Bonjour, j'aimerais avoir quelques conseils d'optimisation d'itinéraires .
Nous, grands parents et "voyageurs" (72-68 a) emmenons 2 petits enfants ( 13 et 9a), passionnés par la nature et les animaux , fils d'homme des bois et chasseurs à l'arc !
Nous arrivons à Johannesburg le 15 Mai 2020 et repartons de Joburg le 26 Mai. Nous louons à l'arrivée et pour tout le séjour un 4x4 avec 2 tentes sur le toit , nous dormirons donc dans des "emplacements"et seront autonomes pour la "cantine" .
12 jours de dispo.
L'objectif premier est d'aller au Kruger park et d'y rester 5 ou 6 nuits. Mais quel circuit ? ensuite, pour les emplacements j'ai compris que je trouverais sur "sanpark"
Il n'est pas gênant de changer de camp chaque soir, sachant qu'avec ce genre de véhicule, il faut tout de même replier la tente chaque jour pour se déplacer. Nous ne voulons pas faire des milliers de Km avec les enfants, donc nous n'irons pas jusqu'au cap !
Pour l'instant, je retiens comme autres spots, Blyde canyon et Swaziland .
Si vous avez des idées conseils pour occuper au mieux mes 2 futurs "crocodiles dundee" ce serait avec grand plaisirs!
Hello,
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
Hi everyone,
I’m sharing the following itinerary for your experienced eyes 😏—I’m finalizing it for Kruger Park and two camps outside the park. We’re starting in the north, entering through Phalabowa Gate to head to Shingwedzi:
Shingwedzi Camp: 2 nights, sunrise drive Mopani Camp: 2 nights, morning walk and night drive Olifants Camp: 2 nights, morning walk Satara: 1 night, sunset drive Manyeleti Game Reserve: 1 night at Buffelshoek Lions Rock Luxury Tented Camp: 2 nights
Did I pick the right sunrise and sunset drives? Thanks in advance for your feedback and experiences! 😎
Shingwedzi Camp: 2 nights, sunrise drive Mopani Camp: 2 nights, morning walk and night drive Olifants Camp: 2 nights, morning walk Satara: 1 night, sunset drive Manyeleti Game Reserve: 1 night at Buffelshoek Lions Rock Luxury Tented Camp: 2 nights
Did I pick the right sunrise and sunset drives? Thanks in advance for your feedback and experiences! 😎
Hi everyone,
For those who’ve been following me... progress is being made!
Anyway, just to recap for the others: I’m leaving Manyeleti (a private reserve) to do a self-drive safari in the main Kruger Park for 2 nights before heading to Blyde River Canyon (sharing all this so you can picture the route). So Satara seemed like a good base for the safari, except that you can only book accommodation in this non-private park through Sandparks to find a camp. Since Satara is fully booked, the only ones with availability for my dates are:
Tamboti, Olifants, and Satara—wait, no, Satara’s full—so Letaba, sorry! Any thoughts on these camps?
Because I can enter via Orpen and drive north (safari-style), which would let us explore, but:
1/ Too many km if we pick the farthest one, Letaba?
If I leave Manyeleti (Honeyguide Mantobeni) after the morning safari, what time do I need to be at the camp by?
It’s all coming together—I just need to pick the camp based on distance, so thanks to all of you for your invaluable help! Dan
It’s all coming together—I just need to pick the camp based on distance, so thanks to all of you for your invaluable help! Dan
Hi everyone,
I’m in the middle of planning our trip/safari to Kruger in October:
- 2 nights in the Manyeleti private reserve (Honeyguide Montobeni)
- 2 nights in Kruger for a self-drive safari (which reserve, or where to stay?)
- 1 night at Blyde River Canyon (where?)
- 2 nights in the Balule private reserve (Imagine Africa Luxury)
Then heading to CAPE TOWN.
So as you’ve probably guessed, I’m not sure:
- where to stay for the BRC and need lodge names
- coming from Manyeleti and heading to the BRC, which strategic spot in greater Kruger to choose (I was thinking Satara, not too far) but couldn’t find any available places for October on Sandparc
- and which domestic flight destination for Manyeleti from JNB (Hoedspruit?) to arrive at Orpen Gate,
- And same question for which airport to fly out to Cape Town after Balule.
Thanks for your quick help—I’m already behind schedule!!!
Dan
Hello,
I’m taking advantage of the forum reopening to ask this question:
For her 70th birthday, my mom will receive—as a gift—a trip to South Africa at the end of May 2025. We’ll arrive and depart (13 nights later) from JNB on Air France AF990/AF995. We’ll obviously rent a car for certain parts of the trip. I’ve been to the Cape Town area and as far as Agulhas twice, but she’s never been to South Africa before. She might enjoy a day or two of safari, but it’s not a priority for her. I’m well aware that trying to pack in too much is risky, which is why I’m looking for your advice on itineraries, safety, and health (status of the Marburg virus). So far, which combinations of these visits (in no particular order) would be doable and most enjoyable for her at a reasonable pace:
1-day excursion to Pilanesberg Park (+ Hartbeespoort on the way back if possible), self-drive or with a tour guide? 2 nights around the Panorama Route self-driving Garden Route from/to George/PLZ for 5 nights (what are the must-sees for a first-timer with so little time?) Wine region for 2 nights (is it worth doing both the Stellenbosch bus tour and the Franschhoek Wine Tram the next day, or vice versa)—she loves good wine! Cape Town for 2 nights (is it worth stopping at the Cape of Good Hope if—only if—you’ve maybe already been to Agulhas?).
This would give a final itinerary like this:
Day 1: Morning arrival in JNB—rest day/to be defined Day 2: Guided game drive excursion to Pilanesberg Park Day 3: Flight JNB–Port Elizabeth, pick up rental car, drive to Tsitsikamma Day 4–6: Garden Route: activities to be defined Day 7: Transfer to Franschhoek: Wine Tram in the afternoon Day 8: Taxi to Stellenbosch for the Vine Hopper bus tour Day 9–11: Transfer to Cape Town: activities to be defined Day 12: Flight from Cape Town to Hoedspruit or Nelspruit Day 13: Visit the Panorama Route Day 14: Flight from Hoedspruit or Nelspruit to JNB, then evening flight back to France
Given the time spent on the Garden Route, what are the must-sees? Same question for the Panorama Route? In general, she prefers beautiful walks with incredible landscapes/views and cultural visits over big cats, but it would be a shame not to see some local wildlife like meerkats, whales (I doubt it in May), or penguins during her stay! There you go—feel free to critique (not too harshly, though😛)/advise/improve. Thanks in advance! 🙂
For her 70th birthday, my mom will receive—as a gift—a trip to South Africa at the end of May 2025. We’ll arrive and depart (13 nights later) from JNB on Air France AF990/AF995. We’ll obviously rent a car for certain parts of the trip. I’ve been to the Cape Town area and as far as Agulhas twice, but she’s never been to South Africa before. She might enjoy a day or two of safari, but it’s not a priority for her. I’m well aware that trying to pack in too much is risky, which is why I’m looking for your advice on itineraries, safety, and health (status of the Marburg virus). So far, which combinations of these visits (in no particular order) would be doable and most enjoyable for her at a reasonable pace:
1-day excursion to Pilanesberg Park (+ Hartbeespoort on the way back if possible), self-drive or with a tour guide? 2 nights around the Panorama Route self-driving Garden Route from/to George/PLZ for 5 nights (what are the must-sees for a first-timer with so little time?) Wine region for 2 nights (is it worth doing both the Stellenbosch bus tour and the Franschhoek Wine Tram the next day, or vice versa)—she loves good wine! Cape Town for 2 nights (is it worth stopping at the Cape of Good Hope if—only if—you’ve maybe already been to Agulhas?).
This would give a final itinerary like this:
Day 1: Morning arrival in JNB—rest day/to be defined Day 2: Guided game drive excursion to Pilanesberg Park Day 3: Flight JNB–Port Elizabeth, pick up rental car, drive to Tsitsikamma Day 4–6: Garden Route: activities to be defined Day 7: Transfer to Franschhoek: Wine Tram in the afternoon Day 8: Taxi to Stellenbosch for the Vine Hopper bus tour Day 9–11: Transfer to Cape Town: activities to be defined Day 12: Flight from Cape Town to Hoedspruit or Nelspruit Day 13: Visit the Panorama Route Day 14: Flight from Hoedspruit or Nelspruit to JNB, then evening flight back to France
Given the time spent on the Garden Route, what are the must-sees? Same question for the Panorama Route? In general, she prefers beautiful walks with incredible landscapes/views and cultural visits over big cats, but it would be a shame not to see some local wildlife like meerkats, whales (I doubt it in May), or penguins during her stay! There you go—feel free to critique (not too harshly, though😛)/advise/improve. Thanks in advance! 🙂
Hi everyone,
I’m reaching out today to gather some great tips for the second part of our trip to South Africa, which will take place from 03/21 to 04/11. We don’t want to rush too much either. We’ll start in Cape Town (tickets already booked) since it seems like a good time to visit this region—except for the whales in Hermanus, which we won’t be seeing. Oh, and I almost forgot, we’re renting a car for both legs of the trip for more freedom.
The first part is planned like this:
- 03/21: Arrival in Cape Town, staying until 03/24 - 03/25: Visit to the Cape, including a stop in Simon’s Town - 2 nights in Stellenbosch from 03/26 to 03/28 - 3 nights in Knysna to explore the area from 03/28 to 03/31 - 03/31: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Durban, where we’ll spend one night in Umhlanga
After that, I’m a bit lost 🙂. Next, I was thinking of doing:
2 nights in St. Lucia 2 nights in Eswatini 4 nights in Kruger Park (2 nights in Skukuza and 2 nights in Balule to visit a private reserve) 1 night at Blyde Canyon 1 night somewhere to get closer to Johannesburg (Graskop?) since we’ll need to return the car by around 11:00 AM on 04/11.
So, does the second part make sense or not? I’ve done quite a bit of research, but I’m still a little lost . We can’t wait to be there, and your valuable advice would be very welcome. Thanks so much in advance, and have a great day! Luis
The first part is planned like this:
- 03/21: Arrival in Cape Town, staying until 03/24 - 03/25: Visit to the Cape, including a stop in Simon’s Town - 2 nights in Stellenbosch from 03/26 to 03/28 - 3 nights in Knysna to explore the area from 03/28 to 03/31 - 03/31: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Durban, where we’ll spend one night in Umhlanga
After that, I’m a bit lost 🙂. Next, I was thinking of doing:
2 nights in St. Lucia 2 nights in Eswatini 4 nights in Kruger Park (2 nights in Skukuza and 2 nights in Balule to visit a private reserve) 1 night at Blyde Canyon 1 night somewhere to get closer to Johannesburg (Graskop?) since we’ll need to return the car by around 11:00 AM on 04/11.
So, does the second part make sense or not? I’ve done quite a bit of research, but I’m still a little lost . We can’t wait to be there, and your valuable advice would be very welcome. Thanks so much in advance, and have a great day! Luis
Bonjour!
Si la Covid-19 le permet, nous aimerions passer 3 mois en Afrique du Sud (le pays). Nous y serions du 05 janvier au 5 avril 2021.
Après la lecture du Routard, et la lecture de l’équivalent d’une année de messages sur ce forum, les questions fusent et nous sommes de - en - sûrs de savoir comment départager ces 3 mois...
Avant d’entrer dans le vif du sujet, un peu sur nous:
Aimons nous retrouver dans des milieux naturels, le + loin possible des foules (on est Canadiens, après tout...). On aime voir des animaux sauvages et non pas dressés à donner la papatte ou à prendre la pause.
On aime (et on est habitués) de faire du camping « sauvage » (sans bloc sanitaire ou électricité), mais on peut aussi se résoudre à passer quelques nuits dans un enclos pour humains à l’intérieur des parcs nationaux. Ils sont chez eux, pas nous. On oublie les lodges à 600 euros la nuit.
On est vraiment pas obligés de voir le cap de Bonne-Espérance, Robben Island ou des colonies de manchots... si ça veut dire de faire l’impasse sur des lieux isolés, peu fréquentés mais dignes de détours.
On aime bien louer des voiture question d’aller où bon nous semble, d’avoir nos équipements prêts et à portée de mains, et surtout de pouvoir garder une réserve de nourriture pour les jours (bénis) où il n’y a pas de Walmart à l’horizon...
Nous pensons qu’il serait très sage de laisser tomber la Namibie et le Botswana (autres voyages à venir?) et de se concentrer sur l’Afrique du Sud, mais devrions-nous nécessairement mettre le Lesotho et le eSwatini au programme?
Je pose la question, car ces 2 pays semblent avoir beaucoup à offrir, mais nous risquerions (peut-être) de manquer de temps et beaucoup de belles choses/lieux en Afrique du Sud en contrepartie?!?
Une certitude: nous ne reviendrons PAS dans ce pays pour une seconde visite. Merci, de ne pas demander: pourquoi?
Donc, on inclus ces deux enclaves ou pas?
On a pensé à cet itinéraire mal dégrossi:
Arrivée à Jo’burg, location d’une voiture ou 4 X 4 et faire 1 mois dans le Nord-est (Kruger, entre autre) puis remettre la voiture. Prendre un vol pour Durban ou Port Elizabeth ou Port Edward, louer une voiture et faire moitié-moitié région côtière et intérieur des terres (s’il y a effectivement de quoi se mettre sous la dent, d’autant plus qu’on déteste faire de la plage...) faire 1 mois , remettre la voiture. Prendre un vol pour le Cap, louer une voiture et explorer les grands alentours en 1 mois (s’il y a quelque chose également à se mettre derrière la cravate...) Vol de retour vers Jo’burg.
Un autre itinéraire pourrait comprendre 1 semaine (ou +) au Lesotho et 1 semaine (ou +) au eSwatini et on rognerait 2 semaines (ou +) en Afrique du Sud proprement dite.
Donc, on oublie: plages, visites de vignobles, et réserves animalières avec animaux à toucher qui rugissent sur demande.
Par contre, on prendra bonne note des endroits perdus et hors des sentiers battus que vous avez aimé. Oui, oui... On est sérieux: + c’est éloigné de tout, plus on aime!
On notera aussi les randonnées pédestres guidées ou non, les réserves animalières qui respectent les animaux (si ça existe...).
Désolé, je suis de plus en plus misanthrope, et ça transpire des fois un peu trop...
Bien vôtre
Marc Lamarre
Si la Covid-19 le permet, nous aimerions passer 3 mois en Afrique du Sud (le pays). Nous y serions du 05 janvier au 5 avril 2021.
Après la lecture du Routard, et la lecture de l’équivalent d’une année de messages sur ce forum, les questions fusent et nous sommes de - en - sûrs de savoir comment départager ces 3 mois...
Avant d’entrer dans le vif du sujet, un peu sur nous:
Aimons nous retrouver dans des milieux naturels, le + loin possible des foules (on est Canadiens, après tout...). On aime voir des animaux sauvages et non pas dressés à donner la papatte ou à prendre la pause.
On aime (et on est habitués) de faire du camping « sauvage » (sans bloc sanitaire ou électricité), mais on peut aussi se résoudre à passer quelques nuits dans un enclos pour humains à l’intérieur des parcs nationaux. Ils sont chez eux, pas nous. On oublie les lodges à 600 euros la nuit.
On est vraiment pas obligés de voir le cap de Bonne-Espérance, Robben Island ou des colonies de manchots... si ça veut dire de faire l’impasse sur des lieux isolés, peu fréquentés mais dignes de détours.
On aime bien louer des voiture question d’aller où bon nous semble, d’avoir nos équipements prêts et à portée de mains, et surtout de pouvoir garder une réserve de nourriture pour les jours (bénis) où il n’y a pas de Walmart à l’horizon...
Nous pensons qu’il serait très sage de laisser tomber la Namibie et le Botswana (autres voyages à venir?) et de se concentrer sur l’Afrique du Sud, mais devrions-nous nécessairement mettre le Lesotho et le eSwatini au programme?
Je pose la question, car ces 2 pays semblent avoir beaucoup à offrir, mais nous risquerions (peut-être) de manquer de temps et beaucoup de belles choses/lieux en Afrique du Sud en contrepartie?!?
Une certitude: nous ne reviendrons PAS dans ce pays pour une seconde visite. Merci, de ne pas demander: pourquoi?
Donc, on inclus ces deux enclaves ou pas?
On a pensé à cet itinéraire mal dégrossi:
Arrivée à Jo’burg, location d’une voiture ou 4 X 4 et faire 1 mois dans le Nord-est (Kruger, entre autre) puis remettre la voiture. Prendre un vol pour Durban ou Port Elizabeth ou Port Edward, louer une voiture et faire moitié-moitié région côtière et intérieur des terres (s’il y a effectivement de quoi se mettre sous la dent, d’autant plus qu’on déteste faire de la plage...) faire 1 mois , remettre la voiture. Prendre un vol pour le Cap, louer une voiture et explorer les grands alentours en 1 mois (s’il y a quelque chose également à se mettre derrière la cravate...) Vol de retour vers Jo’burg.
Un autre itinéraire pourrait comprendre 1 semaine (ou +) au Lesotho et 1 semaine (ou +) au eSwatini et on rognerait 2 semaines (ou +) en Afrique du Sud proprement dite.
Donc, on oublie: plages, visites de vignobles, et réserves animalières avec animaux à toucher qui rugissent sur demande.
Par contre, on prendra bonne note des endroits perdus et hors des sentiers battus que vous avez aimé. Oui, oui... On est sérieux: + c’est éloigné de tout, plus on aime!
On notera aussi les randonnées pédestres guidées ou non, les réserves animalières qui respectent les animaux (si ça existe...).
Désolé, je suis de plus en plus misanthrope, et ça transpire des fois un peu trop...
Bien vôtre
Marc Lamarre
Bonjour à tous,
Je suis en pleine préparation d'un voyage à 7 personnes pour juillet prochain ( 3 adultes et deux paires de jumeaux : 17/17/18/18).
J'ai peu de questions à ce jour vu que ça fait déjà plusieurs années que je lorgne sur cette destination et bave devant vos carnets.🙂
Je tiens tout d'abord à remercier tous ceux qui alimentent ce forum de leurs conseils et carnets riches et variés.Je ne cite personne pour ne pas en oublier.
Concernant le voyage, nous avons tenté de faire au mieux en tenant compte de nos aspirations, de notre budget et du peu de temps sur place.
Tous les vols et nuitées sont déjà bookés.
J1 : arrivée à midi au Cap J2/3/4 : Le Cap et sa région (nous logeons à Houtbay) J5: Vol vers Durban et nuit au Mpila camp J6/7/8:Nuits à Ste Lucia (excursion baleines au programme) J9:nuit à Tembe J10:route vers Kruger et nuit à l'entrée du Kruger J11/12/13:Kruger (nuits à Lower sabie/Satara et Talamati) J14: Départ du Kruger et nuit à Soweto J15: Vol retour à 18H00 (vélo à Soweto le matin)
Il a fallu faire des choix (zapper le Swaziland, l'essentiel de Blyde river ...)
Quelques questions en vrac:
-Pour Tembe, nous n'aurons pas de 4 roues motrices mais nous logeons dans le parc. Est-ce qu'il y a la possibilité au camp de se faire véhiculer jusqu'au Hyde si on le désire ? ou à certaines heures imposées?
-Pour la région du Cap , nous n'aurons que 3,5 jours sur place . La visite de Robben Island est au programme (c'est un incontournable pour deux enfants) et une journée sur la Péninsule. Reste à faire un choix dans les multiples autres activités (nage avec les otaries, Table moutain, Lions Head etc...) Pour certains les jardins de Kirstenbosh apparaissent incontournables.Ils valent le coup en Juillet ?
-Au Kruger, je vais réserver un morning walk : cela vous semble préférable à Lower Sabie ou Satara ?
Merci !
Pascale
Je suis en pleine préparation d'un voyage à 7 personnes pour juillet prochain ( 3 adultes et deux paires de jumeaux : 17/17/18/18).
J'ai peu de questions à ce jour vu que ça fait déjà plusieurs années que je lorgne sur cette destination et bave devant vos carnets.🙂
Je tiens tout d'abord à remercier tous ceux qui alimentent ce forum de leurs conseils et carnets riches et variés.Je ne cite personne pour ne pas en oublier.
Concernant le voyage, nous avons tenté de faire au mieux en tenant compte de nos aspirations, de notre budget et du peu de temps sur place.
Tous les vols et nuitées sont déjà bookés.
J1 : arrivée à midi au Cap J2/3/4 : Le Cap et sa région (nous logeons à Houtbay) J5: Vol vers Durban et nuit au Mpila camp J6/7/8:Nuits à Ste Lucia (excursion baleines au programme) J9:nuit à Tembe J10:route vers Kruger et nuit à l'entrée du Kruger J11/12/13:Kruger (nuits à Lower sabie/Satara et Talamati) J14: Départ du Kruger et nuit à Soweto J15: Vol retour à 18H00 (vélo à Soweto le matin)
Il a fallu faire des choix (zapper le Swaziland, l'essentiel de Blyde river ...)
Quelques questions en vrac:
-Pour Tembe, nous n'aurons pas de 4 roues motrices mais nous logeons dans le parc. Est-ce qu'il y a la possibilité au camp de se faire véhiculer jusqu'au Hyde si on le désire ? ou à certaines heures imposées?
-Pour la région du Cap , nous n'aurons que 3,5 jours sur place . La visite de Robben Island est au programme (c'est un incontournable pour deux enfants) et une journée sur la Péninsule. Reste à faire un choix dans les multiples autres activités (nage avec les otaries, Table moutain, Lions Head etc...) Pour certains les jardins de Kirstenbosh apparaissent incontournables.Ils valent le coup en Juillet ?
-Au Kruger, je vais réserver un morning walk : cela vous semble préférable à Lower Sabie ou Satara ?
Merci !
Pascale
Hi there,
First question: We're leaving Kruger Park from Olifants camp to head to BRC.
I know the drive is long (about 4 hours, especially since I think the part through the park will be slow due to animals). We're exiting the park via Phalaborwa Gate, but I can't find a map, so it's hard to tell if we'll arrive at the top of the Canyon or via Graskop to then drive up the Panorama Route.
Second question: I booked 1 night at Forever Resort, but if we arrive from the top and then drive down the Panorama Route, I'm not sure that's the best choice.
Third question: Since we're leaving Kruger early in the morning, I think we can plan to explore the area in the afternoon. We'll sleep there, and then we need to be at our lodge in the Balule private reserve by late morning (Imagine Africa) to catch the afternoon safari. I'm worried it might be too short if we want to do a boat trip on the dam! What do you think? Should I add another night? It's still possible since I haven't planned the rest yet, and we have 7 nights left in Cape Town, including Hermanus! Do you think I should cut short the Cape Town stay? If so, I could break the BRC trip into two parts—one night after leaving Kruger before the private safari, and then come back this way (since it's not too far, I think) after the two nights on safari before heading to Cape Town. But how can I organize the visits logically?
I can already hear Michel telling me I'm overcomplicating things!! 😉
Anyway, it's all a bit confusing—don't hesitate to ask for clarification if you need it. I'd understand! Thanks, Dan
Second question: I booked 1 night at Forever Resort, but if we arrive from the top and then drive down the Panorama Route, I'm not sure that's the best choice.
Third question: Since we're leaving Kruger early in the morning, I think we can plan to explore the area in the afternoon. We'll sleep there, and then we need to be at our lodge in the Balule private reserve by late morning (Imagine Africa) to catch the afternoon safari. I'm worried it might be too short if we want to do a boat trip on the dam! What do you think? Should I add another night? It's still possible since I haven't planned the rest yet, and we have 7 nights left in Cape Town, including Hermanus! Do you think I should cut short the Cape Town stay? If so, I could break the BRC trip into two parts—one night after leaving Kruger before the private safari, and then come back this way (since it's not too far, I think) after the two nights on safari before heading to Cape Town. But how can I organize the visits logically?
I can already hear Michel telling me I'm overcomplicating things!! 😉
Anyway, it's all a bit confusing—don't hesitate to ask for clarification if you need it. I'd understand! Thanks, Dan
Hi there
We’re planning to do this route as a self-drive trip. There’ll be six of us, so with a large car—is the drive between Durban and Johannesburg manageable? Thanks for your feedback! Day 2: Cape Town Day 3: Cape of Good Hope Day 4: Hermanus, Cape Agulhas Day 5: Wine Route Day 6: Cape Town → Durban (flight) → St. Lucia Day 7: St. Lucia Day 8: Hluhluwe Day 9: Mlilwane Day 10: Sabi Sand Day 11: Sabi Sand Day 12: Kruger Day 13: Panoramic Route Day 14: Balule → Johannesburg
We’re planning to do this route as a self-drive trip. There’ll be six of us, so with a large car—is the drive between Durban and Johannesburg manageable? Thanks for your feedback! Day 2: Cape Town Day 3: Cape of Good Hope Day 4: Hermanus, Cape Agulhas Day 5: Wine Route Day 6: Cape Town → Durban (flight) → St. Lucia Day 7: St. Lucia Day 8: Hluhluwe Day 9: Mlilwane Day 10: Sabi Sand Day 11: Sabi Sand Day 12: Kruger Day 13: Panoramic Route Day 14: Balule → Johannesburg
Alright, this time it's definite—I'm heading to South Africa next October! 😎
Two weeks for a Kruger-Cape Town combo is short... but better than nothing 😉 Before booking the flight tickets, two quick preliminary questions (more will definitely follow): Is there a preferred direction (Kruger first or Cape Town first)? Is it better to go during the first half of October, the second half (or the middle 😏), or does the current unpredictable weather make it all pretty much the same in the end?
Two weeks for a Kruger-Cape Town combo is short... but better than nothing 😉 Before booking the flight tickets, two quick preliminary questions (more will definitely follow): Is there a preferred direction (Kruger first or Cape Town first)? Is it better to go during the first half of October, the second half (or the middle 😏), or does the current unpredictable weather make it all pretty much the same in the end?
Hello forum,
We’re a family of 4 adults (2 grown daughters) planning our first trip to South Africa for 3 weeks in August 2025, traveling independently. I’ve been drawing inspiration from several posts on the forum. I’d like to book our flight tickets and nights in Kruger Park as soon as possible since that’s the most urgent part to finalize, if I understood correctly.
Here’s a first draft of our itinerary (with lots of unknowns about what there’ll be to see/do in Eswatini, Lesotho, Durban, etc.—I feel like the Lesotho leg involves a lot of driving).
I’d really appreciate input from the experts to help us craft a great trip. Thanks in advance!
Day 1
Departure from Paris Day 2
Morning Early arrival in Johannesburg Pick up rental car Groceries Afternoon Sightseeing Night in AirBNB near Johannesburg (1/1) Day 3
Morning Drive to Blyde River Canyon (500 km - 6h30) Afternoon Visit the canyon Night in AirBNB near Blyde River Canyon (1/1) Day 4
Morning Drive to central Kruger (200 km - 3h30) Night in Rest Camp (1/2) Day 5
Night in Rest Camp (2/2) Day 6
Morning Drive to southern Kruger (150 km - 3h) Night in Rest Camp (1/3) Day 7
Night in Rest Camp (2/3) Day 8
Night in Rest Camp (3/3) Day 9
Morning Drive to Mbabane (Eswatini) (250 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB or other (1/1) Day 10
Morning Drive to Maputaland (300 km - 4h) Afternoon Swimming (hippos and crocs?) Night in AirBNB or other (1/1) Day 11
Morning Drive to Hluhluwe-Umfolozi (130 km - 2h) Night in Rest Camp (1/2) Day 12
Night in Rest Camp (2/2) Day 13
Morning Drive to Durban (250 km - 3h) Night in AirBNB (1/1) Day 14
Morning First half of drive to Lesotho (225 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB or other (1/1) Day 15
Morning Second half of drive to Lesotho (225 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB or other (1/1) Day 16
Morning First half of drive to Drakensberg (250 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB or other (1/1) Day 17
Morning Second half of drive to Drakensberg (250 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB or other (1/2) Day 18
Night in AirBNB or other (2/2) Day 19
Morning Drive to Johannesburg (300 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB (1/2) Day 20
Night in AirBNB (2/2) Day 21
Morning Departure in early afternoon Day 22
Arrival in Paris
We’re a family of 4 adults (2 grown daughters) planning our first trip to South Africa for 3 weeks in August 2025, traveling independently. I’ve been drawing inspiration from several posts on the forum. I’d like to book our flight tickets and nights in Kruger Park as soon as possible since that’s the most urgent part to finalize, if I understood correctly.
Here’s a first draft of our itinerary (with lots of unknowns about what there’ll be to see/do in Eswatini, Lesotho, Durban, etc.—I feel like the Lesotho leg involves a lot of driving).
I’d really appreciate input from the experts to help us craft a great trip. Thanks in advance!
Day 1
Departure from Paris Day 2
Morning Early arrival in Johannesburg Pick up rental car Groceries Afternoon Sightseeing Night in AirBNB near Johannesburg (1/1) Day 3
Morning Drive to Blyde River Canyon (500 km - 6h30) Afternoon Visit the canyon Night in AirBNB near Blyde River Canyon (1/1) Day 4
Morning Drive to central Kruger (200 km - 3h30) Night in Rest Camp (1/2) Day 5
Night in Rest Camp (2/2) Day 6
Morning Drive to southern Kruger (150 km - 3h) Night in Rest Camp (1/3) Day 7
Night in Rest Camp (2/3) Day 8
Night in Rest Camp (3/3) Day 9
Morning Drive to Mbabane (Eswatini) (250 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB or other (1/1) Day 10
Morning Drive to Maputaland (300 km - 4h) Afternoon Swimming (hippos and crocs?) Night in AirBNB or other (1/1) Day 11
Morning Drive to Hluhluwe-Umfolozi (130 km - 2h) Night in Rest Camp (1/2) Day 12
Night in Rest Camp (2/2) Day 13
Morning Drive to Durban (250 km - 3h) Night in AirBNB (1/1) Day 14
Morning First half of drive to Lesotho (225 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB or other (1/1) Day 15
Morning Second half of drive to Lesotho (225 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB or other (1/1) Day 16
Morning First half of drive to Drakensberg (250 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB or other (1/1) Day 17
Morning Second half of drive to Drakensberg (250 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB or other (1/2) Day 18
Night in AirBNB or other (2/2) Day 19
Morning Drive to Johannesburg (300 km - 4h) Night in AirBNB (1/2) Day 20
Night in AirBNB (2/2) Day 21
Morning Departure in early afternoon Day 22
Arrival in Paris
Bonjour à tous,
Nous sommes un couple et avons déjà réservé pour septembre 2020 un vol Nice- Johannesbourg et Le Cap-Nice par Qatar Airways (500 €).
J'ai commencé mes réservations (pour le Parc Kruger, plus de places à Skukuza, c'est incroyable ! du coup, j'ai du rajouter des jours à Satara et Lower Sabie mais pas dans les même bungalows ....)
Mon parcours serait :
1 nuit Dullstroom 2 nuits Graskop 2 nuits Satara 3 nuit Lower Sabie 2 nuits Swaziland (Mantega Lodge)
2 nuits PN Hluhluwe : je voudrais réserver 2 nuits au Mpila Camp mais nous n'aurons ni 4X4 ni SUV, juste une voiture compact (pas encore réservé) : pouvons nous quand même accéder au Camp ? et pourrons nous traverser le Parc avec cette voiture ?? (sur leur site, ils disent bien qu'un 4X4 serait préférable)
2 nuits Ste Lucia (si vous avez de bonnes adresses ..)
Vol Durban Le Cap
2 nuits Stellenbosh ou Franschhoek ? 5 nuits Camps Bay
Que pensez vous de mon circuit ?
Nous avons pensé peut être dormir plus longtemps à Ste Lucia et visiter le parc depuis cette destination mais 4 nuits, c'est peut être trop ? ou dormir en dehors du Parc ?
Ce parc vaut il vraiment le coup ? il y a aussi un autre Camp Hilltop, plus facile d'accès mais pas de très bonnes critiques ...
Je vous remercie beaucoup pour votre aide !
Bonne journée à tous Isabelle
Nous sommes un couple et avons déjà réservé pour septembre 2020 un vol Nice- Johannesbourg et Le Cap-Nice par Qatar Airways (500 €).
J'ai commencé mes réservations (pour le Parc Kruger, plus de places à Skukuza, c'est incroyable ! du coup, j'ai du rajouter des jours à Satara et Lower Sabie mais pas dans les même bungalows ....)
Mon parcours serait :
1 nuit Dullstroom 2 nuits Graskop 2 nuits Satara 3 nuit Lower Sabie 2 nuits Swaziland (Mantega Lodge)
2 nuits PN Hluhluwe : je voudrais réserver 2 nuits au Mpila Camp mais nous n'aurons ni 4X4 ni SUV, juste une voiture compact (pas encore réservé) : pouvons nous quand même accéder au Camp ? et pourrons nous traverser le Parc avec cette voiture ?? (sur leur site, ils disent bien qu'un 4X4 serait préférable)
2 nuits Ste Lucia (si vous avez de bonnes adresses ..)
Vol Durban Le Cap
2 nuits Stellenbosh ou Franschhoek ? 5 nuits Camps Bay
Que pensez vous de mon circuit ?
Nous avons pensé peut être dormir plus longtemps à Ste Lucia et visiter le parc depuis cette destination mais 4 nuits, c'est peut être trop ? ou dormir en dehors du Parc ?
Ce parc vaut il vraiment le coup ? il y a aussi un autre Camp Hilltop, plus facile d'accès mais pas de très bonnes critiques ...
Je vous remercie beaucoup pour votre aide !
Bonne journée à tous Isabelle
Hello everyone!
We’re heading to South Africa this summer (August 11 to September 1) and I’m finalizing our itinerary.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our route and specifically on two points:
- The time spent at each stop: does any seem too short or too long?
- The domestic flights: do you think they’re a good choice? (Flight from Kruger to Durban + Durban to Port Elizabeth) We’ll rent a car each time we land. Or is it better to do the whole trip by car?
Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to take a look!
Have a great day! !
Bonjour,
Je compte me rendre en Afrique du Sud dans quelques semaines. Etant noir moi-même, je me pose beaucoup de questions quant à "l'accueil" du pays.
Ayant déja un peu voyagé sur les 3 continents (Afrique - Asie -Amerique), j'ai bien entendu déja été confronté à des situations plus ou moins confortables, et mon humeur du moment n'est pas vraiment à la prise de tête en voyageant.
En d'autres termes, pourrait-on me refuser une chambre en auberge de jeunesse, en prétextant une raison bidon ? N'aurais-je pas plus de difficultés en sortant de Cap Town ?
Bien conscient que 40 années d'arpatheid ne se désintègrent comme ça pas dans la nature, je redoute quand même un peu ce trip.
Ya-t'il des noirs sur ce forum qui se sont déja rendus en Afrique du Sud ?
Cordialement.
Je compte me rendre en Afrique du Sud dans quelques semaines. Etant noir moi-même, je me pose beaucoup de questions quant à "l'accueil" du pays.
Ayant déja un peu voyagé sur les 3 continents (Afrique - Asie -Amerique), j'ai bien entendu déja été confronté à des situations plus ou moins confortables, et mon humeur du moment n'est pas vraiment à la prise de tête en voyageant.
En d'autres termes, pourrait-on me refuser une chambre en auberge de jeunesse, en prétextant une raison bidon ? N'aurais-je pas plus de difficultés en sortant de Cap Town ?
Bien conscient que 40 années d'arpatheid ne se désintègrent comme ça pas dans la nature, je redoute quand même un peu ce trip.
Ya-t'il des noirs sur ce forum qui se sont déja rendus en Afrique du Sud ?
Cordialement.
Hi everyone,
It's official—I've got our flight tickets for next October! Two weeks with my 16-year-old son, aiming to see plenty of big animals and birds.
Thanks to all of you for the wealth of information on this site.
After going through a good chunk of the forum and travel journals about South Africa, I think my itinerary is ready...
I’ve planned 2 days with long drives to minimize time spent outside the parks. These are Sunday the 18th: Johannesburg Airport to Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Reserve, and Friday the 23rd: St. Lucia to Nelspruit (staying in South Africa) or as close as possible to visit the Canyon the next day.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the itinerary, especially these 2 days—are they doable or not? Should I book in advance, or will there be places to sleep along the way if we don’t make it to our planned destination? What’s the crowd level in South Africa in October?
As for Kruger, I’ve chosen campsites with camping facilities, prioritizing the "satellite" camps, at least in the northern part!! I’ve planned to change camps almost every day to combine travel and wildlife spotting, but is this the right choice?
The itinerary:
Sunday 18th Arrival at 8:50 AM in Johannesburg Drive to Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Reserve 530 km, 7h20 1 night (18th–19th) at the northern gate
Monday 19th Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Reserve 1h30, 50 km 2nd night (19th–20th) southeast of the reserve
Tuesday 20th Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Reserve 3rd night (20th–21st) southeast of the reserve or Mpila
Wednesday 21st Reserve and drive to St. Lucia Drive to St. Lucia: 1h, 50 km Crocodile and hippo boat tour at 3 PM 4th night (21st–22nd) in St. Lucia Sugarloaf Campsites
Thursday 22nd Whale-watching tour 7–9 AM (or the next day) Cap Vidal, day trip: 70 km round trip 5th night (22nd–23rd) in St. Lucia Sugarloaf Campsites
Friday 23rd Drive to Nelspruit 541 km, 7h Night in Nelspruit 6th night (23rd–24th) in Graskop
Saturday 24th Blyde River Canyon 150 km, 2h + stops 7th night (24th–25th) at Blyde Canyon Forever Resort
Sunday 25th (Kruger Day 1) Leopard Trail hike: 3h Drive to Kruger, Phalaborwa Gate 136 km, 2h to the park entrance 75 km, 3h to Mopani - Tzende 8th night (25th–26th) Kruger 1: Tsendze
Monday 26th (Kruger Day 2) Drive to Balule: 84 km, 3h20 9th night (26th–27th) Kruger 2: Balule
Tuesday 27th (Kruger Day 3) Drive to Satara: 160 km, 6h25 10th night (27th–28th) Kruger 3: Satara
Wednesday 28th (Kruger Day 4) Kruger 11th night (28th–29th) Kruger 4: Satara
Thursday 29th (Kruger Day 5) Kruger 12th night (29th–30th) Kruger 5: Skukuza
Friday 30th (Kruger Day 6) Kruger 13th night (30th–31st) Kruger 6: Lower Sabi
Saturday 31st (Kruger Day 7) Kruger 14th night (31st–1st) Kruger 7: Berg-en-Dal
Sunday 31st Departure: flight at 9:15 PM (must be at the airport by 6 PM max) Morning in Kruger, then drive 400 km, 5h30—departure by 11 AM max
Thanks in advance for your feedback! Claude
It's official—I've got our flight tickets for next October! Two weeks with my 16-year-old son, aiming to see plenty of big animals and birds.
Thanks to all of you for the wealth of information on this site.
After going through a good chunk of the forum and travel journals about South Africa, I think my itinerary is ready...
I’ve planned 2 days with long drives to minimize time spent outside the parks. These are Sunday the 18th: Johannesburg Airport to Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Reserve, and Friday the 23rd: St. Lucia to Nelspruit (staying in South Africa) or as close as possible to visit the Canyon the next day.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the itinerary, especially these 2 days—are they doable or not? Should I book in advance, or will there be places to sleep along the way if we don’t make it to our planned destination? What’s the crowd level in South Africa in October?
As for Kruger, I’ve chosen campsites with camping facilities, prioritizing the "satellite" camps, at least in the northern part!! I’ve planned to change camps almost every day to combine travel and wildlife spotting, but is this the right choice?
The itinerary:
Sunday 18th Arrival at 8:50 AM in Johannesburg Drive to Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Reserve 530 km, 7h20 1 night (18th–19th) at the northern gate
Monday 19th Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Reserve 1h30, 50 km 2nd night (19th–20th) southeast of the reserve
Tuesday 20th Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Reserve 3rd night (20th–21st) southeast of the reserve or Mpila
Wednesday 21st Reserve and drive to St. Lucia Drive to St. Lucia: 1h, 50 km Crocodile and hippo boat tour at 3 PM 4th night (21st–22nd) in St. Lucia Sugarloaf Campsites
Thursday 22nd Whale-watching tour 7–9 AM (or the next day) Cap Vidal, day trip: 70 km round trip 5th night (22nd–23rd) in St. Lucia Sugarloaf Campsites
Friday 23rd Drive to Nelspruit 541 km, 7h Night in Nelspruit 6th night (23rd–24th) in Graskop
Saturday 24th Blyde River Canyon 150 km, 2h + stops 7th night (24th–25th) at Blyde Canyon Forever Resort
Sunday 25th (Kruger Day 1) Leopard Trail hike: 3h Drive to Kruger, Phalaborwa Gate 136 km, 2h to the park entrance 75 km, 3h to Mopani - Tzende 8th night (25th–26th) Kruger 1: Tsendze
Monday 26th (Kruger Day 2) Drive to Balule: 84 km, 3h20 9th night (26th–27th) Kruger 2: Balule
Tuesday 27th (Kruger Day 3) Drive to Satara: 160 km, 6h25 10th night (27th–28th) Kruger 3: Satara
Wednesday 28th (Kruger Day 4) Kruger 11th night (28th–29th) Kruger 4: Satara
Thursday 29th (Kruger Day 5) Kruger 12th night (29th–30th) Kruger 5: Skukuza
Friday 30th (Kruger Day 6) Kruger 13th night (30th–31st) Kruger 6: Lower Sabi
Saturday 31st (Kruger Day 7) Kruger 14th night (31st–1st) Kruger 7: Berg-en-Dal
Sunday 31st Departure: flight at 9:15 PM (must be at the airport by 6 PM max) Morning in Kruger, then drive 400 km, 5h30—departure by 11 AM max
Thanks in advance for your feedback! Claude
Hi everyone,
Is it possible to change the dates or cancel a reservation in Kruger Park, please? What’s the process, and are there any fees involved? Thanks for sharing your experiences on this!
Dan
Bonjour a tous.
Je suis en pleine organisation de mon futur voyage en Afrique du Sud pour 2 semaines a partir de mi juin. Nous sommes 5 personnes, ma femmes, moi et les enfants de 20ans, 15ans et 13ans.
Programme : arrivée Johannesburg, location voiture direction blyde river pour 2 nuits puis parc national Kruger 4 jours ( quel sont les meilleurs camps ?) Puis Swaziland, et je pense aussi faire le cap pour quelques jours.
Si vous avez des endroits à me proposer.
Merci par avance.
Hi there,
Hope the pros are on the lookout!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
Hi everyone again 🙂
I was thinking of continuing the questions from my first post, but since the title was changed... I’m starting a new thread
The plane should land on Saturday around 11 AM. After collecting luggage and the car, I think we’ll leave the airport between 1 and 2 PM. Question #1: Where should we stop along the way, allowing some buffer time so we don’t end up driving at night if the flight is delayed? (The idea isn’t to sightsee but just to take a break while making progress toward Kruger.)
We’ll spend part of Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday (a little over 4 days) in Kruger. Questions #2 and beyond: What route should we take? I’ve considered two options: either enter from the south (Malelane Gate?) and head north up to the Olifants area to exit at Orpen Gate. How many accommodations should we book in this case, and where? Or enter at Orpen Gate and exit near Hazyview (or the other way around, and near Hazyview, should it be Paul Kruger Gate or Phabeni?). In this case, it would allow us to spend 2 nights in one place and 2 in another, but we’d skip the south (or is it possible to visit it in a day?) Well, for accommodations (accessible by sedan), all suggestions are welcome… but I’ve checked October availability, and there aren’t many left 😕 I plan to spend Thursday in the park and exit before it closes to sleep outside, which would save time the next day for the drive to the airport. I was thinking of Hazyview (again, no sightseeing since we already visited the area in 2009), but do you have another/better idea?
For clarity, here’s a summary of the Kruger part: Day 1: Arrival in Johannesburg and drive to ? Day 2: Enter Kruger (likely late morning or early afternoon) Days 3, 4, and 5: Kruger with exit at the end of Day 5 Day 6: Drive to the airport for the Cape Town and surrounds portion
Regarding Kruger bookings, it seems (I lost my old notes when my hard drive crashed—I backed up work documents but not vacation ones, what a mess!) that you can monitor reservations, and if a preferred accommodation becomes available, you can book it and cancel the old one. Is that still the case? (And is it easy to do?)
Thanks in advance for your answers. I’m off to reread travel journals about Cape Town and will probably be back with more questions (the accommodation availability issue seems less urgent there, so less of a priority).
I was thinking of continuing the questions from my first post, but since the title was changed... I’m starting a new thread
The plane should land on Saturday around 11 AM. After collecting luggage and the car, I think we’ll leave the airport between 1 and 2 PM. Question #1: Where should we stop along the way, allowing some buffer time so we don’t end up driving at night if the flight is delayed? (The idea isn’t to sightsee but just to take a break while making progress toward Kruger.)
We’ll spend part of Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday (a little over 4 days) in Kruger. Questions #2 and beyond: What route should we take? I’ve considered two options: either enter from the south (Malelane Gate?) and head north up to the Olifants area to exit at Orpen Gate. How many accommodations should we book in this case, and where? Or enter at Orpen Gate and exit near Hazyview (or the other way around, and near Hazyview, should it be Paul Kruger Gate or Phabeni?). In this case, it would allow us to spend 2 nights in one place and 2 in another, but we’d skip the south (or is it possible to visit it in a day?) Well, for accommodations (accessible by sedan), all suggestions are welcome… but I’ve checked October availability, and there aren’t many left 😕 I plan to spend Thursday in the park and exit before it closes to sleep outside, which would save time the next day for the drive to the airport. I was thinking of Hazyview (again, no sightseeing since we already visited the area in 2009), but do you have another/better idea?
For clarity, here’s a summary of the Kruger part: Day 1: Arrival in Johannesburg and drive to ? Day 2: Enter Kruger (likely late morning or early afternoon) Days 3, 4, and 5: Kruger with exit at the end of Day 5 Day 6: Drive to the airport for the Cape Town and surrounds portion
Regarding Kruger bookings, it seems (I lost my old notes when my hard drive crashed—I backed up work documents but not vacation ones, what a mess!) that you can monitor reservations, and if a preferred accommodation becomes available, you can book it and cancel the old one. Is that still the case? (And is it easy to do?)
Thanks in advance for your answers. I’m off to reread travel journals about Cape Town and will probably be back with more questions (the accommodation availability issue seems less urgent there, so less of a priority).
Bonjour
Nous partons mi février avec nos 2 ados (pas vraiment enchantés à priori, j'espère que cela changera sur place😛)
Nous commençons par le cap 4 nuits, puis remontons en vol interne sur Joburg pour le kruger et Blyde.
nos Camps dans le kruger sont : -Berg en dal le 1er soir, mais l'arrivée risque d'être vers la fin d'aprem vu que notre avion atterrit à Joburg à 11h10. -Lower sabie 1 nuit le lendemain -Puis on va faire un tour sur Blyde 2 nuits et retour sur le Kruger (conseil d’Attila de faire une pause hors du parc notamment pour les ados😛 .....) -satara 2 nuits -Olifants 1 nuit puis retour de bonne heure pour reprendre notre vol qui décolle à 23h30 de joburg.
Ma question vous qui connaissez les rest camps : Que me conseillez vous en plus de nos propres sorties ? En walk ou drive avec les rangers, matin ou soir, et à partir de quel rest camp?
Merci d'avance🙂
Nous partons mi février avec nos 2 ados (pas vraiment enchantés à priori, j'espère que cela changera sur place😛)
Nous commençons par le cap 4 nuits, puis remontons en vol interne sur Joburg pour le kruger et Blyde.
nos Camps dans le kruger sont : -Berg en dal le 1er soir, mais l'arrivée risque d'être vers la fin d'aprem vu que notre avion atterrit à Joburg à 11h10. -Lower sabie 1 nuit le lendemain -Puis on va faire un tour sur Blyde 2 nuits et retour sur le Kruger (conseil d’Attila de faire une pause hors du parc notamment pour les ados😛 .....) -satara 2 nuits -Olifants 1 nuit puis retour de bonne heure pour reprendre notre vol qui décolle à 23h30 de joburg.
Ma question vous qui connaissez les rest camps : Que me conseillez vous en plus de nos propres sorties ? En walk ou drive avec les rangers, matin ou soir, et à partir de quel rest camp?
Merci d'avance🙂
Bonjour j'aimerais avoir quelques conseils sur les itinéraires et les moyens de déplacements au lesotho.
Nous partons 13 jours en mars avec un départ/arrivée de johannesburg.
Nous avons prévu de faire un trek à cheval de 6 jours au lesotho au départ de Maseru.
1) Quels sont les moyen de s'y rendre depuis joburg (autre qu'avion)?
J'aimerais pouvoir poursuivre la suite du voyage par le sani pass puis dragensberg, swatziland et finir par le kruger.
2) Est ce faisable en si peu de jour? vaut-il mieux faire l'itinéraire dans l'autre sens?
3) nous n'aurions pas de voiture au lesotho, savez comment peut-on faire le trajet de maseru à durban? sachant que nous voudrions louer une voiture pour la fin du voyage.
Merci pour vos réponses, et n'hésitez pas à poser des questions si je n'ai pas été assez claire.
Merci pour vos réponses, et n'hésitez pas à poser des questions si je n'ai pas été assez claire.
Hello,
Je compte me rendre un mois en janvier à Cap Town pour étudier l'anglais, mon entourage me mets en garde concernant la sécurité de cette ville ... A y'a t il un risque et à quel niveau ? Je serai hébergé en famille d'accueil et en études, autrement des excursions ou plage, ne sort pas seule le soir. Merci de vos retours ! 😉
Bonjour à tous,
Après avoir ces dernières années privilégier l'Asie, nous allons découvrir l'Afrique en commençant par l'Afrique du Sud (espérons que ce n'est qu'un début!). J'ai lu les guides (Lonely et Routard), les carnets de voyage et les discussion sur ce site. Mon itinéraire a changé sans arrêt à tel point que je suis un peu perdue. Aussi, je soumets à vos avis, conseils l'itinéraire sur lequel je me suis arrêtée à ce jour. Vol pris - départ le lundi 27 janvier - arrivée Le Cap 6H45 le mardi 28 / Retour samedi 8 février à 8h30. voici mon projet d'itinéraire : Mardi 28 janvier - vol à destination de PE vers 11h - arrivée PE vers 12h30 - Arrivée à l'entrée d'Addo Park vers 16h. Découverte puis nuit soit dans le Park ou à proximité (avis souhaité) Mercredi 29 janvier - matin découverte d'ADDO puis départ vers Schotia (arrivée 14:45) pour safaris et nuit Jeudi 30 janvier - Safari à Schotia tôt le matin - découverte vers 10h pour la Garden Route - (activités à creuser)- Nuit à Storms River ou Nature's Valley Vendredi 31/01 - Balade le long de la Garden Route - nuit à Wilderness (activités à creuser) Samedi 01/02 - découverte Oudtshoorn - Prince Albert - Swartberg Pass - Nuit à Calitzdorp Dimanche 02/02 - En route vers les vignobles - Déjeuner à Boschendal - nuit à Franschhoek Lundi 03/02 - Babylonstoren - Stellenbosch et là dilemme soit nuit au Cap ou à Hermanus (si en février cela vaut le coup) Mardi 04/02 au vendredi 07/02 - Le Cap. En commençant par la Péninsule si nuit à Hermanus. Mais il est aussi peut-être possible d'aller directement au Cap le lundi soir et de faire Hermanus la journée de découverte de la Péninsule. Pensez-vous que 4 jours au Cap c'est trop. Samedi 08/02 - Vol à destination de la France à 8h30. Merci d'avance pour vos conseils et avis et suggestions d'activités sur les trajets et d'hébergement.
Après avoir ces dernières années privilégier l'Asie, nous allons découvrir l'Afrique en commençant par l'Afrique du Sud (espérons que ce n'est qu'un début!). J'ai lu les guides (Lonely et Routard), les carnets de voyage et les discussion sur ce site. Mon itinéraire a changé sans arrêt à tel point que je suis un peu perdue. Aussi, je soumets à vos avis, conseils l'itinéraire sur lequel je me suis arrêtée à ce jour. Vol pris - départ le lundi 27 janvier - arrivée Le Cap 6H45 le mardi 28 / Retour samedi 8 février à 8h30. voici mon projet d'itinéraire : Mardi 28 janvier - vol à destination de PE vers 11h - arrivée PE vers 12h30 - Arrivée à l'entrée d'Addo Park vers 16h. Découverte puis nuit soit dans le Park ou à proximité (avis souhaité) Mercredi 29 janvier - matin découverte d'ADDO puis départ vers Schotia (arrivée 14:45) pour safaris et nuit Jeudi 30 janvier - Safari à Schotia tôt le matin - découverte vers 10h pour la Garden Route - (activités à creuser)- Nuit à Storms River ou Nature's Valley Vendredi 31/01 - Balade le long de la Garden Route - nuit à Wilderness (activités à creuser) Samedi 01/02 - découverte Oudtshoorn - Prince Albert - Swartberg Pass - Nuit à Calitzdorp Dimanche 02/02 - En route vers les vignobles - Déjeuner à Boschendal - nuit à Franschhoek Lundi 03/02 - Babylonstoren - Stellenbosch et là dilemme soit nuit au Cap ou à Hermanus (si en février cela vaut le coup) Mardi 04/02 au vendredi 07/02 - Le Cap. En commençant par la Péninsule si nuit à Hermanus. Mais il est aussi peut-être possible d'aller directement au Cap le lundi soir et de faire Hermanus la journée de découverte de la Péninsule. Pensez-vous que 4 jours au Cap c'est trop. Samedi 08/02 - Vol à destination de la France à 8h30. Merci d'avance pour vos conseils et avis et suggestions d'activités sur les trajets et d'hébergement.
Hello,
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
Hello everyone!
It's been a year since I've been longing for South Africa. Our first trip in August 2025 amazed us, and—rarely—it was a unanimous hit with our little family! We were touched to the core, and from the moment we got home, we couldn’t stop talking about going back. 😄
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who gave me advice on the itinerary for that first trip (Johannesburg loop: Blyde, Kruger, Eswatini, St. Lucia, Durban, Drakensberg)! Thanks to you, our trip went like a dream!
Since then, I haven’t stopped reading articles and discussions on VoyageForum to keep my head in South Africa a little longer!
So, we finally caved and just booked our tickets for January 2027 (from the 3rd to the 26th), with a plan to do a road trip from Cape Town to Johannesburg in about 3 weeks.
I’ve got a rough itinerary that seems great based on what I’ve read on various forums, but there are still some uncertain points, and that’s where I could use your advice.
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM 4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing 5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?) 8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...) 9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?) 11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!) 13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure) 16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...) 18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP 21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!) 22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now... I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments... Can’t wait to be back there again!
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM 4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing 5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?) 8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...) 9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?) 11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!) 13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure) 16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...) 18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP 21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!) 22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now... I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments... Can’t wait to be back there again!
Hi there. We’ll be in South Africa at the end of February ’26 with a rental car—not a 4x4.
What’s the best route between Kosy Bay and the southern part of Kruger Park?
Is the Mozambique route via Maputo a good option?
What are the formalities for crossing into Mozambique?
Is the Kosy Bay area worth a detour?
We’ll be entering Kruger from the south for 4 days. Any recommendations for routes/campsites? Lower Sabie, Satara?
Do we really need to book accommodations in Kruger in February? And what about safaris?
Thanks for your input!
Franz
It seems that cooking equipment and utensils aren’t provided in the bungalows at the rest camps in Kruger Park 🤪
We’ve booked bungalows at Shingwedzi, Olifants, Mopani, and Satara.
What cooking equipment is provided for preparing meals? Is it better to bring our own gear?
Thanks so much for your feedback!😎
Hello
Now that the Kruger part is (almost) wrapped up, I’m looking at the "Cape region" section.
The idea of spending 2 days (well, more like 2 nights and 1.5 days) in the Cederberg is really tempting 😎.
I’ve reread the posts about it—more or less (actually, more less than more)—and I still have quite a few questions: - Where’s the best area to stay? Initially, I was looking at Kagga Kama, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the cost (or the trip, for that matter), or maybe Mount Ceder? Or somewhere else (without driving 6 or 8 hours from CT 😉)? The plan is to get there in a sedan (if possible), see some beautiful landscapes, and do one or two hikes (nothing too tough 😛). - I read that you need a permit to hike there... where do you buy it? (At the entrance, like in Kruger? 🤪) - Is October a good time for the weather (theoretically...)?
Now that the Kruger part is (almost) wrapped up, I’m looking at the "Cape region" section.
The idea of spending 2 days (well, more like 2 nights and 1.5 days) in the Cederberg is really tempting 😎.
I’ve reread the posts about it—more or less (actually, more less than more)—and I still have quite a few questions: - Where’s the best area to stay? Initially, I was looking at Kagga Kama, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the cost (or the trip, for that matter), or maybe Mount Ceder? Or somewhere else (without driving 6 or 8 hours from CT 😉)? The plan is to get there in a sedan (if possible), see some beautiful landscapes, and do one or two hikes (nothing too tough 😛). - I read that you need a permit to hike there... where do you buy it? (At the entrance, like in Kruger? 🤪) - Is October a good time for the weather (theoretically...)?
