Etre touriste soi-même et fuir les touristes
by Carthago47
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour, on lit souvent :
que certains voyageurs, veulent aller à un endroit, mais en évitant les touristes, ils veulent un endroit "touristique sans touristes" on lit aussi qu'ils ne veulent pas se mélanger avec le flot de touristes moutons disent-ils.
qu'en pensez vous ?
😉
ce que j en pense :
que tu est très très habile à trouver des sujets qui déclenchent la polémique !
bon Noel Gégé 😛
ce que j en pense :
que tu est très très habile à trouver des sujets qui déclenchent la polémique !
bon Noel Gégé 😛
chris06
bonjour, on lit souvent :
que certains voyageurs, veulent aller à un endroit, mais en évitant les touristes, ils veulent un endroit "touristique sans touristes" on lit aussi qu'ils ne veulent pas se mélanger avec le flot de touristes moutons disent-ils.
qu'en pensez vous ?
Salut Gégé😉
Ce sujet va promettre, c'est sûr!!!!!!!!😏
Je pense qu'une grande partie des voyageurs avec un certain égoisme aimeraient pouvoir visiter un pays sans rencontrer d'autres touristes ou alors juste ceux qu'ils aimeraient voir..............c'est disons compéhensif, sans rentrer dans l'exagération des propos.😕
Après de dire que certains touristes sont des moutons cela me parait aberrant dans la mesure ou certaines personnes voyagent en groupe et bien systématiquement ils sont en troupeau et donc on peut employer le terme de " troupeau de moutons " puissent qu'ils ne font que de suivre un guide toute la journée.😏
Personnellement lorsque je fais un voyage, il est vrai que je réagis aussi de cette façon d'espérer de rencontrer........peu de mes compatriotes ou autres que des locaux et c'est aussi pour cela que je choisis maintenant Mada car il y a peu de touristes dans ce pays et dans un sens ( égoisme ) cela me convient très bien.
Mais je comprends aussi ton point de vue...............😉
Amicalement😎
Salut Gégé😉
Ce sujet va promettre, c'est sûr!!!!!!!!😏
Je pense qu'une grande partie des voyageurs avec un certain égoisme aimeraient pouvoir visiter un pays sans rencontrer d'autres touristes ou alors juste ceux qu'ils aimeraient voir..............c'est disons compéhensif, sans rentrer dans l'exagération des propos.😕
Après de dire que certains touristes sont des moutons cela me parait aberrant dans la mesure ou certaines personnes voyagent en groupe et bien systématiquement ils sont en troupeau et donc on peut employer le terme de " troupeau de moutons " puissent qu'ils ne font que de suivre un guide toute la journée.😏
Personnellement lorsque je fais un voyage, il est vrai que je réagis aussi de cette façon d'espérer de rencontrer........peu de mes compatriotes ou autres que des locaux et c'est aussi pour cela que je choisis maintenant Mada car il y a peu de touristes dans ce pays et dans un sens ( égoisme ) cela me convient très bien.
Mais je comprends aussi ton point de vue...............😉
Amicalement😎
Tant que la couleur de la peau sera plus importante que la couleur des yeux, nous ne connaitrons pas la paix.
néanmoins, il reste que ce sujet est réel, et sans idée de polémique autrement que dans l'esprit de bien-pensants se sentant concernés..
j'ai toujours souris quand je lis que ces touristes fuient les autres touristes. c'est tout.
de la a dire que je trouve "des sujets" je crois que c'est le premier que j'ouvre.....
nous avons tt de même une chose en commun c'est le grade....😉
heureusement tout de même que tu es là, s'il y a le feu, tu pourras l'éteindre...🙂
nous avons tt de même une chose en commun c'est le grade....😉
heureusement tout de même que tu es là, s'il y a le feu, tu pourras l'éteindre...🙂
salut Jm Oui, mais c'est ce qu'on lit souvent et Touriste or not touriste ? that is......
autrement les billets sont prêts......
salut Jm Oui, mais c'est ce qu'on lit souvent et Touriste or not touriste ? that is......
autrement les billets sont prêts......
Re😉
Vous devez commencer à " cogiter " grave.............!😏
L'attente devient moins longue lorsque l'on a une date.😉
Bonne soirée😎
Re😉
Vous devez commencer à " cogiter " grave.............!😏
L'attente devient moins longue lorsque l'on a une date.😉
Bonne soirée😎
Tant que la couleur de la peau sera plus importante que la couleur des yeux, nous ne connaitrons pas la paix.
Salut Gégé😉,
C'est un peu un phénomène de mode le "je veux fuir les touristes"; Les sites célèbres sont touristiques et remplis de touristes par essence, Aller au Cambodge par exemple sans voir les temples d' Angkor c'est fuir les touristes et rater une merveille par la même occasion🤪 Aller à Prague sans visiter les quartiers historiques c'est rater Prague..et ceci pour de très nombreux pays. On peut très bien visiter les incontournables d'un pays et aussi sortir des sentiers battus lors d'un même voyage.
C'est un peu un phénomène de mode le "je veux fuir les touristes"; Les sites célèbres sont touristiques et remplis de touristes par essence, Aller au Cambodge par exemple sans voir les temples d' Angkor c'est fuir les touristes et rater une merveille par la même occasion🤪 Aller à Prague sans visiter les quartiers historiques c'est rater Prague..et ceci pour de très nombreux pays. On peut très bien visiter les incontournables d'un pays et aussi sortir des sentiers battus lors d'un même voyage.
Lorsque tu ne sais pas où tu vas, regarde d'où tu viens (proverbe Africain)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Chacun cherche en effet à se présenter comme le "touriste authentique", celui qui recule les dernières frontières, qui va où personne n'est jamais allé.
Combien de fois ai-je entendu, à propos de MADAGASCAR, "je suis passé dans des villages de brousse où ils n'avaient encore jamais vu de voitures, où il n'avaient plus vu de "blancs" depuis cinquante ans".
Bien sûr, Marcel !!!!! Et ils pensaient sans doute que MADAGASCAR était encore une colonie française.
Je suis d'accord avec vous. Il y a, dans chaque pays, des incontournables par lequels il faut impérativement passer.
Sans pour autant devoir se faire qualifier de "beauf".
Combien de fois ai-je entendu, à propos de MADAGASCAR, "je suis passé dans des villages de brousse où ils n'avaient encore jamais vu de voitures, où il n'avaient plus vu de "blancs" depuis cinquante ans".
Bien sûr, Marcel !!!!! Et ils pensaient sans doute que MADAGASCAR était encore une colonie française.
Je suis d'accord avec vous. Il y a, dans chaque pays, des incontournables par lequels il faut impérativement passer.
Sans pour autant devoir se faire qualifier de "beauf".
Bonjoir,
ce sujet a, malgré tout été plusieurs fois abordé sur ce forum :
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=1498692;search_string=fuir%20touriste;
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?do=post_view_flat;post=2247083;page=1;search_string=fuir%20touriste;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=24;
😎
ce sujet a, malgré tout été plusieurs fois abordé sur ce forum :
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=1498692;search_string=fuir%20touriste;
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?do=post_view_flat;post=2247083;page=1;search_string=fuir%20touriste;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=24;
😎
Mylou
Et alors?🤪
Pourquoi ne pas l'aborder à nouveau ou sous un autre angle?
Tu n'es pas nouveau ici; tu sais très bien que relancer de vieux posts n'est pas toujours sans grand intérêt; surtout dans la rubrique opinions
Lorsque tu ne sais pas où tu vas, regarde d'où tu viens (proverbe Africain)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
et puis ?
Tu n'es pas nouveau ici; tu sais très bien que relancer de vieux posts n'est pas toujours sans grand intérêt; surtout dans la rubrique opinions
tout à fait d'accord! Je viens même d'essayer de ré-ouvrir un post de 2005 dans les carnets de voyages...
Mais quand le dernier post "se termine" il y a même pas 3 mois, perso cela m'étonne.
Désolé carthago47, je donnais juste mon avis, sans rancune😉
tout à fait d'accord! Je viens même d'essayer de ré-ouvrir un post de 2005 dans les carnets de voyages...
Mais quand le dernier post "se termine" il y a même pas 3 mois, perso cela m'étonne.
Désolé carthago47, je donnais juste mon avis, sans rancune😉
Mylou
Eternel débat. Le touriste, c'est toujours l'autre; et lorsque le "voyageur" se trouve confronté à d'autres "voyageurs", il les traite de touristes. Le touriste en groupe est le plus méprisé de tous - le pauvre. Pour l'autochtone, soyez-en sûr, nous sommes toujours un touriste, et généralement une source de dollars. Amicalement, Virginie
virginie
bjr, eh oui bien sur, je souris toujours lorsque je lis que certains veulent un endroit vide de touristes alors bien sur qu'ils le sont eux mêmes. Mais sans doute d'une caste spéciale 😄
Tu as une approche bien particuliére et semble vouloir mettre les gens dans des castes
Il y a tourisme et tourisme. Le tourisme de masse pollue et détruit . Je suis content de savoir ou cela se passe . Cela me permet d'éviter autant que possible. Je vais , le plus souvent, dans des endroits ou il n'y a pratiquement pas de touristes et ai en régle général un trés bon contact avec la population qui me traite trés souvent comme un invité. Je suis par contre trés content de partager mon regard si je rencontre un touriste dans ces zones .
Il y a tourisme et tourisme. Le tourisme de masse pollue et détruit . Je suis content de savoir ou cela se passe . Cela me permet d'éviter autant que possible. Je vais , le plus souvent, dans des endroits ou il n'y a pratiquement pas de touristes et ai en régle général un trés bon contact avec la population qui me traite trés souvent comme un invité. Je suis par contre trés content de partager mon regard si je rencontre un touriste dans ces zones .
salut, imaginons, 200 personnes comme toi, qui vont dans le même pays, et donc qui vont dans des endroits sans touristes.....est ce que ces endroits resteront sains ?
ensuite le tourisme de masse comme on dit, fait tout de même vivre les lieux concernés.
comme la masse détruit et pollue faudrait il alors l'interdire dans les pays comme la Tunisie, le maroc, la .>...France ? 🙂 je vis en partie dans un pays pauvre, et le tourisme est le bienvenu, ils en ont bien besoin.....🙂
Il y a plus de 200 personnes qui vont dans les pays ou je vais . Je n'ai jammais dit que j'allais dans des pays sans touristes.
Prenons un exemple Le Sénégal .
Tu as toute une masse qui va a Saly and co. Tu y vois quoi une population qui vit du tourisme et qui n'a plus grand choses d'authentique . Une partie des jeunes harcéle les touristes pour leur vendre des merderies et une autre se prostitue Ils attrapent les vices des touristes ( alcool, tabac etc ) et perdent leur culture.
Si tu vas avec ta voiture dans le centre du pays tu as un tout autre contact .
Je ne veux rien interdire . Que chacun aille ou il trouve son compte. Pour mon compte dans des endroits ou je vais ou il y a peu ou pas de touristes et c'est trés bien comme cela.
Je ne veux rien interdire . Que chacun aille ou il trouve son compte. Pour mon compte dans des endroits ou je vais ou il y a peu ou pas de touristes et c'est trés bien comme cela.
ben si il y a des touristes puisque tu y es......
Trés juste. Je suis bien un touriste .
Mais en tant qu"élément isolé les rapports sont trés différents.
Il existe une coutume dans les pays d'Afrique de l'ouest ou tu dois honorer l'étranger qui passe . Combien de fois je me suis-je vu vu offrir des présents au sortir de mon Toy. Ci une papaye, ci un coussin , des oeufs ... J'en ai, a vie, la mémoire qui chante . Et l'instituteur que l'on va chercher pour traduire et le lit que l'on t'offre.
A chacun son tourisme.
Moi aussi je n'aime pas Saly; mais si Saly fermait, des centaines voire des milliers de Sénégalais se retrouveraient au chomage. Et puis c'est quoi une population authentique? y a t il deux catégories de Sénégalais pour toi; les authentiques et ceux qui ne le sont pas?🤪
Le tourisme de masse a son utilité; ce qui n'empêche pas chacun de pouvoir faire d'autres types de touristes en fonction des gouts.
Je voyage toujours en indépendant mais à la différence de toi, je ne blame pas ceux qui optent pour un tourisme de masse; car au final on est tous des touristes🙂
Lorsque tu ne sais pas où tu vas, regarde d'où tu viens (proverbe Africain)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Bonsoir à tous, il n'y a pas si longtemps, voyager n'était pas à la portée de tout le monde, et avoir contemplé les Pyramides ou le Taj Mahal faisait de vous presqu'un aventurier; maintenant que les voyages lointains se sont démocratisés, il est de bon ton de "rechercher l'authenticité", là où personne ne va... Ce qui est un leurre, car ils sont bien rares les endroits de cette sorte. Voyager en indépendant donne l'illusion de la découverte et le plaisir des rencontres inédites. J'aime aussi cette impression, mais je ne suis pas naïve; les gens qui m'accueillent si gentiment font la même chose pour d'autres "routards". Quant à ce qu'on appelle le tourisme de masse... Lorsqu'on trouve près d'un monument célèbre d'innombrables boutiques de babioles inutiles, il faut se dire que ce commerce fait vivre des gens qui en ont besoin, et que s'ils en vivent, c'est qu'il y a des clients, et qui sommes-nous pour nous déclarer supérieurs ? Bonne soirée à tous
virginie
absolument, et le gros probleme est que certains ne voient que le bout de leur nez, une situation leur convient, donc c'est la meilleure....Dire aussi que le tourisme de masse pollue est comique...
Quand je parle de pollution ce n'est pas des stations d'épuration.
Ces gens avaient une culture , des valeurs , des traditions.
Quand on voit des jeunes qui ne respectent plus leur parents , qui boivent, se droguent, fument, se prostituent. Qui ne vont plus à l'école parcqu'ils gagnent plus que ceux qui travaillent tu appelles cela comment ?
Ceci dit il a de multiples forme de tourisme. Il y en a qui vont en croisiére, d'autres passer l'hiver au soleil, d'autres aux putes ... Et toute, c'est un fait, participent à l'économie locale . Ceci dit nous nous égarons et c'est de mon fait. Le sujet était "Etre touriste soi-même et fuir les touristes" Et tu semblais trouver bizarre que certains semblent avoir tendance à fuir ou tout au moins a éviter leurs compatriotes. Et je voulais dire qu'il me semblait bien appartenir à cette catégorie . Et dire pourquoi.
Ceci dit il a de multiples forme de tourisme. Il y en a qui vont en croisiére, d'autres passer l'hiver au soleil, d'autres aux putes ... Et toute, c'est un fait, participent à l'économie locale . Ceci dit nous nous égarons et c'est de mon fait. Le sujet était "Etre touriste soi-même et fuir les touristes" Et tu semblais trouver bizarre que certains semblent avoir tendance à fuir ou tout au moins a éviter leurs compatriotes. Et je voulais dire qu'il me semblait bien appartenir à cette catégorie . Et dire pourquoi.
Ces gens avaient une culture , des valeurs , des traditions.
Quand on voit des jeunes qui ne respectent plus leur parents , qui boivent, se droguent, fument, se prostituent. Qui ne vont plus à l'école parce qu'ils gagnent plus que ceux qui travaillent tu appelles cela comment ?
je ne suis pas certain que les cultures, valeurs et traditions ne soient pas bonnes à bousculer de temps en temps. On pourrait discuter un bon moment du bienfait des traditions dans beaucoup de pays, sur la vie des femmes en particulier... Quant aux comportements des "jeunes" êtes vous sûre qu'il est différent dans les endroits où il n'y a pas de tourisme de masse ? Qu'il n'y a pas de gens qui boivent, se droguent, fument, se prostituent dans les campagnes hors des circuits ? Cela me semble relever d'un angélisme dangereux, perpétuer le mythe du bon sauvage perverti par la civilisation... Le plus marrant est de séparer les populations locales entre authentiques et non authentiques.... pouvez vous me donner les clés pour les reconnaitre ?
je ne suis pas certain que les cultures, valeurs et traditions ne soient pas bonnes à bousculer de temps en temps. On pourrait discuter un bon moment du bienfait des traditions dans beaucoup de pays, sur la vie des femmes en particulier... Quant aux comportements des "jeunes" êtes vous sûre qu'il est différent dans les endroits où il n'y a pas de tourisme de masse ? Qu'il n'y a pas de gens qui boivent, se droguent, fument, se prostituent dans les campagnes hors des circuits ? Cela me semble relever d'un angélisme dangereux, perpétuer le mythe du bon sauvage perverti par la civilisation... Le plus marrant est de séparer les populations locales entre authentiques et non authentiques.... pouvez vous me donner les clés pour les reconnaitre ?
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
Bonjour, la pollution par le tourisme est un vaste sujet, qui va de la multiplication des vols aériens, des voitures, de la construction sauvage le long des plages, de la destruction de sites naturels à la perversion morale que vous citez, encouragement de la mendicité ou de la prostitution (liste non exhaustive), un sujet sérieux, mais comme vous le dites, pas dans le sujet de la discussion. Actuellement, se démarquer des foules est devenu une sorte de mode, on ne veut plus être confondu avec le touriste lambda, qui serait irresponsable par ses différentes conduites. Je rejoins le dernier intervenant, qu'est-ce que l'authenticité ? Les femmes soudanaises excisées qui refusent de se faire photographier sans voile et sans l'autorisation de leur mari ? J'ai choisi un exemple choc de "coutumes ancestrales", je sais, mais c'est un exemple que je connais. Oui, ne soyons pas angéliques. Amicalement
virginie
Je pense que penser cela est une bêtise.
Moi-même, je voyage tj sac à dos et si possible dans les endroits peu fréquentés. Mais pour autant, je ne vais pas éviter certaines zones touristiques juste pour cela. Par exemple, cela cerait domage de passer à cote d'Angkor...
Ensuite, sauf si tu voyages à la Kim Hafez, la grande majorité de ceux qui se disent voyageurs sont aussi des touristes. Dans le sens où tu vient en "spectateur" Par contre, le contraire est moins vrai. Le voyageur est souvent celui qui précede le tourisme de masse d'ailleurs.
Bien sûr, il y a des différences avec les zones où régnent le tourisme de masse.
Je trouve que la distinction entre voyageur et vacanciers est plus pertinente.
Heu vous m'avez suivi?:-)
Moi-même, je voyage tj sac à dos et si possible dans les endroits peu fréquentés. Mais pour autant, je ne vais pas éviter certaines zones touristiques juste pour cela. Par exemple, cela cerait domage de passer à cote d'Angkor...
Ensuite, sauf si tu voyages à la Kim Hafez, la grande majorité de ceux qui se disent voyageurs sont aussi des touristes. Dans le sens où tu vient en "spectateur" Par contre, le contraire est moins vrai. Le voyageur est souvent celui qui précede le tourisme de masse d'ailleurs.
Bien sûr, il y a des différences avec les zones où régnent le tourisme de masse.
Je trouve que la distinction entre voyageur et vacanciers est plus pertinente.
Heu vous m'avez suivi?:-)
Pour poursuivre hors sujet mais je vois que le mot authentique en perturbe beaucoup.
Mea culpa . Le mot authentique ne doit pas être approprié . Si tant est qu'un jeune qui a laché l'école pour draguer des femmes de cinquante ans est un authentique gigolo. Je parle biensur de la situation pré-existante ou les gens vivaient avec leur culture et leur économie locale et, la situation avec le tourisme de masse dans l'exemple de Saly.
Angélisme peut-être mais bon. Allez donc jette un coup d'oeuil sur http://www.senegalaisement.com/senegal/consconnes_senegal.php C'est certain nous apportons quelque chose .😊
Oui je suis certain que le comportement des jeunes différe dans les endroits ou il n'y a pas de tourisme de masse. Ils ne sont ni pire ni meilleurs mais tout simplement pas pervertis.
Mea culpa . Le mot authentique ne doit pas être approprié . Si tant est qu'un jeune qui a laché l'école pour draguer des femmes de cinquante ans est un authentique gigolo. Je parle biensur de la situation pré-existante ou les gens vivaient avec leur culture et leur économie locale et, la situation avec le tourisme de masse dans l'exemple de Saly.
Angélisme peut-être mais bon. Allez donc jette un coup d'oeuil sur http://www.senegalaisement.com/senegal/consconnes_senegal.php C'est certain nous apportons quelque chose .😊
Oui je suis certain que le comportement des jeunes différe dans les endroits ou il n'y a pas de tourisme de masse. Ils ne sont ni pire ni meilleurs mais tout simplement pas pervertis.
Moi j'ai plus ou moins suivi... Et j'aime bien votre distinction: voyageur ou vacancier, c'est exactement cela. Pour ma part, je n'aime pas trop la foule, mais je ne boude ni Angkor ni la Cité Interdite (pour ne citer que deux sites fréquentés) et je ne me prends pas pour une exploratrice, même dans les coins perdus. Nous parcourons le monde, nous sommes des témoins, des spectateurs, des invités parfois, mais toujours de passage, des touristes, quoi, plus ou moins respectueux. Même à la Tour Eiffel ! Amicalement
virginie
Bonjour,
Nous parcourons le monde, nous sommes des témoins, des spectateurs, des invités parfois, mais toujours de passage, des touristes, quoi, plus ou moins respectueux.
Ne pensez-vous pas être également seulement de passage en Belgique, ou en France ? Eternelle touriste, alors ? 🤪
Michel
Nous parcourons le monde, nous sommes des témoins, des spectateurs, des invités parfois, mais toujours de passage, des touristes, quoi, plus ou moins respectueux.
Ne pensez-vous pas être également seulement de passage en Belgique, ou en France ? Eternelle touriste, alors ? 🤪
Michel
Ces gens avaient une culture , des valeurs , des traditions.
Quand on voit des jeunes qui ne respectent plus leur parents , qui boivent, se droguent, fument, se prostituent. Qui ne vont plus à l'école parcqu'ils gagnent plus que ceux qui travaillent tu appelles cela comment ?
Bonsoir,
Je ne suis pas persuadé que le tourisme soit toujours synonyme des méfaits que tu cites. Par comparaison, 2 pays touristiques avec un niveau de vie comparable ne développent pas forcément les mêmes fléaux ou même des fléaux du tout! Le problème est purement culturel. Certaines cultures sont des remparts plus solides que d'autres...
Bonsoir,
Je ne suis pas persuadé que le tourisme soit toujours synonyme des méfaits que tu cites. Par comparaison, 2 pays touristiques avec un niveau de vie comparable ne développent pas forcément les mêmes fléaux ou même des fléaux du tout! Le problème est purement culturel. Certaines cultures sont des remparts plus solides que d'autres...
Oui je suis certain que le comportement des jeunes différe dans les endroits ou il n'y a pas de tourisme de masse. Ils ne sont ni pire ni meilleurs mais tout simplement pas pervertis.
De mon point de vue, vous vous faites d'énormes illusions. allez dans les bidonvilles où il n'y a aucun tourisme de masse (aucun tourisme du tout d'ailleurs) et vous vous rendrez compte que l'alcoolisme, la drogue, et les comportements asociaux y existent autant sinon plus qu'ailleurs. Oui, pour ma part, je pense que vous êtes victime d'angélisme, ce qui n'est pas très grave par ailleurs...
De mon point de vue, vous vous faites d'énormes illusions. allez dans les bidonvilles où il n'y a aucun tourisme de masse (aucun tourisme du tout d'ailleurs) et vous vous rendrez compte que l'alcoolisme, la drogue, et les comportements asociaux y existent autant sinon plus qu'ailleurs. Oui, pour ma part, je pense que vous êtes victime d'angélisme, ce qui n'est pas très grave par ailleurs...
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
Bonjour, je vois que nous ne parlons pas de la même chose; vous déplorez et fuyez les méfaits d'un certain tourisme, notamment sexuel. C'est un vaste et grave problème, qu'on ne va pas définir en quelques mots comme misère et exploitation, ou perversion de l'occident. Je ne sais quoi vous dire - surtout en peu de mots - sauf que peut-être les racines du mal ne sont pas toutes du même côté. Amicalement
virginie
Soyons sérieux. Les vices sous toutes les formes existaient avant le tourisme de masse.
Le tourisme de masse n'est pas non plus la mére de tous les vices et n'aboutit pas toujours à cela.
Dans les régions ou je vais (Maroc, Mauritanie, Sénégal , Mali , Guinée) les problèmes viennent surtout de la différence de pouvoir économique .
En Mauritanie un instituteur gagne environ 60 €. C'est une notabilité et il est respecté dans le village. Tu as trois voitures de ploucs qui débarquent . Ils distribuent des bonbons et quelques piéces. Pour eux donner l'équivalent d'un demi euros ne représente qu'un petit cadeau. C'est le quard du salaire du jour de l'instituteur. Comme si on donnait 10 € comme ça pour rien à tes gamins et que cela se répétait à chaque voiture qui passe. Si tu as 3 voitures qui s'arrêtent tous les jours tous les gamins du village sont derriére, si tu en a dix il commence à ae créer un systéme de récupération de cette mane. Devant l'argent les valeurs fondent et l'autorité des parents disparaît et la spirale infernale commence.
Au sénegal dans le Siné Salooun j'ai vu un panneau qui disait en substance : ne donnez rien à nos enfants .Si vous voulez donner quelque chose donnez nous le à nous. Voila qui en dit long
Mais tout cela je le sais ! Et de nombreux voyageurs responsables aussi. Ca n'existe pas seulement en Afrique et ça n'a rien à voir avec le sujet initial de cette discussion... (en tout cas comme moi je le comprenais) ! Amicalement
virginie
"Oui je suis certain que le comportement des jeunes différent dans les endroits ou il n'y a pas de tourisme de masse. Ils ne sont ni pire ni meilleurs mais tout simplement pas pervertis."
Bonjour,
Vous vous illusionnez à croire que le tourisme de masse est facteur de tous les maux d'un pays; les bidonvilles, la misère, la corruption existaient souvent bien avant l'arrivée de touristes "de masse" dans la plupart des pays. L'apport de touristes et d'étrangers en nombre important influe sur les comportements; c'est logique; mais ceci quel que soit le type de tourisme; si vous croyez qu'on vous regarde différemment car vous portez un sac à dos vous vous trompez. Vous omettez par contre les effets positifs de l'ouverture touristique; création d'emplois, d'activités économiques, amélioration des niveaux de vie, ouverture du pays sur l'extérieur. Bien sur aussi des effets pervers; changements de certains comportements, développement d'une criminalité due à l'apparition soudaine de richesse et de personnes en portant, possible amplification des phénomènes de corruption..mais au lieu de blamer le tourisme en tant que tel, il faut blamer les gouvernements de ces pays qui récoltent les fruits de ces richesses et ne les utilisent pas à bon escient. C'est aux gouvernements et aux peuples de ces pays de faire en sorte que la manne économique d'un tourisme de masse profite au pays (investissement dans l'éducation, santé, infrastructures, lutte contre les corruption) et d'en limiter les effets pervers comportementaux (lutte contre le tourisme sexuel par des lois énergiques et appliquées strictement). Voila c'est tout
Bonjour,
Vous vous illusionnez à croire que le tourisme de masse est facteur de tous les maux d'un pays; les bidonvilles, la misère, la corruption existaient souvent bien avant l'arrivée de touristes "de masse" dans la plupart des pays. L'apport de touristes et d'étrangers en nombre important influe sur les comportements; c'est logique; mais ceci quel que soit le type de tourisme; si vous croyez qu'on vous regarde différemment car vous portez un sac à dos vous vous trompez. Vous omettez par contre les effets positifs de l'ouverture touristique; création d'emplois, d'activités économiques, amélioration des niveaux de vie, ouverture du pays sur l'extérieur. Bien sur aussi des effets pervers; changements de certains comportements, développement d'une criminalité due à l'apparition soudaine de richesse et de personnes en portant, possible amplification des phénomènes de corruption..mais au lieu de blamer le tourisme en tant que tel, il faut blamer les gouvernements de ces pays qui récoltent les fruits de ces richesses et ne les utilisent pas à bon escient. C'est aux gouvernements et aux peuples de ces pays de faire en sorte que la manne économique d'un tourisme de masse profite au pays (investissement dans l'éducation, santé, infrastructures, lutte contre les corruption) et d'en limiter les effets pervers comportementaux (lutte contre le tourisme sexuel par des lois énergiques et appliquées strictement). Voila c'est tout
Lorsque tu ne sais pas où tu vas, regarde d'où tu viens (proverbe Africain)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Ni aujourd'hui ni jamais, la richesse ne suffit à classer un homme, mais aujourd'hui plus que jamais la pauvreté le déclasse (Charles Maurras)
Mais tout cela je le sais ! Et de nombreux voyageurs responsables aussi. Ca n'existe pas seulement en Afrique et ça n'a rien à voir avec le sujet initial de cette discussion... (en tout cas comme moi je le comprenais) ! Amicalement
Vous avez raison. Cela n'est pas le sujet. Mais quand on dit que l'on préfére les endroits ou il y a peu pour ne pas dire "pas" de tourisme on est amené a dire pourquoi. Je crois l'avoir dit donc pour moi ce sujet est clos . Je ne résiste pas cependant à vous donner un lien qui illustre ce que je disais sur les rapports que l'on peut avoir en dehors du tourisme de masse. http://nicole-raconte.over-blog.com/10-categorie-11292945.html Je précise que je ne connais pas ces gens mais ils font partie de ceux que j'aurais plaisir à rencontrer.
Vous avez raison. Cela n'est pas le sujet. Mais quand on dit que l'on préfére les endroits ou il y a peu pour ne pas dire "pas" de tourisme on est amené a dire pourquoi. Je crois l'avoir dit donc pour moi ce sujet est clos . Je ne résiste pas cependant à vous donner un lien qui illustre ce que je disais sur les rapports que l'on peut avoir en dehors du tourisme de masse. http://nicole-raconte.over-blog.com/10-categorie-11292945.html Je précise que je ne connais pas ces gens mais ils font partie de ceux que j'aurais plaisir à rencontrer.
bonjour, non, vous n'avez pas répondu sur le fond , mais sur votre pensée et vos interets, personnellement je crois qu'être "touriste" et en même temps fuir les "touristes" pour trouver un coin a "soi" est un pur égoïsme et donne une contenance a ceux qui veulent être differents des autres, alors qu'en fait ils font sourire. comme dit plus haut, ne croyez pas être regardé(e) autrement parce que vous avez un sac a dos, au contraire, il verront mieux un touriste, celui qui monopolise les sites et les visite en faisant la queue selon vous, car celui ci laisse des devises, pas des rêves
eh oui, l'argent est le nerf de la guerre même dans les pays pauvres et surtout d'ailleurs. et "ils" ont aussi le droit de penser pouvoir avoir un frigo, l'électricité, l'eau courante, le gaz (bouteille) car le gaz outre les facilités de vie, participe a diminuer la destruction des forets, et pour cela il faut des devises, pas simplement la reconnaissance de leur situation ou des bien pensants qui veulent vivre au plus pres d'eux, en partageant leur vie, (des fois surtout pour être hébergé gratos)....
je ne comprends pas pourquoi la discussion se focalise sur les pays du tiers monde alors que les 5 premieres destinations touristiques sont la france , les USA , l'espagne , la chine et l'italie , dans cet ordre il me semble, tous pays industriels avant d'être touristiques
alors etre touriste et fuir les touristes , ça concerne autant sinon plus paris que la plage à la mode du senegal
salut, certes oui, mais les voyages des touristes ne se limitent pas a ces 5 destinations qui ne sont les premières qu'individuellement, les 3/4 des sites visités sont ailleurs de ces pays dans le monde.
etre touriste et fuir les touristes est aussi idiot a paris qu'au tiers monde....😎
ajoutons les autres pays de l'ue et la suisse et on arrive à 545 millions de touristes sur 903 ( chiffres 2007) , sans compter que dans la difference on trouve très bien placés le canada , le japon et l'australie qui ne sont pas spécialement des pays du tiers monde
et alors ? quel est l'objet de votre post ?
je m'etonnais que la discussion se focalise sur les pays du tiers monde alors qu'il me semblait que ce n'était pas le sujet de départ : comment être touriste et fuir les touristes à st tropez ?
bonjour, non, vous n'avez pas répondu sur le fond , mais sur votre pensée et vos interets, personnellement je crois qu'être "touriste" et en même temps fuir les "touristes" pour trouver un coin a "soi" est un pur égoïsme et donne une contenance a ceux qui veulent être differents des autres, alors qu'en fait ils font sourire. comme dit plus haut, ne croyez pas être regardé(e) autrement parce que vous avez un sac a dos, au contraire, il verront mieux un touriste, celui qui monopolise les sites et les visite en faisant la queue selon vous, car celui ci laisse des devises, pas des rêves
eh oui, l'argent est le nerf de la guerre même dans les pays pauvres et surtout d'ailleurs. et "ils" ont aussi le droit de penser pouvoir avoir un frigo, l'électricité, l'eau courante, le gaz (bouteille) car le gaz outre les facilités de vie, participe a diminuer la destruction des forets, et pour cela il faut des devises, pas simplement la reconnaissance de leur situation ou des bien pensants qui veulent vivre au plus pres d'eux, en partageant leur vie, (des fois surtout pour être hébergé gratos)....
Ainsi il semblerait que l'on puisse être touriste et préférer les endroits ou il y a peu de touristes. Mais alors on chercherait un coin a soi par pur égoisme; on chercherait a se démarquer en faisant sourire. On aurait un sac à dos et on chercherait a vivre auprés des déshérités pour se faire héberger gratos. Vous vous égarez !
Je ne cherche pas un coin a moi mais des endroits ou je suis bien. Je ne cherche pas a être mais suis. Je ne cherche pas à être regardé mais cherche à regarder. Je n'ai pas de sac à dos . En voyage je vis dans ma voiture et dors en pleine nature alors "les hébergements gratos".
Votre sujet n'est pas comment améliorer le niveau de vie. Cependant croyez vous que des gens qui vont faire la danse des canards au club med ou milieu de gens qui n'ont pas d'electrecité; qui vont faire tourner les lupanar de Phuket ; qui vont se faire sauter à Saly ; qui vont jouer a Las Vegas améliorent autre chose que la perversité locale ?
Ainsi il semblerait que l'on puisse être touriste et préférer les endroits ou il y a peu de touristes. Mais alors on chercherait un coin a soi par pur égoisme; on chercherait a se démarquer en faisant sourire. On aurait un sac à dos et on chercherait a vivre auprés des déshérités pour se faire héberger gratos. Vous vous égarez !
Je ne cherche pas un coin a moi mais des endroits ou je suis bien. Je ne cherche pas a être mais suis. Je ne cherche pas à être regardé mais cherche à regarder. Je n'ai pas de sac à dos . En voyage je vis dans ma voiture et dors en pleine nature alors "les hébergements gratos".
Votre sujet n'est pas comment améliorer le niveau de vie. Cependant croyez vous que des gens qui vont faire la danse des canards au club med ou milieu de gens qui n'ont pas d'electrecité; qui vont faire tourner les lupanar de Phuket ; qui vont se faire sauter à Saly ; qui vont jouer a Las Vegas améliorent autre chose que la perversité locale ?
Cependant croyez vous que des gens qui vont faire la danse des canards au club med ou milieu de gens qui n'ont pas d'electrecité; qui vont faire tourner les lupanar de Phuket ; qui vont se faire sauter à Saly ; qui vont jouer a Las Vegas améliorent autre chose que la perversité locale ?
Bonsoir,
Je ne savais pas que de faire la danse des canards au Club Med poussait à la perversité locale 🤪 La prochaine fois que je m'y rendrai, je demanderai au DJ de nous passer des valses de Strauss ou le Requiem de Gabriel Fauré 😎
Pour en revenir au sujet initial, je crois qu'il existe aussi ceux qui justement recherchent les lieux très touristiques parce qu'ils ne sentent bien qu'au milieu de milliers de touristes !!! Cuba, Thaïlande, Côte d'Azure etc...
Aller, tous les GM avec moi... "Petit papa Noël, Quand tu descendras du ciel..."
Joyeuses fêtes !!!
Bonsoir,
Je ne savais pas que de faire la danse des canards au Club Med poussait à la perversité locale 🤪 La prochaine fois que je m'y rendrai, je demanderai au DJ de nous passer des valses de Strauss ou le Requiem de Gabriel Fauré 😎
Pour en revenir au sujet initial, je crois qu'il existe aussi ceux qui justement recherchent les lieux très touristiques parce qu'ils ne sentent bien qu'au milieu de milliers de touristes !!! Cuba, Thaïlande, Côte d'Azure etc...
Aller, tous les GM avec moi... "Petit papa Noël, Quand tu descendras du ciel..."
Joyeuses fêtes !!!
Cela vous a échappé . Les canards sortent de temps en temps et pas toujours pour faire coin coin. Si le Club est situé dans une zone disons fragile la spirale est en place.
Je n'ai par contre rien contre les gens qui aiment à se regrouper. A chacun son soleil . Et je leur souhaite tout le bonheur du monde.
Je n'ai par contre rien contre les gens qui aiment à se regrouper. A chacun son soleil . Et je leur souhaite tout le bonheur du monde.
qui vont faire tourner les lupanar de Phuket ; qui vont se faire sauter à Saly ; qui vont jouer a Las Vegas améliorent autre chose que la perversité locale ? vous avez l'air de bien connaitre ;.....
Les canards sortent de temps en temps et pas toujours pour faire coin coin
ceux que j'ai vu hier, ont trépassé et aujourd'hui j'ai préparé 3 kg de foie gras vanille, mis en bocaux, pour les amis voyageurs, y en a certains qui fréquentent le club med (pas les canards) et je peux vous assurer qu'ils ne font pas coin coin eux !
ceux que j'ai vu hier, ont trépassé et aujourd'hui j'ai préparé 3 kg de foie gras vanille, mis en bocaux, pour les amis voyageurs, y en a certains qui fréquentent le club med (pas les canards) et je peux vous assurer qu'ils ne font pas coin coin eux !
Si tu connais un peu le Club Med tu sais comme moi que quasiment personne ne sort de l'enceinte d'un village durant son séjour, mis à part pour quelques excursions en groupe et encore 🤪
(Par contre j'ai vu que tu t'intéressais au minéraux et ça nous fait un point commun. Mon 1er cadeau de Noël est une superbe célestite de Madagascar en forme de géode de 4,5 kilo 😉)
Bonne soirée...
(Par contre j'ai vu que tu t'intéressais au minéraux et ça nous fait un point commun. Mon 1er cadeau de Noël est une superbe célestite de Madagascar en forme de géode de 4,5 kilo 😉)
Bonne soirée...
http://www.wat.tv/audio/club-med-danse-canards-1nqee_2hsyx_.html
Alors cela vient de changer . Il est vrai que depuis que Tapie s'y est interessé ...
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Bonjour,
Je m'appelle Marion. Dans le cadre de ma reconversion professionnelle, en tant que Travel Planner, je suis à la recherche de quelques personnes (couples avec ou sans enfants) pour échanger afin de mieux comprendre vos besoins et vos envies de voyages.
Cela durera environ 30 min avec moi par téléphone ou en visio 🙂
Je n’ai rien à vous vendre!
N'hésitez pas à me contacter si vous le souhaitez, bonne journée.
Je n’ai rien à vous vendre!
N'hésitez pas à me contacter si vous le souhaitez, bonne journée.
"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone,
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
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Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

...
I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
Hi there,
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
Hi there, I’ve been traveling for 18 years now, at least 6 months a year, and as the years go by, I actually enjoy coming back to France more and more—a feeling I struggled with at first. I mean, we always think the grass is greener elsewhere.
But in the end, I find meaning in that saying about how there’s no place like home. I still love traveling just as much, but now my trips are shorter, and I enjoy spending more time in our beautiful country, even though I don’t hesitate to criticize it.
How about you? How do you handle coming back from your travels?