Bonjour ! 🙂
Après avoir lu divers guides, vos réponses aux questions des voyageurs ainsi que l'aide personnelle de certains d'entre vous (de bbirdy tout particulièrement) je viens enfin, après pas mal de questionnements, soumettre notre itinéraire à votre avis, vos conseils pour ce circuit à deux ( mon mari et moi-même)!
Tout d'abord quelques préalables : durée :3 grosses semaines . époque: fin septembre-octobre arrivée à Johannesbourg, retour depuis Le Cap vol intérieur de Durban->Le Cap probablement en 4x4 pour la 1ère partie (visibilité, sécurité et accès à certains endroits) logements : hors lodges et hôtels super-luxueux- et, lorsque c'est possible, le plus près de la nature (tente safari) pour autant qu'il y ait un restaurant ! éviterons de loger dans les grandes villes (comme lors de tous nos voyages car principalement mon mari y est allergique ! ) exception faite du Cap. recherchons les animaux, les paysages et le côté nature "sauvage" du pays bien que nous soyons conscients que ce sera bien éloigné de l'ambiance de la Namibie que ns avons visitée en septembre 2006...
Première mouture de notre itinéraire :
j 1 et 2 : Johbourg -> Pilanesberg nuits 1et2 au Pilanesberg ou environs proches
j 3 et 4 : route "Pila" -> Mapungubwe N.P.-visite du parc nuit 3et4 au Mapungubwe
j 5 : route Mapungubwe-Kruger N nuit 5 à Punda Maria
j 6 (+7): route Punda Maria -> Olifants nuit 6 à Olifants ou Letaba (?) ds ce camp il y a des safari-tents...
visite du centre du Kruger nuit 7 : ds le même camp que la veille ou à Satara pour une meilleure position pour rayonner ? ?
j 8 :quittons 1 journée le Kruger pour le circuit Blide River Canyon ->Sabie nuit 8 : ds les environs de Sabie ? ( un endroit qui en vaut vraiment la peine ? ) ou Lower Sabie (safari-tents aussi !) (est-ce possible question temps ?)
j 9 : visite du centre S et du S du Kruger nuit 9 : Lower Sabie
J 10 :route Lower Sabie -> Swaziland nuit 10: ds une (laquelle ? ) des réserves du Swazi
j 11(+12) :route Swazi -> kosi Bay (pour la nature pas pour la plongée !)nuits 11 et 12 à Kosi B
j 13 : route Kosi Bay -> Hluhluwe-Umfolozi
j14 : visite de la réserve nuits 13+14 ds le parc
j 15 :fin de visite du parc + route -> Sta Lucia et rég.Cap Vidal nuit 15 à Sta Lucia
j 16 :route vers les Drakensbergs mais dilemme -aidez-moi svp ! :commencer par le nord /route Richards Bay (R34 puis R68)-Dundee -Ladysmith (afin de ne pas faire la visite S-N et retour par la même route) ? ou commencer par le S ? nuit 16 : à ? dans le Royal Natal N.P. ou Bergville (suivant la durée du trajet)
j+ nuit 17 : visite du R Natal NP
j 18 :route vers Drakensbergs du S nuit 18 :à Underberg ou Himeville (faut-il tout 1 J pour ce trajet ? )
j 19 :route a-r Sani Passnuit 19 : idem 18 ou endroit intermédiaire afin de se rapprocher de Durban(ou on espère ne pas devoir loger !) ? ?
j 20 :route -> Durban aéroport ( durée ? ? de vos réponses dépendra que l'on loge à Durban avant de ns envoler pour Le Cap), remise voiture et vol (kulala)-> Cap Town -prise nouvelle voiture : est-ce possible sans arriver après 17 h? nuit 20 :au N de Cap Town vers Milnerton ? pour sa vue sur La table...
J 21 :tour de la péninsule et visite "rapide "de Groot Constantia nuit 21 : Simon's Town (le Rocklands b&b semble si bien situé !)
j 22 :matinée au Cap et -> sommet de La Table - route vers Hermanus et ses baleines 😎! nuit 22 : Hermanus (ou environs proches)
j 23 : environs d'Hermanus- route Cap Agulhas -route vers Montagu nuit 23 ds les environs de Montagu si nos amis qui se partagent entre l'Afr.du S et la Hollande sont là sinon idem que 22
j 24 :dernière journée au Cap nuit 24 ds l'avion
Voilà notre première ébauche !
Comme vous pouvez le constater il reste encore pas mal de ?
- ns comptons justement sur vous pour les combler !😉
Tous vos avis, conseils seront les bienvenus ainsi que vos suggestions d'ajouter ou retirer un j, de suivre un autre trajet entre 2 endroits, un lieu à visiter alors que ns l'aurions oublié ou au contraire un à zapper ...
Nous aimerions ne pas trop "avalerer"de km (comme ce fut le cas pour la Namibie si grande !)
S'il faut ajouter 1 ou 2 j à cet itinéraire pour être plus cool : aucun problème, dites-le nous !
Je suis impatiente de recevoir vos retours, déjà merci ! 🙂
Bonjour à tous ! 🙂
Devrais-je alléger, raccourcir mon message dont la longueur, peut-être, rebute les plus enthousiastes ? 😊
Patience, patience !
A bientôt, j'espère, les habituels passionnés d'Afrique du Sud ! 😉
Pourtant, j'ai laissé un peu de temps aux autres VFistes pour répondre... Alors je m'y colle encore une fois !
J6 et 7 : Olifant est un camp assez spectaculaire car on domine la vallée, mais il n'est peut-être pas le plus pratique pour rayonner autour. Letaba est proche d'une rivière où l'on voit pas mal d'animaux. Quant à Satara, je le recommande vivement pour sa situation au milieu du territoire des fauves. J8 : si je comprends bien, tu te demandes si tu dois dormir vers le Blyde River Canyon ou si tu fais un aller-retour dans la journée depuis Kruger, voire ne pas aller au canyon... Lors de mon 1er voyage, j'avais campé pas loin du canyon et j'avais trouvé le coin assez chouette, surtout Bourke Potholes. L'été dernier, j'y suis retourné, en aller-retour dans la journée depuis Kruger (2x120 km environ) et j'ai été nettement moins emballé. Evidemment, il n'y avait plus l'effet de découverte, mais ça faisait finalement pas mal de bornes pour peu de temps sur place. Faut-il vraiment y aller ? Ca dépend un peu de ce que tu as déjà vu, mais tu ne trouveras peut-être pas ça si super que ça... J10 : moi j'ai dormi à Mlilwane, c'est probablement l'étape la plus simple au Swaziland, mais on y est arrivé tard (on était à la bourre) et on n'a pas vu grand chose de la réserve. J13 et 14 : prévoir une nuit dans chaque camp si possible. J15 : une 2ème nuit à Ste Lucia serait préférable car le coin est plutôt sympa. J16 et après : si je devais rallier le nord du Drakensberg, je passerai en effet par Dundee/LadySmith ou Greytown/Ladysmith. Nuit 20 : je ne sais pas trop si Milnerton se trouve près de Tableview, mais sache que le coin est très urbanisé (si tu n'aimes pas trop ça). J22 : le seul problème c'est qu'il est difficile de programmer à l'avance le temps sur la Table, et qu'on y monte quand il fait beau... Pour la péninsule et Le Cap, 1 journée supplémentaire serait peut-être la bienvenue...
Voilà Michelle, mais je ne doute pas que d'autres te fourniront aussi des informations !
🙂🙂🙂 Ouîî une réponse !
Je me souviens, bbirdy de ton mail sur Blyde où tu parlais des incendies mais je pense que les paysages valent la peine !
Ce qui me chiffonne un peu c'est de savoir si ns aurons-nous le temps de faire le trajet Satara-> la route de la Blyde River puis le trajet -> Lower Sabie ?
Ou s'il vaut-il mieux loger une nuit -intermédiaire- vers Sabie puis continuer notre circuit-> Lower Sabie etc ?
Ton choix de Satara : adopté ! (tant pis si on doit plier bagages une fois de plus !) 😊
Tu dis que tu es arrivé tard au Swaziland : combien de temps faut-il approximativement pour faire Satara-->Swaziland ?
Et le trajet Swaziland--> Kosi Bay facile en 1 J ?
Pour Umfolozi et Hluhluwe merci, bbirdy, ns suivrons ton conseil de rester 1 J dans chacun.
Sta Lucia ns suivrons probablemt aussi ton idée d'un 2ème J.
O.K.aussi pour le trajet aller --> Drakensberg en passant par Ladysmith (c'était d'ailleurs l'idée de mon mari !)
Malheureusemt il me manque le renseignemt trajet sud Drakensberg --> Durban mais je ne désespère pas qu'un "gentil V F"y réponde ! 😉
L'ascension de La Table c'est sûr que ns ne la ferons qu'en fonction du temps (j'espère qu'on aura autant de chance que toi !) mais puisque ns serons au Cap pour 5 j on croise déjà les doigts !
Encore merci pour ton aide, bbirdy !
@ bientôt, très probablement ! 😊 😉
Ca me parait vraiment court de faire Satara - Blyde River Canyon - Lower Sabie en 1 journée car il faut trainer un peu autour de Satara le matin en espérant voir des fauves, et Lower Sabie est vraiment à l'extrêmité sud-est du parc et ça fait un sacré bout de route. Une étape est donc nécessaire...
Lors de notre escale à Mlilwane, on ne venait pas de Kruger mais du sud, de Ndumo précisément. On n'a pas quitté le parc très tôt, et la route s'est avérée assez longue, avec 1 heure de perdue à passer la frontière et de nombreux travaux sur les routes Swazilandaises. Cela dit, Mlilwane - Kosi Bay est faisable dans le journée mais il ne faut pas trainer...
Une fois de plus je me rends compte que c'est plus facile de tracer une route sur la carte que de la parcourir réellement ! 😊
j'avais aussi perdu de vue les mails(dont les tiens !) qui parlaient des travaux sur les routes au Swaziland .
merci pour ces rappels à la dure réalité !😛
Qq éléments sur lesquels je peux répondre :
J8 : commne BBirdy je pense que le Blyde River Canyon ne peut pas se faire en aller retour depuis Kruger, c'est vraiment trop loin. J'ai passé une nuit à Sabie, qui pour moi ne vaut pas le coup. Peut-être Graskop ?
J10 : j'ai passé la nuit à Mlilwane où tu peux dormir dans des huttes swazi. La réserve est vraiment calme, pas chère, des animaux mais pas de fauves donc tu peux te promener à pied sans riques (attention crocos et hippos quand même) et ça fait du bien après le Kruger où tu es souvent assis dans la voiture.
J19 : Sani Pass. J'ai vu que tu louais un 4x4, mais je te déconseille fortement d'entreprendre toi-même la montée au Sani Pass. La fin de la route est dans un état...... et en pente plus que raide avc virages sur virages et tu ne vois pas si qqun descend🤪. Laisse le 4x4 en bas et fait une excursion organisée. Moi aussi j'aurais préférer la faire moi-même mais finalement je suis contente d'avoir abandonner cette idée.
photo d'une partie de la route http://www.meurik-en-vacances.com/pages/spreview_969.html
La photo n'est pas assez parlante, ça donnerait même envie d'aller à l'aventure mais moi perso je te le déconseille.
Je ne sais pas si d'autres on réalisé cette montée. J'espère que tu auras d'autres avis.
Pour le reste ça à l'air de tenir la route.
Alors bon vent et ouvre l'oeil😛
Cordialement
Meurik
Bonjour Marieke et merci pour ta réponse 🙂🙂🙂 !
Si tu n'a pas bcp aimé Sabie, n'est-ce pas à cause de la fatigue du voyage ? 😊
Nous suivrons donc ton conseil (et celui de bbirdy) et ns choisirons un hébergement ds la région de Sabie, Graskop ou les environs .
Pour le Swaziland ns n'avons pas encore choisi notre route mais venant de Lower Sabie et allant à kosi Bay après, ns longerons peut-être l'Est du pays( Hlane R NP ou MkayaNR ?) mais je ne vois pas bien la route à prendre !
Pour le Sani Pass, c'est vrai que ta photo semble refléter une ambiance paisible !!
Ce sera surtout mon mari qui conduira, il n'aime pas bcp être passager ! 😉 Il a Tb(!) conduit en Namibie et a eu l'habitude sur les routes du Zaïre où ns avons vécu longtps.
Mais j'avais pensé à l'option offerte par certains hébergements. Tu fais bien de préciser ce point de difficulté !
Nous ajoutons 1 j à Sta Lucia cm tu ns l'avais conseillé ds 1 autre mail 😉 .
Simba ns conseillait le Mkhuze game R, option qui ns tentait mais ns avons dû supprimer plusieurs de nos envies sinon les rallonges sont infinies 😊 !
Encore merci 🙂🙂🙂pour ton aide Marieke car j'étais un peu inquiète autant que étonnée 😕 du peu d'écho à ma discussion !
J'avais envisagé Hlane, mais j'ai eu des échos plutôt négatifs (sur le forum je crois) comme le fait que les fauves sont dans un enclos spécifiques pour lequel il faut payer un supplément !
bonjour,
avec ma petite famille, nous avons effectué un périple de 5 mois en Afrique australe en 2006-2007 en fourgon et tentes .Je ne pourrais pas répondre à tout, mais je vais vous donner quelques infos .Pour des coins natures sauvages, je vous conseille Port st Johns entre East London et Port Sheptone, au niveau d'Umtata .le camping s'apelle Cremorne estate, en continuant le chemin de terre à pied, vous découvrierez la foret primaire, il en reste encore mais pour combien de temps, vous vous émerveillerez sur la diversité de la flore .plus loin et en voiture vous aurez des vues superbes sur la cote sauvage, mais baignade non conseillée pour cause de courants et de ...requins ! A coté de Cape Town, allez à Simmonstown pour voir une colonie de manchots sur une superbe plage où vous pourrez vous y baigner avec .Puis le parc du cap de bonne espérence .St Lucia et Sodwana bay sont de bons choix .A Sodwana on a espéré de voir les tortues venir pondre, mais pas de chance, aucune malgré 4 h de marche nocturne .Pour Hluhluwe, nous avons été deçu, car on a vu surtout des zèbres et des impalas (il est vrai que l'on avait fait le plein d'animaux, d'images bien sur !, au parc Manyara en Tanzanie .Allez sur mon site, vous y trouverez plus d'infos, des photos pour vous rendre compte de ce qui peut vous y attendre et des liens vers des clips pour faire rever avant :
www.lesvoyageursnatures.net
Aprés cela, n'hésitez pas à me contacter pour des plus amples infos .A bientot
"L'émerveillement est le premier pas vers le respect , le deuxième est la connaissance , la protection sera le troisième"
Nicolas Hulot revisité par f. Besnard
Bonjour Frederic ! 🙂
C'est un fort beau voyage que vous avez entrepris !
Je viens d'aller faire un tour sur votre site, très bien fait, j'y ai trouvé plusieurs renseignements qui m'intéresseront(certains logements mais ns ne campons pas).
Encore merci pour votre intervention et votre site :un moment d'évasion ...
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Je soumets à vos commentaires, critiques et conseils un nouveau projet de circuit de 3 semaines en afrique australe en autonomie et 4x4 équipé camping Jour 1:…
March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Hi there,
I’m considering camping in Nyungwe Park with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) at Uwinka campsite. Problem: the park rents the tent but without any gear (mattresses, blankets). We don’t have a car. Is it possible to rent or buy mattresses and blankets near the park, please?
Thanks for your help
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hello,
We’re planning a route from Maun to Kazane and Victoria Falls for May 2027 in a Toyota Hilux 4x4, staying in lodges (no camping). Here’s the rough outline:
- Maun: Arrival likely from Johannesburg, 2 nights
- Khwai: 2 nights
- Return to Maun
- Need to decide on a stop between Maun and Sepopa?
- Sepopa: 2 nights
- Cross into Namibia: Bagani, 2 nights
- Kongola: 2 nights
- Katima Mulilo: 2 nights
- Kasane: 3 or 4 nights
- Victoria Falls: 1 or 2 nights
- Return to France from Kasane or Victoria Falls
What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations.
Thanks for any feedback on this plan!
Ailleurs 64
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work.
I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts.
So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza
Ngenda
Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi
Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas)
Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions:
-Is French still widely spoken?
-Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info?
-Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back?
-Is it possible to go hiking solo?
-Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share.
Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind.
I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south:
14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie
17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza
20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara
22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants
25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere.
28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel.
29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance!
Nicole
Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers.
We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering:
Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later)
Pretoria – 2 days
Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day
Acornhoek – 1 day
Letaba – 2 days
Lobamba – 2 days
Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days
Cape of Good Hope – 1 day
Stellenbosch – 1 day
Hermanus – 1 day
Mossel Bay – 2 days
Oudtshoorn
Wilderness – 2 days
Knysna
Port Elizabeth – 2 days
Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions.
We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!