Enfants voyageant aux États-Unis et question sur passeports
by Corinne3783
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Mes enfants vont partir aux EU, ils ont la double nationalite mais n'ont qu'un passeport américain. Cela va t-il poser un problème lors de leur en France. Je suis Francaise, divorcée d'un Américain et mes enfants vont voyager seuls. Je suis tres inquiète, merci de votre aide !
Bonjour,
Mes enfants vont partir aux EU, ils ont la double nationalite mais n'ont qu'un passeport américain. Cela va t-il poser un problème lors de leur en France. Je suis Francaise, divorcée d'un Américain et mes enfants vont voyager seuls. Je suis tres inquiète, merci de votre aide !
Bonjour,
Le plus simple serait de faire un passeport Français. A ce moment là, ils utiliseraient leur passeport Américain pour entrer aux US à l'aller... et le Français pour le retour. S'ils sont trop court en temps, voyager avec une carte d'identité Française pour le retour.
Bonjour,
Le plus simple serait de faire un passeport Français. A ce moment là, ils utiliseraient leur passeport Américain pour entrer aux US à l'aller... et le Français pour le retour. S'ils sont trop court en temps, voyager avec une carte d'identité Française pour le retour.
Tes enfants pourront rentrer en France car ils seront considérés comme des touristes américains (90 jours, pas encore d'ETIAS en vigueur, pas encore de système entrée/sortie UE).
J'ignore quels âges ont tes enfant mais il serait quand même important et plus simple pour le futur (démarches administratives, contrôles de police, etc.) de leur faire des papiers d'identité français non ?
J'ignore quels âges ont tes enfant mais il serait quand même important et plus simple pour le futur (démarches administratives, contrôles de police, etc.) de leur faire des papiers d'identité français non ?
Tes enfants pourront rentrer en France car ils seront considérés comme des touristes américains (90 jours, pas encore d'ETIAS en vigueur, pas encore de système entrée/sortie UE).
J'ignore quels âges ont tes enfant mais il serait quand même important et plus simple pour le futur (démarches administratives, contrôles de police, etc.) de leur faire des papiers d'identité français non ?
J'y ai pensé mais techniquement, ils vont rester plus de 90 jours. Donc ce n'est pas idéal, même si le pourcentage de chance qu'on les interroge est minime.
J'ignore quels âges ont tes enfant mais il serait quand même important et plus simple pour le futur (démarches administratives, contrôles de police, etc.) de leur faire des papiers d'identité français non ?
J'y ai pensé mais techniquement, ils vont rester plus de 90 jours. Donc ce n'est pas idéal, même si le pourcentage de chance qu'on les interroge est minime.
Il y aura effectivement le "souci" du billet retour.
La probabilité qu'un fonctionnaire de l'immigration s'attarde sur le cas de jeunes Américains est très faible, surtout si c'est à CDG (je ne sais pas pour Orly ou Nice).
S'ils ont une CNI française aucun souci pour passer le contrôle PAF.
On manque d'informations sur le message initial. "Mes enfants vont partir aux EU" ok mais c'est quand ? Si c'est pour dans les jours qui viennent alors c'est de toute manière trop tard pour faire un passeport ou une CNI.
On ignore aussi quels âges ont les enfants. Si ce sont de jeunes ados ils pourront surement se débrouiller. Si ce sont des minots en UM c'est plus compliqué.
Je pense à une chose. Si les enfants voyagent seuls en UM de 5 à 14 ans sur AF par exemple. Comment va se passer l'acceptation au niveau de la compagnie puis du passage à l'immigration ?
Bien penser à rester joignable le jour du retour surtout si @Corinne3783 est dans l'aéroport à attendre. Penser également à prendre le livret de famille au cas où.
S'ils ont une CNI française aucun souci pour passer le contrôle PAF.
On manque d'informations sur le message initial. "Mes enfants vont partir aux EU" ok mais c'est quand ? Si c'est pour dans les jours qui viennent alors c'est de toute manière trop tard pour faire un passeport ou une CNI.
On ignore aussi quels âges ont les enfants. Si ce sont de jeunes ados ils pourront surement se débrouiller. Si ce sont des minots en UM c'est plus compliqué.
Je pense à une chose. Si les enfants voyagent seuls en UM de 5 à 14 ans sur AF par exemple. Comment va se passer l'acceptation au niveau de la compagnie puis du passage à l'immigration ?
Bien penser à rester joignable le jour du retour surtout si @Corinne3783 est dans l'aéroport à attendre. Penser également à prendre le livret de famille au cas où.
Le voyage est la semaine prochaine, Air France m'avait dit que les passeports US etaient OK. Ce sont des UM de 10 et 12 ans. Cela ne fait pas longtemps que nous avons demenagé en France et puisqu'il n'y avait eu aucun problème de notre entrée definitive en France, je ne me suis pas inquiétée; A tort, je m'en rends compte. Nous n'avons pas encore fait de papiers français, à tort encore une fois et je vais m'en charger tres rapidement.
Que risque t-il de se passer à l'immigration ? Qui'ils gardent mes enfants ou leur refusent l'entrée en France?
Merci de votre temps
Je sais bien, malheureusement, ils n'ont que des passeports américains pour l'instant et le voyage est dans une semaine... merci d'avoir pris le temps de me répondre
10 et 12 ans. Peuvent-ils etre considérés comme touristes américains ? Les autorités ne vont elles pas voir que c'est un retour plutot qu'un aller?
Merci!
Je sais bien, malheureusement, ils n'ont que des passeports américains pour l'instant et le voyage est dans une semaine... merci d'avoir pris le temps de me répondre
Bonjour,
En 1 semaine, vous avez certainement le temps d'obtenir un passeport en procédure accéléré.
L'idéal serait demain d'aller à la préfecture pour demander un passeport d'urgence en expliquant votre situation. Il sera certainement refusé MAIS vous pourrez demander à ce que les services préfectoraux vous lance la procédure de passeport biométrique en urgence. Vous aurez ainsi un rdv le jour même auprès de votre mairie.
Au pire, s'ils ne les reçoivent pas à temps, bah tant pis ils partiront sans.
Il y a 99.99% de chance que tout se passe bien. La PAF n'est pas connue pour sa rigueur face à ce genre de situation... Ils auront un visa de 90 jours tamponné sur leur passeport Américain.
Pensez à donner à vos enfant votre numéro de téléphone afin que vous puissiez être appelé en cas de soucis.
Bonjour,
En 1 semaine, vous avez certainement le temps d'obtenir un passeport en procédure accéléré.
L'idéal serait demain d'aller à la préfecture pour demander un passeport d'urgence en expliquant votre situation. Il sera certainement refusé MAIS vous pourrez demander à ce que les services préfectoraux vous lance la procédure de passeport biométrique en urgence. Vous aurez ainsi un rdv le jour même auprès de votre mairie.
Au pire, s'ils ne les reçoivent pas à temps, bah tant pis ils partiront sans.
Il y a 99.99% de chance que tout se passe bien. La PAF n'est pas connue pour sa rigueur face à ce genre de situation... Ils auront un visa de 90 jours tamponné sur leur passeport Américain.
Pensez à donner à vos enfant votre numéro de téléphone afin que vous puissiez être appelé en cas de soucis.
De toute manière les enfants ne seront pas laissés seuls pour passer la PAF en UM non ?
Il y aura forcément quelqu'un d'AF pour les accompagner puisque les représentants légaux ne peuvent pas être présents en zone internationale je présume.
@Corinne3783 les gens de la PAF parlent l'anglais mais tes enfants parlent il le français correctement ? Cela ne prouve évidemment pas qu'ils sont Français mais ça peut aider.
Perso je ne pense pas qu'il y aura de souci. J'oubliais un truc, donne à tes enfants une copie du livret de famille au cas où.
Il y aura forcément quelqu'un d'AF pour les accompagner puisque les représentants légaux ne peuvent pas être présents en zone internationale je présume.
@Corinne3783 les gens de la PAF parlent l'anglais mais tes enfants parlent il le français correctement ? Cela ne prouve évidemment pas qu'ils sont Français mais ça peut aider.
Perso je ne pense pas qu'il y aura de souci. J'oubliais un truc, donne à tes enfants une copie du livret de famille au cas où.
Bonjour,
10 et 12 ans. Peuvent-ils etre considérés comme touristes américains ? Les autorités ne vont elles pas voir que c'est un retour plutot qu'un aller? Merci!
Officiellement vos enfants rejoignent leurs parent et voyagent avec leur passeport américain. Et au besoin, on appellera les parents ; mais ça n'arrivera pas.
Michel
10 et 12 ans. Peuvent-ils etre considérés comme touristes américains ? Les autorités ne vont elles pas voir que c'est un retour plutot qu'un aller? Merci!
Officiellement vos enfants rejoignent leurs parent et voyagent avec leur passeport américain. Et au besoin, on appellera les parents ; mais ça n'arrivera pas.
Michel
Le cas du jeune homme de 17 ans évoqué sur ce fil est un peu différent mais cela s'était bien passé au final.
Je réitère, la nationalité américaine n'est pas la plus suspecte pour une arrivée en France. Il est peu probable que les gens de la PAF se préoccupent de voir le billet retour vers les États Unis / ou de sortie de l'UE.
Je réitère, la nationalité américaine n'est pas la plus suspecte pour une arrivée en France. Il est peu probable que les gens de la PAF se préoccupent de voir le billet retour vers les États Unis / ou de sortie de l'UE.
Oui, ils seront accompagnés pendant tout le voyage avec quelqu’un d’AF. Ils ne peuvent pas être retenus ou renvoyés aux USA? et s’ils leur donnent un visa de 90 jours, cela ne posera pas de problème pour un futur voyage?
Oui, ils seront accompagnés pendant tout le voyage avec quelqu’un d’AF. Ils ne peuvent pas être retenus ou renvoyés aux USA? et s’ils leur donnent un visa de 90 jours, cela ne posera pas de problème pour un futur voyage?
- Avant de renvoyer des jeunes Français mineurs ils vont y réfléchir à deux fois 🙂. Ils n'ont pas le droit, tout simplement, de déporter un citoyen français.
Refuser l'entrée de mineurs de moins de 13 ans, qui disposent d'un titre de voyage valide, et de surcroît assurent être français, c'est un coup à finir à la circulation dans la Creuse. 😉
Ils parlent français vos enfants ?
Michel
- Avant de renvoyer des jeunes Français mineurs ils vont y réfléchir à deux fois 🙂. Ils n'ont pas le droit, tout simplement, de déporter un citoyen français.
Refuser l'entrée de mineurs de moins de 13 ans, qui disposent d'un titre de voyage valide, et de surcroît assurent être français, c'est un coup à finir à la circulation dans la Creuse. 😉
Ils parlent français vos enfants ?
Michel
Non car ce sont des citoyens Français.
En outre des mineurs et encore pire, des mineurs de 13 ans.
A ce titre ils sont ultra protégés par la législation.
Et en France on ne lance pas une procédure juste comme cela, encore moins à l'encontre d'Américains.
Tu seras dans l'aéroport en théorie non ? AF t’appellera immédiatement s'il y a le moindre problème.
Pour info il n'y a pas de visa de 90 jours car les Américains sont dispensés de visas pour le tourisme. Lorsqu'un Américain arrive en France / UE la PAF met un tampon à date sur son passeport. Lorsqu'il repart il en a un nouveau, en théorie car parfois la PAF oublie.
Ensuite il y a l'histoire des 90 jours sur 180 mais de toute manière tu vas leur faire des passeports et des cartes d'identité dès que possible maintenant que tu as compris que c'est utile !
Et l'ETIAS (l'équivalent européen de l'ESTA pour les États Unis) n'est pas encore en place.
Et en France on ne lance pas une procédure juste comme cela, encore moins à l'encontre d'Américains.
Tu seras dans l'aéroport en théorie non ? AF t’appellera immédiatement s'il y a le moindre problème.
Pour info il n'y a pas de visa de 90 jours car les Américains sont dispensés de visas pour le tourisme. Lorsqu'un Américain arrive en France / UE la PAF met un tampon à date sur son passeport. Lorsqu'il repart il en a un nouveau, en théorie car parfois la PAF oublie.
Ensuite il y a l'histoire des 90 jours sur 180 mais de toute manière tu vas leur faire des passeports et des cartes d'identité dès que possible maintenant que tu as compris que c'est utile !
Et l'ETIAS (l'équivalent européen de l'ESTA pour les États Unis) n'est pas encore en place.
Oui, ils parlent français !
Oui, je serai à l’aéroport. Mes parents devaient les récupérer mais vu les circonstances, j’irai moi même.
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Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Hi
Has anyone been to Rwanda recently and gotten a 3-month visa on arrival easily?
Thanks
Hi there,
My departure is slowly approaching, and now that I’ve got my Russian visa sorted, I’m fine-tuning the rest of my trip to Tajikistan. Since the Tajik visa is no longer required for stays under 30 days (for French nationals), I’ll need to visit the Ministry of Interior (OVIR) to register within 10 days of entering the country. No big deal, though, since I had to go there anyway to apply for my GBAO permit. 😉 However, I’ve *seen* several reports from travelers (mostly motorized) mentioning that you need an entry permit for Kyrgyzstan, which has to be arranged in advance at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) in Dushanbe. Otherwise, you’re *stuck* at the Kyzyl-Art border (with no Wi-Fi, of course, to try and sort it out). The most recent report was from a year ago, so I’d love to know if this is still the case and if it’s indeed at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) where you need to go for this pre-authorization.
Does anyone have any recent info on this?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone.
I’m leaving for almost 3 months in the Philippines (11 weeks total) starting in early May.
I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel