Comment s'appelle ce site aux abords de Tata dans le sud marocain? C'est à l'entrée de Tata sur la P1805. J'ai récupéré la photo ci dessous sur google earth, elle est de Mhamed Zarkouane.
J'ai lu quelque part que la route entre Taliouine et foum zguid était plus intéressante en passant par Igherm et Tata.
Il y a plein de sites à visiter dans le coin de Tata. Lequel serait à privilégier?
J'ai entendu parler des grottes de Messalit...
Que se passe-t-il les jours de souks dans les villes? Est-ce gênant pour les visites?
Le lac d'ifni entre Taliouine et Imlil vaut-il le détour et est-il accessible en hiver?
Vous trouverez quelques renseignements sur ce post qui relate mon voyage en octobre 2016 .Ohttps://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=7688888;#7688888ctobre 2016 .
La region de Tata est une region que j'apprécie depuis de nombreuses années . Je situe l'endroit dont vous parlez mais je n'ai pas le nom .
Vous pouvez visiter l'ancien Mellah de Tazzart , et les oasis . On peut longer la palmeraie à pied et découvrir cette region tranquillement .
Pour joindre Foum Zguig depuis Taliouine la route qui passe par Igherm et Tata est splendide , a Igherm il ne faut pas prendre la 1805 mais celle qui est marqué en piste sur la carte Michelin et qui passe par Souk Tieta de Taghmoute . Un peu long , mais des paysages intacts et sauvages , un grenier à Taghmoute et un gîte sympa.
Pour les grottes , bof , on peut y aller , je dois avoir quelques photos que je vais vous poster , mais c'est sale et sans grand intérêt .
Pour les souks c'est justement le plus interessant à voir dans les villes et villages , aucun problème pour vous y promener .
Le lac d'Ifni en hiver ne doit pas être accessible .
Bonne préparation
Bonjour Diamina , j'ai fait une petite recherche rapide sur Google Map et j'ai trouvé l'endroit en question , voici ses coordonnées GPS que vous pouvez taper sur Google Map : 29.283270, -8.995912
Il s'agit de la région de Timoula qui se trouve à 110 kilomètres au sud ouest de Tata à vol d'oiseau et au nord de Icht , voici la capture écran de la région :
Bonjour Hannahannah , hélas oui ce n'est pas du tout dans le coin de Tata , si on trace une ligne droite entre Tata et Guelmim c'est à mi chemin , voici un dézoom pour situer cet endroit ( c'est le petit repère gris 😉 ) :
C'est pas tout à fait à côté comme vous pouvez le voir 🙂
Oui vous confondez peut-être avec la région d'Aflla qui se trouve à 40 km au nord ouest de Tata , voici la capture d'écran , ça ressemble étrangement à Timoula effectivement 🙂 et c'est bien la P1805 qui passe dans ces gorges 🙂
Les coordonnées GPS de cet endroit sont : 29.995091, -8.282690
Merci beaucoup de t'être donné la peine de chercher pour moi. Très aimable de ta part.
Du coup, d'après ce que tu dis la photo que j'avais vues sur google earth aux environs immédiats de Tata est mal située. Sur la capture d'écran de google earth que j'ai mise ci dessous, elle est placée juste sur le monticule à droite de l'indication routière P 1805.
Voici à quoi ça ressemble en gros plan.
Et voici la photo sur son emplacement.
Est-ce habituel que des erreurs de cette importance arrivent sur google earth. En plus, c'est une photo isolée!! en tout cas, j'ai utilisé tes coordonnées GPS et regardé le relief que tu as mis en gros plan. Bon, ça me rappelait beaucoup des paysages similaires vus aux USA.
Bah, tant pis, c'est trop loin par rapport au circuit que je veux faire. Tata sera juste un arrêt sur la route entre Taliouine et foum zguid.
Merci pour ta réponse. (Je suis habituée au tutoiement sur VF, si c'est gênant dis le, et je reformulerai mes phrases avec des vous)
Vous pouvez visiter l'ancien Mellah de Tazzart, et les oasis. On peut longer la palmeraie à pied et découvrir cette region tranquillement.
Ok. On fera ça.
Je ne suis pas certaine d'avoir tout bien suivie:
Pour joindre Foum Zguig depuis Taliouine la route qui passe par Igherm et Tata est splendide, a Igherm il ne faut pas prendre la 1805 mais celle qui est marqué en piste sur la carte Michelin et qui passe par Souk Tieta de Taghmoute. Un peu long, mais des paysages intacts et sauvages, un grenier à Taghmoute et un gîte sympa
Euh, tu veux dire qu'en dehors de la R109 que je comptais emprunter, et de la P1805 il y a encore une 3ème voie qui n'apparait pas sur google map alors? Du coup, je n'ai pas trouvé souk tieta non plus sur la carte, car je n'ai pas de carte michelin du Maroc.
J'ai trouvé ce site qui donne des section de cartes sauf que je suis incapable de savoir comment me repérer dessus, même en posant mon curseur sur les numéros qui laissent apparaitre les noms des régions sus l'extrait de carte. Je ne suis pas assez familiarisée avec la géographie du Maroc pour m'y retrouver sur la carte 100 000ème.
Pourrais-tu me dire quel extrait choisir s'il te plait?
Un peu plus bas sur le site, il y a encore les cartes 50 000ème si c'est plus simple....
Merci encore de ton aide et du lien.
Je vais potasser ton carnet et les infos du lien et je reviens plus tard.
Le plus simple c'est d'investir, quelques euros dans la Michelin , tu l'etale et tu te fait une idée , c'est certes ringard mais finalement très simple 😉 je vais essayer de trouver le numéro qui correspond demain matin .
Moi aussi je tutoie facilement 😎
Il n'y a que deux routes , une qui part du centre de Tata en suivant l'oued Tata c'est la bonne .
A +
Bonsoir Diamina , oui c'est souvent qu'il y a des erreurs de situations sur les photos Google Earth , d'ailleurs je ne me sers plus de ce logiciel depuis qu'on a la 3D sur Google Map , c'est plus simple 🙂 .
Quant aux cartes dont vous parlez plus bas , c'est rigolo car c'est moi qui les ai mises en ligne sur mon blog de voyages , j'espère qu'elles vous serviront , je regarderai le trajet dont parle Hannahannah demain et je vous dirai quelles cartes utiliser 🙂
Avec google map , en agrandissant bien je vois Taghmoute tres clairement , attention surtout de ne pas tenir compte de ces cartes et autres Mapy pour faire une estimation du temps . C'est du grand n'importe quoi au Maroc , on part d'une base simple 50kms/h en montagne au mieux ....60/70 en plaine . Sinon , on a toutes les chances de se retrouver de nuit avec un bourricot sur le capot car on auras mal estimé la duree du trajet ' je radote , mais je voie souvent des horaires fantaisistes sur ce forum .
Mervi pour tes cartes Padrino, je me souviens les avoir vues il y a un certain temps .
Bonsoir Diamina, oui c'est souvent qu'il y a des erreurs de situations sur les photos Google Earth, d'ailleurs je ne me sers plus de ce logiciel depuis qu'on a la 3D sur Google Map, c'est plus simple .
Je me méfierai alors dorénavant.
Quant aux cartes dont vous parlez plus bas, c'est rigolo car c'est moi qui les ai mises en ligne sur mon blog de voyages,
Et bien mille fois merci!! 😏
J'ai l'intention d'acheter la carte Michelin. En attendant, ton rassemblement de cartes pourait m'être très utile une fois que j'arriverai à trouver les villes repères. Il y a beaucoup d'informations dessus et c'est vraiment dur de se repérer.
je regarderai le trajet dont parle Hannahannah demain et je vous dirai quelles cartes utiliser
Chouette!!!
Pendant que tu y es, si tu peux m'indiquer celle qui permet de joindre Foum zguid à M'hamid el Ghizlane en passant par le désert et Gouera ce serait sympa. Même si une partie de ce trajet est censé être fait en suivant le guide de de l'hotel bab rimal ( nous aurons notre propre 4x4), puisque l'on dormira en bivouac avec eux et ensuite nous continuerons par M'hamid pour aller à Zagora.
A bientôt
Sur les cartes, je vois sans arrêt marquer "jbel" . Est-ce que c'est mis pour "djebel"?
Bonjour Diamina , pour le Djebel oui c'est la même chose que Jebel qui veut dire " Montagne " ou " Sommet " 🙂
J'ai eu le temps de faire un petit montage rapide pour illustrer le parcours de Taliouine à Foum Zguid en passant par Igherm , le voici :
Vous avez les n° des cartes 100 000 en bleu que j'ai découpées pour éviter d'avoir un fichier énorme , vous pouvez voir les routes sur les cartes originales pour plus de précision .
Pour le reste entre Foum Zguid et Zagora c'est simple il s'agit des cartes 142 ( Foum Zguit ) - 143 ( El Gloa ) - 144 ( Zagora ) - 155 ( Tagounite M'Hamid ).
J'ai fini par trouver tagmoute dont tu parles, mais c'est sur la P1805 dont on a fait une petite déviation au niveau d'Affla !!!! Donc c'est bien la P1805 qu'il faut que je prenne en quittant Igherm!!!!
C'est bien sûr cette route , quand tu depasse le village ( en venant de Tata) , tu tomber sur la palmerais 2/3 km plus loin et le gîte , apres le gîte le grenier.
Hello, my husband and I will be in Egypt this coming November. Cairo seems more challenging to explore without a guide, and we’ll be there for 3 full days. Would anyone have the name of a guide?
Thanks!
Hi, we're looking for a guide to show us around Essaouira.
We're 11 adults and don't want to go through an agency. If you have a contact to help us discover this city, that would be great!
Thanks
I’m heading back to Egypt for the first time in 30 years this July. Last time, I was 20, and we spent two weeks traveling on a shoestring as backpackers.
I’m wondering about a "cruise" on a felucca from Aswan—mainly to avoid being stuck in an air-conditioned tourist bubble (we’re already spending our first week in that setting with our diving club). We’d like to explore the most interesting stretch of the Nile between Aswan and Luxor. Do you have any thoughts on this option, tips, or maybe some contacts?
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili?
If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them.
I didn’t find any info on the forum.
Best,
Here’s a first draft for a 14-night itinerary during the Christmas break with two teens. We’re especially fond of hiking (nothing too extreme, though), which is why we’re drawn to the south.
- Marrakech (2 nights)
- Aït Ben Haddou (1 night)
- Dadès (3 nights, though we’re thinking of doing a day trip to the Todra Gorge on one of those days)
- M'hamid (1 night)
- Erg Chigaga (1 night)
- 4 nights to slot in
- Marrakech (2 nights)
Okay, I realize this involves a lot of driving, and we’re still debating the return route since we’d like to avoid the Tichka Pass in January, but going through Taroudant seems like it would add *a lot* of time. 😕
If you’ve got other suggestions for an itinerary with great hikes, I’m all ears!
Also, the 4 nights total in MRK isn’t really our preference, but since we’re arriving/departing super early from overseas, we’d like to be a bit rested before the long flight.
Another question:
For hikes (aside from the desert one), is it better to have a guide with us, or are the trails well-marked?
Hi everyone,
Our trip to Morocco will be from November 3 to 17, in the High Atlas.
Basically, our route would be:
Marrakech - Aït Benhaddou
Skoura - Tinghir - Merzouga
Merzouga via the N12 to Zagora
Zagora - Draa Valley - Marrakech
It seems to be the low season, so I’d love to travel without having to book accommodations in advance. In other countries, pre-booking has restricted us and kept us from visiting unplanned sites. Freedom is important to us, but I’d also like to avoid arriving somewhere and finding nothing available.
What do you recommend? Book ahead or not?
Your advice is always helpful, and thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me.
Roberto
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Hi, I’d like to head to Morocco next week with my car. I’ve looked online at all the different info about the ferry crossing to Tangier, but I’m finding it really expensive. Is there a way to buy tickets in Spain? Or another way to get the Algeciras–Tangier crossing cheaper? Thanks for any tips or info!
We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April.
What do you think of this rate?
This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available?
-Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)?
-Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?)
- What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!)
- In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid?
- Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country?
- A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you:
- Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why?
- Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies.
- Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car?
- Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years.
Have a great evening,
Roberto
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities.
Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency.
If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling.
We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback!
Safe travels to all,
Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.