every day on Facebooc. Despite all my reservations, I signed up a year ago, and I don’t regret it—I haven’t had any "weird stuff" happen, everything’s fine. I even created my own page, and everything’s going well there too—nothing to complain about… Shows you shouldn’t hesitate to change your mind. If there’s ever a "slip-up," I won’t hesitate to unsubscribe.

So I don’t see why there should be any exclusions. But if you’ve got another idea, it’d be interesting to hear it.
SI Sitik Veteran ·
No opinion on Facebook or I’m not on it. Simply because there are countries where it’s inaccessible. Like western Sichuan.
CL Claude19 Veteran ·
Sorry, but I don’t have any other ideas... After all, aren’t we doing great here? 😏
PT Ptitgris Regular ·
Love hearing you say that!!! ;)
AL Alainchti62 ·
Hi everyone, I’m new to the forum. I found this discussion really inspiring, and I hope we all keep enjoying cycling for many years to come.
CL Claude19 Veteran ·
62 = for the Pas-de-Calais or 62 years old?? 😏
MA Marengo ·
In September 2016, I was 79 and my wife was 78. We went cycling in Austria with a group where most could have been our kids. Some of the hills were tough to climb, but we climbed them. I’ve had a hip replacement for 14 years and never think about it. Just so you know, when we were young, we weren’t exactly sporty—we’re not ex-champions, just ex-not-very-good who’ve always kept active... you should never stop cycling, that’s the secret. And if pedaling gets tough sometimes, just remind yourself you’re better off on your bike than in a cardiologist’s waiting room. When I can’t pedal anymore, I’ll let you know—but that’s not happening anytime soon...
GA Gabey Veteran ·
Hi Jean Marie, Soon you’ll be off! Well deserved, and after all that prep you must be excited? I’m pretty impressed seeing the three of you head out. We’ve been traveling as a couple for years. We tried a trip with two other couples in the Spanish mountains, and to stick to the thread’s topic—one couple was over 70… best forgotten!

I haven’t looked at your route in detail, but it seems there are several entry points into Thailand. I’m sure you’ve checked the visa exemption rules. One thing you might already know: the two-month Thai tourist visa is free until the end of February.

By the way, we might cross paths—we’re leaving on January 12th for Saigon, then Cambodia (Phnom Penh National Park) to take the Discovery Mekong Trail up to southern Laos, and maybe back to Bangkok via Vientiane.

Quick question: how does the trike handle on dirt tracks?

Okay, I’ll stop polluting the thread now.
JM Jmc1 Regular ·
Hi Catherine and Gabriel,

We’re right in the middle of preparations for our departure on January 4th.

So far, we haven’t had any issues with the group. I guess it helps that we’re all the same age, have known each other since childhood, and cycled together until we were about 25.

We got our Thai visa for free in Lyon on December 12th. We’ll be entering Thailand two more times after that, but each stay will be under the 30-day visa exemption for French travelers.

The trike handles well on fairly wide and not-too-rough tracks. If we have to carry it, though, things get trickier—which is why we’ve decided to go with mountain bikes this year.

It’s definitely possible we’ll cross paths this year and get to meet. If that happens, we’d be happy to! I’ll send you more details about our route "planning" in a private message.

Here’s the site for 2017: http://cyclotourismetranquille.e-monsite.com/pages/voyage-2017/carte-google-du-projet-d-itineraire.html

Hope to see you soon, maybe in Cambodia or Laos!

Jean Marie
LU Lucbertrand Globetrotter ·
Hi Jean-Marie, I followed a good chunk of the spots you marked on that gorgeous “interactive” map during my own trips between Thailand and Laos. In particular, you’ve planned the 120 km dirt track west of the Mekong that ends in Luang Prabang—stunning, with tons of elevation gain. The stretch starting from Luang Prabang along the left bank of the Mekong is also really pretty once you’re about fifteen klicks outside town. I also rode your route to Vientiane, just in the opposite direction. The section south of Vientiane in Laos was another highlight I covered on a different trip—you can check out the full trip reports I posted on VF. But the absolute highlight was the February–March 2016 ride that partly overlapped your northern Laos route. I only documented the off-road segments:

voyageforum.com/...ost=7452444;#7452444

All that to get to my question: how do you actually make a slick interactive map like the one showing your route? Luc
JM Jmc1 Regular ·
Hi Luc,

Thanks for the link, but I’d already gone through your trip report—it actually helped shape our route and bike choices for this 2017 ride.

We’re leaving on Wednesday, January 4, so I had to get the upcoming Google map ready. While I was at it, I put together a quick tutorial. It might not answer every question you have, but it walks through the steps for creating a Google map. I’m pretty sure I’ll use it next time too, since the beginning—up to “create a map”—isn’t exactly intuitive, and I always have to fumble through it (which, at twice a year, is about par for the course).

You can view and download the little PDF tutorial here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1HF1AWrBfCHd0phQ2VLeTRBNXc

Jean Marie
CR Crocomalo35 Regular ·
Hi Jean Marie, Best wishes (it’s that time of year!) for your trip... I’ll be thinking of you when I’m pedaling—just to ease your own pedaling! 🙂 How lucky to set off with a team that’s been together since the "shorts" days, plus a mechanic’s skills (I saw the racks)—in short, everything to avoid nasty surprises. Safe travels! I’ll definitely follow your blog (I get the feeling you’re the group’s IT guy). Christian
JM Jmc1 Regular ·
Hi Christian,

True. Mechanically, we manage pretty well, but that doesn’t rule out an irreparable breakdown without the right tools. Yes, I’m the one who writes the site and records the routes. Wishing you a happy 2017 too.

Jean Marie
CO Coulonneux42 Veteran ·
Hi Jean-Marie, I just came across your post. Wishing you a great trip—it’s awesome! Personally, I cycled through Vietnam in 2012 and Cambodia in 2013. After recovering from anemia, I stopped, but I’m ready to hit the road again. Anyway, congrats and safe travels! I’m from Montbrison and a pigeon fancier—I often go to Neulise to train my homing pigeons. Hope to meet you someday. I’m in my 72nd year, and all’s well. I’ll be following your blog. André
SP Spacebird Regular ·
Hello, I read that you're heading to Vietnam, Cambodia, then Thailand around January 12th. While I’m not bringing my bike this time, I’m also leaving for Vietnam around those dates—maybe Cambodia and Thailand too, using "transport and youth hostel/guesthouse" mode. I’d love to know if you’ve already considered the "possible risks and challenges" of finding accommodations and other transport during Tết? Unless you’re camping and cycling the whole route, of course—in that case, you’re less dependent on closed or fully booked infrastructure.
LU Lucbertrand Globetrotter ·
Hi Jean-Marie, thanks for the link—I’ll give it a try. I’m not exactly a tech whiz, but apart from the middle of the Gobi Desert, I’ve never really felt out of my depth, even in the Atacama with just a 1:500,000 or even 1:1,000,000 scale map. I’ve even got to say that often when you take a wrong turn, that’s when you make the best discoveries, so let’s protect the right to get lost .

Anyway, safe travels on the trails of Southeast Asia, and don’t forget that survival on Laotian roads comes down to knowing *kin kao* or *rao* (eat rice) and *kin feû* (eat soup).

Luc
CR Crocomalo35 Regular ·
To answer the original question: “bike travel—how old is too old?” I’d say this morning: without panniers, up to 105 years old! ;)

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