Traveler, great traveler, or tourist: what's the difference for you?
FR

Translated into English.

Original post
CA
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
OT Ottlnpac Globetrotter ·
"Traveler, great traveler" but also "tourist"—so what's the nuance for you?

The humility factor 😉
TH Thuan Globetrotter ·
+1
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. » Benjamin Disraeli -
CA Carls Regular ·
hi, yeah I realize being a tourist is frowned upon, so I’ll be a traveler from now on. That’s my resolution for 2011.
RE Renosu Globetrotter ·
Travel has become a way of life for me. I often feel like a tourist in my own country 😉
CE Cescableue Veteran ·
From our perspective, there’s a difference, but for the locals in the countries we visit, we’re all just tourists. 😉
Quand il n'y a pas de solution, c'est qu' il n'y a pas de problème ! Woody Allen
RE Renosu Globetrotter ·
Locals see a lot of differences between the different types of people, but honestly, they're not always interested in that.
CA Carls Regular ·
Does the "traveler" want to live with the locals, adopt their customs, eat like them, make an effort to learn words that will make "communication" easier, show respect, and blend in with the population, etc., while the tourist just wants to enjoy their stay without worrying about what's around them?
HA Hartnett Regular ·
For me, there’s a difference between the two terms:

tourist: someone who visits monuments, museums, and eats whatever... they’re not there for the connections! traveler: someone who goes off the beaten path and seeks out encounters with people and local customs...
RA Raoulx Globetrotter ·
You'd think that in 2011, this endless debate wouldn't come up again!! and bam!!!! on January 2nd! 🙂🙂

My answer is clear: I travel when I go see my aunt in Limoges. I travel when I go handle business in Bignouland. I'm a tourist as soon as I grab my bag for leisure, and I'm proud to be a tourist. And I don't globetrot because I couldn't care less about looking sophisticated!
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hello,

A classic essay topic on VF, with optional irony and tribal tendencies. 🙂

In my humble opinion, I think "traveling" is a very broad concept, and you can easily travel right in your own neighborhood—or even within yourself... Any movement, real or imaginary, in action or thought, is therefore a journey. Tourism is the consumerist version of travel: so most "round-the-world travelers"—especially the younger ones—are tourists, because what matters to them is "doing" a particular trek, as they frequent establishments specifically designed for their leisure. Someone who goes to a country to get around by public transport, eat with locals in neighborhood pubs, and stay in hotels for traveling salespeople is hardly a tourist. Or so it seems to me. 🙂

Michel
OT Ottlnpac Globetrotter ·
and I don’t travel much because I couldn’t care less about looking like I do!

+ 1
RO Roudi56 Regular ·
I travel to do tourism... what does that make me?
CE Cescableue Veteran ·
Me, I travel to do tourism... what am I?

😏😏😏
Quand il n'y a pas de solution, c'est qu' il n'y a pas de problème ! Woody Allen
SE SeniorCH Globetrotter ·
For me, there's a difference between the two terms:

Good evening,

a tourist is someone who visits monuments, museums, and eats just anything... they're not there for encounters! a traveler is someone who goes off the beaten path and seeks out people and customs...

And of course, you wouldn't dream of being one of *those* tourists!

Snobbery, you've got us hooked...🙂
A man, a plan, a canal, Panama - palindrome, auteur inconnu
AN Anàssa Globetrotter ·
Hello,

Ah, the recurring discussion paired with its usual outpouring of acidity... 🙂

bjr, yes I realize being a tourist is frowned upon, I’ll be a traveler from now on. That’s my resolution for 2011.

No need to come to VF to see that tourists are "frowned upon," it seems to me: in everyday language, expressions like "acting like a tourist," "playing the tourist," or "being here as a tourist"—when applied to daily life situations—have a distinctly negative connotation. They suggest a lack of involvement, a superficiality.

What’s more, how sad this binary tourist/traveler opposition is! As soon as you try to nuance the world, other figures of mobility emerge—the visitor, the passerby, the nomad, and surely others if we bothered to look. I do understand, though, that with the general trend toward impoverishment and confrontation, it’s futile to hope the semantic field escapes this tendency.

To wrap up while staying on topic, I don’t know if calling yourself a tourist or a traveler matters (personally, I don’t feel like I fit into either approach), but I do know that those who categorically label others with one of these terms fiercely defend the organization and order they’ve imposed on their mental universe—and it’s pointless to try to argue against that.

Best wishes for a 2011 that lives up to your dreams.

Catherine
RE Renosu Globetrotter ·
Hello,

No need to come to vf to see that tourists are "looked down upon," it seems to me. In everyday language, expressions like "acting like a tourist," "playing the tourist," or "being there as a tourist"—when applied to everyday situations—have a clearly negative connotation. They suggest a lack of involvement or superficiality.

Catherine

You forgot one application: ............. traveler’s diarrhea
CA Carls Regular ·
Hi, it was just a form of "humor"—when I'm on the move, I don’t think about any of this for a second. My post was "inspired" when I was looking for travel info and kept noticing this nuance in a lot of posts. I’ve only been using the forum for a short time to plan my future trips, and I didn’t realize it was a topic that’s been discussed so many times before. Anyway, it gets people talking, and it’s great to discuss without necessarily getting worked up. Best wishes to all forum members, left or right.
CA Carls Regular ·
hey renosu, it feels good to see there are still people who take things the right way. have a great day
FA Fabd Regular ·
Generally, there’s very little difference... Let’s just say a tourist isn’t necessarily a traveler.

I find the travel/holiday distinction more relevant!
GO Goleador Veteran ·
The journey smells of leather luggage, prefers the boat, ventures into places still almost untouched. He carries a book in hand, alone.

The tourist finds himself propelled thousands of kilometers from home in just a few hours. He has a herd instinct and comes to take advantage of his superior purchasing power to buy anything and everything. He tramples, dirties, pollutes, and despises.

The modern tourist is the scourge of a certain idea of travel. A hideous product and ultimate result of globalization, the reign of money, and the latest avatar of neocolonialism with an inhuman face.
"le précipice ne se franchit pas en deux bonds"
RA Raoulx Globetrotter ·
* ** neocolonialism ***

What’s the equivalent of the "Godwin’s point" for this trendy word that people throw around like the ultimate insult whenever someone doesn’t travel or sightsee according to a certain definition?????
CA Carls Regular ·
hey, so 99.9% of forum users should stop moving and stay home.
VE Venezia Regular ·
My travels smell like my old, battered Samsonite suitcase. I prefer flying, and the places I visit are often crowded (I'm not the only tourist, after all). I usually have a book in hand—a paper guide—and I only travel alone in Europe or with one other person. For far-off destinations, it's often with family or friends. My budget? (I have to save up for my plans.) But...

I don’t look down on, disrespect, bribe, or tarnish anyone!! Goléator, I don’t envy you one bit!
""Le bonheur, ça n'est pas grand-chose, madame, c'est du chagrin qui se repose." Léo Férré
AN Anàssa Globetrotter ·
Hello,

Travel smells of leather luggage, prefers boats, ventures into places that are almost still untouched. It’s done with a book in hand, by a person alone.

Does it change anything if the luggage is made of fabric? What I love about luggage is its scent of dust, its scratches, and especially its lightness. This description, right down to the book, evokes more of a dandy on the move, I must say—but why not...

The "person alone," however, can sketch the figure of the aspiring anchorite: a stranger in an unknown city, with no ties, no attachments, finally able to savor solitude. And with all due respect to monsieur ch'faisdel'humoursansprisedetete, I’ll add the fugitive and the vagabond to his narrow-minded duo.

Catherine
EL Eliade Globetrotter ·
Hi there! ... a common denominator: curiosity.

www.pluriels.uniterre.com
"pendant un instant l'usage des yeux : la lecture du monde. italo Calvino "Paroles de voyageurs" si tu n'as pas étudié, voyage".
GO Goleador Veteran ·
WOW WOW .............. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The earful I'm getting! !!!!!!!!!

But I admit I was asking for it 😉😉😉 ....

It's enlightening to see that on a travel exchange forum, we quickly hit limits... and that it's not wise to abruptly disrupt the prevailing vibe.

Of course, I exaggerated and overstated things.

But behind the intentionally provocative style, there's a little tongue-in-cheek message... one of a slightly sorrowful look at our times.

Best wishes and happy travels to all! 🙂
"le précipice ne se franchit pas en deux bonds"
VE Venezia Regular ·
🙂Hi, I prefer this tone. Wishing you all a wonderful year of travels!
""Le bonheur, ça n'est pas grand-chose, madame, c'est du chagrin qui se repose." Léo Férré
PY Pyj09 Regular ·
Even when you consider yourself a traveler, you’re always someone else’s tourist at one point or another.
pyj09
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Even when we consider ourselves travelers, we’re always someone else’s tourist at some point.

Why?

Michel
PY Pyj09 Regular ·
Because whether we come from somewhere else, dress differently, think differently, have different financial means, speak differently, or often belong to a different social class, etc... Even with the most open mind possible and showing sensitivity toward the inhabitants of the countries we visit, we never fully blend into the crowd. Somewhere, we remain foreigners. This is more noticeable in poorer countries or those with very different cultures where we can't really hide our origins. For all sorts of reasons, the way others look at us is different, and in many places, foreigners represent a potential source of income—they become a product, someone to whom people try to sell all sorts of things (a tourist). In wealthier countries, it's less obvious, but it's still there.

That said, it doesn’t usually bother me. I prefer being seen as a traveler, but it’s impossible to completely escape the tourist label because it’s others (who also have prejudices) who stick it on you.

Happy New Year!
pyj09
GI Gildadesiles Globetrotter ·
Earlier this afternoon, I was kind of in tourist mode at the office and traveled through the VF threads 😎
GO Goleador Veteran ·
hehehehe ...

You too 😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😎😎😎
"le précipice ne se franchit pas en deux bonds"
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
P-c-q because we come from elsewhere, dress differently, think differently, have different financial means, speak differently, are often from a different social class, etc...

Not necessarily....

Somewhere, we remain a foreigner.

Being a foreigner doesn’t make you a tourist—those are still two very different things.

In wealthier countries, it’s less obvious but still present.

I don’t think so.

Michel
PY Pyj09 Regular ·
I don’t mean to bring this up again, but:

Not necessarily... but often.

Being a foreigner doesn’t automatically make you a tourist... It’s others who judge you, and you don’t have control over that—you’re a tourist in their perception of things.

In wealthy countries... You can even be a tourist in your own country...

Bye....
pyj09
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
It’s others who judge you, and you don’t have control—you’re a tourist in their perception of things.

There are key factors: in regular clothes, without a backpack, without touristy gear, and not obviously using tourist services, you seriously reduce prejudices.

Michel
PY Pyj09 Regular ·
Yeah, common sense will always have its place. But that only goes so far. There are places where just the color of your skin makes you a tourist. That said, I think we understand each other on the essentials...

Bye, Jean
pyj09
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
There are places where just the color of your skin makes you a tourist.

We have such different experiences that we can’t really understand each other, it seems.

Michel
HA Hartnett Regular ·
For me, there's a difference between the two terms:

Good evening,

tourist: someone who visits monuments, museums, and eats just anything... they're not there for encounters! traveler: someone who goes off the beaten path and seeks out people and customs...

And of course, you couldn't possibly be one of *those* tourists!

Snobbery, you’ve got us hooked...🙂

Oh no, don’t get me wrong—I’m 100% a tourist for now!!! I don’t see where the snobbery is in what I said... to me, there are just two categories, that’s all
PY Pyj09 Regular ·
Maybe having blue eyes and chestnut hair makes me meet different kinds of people. Who knows....
pyj09
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Maybe having blue eyes and chestnut hair makes me meet different kinds of people. Who knows....

It's not just that; there are also very different destinations, and no doubt very different travel habits too.....

Michel
AN Anàssa Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

There are places where the mere color of your skin makes you a tourist.

Well, to the extent that, if I understood the definition correctly: a local sees you as a tourist if they try to sell you something (and in many places, foreigners represent a potential source of income, so they become a product, someone you try to sell all sorts of things to—a tourist), I think it really depends more on where you choose to set foot in the country than on the color of your skin. For example, in Plaka, you’re definitely a tourist, but you’re not anymore if you’re sipping ouzo in Exarchia just 1 km away. In Sangha, where "souvenirs" are on display, you’re a tourist, but you’re not in some remote village further on because they’ve got nothing left to sell you, e così via.

Catherine
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
A traveler is an extraterrestrial (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyageur_(Star_Trek)); a tourist, a spy (http://www.polarnoir.fr/livre.php?livre=liv936); a frequent traveler, a loyal SNCF customer (http://www.grandvoyageur-sncf.com/).

Apart from that, I really have no idea what you're talking about
OT Ottlnpac Globetrotter ·
TOURIST, noun.

1. Someone who engages in tourism, who travels for pleasure, to relax, enrich themselves, or learn. Synonyms: vacationer, day-tripper, globetrotter, walker, hiker, holidaymaker, traveler, visitor.

Traveler distinguished by their country of origin, the places they visit, the means of transportation they use, etc.

2. By extension. a) Synonym of foreigner. I’m a colonial. Europe doesn’t want me; I’ll always just be a tourist there (Larbaud, Barnabooth, 1913, p. 119). b) Amateur, someone who takes an interest in things out of curiosity but in a superficial way.

TRAVELER, noun and adjective.

I. − Noun A. − 1. Someone who moves along a generally pre-planned route using a particular means of transport (usually public transport). Synonym: passenger.

2. Someone who takes one or more trips for study, discovery, or relaxation. a) A scholar or explorer who spends part of their life visiting and studying new regions, recording their observations in writing to share with contemporaries and future generations. b) A person traveling alone or in a group for the love of adventure, a change of scenery, and for relaxation and leisure. Synonyms: adventurer, tourist, visitor.

For more details, check out these links: http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/touriste http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/voyageur

Everyone will find their own definition here, so let’s stop bickering.
OT Ottlnpac Globetrotter ·
Maybe having blue eyes and brown hair makes me meet different kinds of people.

😏😏😏😏 Oh yeah, I'm convinced a blonde with blue eyes and big boobs meets different types than a brunette with a big nose and a wooden leg 😉😉😉😉

Okay, I'm out...😛😊
ME MengWan Globetrotter ·
Everyone will find their own meaning and definition in it, so stop bickering.

LOL

Happy New Year...

😎
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
CH Choucarde Globetrotter ·
There are places where the mere color of your skin makes you a tourist.

Oh yeah, the sunburns! 😅
Choucarde
OT Ottlnpac Globetrotter ·
Thanks, and to you and yours as well.
PY Pyj09 Regular ·
For your information, I'm a guy.
pyj09
OT Ottlnpac Globetrotter ·
For your information, I'm a guy.

😎😎😎 Actually, when I wrote that sentence, I wasn’t thinking of you specifically—it was more of a general "image." In another context, I might have written, "you meet a different type of people when you're a brunette, 5'11", muscular with a nice a... than when you're short, bald, and have a belly like a woman who's seven months pregnant."

Just a late-night joke that doesn’t mean the people the first guy meets are more interesting than those the second one does.

Have a good evening, Pat

Similar discussions

You might also like