bonjour à tous.
Nous partons cet été à 5 (2 adultes et 3 enfants de 10 à 13 ans) et nous emmenons ce qu'il faut pour camper.
Nous allons faire un circuit de 3 bonnes semaines.
A votre avis vaut-il mieux louer un minivan ou un 4X4?
C'est le même prix.
Lequel consomme le moins (ou le plus...)?
Lequel offre le plus grand coffre?
Lequel est le plus agréable à conduire.
Nous ne prévoyons pas d'aller sur des pistes pour 4X4 mais... l'occasion pourrait faire le larron!
Merci de me donner votre avis.
Marie
Bonjour Marie,
Moi je voterais pour un Minivan, en particulier un Dodge Grand Caravan dont dispose Alamo. Tous sont en général en version 7 places, 2 devant, 2 au milieu et 3 derrière, ceux ci escamotables dans le plancher en 2/3-1/3. Climatisation arrière indépendante et très efficace ! (à mon avis plus que sur un 4x4). Celui que j'ai utilisé un en juillet dernier, un 6 cylindres essence, comme toutes les marques, nous a bu 10-12L/100 km et je crois qu'un 4x4 est plus goulu, surtout si c'est -comme souvent- un 8 cylindres.
Car pour avoir bien de la place sur un 4x4 il faut le prendre gros : genre Ford Explorer ou Expedition ou bien GM Yukon, et alors là ça boit ...et je serais surpris que ça ne coute pas plus qu'un minivan ?
Pour l'agrément de conduite, j'ai pas vu de différence entre le minivan et une grosse berline : aucun n'a l'ABS ou un anti patinage quelconque...attention sur route mouillée ! C'est doublement utile de ne pas trop violer les limitations de vitesse !
Pour le hors piste : TOUS les loueurs interdisent le hors-goudron...y compris avec un 4x4 ! C'est stupide, je sais, tout le monde fait Monument Valley avec une berline, c'est très simple à faire, mais bon, faut pas le dire à Mr. Alamo ...la poussière rouge collée à l'arrière va bien lui indiquer !!
Si vous ne réussissez jamais rien du premier coup, n'essayez pas le parachutisme !
En juillet 2005 nous avons fait un circuit dans l'ouest américain. Nous sommes 5 également, 2 adultes et trois "enfants" de 13-15-17 ans. Nous avions loué un 4x4, un Ford Explorer et honnêtement, nous étions à l'aise pour tout : les bagages, les enfants à l'arrière. Nous n'avons pas fait de camping mais nous avions quand même deux très grosses valises, trois sacs remplis de linge ou de chaussures, + un frigo box que nous avons acheté sur place et encore les sacs des enfants. 🤪 Nous avions hésité aussi mais les mini vans aux states prévoient deux places au milieu et trois à l'arrière, ce qui laisse peu de place pour les bagages...enfin, c'est ce qu'on nous a présenté en tout cas, ce n'est peut-être pas le cas pour toutes les agences de location.😉
Par contre, il est bien possible que le ford explorer consomme plus qu'un minivan..
Bon amusement aux states, .....😎
"Le voyage apprend la tolérance." (Benjamin Disraeli)
Merci Jadorry pour ta réponse.
Ben si, il semble que 4X4 et minivan soient dans la même catégorie de prix; Quant à te dire de quel type de 4X4 ou d'ailleurs de minivan il s'agit, j'en suis bien incapable. Les loueurs parlent de voiture de telle ou telle catégorie mais sans pouvoir me semble-t-il garantir un modèle en particulier.
Marie
Certes, mais regarde sur www.alamo.com, onglet "cars" pour USA, ils ont 5 types de 4x4, dont le Trailblazer est le "cheval de base" et le Cadillac le top of the game !
A la fin il y a un minivan le Sienna Toyota qui-je le connais- est vraiment super logeable.
A toi le choix !!
Si vous ne réussissez jamais rien du premier coup, n'essayez pas le parachutisme !
Salut Lynette.
J'ai regardé sur internet la disposition des sièges. C'est vrai que pour le Ford Explorer c'est d'AV en AR 232 alors que pour le Dodge minivan c'est 223 ce qui est moindre pratique à 5. Dans les 2 cas, il est nécessaire de rabattre une partie des sièges pour avoir assez de place.
MAIS la cylindrée n'est pas la même: 2, 4l pour le van et 4 voire 4, 6l pour le 4X4. Je ne sais pas si ça veut dire que la consommation est double??? Avez-vous eu l'impression de consommer énormément?
Marie
Salut jadorry, je suis allée sur le site d'Alamo. C'est vrai que le Chevrolet Trailblazer parait bien comme volume.
Au fait, j'ai du me faire passer pour une américaine pour qu'ils me donnent un tarif. Si tu tapes france métropolitaine, ils te disent qu'ils n'ont pas ou plus de véhicules???? Craindraient-ils des annulations de dernière minute faute de visa??
Les prix du minivan et du Trailblazer sont bien les mêmes.
Marie
Si mes calculs sont bons (je viens de rechercher dans mes notes) nous avons consommé plus ou moins 11-12 litres au 100, voire 13 litres mais pas plus. Disons que nous avons trouvé que la position des sièges était très pratique : la banquette arrière se baisse très facilement offrant un coffre énoooooooorme...... 🙂 et quand on voyage à 5 c'est bien pratique 😉.
"Le voyage apprend la tolérance." (Benjamin Disraeli)
Re !
Attention : pour avoir un tarif chez Alamo...vaut mieux passer par un courtier du genre www.holidayautos ou www.autoescape.com car eux pratiquent le "tout inclus" et en définitive ça revient moins cher. Attention aussi : les résidents US ont une clause de leur assurance auto qui couvrent les exemptions de franchises sur voiture de loc....et nous on n'a pas ça !! donc les devis directs des loueurs n'incluent jamais ces suppléments indispensables d'assurances !
Il est possible aussi qu'à la date choisie, à cet endroit, ils soient short en autos, mais en juillet dernier, Alamo.com me disait ça et autoescape m'a confirmé l'auto sans pblm ! Grossiste oblige !!
Si vous ne réussissez jamais rien du premier coup, n'essayez pas le parachutisme !
Rebonjour Lynette.
Dans ton post précdent tu parles d'une frigobox; C'était une glacière dans laquelle vous mettiez de la glace ou vraiment un frigo. Comment était-il alimenté? Prise dans le coffre u allume-cigare?Ca marche bien? C'est cher?
Marie
Salut Marie,
Quand je parle d'un frigobox, il s'agit bien d'une glacière. Nous avions acheté des récipients (genre gourdes) que nous remplissions de glaçons (que l'on trouve dans chaque hôtel ou que tu peux acheter dans n'importe quelle grande surface). De cette manière, notre nourriture restait plus ou moins au frais (avec la chaleur, valait quand même mieux éviter d'acheter de trop grandes quantités de charcuterie ou autres aliments frais). Nous achetions pratiquement au jour le jour. Nous avons trouvé notre glacière et nos gourdes dans une grande surface au prix de plus ou moins 30 dollars, pas trop cher finalement pour ce système D.
Si je peux encore t'aider pour l'un ou l'autre détail pratique n'hésite pas.....🙂
"Le voyage apprend la tolérance." (Benjamin Disraeli)
Resalut Lynette.
Merci pour tes infos; te rapelles-tu par quelle agence vous étiez passés pour louer la voiture. J'ai pour l'instant des devis d'autoescape et holidaysauto.
Marie
Nous avions loué notre voiture via une agence de voyages chez nous en Belgique (qui était passée par Hertz). C'était la solution la moins onéreuse : nous avons payé 988, 47 euros pour trois semaines (gps compris). En fait, nous avions choisi le Ford Explorer car le chevrolet Blazer nous paraissait un peu juste mais nos enfants avaient 17-15 et 13 ans donc pratiquement de taille adulte.....
Bonne préparation.
"Le voyage apprend la tolérance." (Benjamin Disraeli)
Merci Lynette pour tes infos super précises!
Ca me parait être un bon prix par rapport à ca que je vois pour l'instant. Je vais poursuivre mes recherches.
Marie
c'est avec plaisir que je te donne toutes ces informations. Je replonge dans ma documentation et ça me faire revivre un peu notre voyage dont je garde un magnifique souvenir.
Au fait, je m'appelle Anne mais ce prénom était fort prisé sur le forum.🤪
A bientôt, peut-être.
Anne
"Le voyage apprend la tolérance." (Benjamin Disraeli)
Tout dans la vie est une affaire de choix. Ça commence par la tétine ou le téton, ça se termine par le chêne ou le sapin. *Everything in life is a matter of choice. It starts with "pacifier or nipple", it ends with "oak or pine". Pierre Desproges.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Russia and Mongolia, starting from France.
Crossing the border at Poland/Belarus or Georgia/Russia—other borders seem either closed or complicated.
Tourist visas for 3 months with multiple entries.
Do you have any info on Russian companies that cover a 4x4 vehicle for 3 months, and what prices in rubles or euros you’ve paid?
Which bank did you use for expenses? (EuroMastercard and Visa cards no longer work.)
Regarding Russian SIM cards, a new system called "Gosuslugi" has been introduced. How long did it take you to get one, and what steps did you follow?
Hi,
we’re planning to visit a park again.
Could you point us toward the camps in Gonarezhou Park?
>We’re traveling completely self-sufficiently.
We love wildlife.
Thanks for any tips you can share!
JP
Hi there, we’ll be in Mozambique in early December 2026 and we’d like to travel from Vilanculos to Beira by car or bus to reach Beira airport. After that, we’re planning to visit Gorongosa National Park before flying back to France from Beira. From what we’ve heard, the road to Beira is tricky, especially at this time of year (start of the rainy season). Could anyone share their thoughts or suggest a solution? Thanks so much for your help!
Anne
Hi there,
I’m heading to Lesotho in a few days and I’m struggling to find info on the best route between Katse Dam and Sehlathebe National Park. There’s a fairly "direct" route from Thaba Tseka, but the roads seem rough, and we’re not exactly 4x4 pros. Anyone have any tips to share? Thanks!
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Mozambique in October and are looking for either a 4x4 or 4x2 rental in Maputo, or a driver transfer option to reach:
- Ponta Do Ouro
- Tofo
- Vilankulos
The idea is to be self-sufficient for sightseeing and stops while still being able to access certain lodges or beaches that require a 4x2.
Do you have any contacts, addresses, or ideas to share?
Thanks in advance,
Hello,
We're hitting the road again in 2027 to discover new countries and cultures.
Could anyone give me some tips on driving from Ulaanbaatar to Lake Baikal and the route to take?
Thanks, and safe travels to those who are setting off!
We’re planning a 4x4 trip from Belgium to Central Asia, passing through Georgia, Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan.
For these countries, our national insurance obviously doesn’t cover the vehicle, so we’ll need to get local insurance.
Will it be a problem if the vehicle is registered under person A and the national insurance is under person B? Both A and B will be in the vehicle, and both will be listed as drivers on the insurance.
When we get the local insurance, if we again list A and B as drivers, does the order matter? Could we get stuck at the border for this reason?
Hi,
For those who’ve driven on Iceland’s gravel roads in their own or a rented Duster, could you tell me what tires were fitted on the vehicle?
Were they All Terrain tires or more "standard" ones like all-season tires, for example?
Follow-up question: if they were "standard" tires, did that cause any issues on the gravel roads and rough terrain?
Thanks so much for any info you can share.
Best,
Marc
Hi there,
I'm planning a 4x4 road trip from Darwin to Broome with a rooftop tent in July 2026.
I'd like to know if I need to book overnight stops in advance or if I can just wing it and stop wherever I feel like it?
Some evenings, we'd like to stop and make use of campsite facilities (restaurant, shop, showers, toilets).
What do you recommend?
Do I need a permit?
My rough itinerary looks like this:
Darwin - Kakadu
Kakadu - Nitmiluk
Nitmiluk - Kununurra
Kununurra - Purnululu
Purnululu - El Questro
El Questro - Mt Elizabeth - Bell Gorge - Broome
I’m planning a trip to Iceland for next July-August, with a car and tent, and I’m wondering about booking campsites.
From your experience, is it necessary or even essential to book campsites in advance, or do you always manage to find a spot to pitch your tent?
We’ll also have the option to sleep in the car without pitching the tent.
Does that give us the flexibility to stay outside a campsite for a night here and there?
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip in the Middle Atlas, starting and ending in Fez and heading down to the south of Midelt, the Assoul Massif.... We’ll be traveling with two small 4x4s.
I’m looking for detailed maps of this region that include small roads and tracks.
Last year, we had a fantastic road trip in the Anti-Atlas and High Atlas using Erfahren maps, but unfortunately, they don’t cover the area we’re interested in this year.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Dominique
We’re planning a 13-day family road trip in Morocco this July, with six people in a Toyota Prado 4x4 (renting in Marrakech).
We’ll alternate between bivouacking and small hotels/riads depending on the stops.
Here’s the planned route (in this order):
Marrakech
→ Ouarzazate
→ Draa Valley
→ Zagora
→ Erg Chegaga
→ Lake Iriki
→ Foum Zguid
→ Tata
→ Tafraoute
→ Aït Mansour
→ Tiznit
→ Mirleft
→ Taroudant
→ Back to Marrakech
Our goal:
Atlas Mountains + desert + dunes + plateaus + valleys + a bit of coastline.
We’ll cover about 1,700 km in total.
We’re planning:
Bivouacking in the Chegaga/Iriki area
Flexible for the rest (booking the day before or same day)
Sand gear: traction plates, compressor, tow strap, roof rack
Questions:
Is the Zagora → Chegaga → Iriki → Foum Zguid crossing in July doable on our own (single vehicle, no guide)?
Are there any truly technical or risky sections between Chegaga and Iriki?
Does the overall itinerary seem manageable in 13 days without rushing?
Any suggestions for great bivouac spots or particularly interesting stops along this route?
The points on the route are provisional overnight stops. Some spots will include two nights in the same area.
We’re used to off-road driving, but not yet in the Moroccan desert.
Thanks in advance for your feedback and tips! 😊
Good evening
I could use some advice 🙂
Our trip to Namibia is planned for June/July 2026.
We’re struggling a bit with timing and choosing activities for the part of the trip between Sesriem and Brandberg.
Day 1: Sesriem to Mirabib
Day 2: Mirabib to Swakopmund – visit Swakopmund, overnight in Swakopmund
Day 3: Sandwich Harbour – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 4: Kayaking with the seals + the living dunes – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 5: Moon Landscape, Henties Bay + Cape Cross – overnight at White Lady Lodge in Brandberg
Does this itinerary seem realistic to you? Is Cape Cross really worth the trip? If I had to choose between Cape Cross and kayaking with the seals, which would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Hélix
My son and I are heading to Georgia this summer to explore the High Caucasus (Svaneti, Kazbek, and Tusheti regions). For this, we’re planning to rent a 4x4.
However, the rental agencies we’ve found prohibit driving on the tracks to Omalo (Tusheti) and/or Ushguli (Svaneti).
Do you know of any agencies in Tbilisi (local and reliable) that allow rented 4x4s to drive on these tracks? If so, which ones?
Hi everyone,
I’m starting to plan an itinerary for September 2027 focused on Zimbabwe and Zambia. I’d love to visit Gonarezhou National Park—I see there are two sectors: the Mwenezi Region in the south and the area around the Runde River in the north. Should I cover both sectors or just focus on the northern region?
For the parks along the Zambezi River, is it better to visit Mana Pools on the Zimbabwe side or Lower Zambezi on the Zambia side?
Thanks in advance for any tips on the parks in these two countries.
Have a great day, everyone.
We’re spending 18 days in New Zealand from 05/04 to 05/21, arriving in QUEENSTOWN and leaving from AUCKLAND.
Any ideas for a road trip that covers the highlights of both islands but only changes hotels every 3–4 nights?
Thanks.
For our trip to Georgia in July, I’d like to rent a 4x4 starting from Tbilisi.
Do you have any rental companies to recommend?
The traditional rentals like Hertz, Avis, etc. seem way overpriced compared to local companies—what do you think? Are they properly insured?
Has anyone here tried Geo Rent Car, Auto 4 Rental, or Sur Price?
Also, I’m looking for info on the condition of the Ushguli–Lentekhi track—is it passable?
Hi everyone,
A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;)
So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals?
Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries?
I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode?
If that happens, what should I do?
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla).
Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place?
Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport?
Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?...
How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT?
Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia.
When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day?
We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey.
Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice!
Best,
Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th?
Was the journey doable and safe?
Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊
Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them.
Thanks again!