Israël-Syrie via la Jordanie
by Elmasreyya
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
En mission un mois à Jérusalem au mois de juin, je souhaite ensuite gagner la Syrie, puis le Liban par voie terrestre, autrement dit, via la Jordanie. Est-il possible d'accomplir ce périple, ou non, sachant que le visa israélien sera sur feuille volante (ou sur un deuxième passeport) ? J'ai bien conscience qu'il y aura un "trou" dans les déplacements, mais est-ce vraiment un obstacle ? Après tout, existe-il une preuve que les autorités en Syrie peuvent me réclamer stipulant que je suis arrivée en Jordanie par les terres et non par avion ?...
Si certains ont déjà fait ce périple, merci d'éclaire ma lanterne ! 😎
Bonjour,
Méfiez-vous car le tampon sur feuille volante n’est pas garanti et vous ne seriez pas le premier à l’avoir tamponné parce que la personne en face de vous était de mauvais poil ou mal réveillé !
Autre souci, l’entrée sur le territoire jordanien. Ici aussi, les points de passages (avec Israël) sont connus des syriens et il ne faudrait pas que l’on le retrouve dans votre passeport.
Mais alors, comment êtes vous entré en Jordanie (et donc d’où) si n’apparait seulement que votre sortie du territoire ?
A mon avis, c’est mal parti…
Michel
Méfiez-vous car le tampon sur feuille volante n’est pas garanti et vous ne seriez pas le premier à l’avoir tamponné parce que la personne en face de vous était de mauvais poil ou mal réveillé !
Autre souci, l’entrée sur le territoire jordanien. Ici aussi, les points de passages (avec Israël) sont connus des syriens et il ne faudrait pas que l’on le retrouve dans votre passeport.
Mais alors, comment êtes vous entré en Jordanie (et donc d’où) si n’apparait seulement que votre sortie du territoire ?
A mon avis, c’est mal parti…
Michel
Bonjour,
Aucune évidence d'entrée en Israël est obligatoire. Dans ma mémoire l'entrée, la seule entrée qui ne donne pas de tampon du tout (coté palestine occupée et coté jordanien ou égyptien) est celle d'Allenby Bridge. Car en effet les Jordaniens ne la considère pas comme une frontière est ne tamponne pas votre passeport. Israël "peut" vous la faire sur une feuille volante. Il vaut mieux aller en Syrie ou au Liban avant. C'est plus simple. Il ne rigoles pas vraiment avec les tampons égyptiens et jordaniens et ils scruteront si vous êtes passé par Israël. Par exemple si vous quittez Aqaba pour l'Egypte en traversant Israël (tout en ayant un tampon sur papier volant), ils savent que le tampon Taba (via terrestre) signifie passage via Israël. Si vous rentrez par voie aérienne à Amman, le tampon le stipulera. Ils sont pas fous, il faut mieux pas ne pas prendre ce genre de choses à la légère. Ils ne souhaitent pas accueillir des gens transitant par Israël, c'est tout. La Syrie est sous état d'urgence depuis 1963, le gouvernement le justifie par l'état de guerre avec Israël...
Aucune évidence d'entrée en Israël est obligatoire. Dans ma mémoire l'entrée, la seule entrée qui ne donne pas de tampon du tout (coté palestine occupée et coté jordanien ou égyptien) est celle d'Allenby Bridge. Car en effet les Jordaniens ne la considère pas comme une frontière est ne tamponne pas votre passeport. Israël "peut" vous la faire sur une feuille volante. Il vaut mieux aller en Syrie ou au Liban avant. C'est plus simple. Il ne rigoles pas vraiment avec les tampons égyptiens et jordaniens et ils scruteront si vous êtes passé par Israël. Par exemple si vous quittez Aqaba pour l'Egypte en traversant Israël (tout en ayant un tampon sur papier volant), ils savent que le tampon Taba (via terrestre) signifie passage via Israël. Si vous rentrez par voie aérienne à Amman, le tampon le stipulera. Ils sont pas fous, il faut mieux pas ne pas prendre ce genre de choses à la légère. Ils ne souhaitent pas accueillir des gens transitant par Israël, c'est tout. La Syrie est sous état d'urgence depuis 1963, le gouvernement le justifie par l'état de guerre avec Israël...
"Bon et beau voyage"
Je pense que vous sous-estimez le rapport de force😊 : s'ils ont le moindre doute que vous êtes rentrés en Jordanie par la route (et donc via Israël car sinon, pourquoi le cacher ?), ils vous refuseront l'entrée. Concernant le pont d'Allenby, il me semblait qu'il fallait avoir le visa quand même ?
Contrairement à ce que disait Fernand Raynaud, tous les douaniers ne sont pas des imbéciles 😉
"Voyager, c'est bien utile, ça fait travailler l'imagination.
Tout le reste n'est que déceptions et fatigues." Céline
mes photos de voyage : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fabrice-Bloch-photographe/232403640142664
Tu ne peux avoir dans ton passeport :
- Tampon Israélien - Tampon de frontière israélienne d'un pays tiers (ex: Allenby en Jordanie).
Par la terre, aux douanes, il faut la continuité des sorties/entrées sur les passeports normalement. Obligé donc de prendre l'avion TEL-AVIV / AMMAN OU TEL-AVIV /CHYPRE/BEYROUTH pour changer de passeport...comme si tu débarquais d'Europe (sans oublier d'enlever les étiquettes des bagages)...
Bon voyage ! Pierre.
- Tampon Israélien - Tampon de frontière israélienne d'un pays tiers (ex: Allenby en Jordanie).
Par la terre, aux douanes, il faut la continuité des sorties/entrées sur les passeports normalement. Obligé donc de prendre l'avion TEL-AVIV / AMMAN OU TEL-AVIV /CHYPRE/BEYROUTH pour changer de passeport...comme si tu débarquais d'Europe (sans oublier d'enlever les étiquettes des bagages)...
Bon voyage ! Pierre.
Merci de vos réponses : à défaut d'être de bonnes nouvelles, elles ont le mérite d'être très précises ! La seule solution envisageable est donc de faire Tel Aviv-Amman en avion (si tant est que cette histoire de tampon se fasse bien sur feuille volante ou sur un 2e passeport...).
Merci beaucoup !
Bonjour,
Pour complément d'infos, je vous informe par connaissance de cause. Attention à la douane terrestre Jordanie/Syrie. La douane Syrienne est assez miticuleuse, fouineuse au risque de vous poser la question de montrer le billet d'avion du billet retour. Quant au tampon d'Israël, ce n'est guère une certitude de l'obtenir sur feuille volante. "C'est au petit bonheur la chance". Bonne journée
Pour complément d'infos, je vous informe par connaissance de cause. Attention à la douane terrestre Jordanie/Syrie. La douane Syrienne est assez miticuleuse, fouineuse au risque de vous poser la question de montrer le billet d'avion du billet retour. Quant au tampon d'Israël, ce n'est guère une certitude de l'obtenir sur feuille volante. "C'est au petit bonheur la chance". Bonne journée
L'homme arrive novice à chaque âge de la vie.
Chamfort
La Jordanie n'appose aucun tampon au pont Allenby.
Il faut donc jongler sur 2 passeports.
Il parait (je ne l'ai pas fait) que les Syriens ne veulent pas voir de traces d'Israël sur un passeport mais qu'ils ne cherchent pas à comprendre qu'il y a un trou dans le voyage...
Autrement dit: 1er passeport: arrivée en Israël, tampon israélien. Passage de la frontière jordanienne avec ce même passeport.
Arrivée à la frontière syrienne, 2ème passeport.
Il faut aussi compter sur un peu de bonne volonté de la part du douanier syrien... Bref, c'est un peu bancale... Au pire tu passeras pas la frontière.
Sinon, il faut prendre un avion tel aviv- amman.
Autrement dit: 1er passeport: arrivée en Israël, tampon israélien. Passage de la frontière jordanienne avec ce même passeport.
Arrivée à la frontière syrienne, 2ème passeport.
Il faut aussi compter sur un peu de bonne volonté de la part du douanier syrien... Bref, c'est un peu bancale... Au pire tu passeras pas la frontière.
Sinon, il faut prendre un avion tel aviv- amman.
le mieux est de commencer par la syrie et terminer par israel
pourquoi compliquer quand on peut faire simple! 😉
pourquoi compliquer quand on peut faire simple! 😉
demande un second passeport c'est mieux, si tu as le temps....en expliquant en mairie la situation
maman mon bel amour
Bonjour,
demande un second passeport c'est mieux, si tu as le temps....en expliquant en mairie la situation
Je ne sais pas où vous allez pour obtenir ainsi un second passeport, mais je vous assure que sans lettre d'un employeur qui justifie la situation, dans les mairies de l'ouest de la France, vous allez vous faire envoyer balader sèchement. 😕
Michel
demande un second passeport c'est mieux, si tu as le temps....en expliquant en mairie la situation
Je ne sais pas où vous allez pour obtenir ainsi un second passeport, mais je vous assure que sans lettre d'un employeur qui justifie la situation, dans les mairies de l'ouest de la France, vous allez vous faire envoyer balader sèchement. 😕
Michel
slt,
j'ai demandé un second passeport pour moi, mon époux et mon fils de 5 ans à la mairie dans le 93 : j'ai du simplement faire une lettre explicative expliquant les raisons pour lesquelles je demandais un second passeport, par contre j'ai du racheté les timbres fiscaux nécessaires........
maman mon bel amour
j'ai demandé un second passeport pour moi, mon époux et mon fils de 5 ans à la mairie dans le 93 : j'ai du simplement faire une lettre explicative expliquant les raisons pour lesquelles je demandais un second passeport, par contre j'ai du racheté les timbres fiscaux nécessaires........
Oui, il y a des différences de traitement énormes ; en Bretagne, par exemple, c'est totalement impossible.
Michel
Oui, il y a des différences de traitement énormes ; en Bretagne, par exemple, c'est totalement impossible.
Michel
renseigne toi quand même auprès de ta prefecture de region, car c'est un droit, il n'y a pas de raison,
maman mon bel amour
Avoir un second passeport n'est pas du tout un droit, non.....
Michel
Michel
Bonjour,
posséder deux passeports français en même temps me semble même illégal 🤪
"Voyager, c'est bien utile, ça fait travailler l'imagination.
Tout le reste n'est que déceptions et fatigues." Céline
mes photos de voyage : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fabrice-Bloch-photographe/232403640142664
la preuve que non puisque ma prefecture de bobigny (93000) m'a délivrée un second passeport après avoir fait une attestation sur l'honneur explicative disant que certains pays comme libye algerie syrie refoulaient les personnes ayant un tampon israelien..........il n'y a eu aucun souci, on m'en a établi un deuxième........
maman mon bel amour
Ok, mais dans ce cas-là, ils annulent le premier non ?
"Voyager, c'est bien utile, ça fait travailler l'imagination.
Tout le reste n'est que déceptions et fatigues." Céline
mes photos de voyage : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fabrice-Bloch-photographe/232403640142664
Bonjour,
posséder deux passeports français en même temps me semble même illégal 🤪
C'est légal si c'est pour motif professionnel.
Michel
posséder deux passeports français en même temps me semble même illégal 🤪
C'est légal si c'est pour motif professionnel.
Michel
non, pas du tout, j'ai deux passeports avec les mm dates de peremption pour moi, mon mari et mon fils de 5 ans.........faut dire que nous sommes partis cet hiver en libye en passant par tunisie et libye........mais c'est vrai qu'en general les deux passeports st delivres aux hommes d'affaires ou aux personnes devant se rendre regulièrement en israel et syrie ou autes ( iran, yemen, arabie saoudite, irak, syrie, algerie, libye; afghanistan etc...........)ils utilisent un passeport pour israel et l'autre pour les pays arabes....mais moi je les ai obtenu mais parce que j'en ai utilité c'est tout et ils sont valables tous les deux ........
maman mon bel amour
non, pas du tout, j'ai deux passeports avec les mm dates de peremption pour moi, mon mari et mon fils de 5 ans.........faut dire que nous sommes partis cet hiver en libye en passant par tunisie et libye........mais c'est vrai qu'en general les deux passeports st delivres aux hommes d'affaires ou aux personnes devant se rendre regulièrement en israel et syrie ou autes ( iran, yemen, arabie saoudite, irak, syrie, algerie, libye; afghanistan etc...........)ils utilisent un passeport pour israel et l'autre pour les pays arabes....mais moi je les ai obtenu mais parce que j'en ai utilité c'est tout et ils sont valables tous les deux ........
A vous lire je commence à douter qu'ils soient valables tous les deux ; ils ont la même date de fin de validité ? Alors à mon avis le premier n'est plus valable. Pour en avoir un second, à titre professionnel, il faut normalement fournir : - la photocopie des 6 premières pages du premier passeport - la page où il y a le visa incompatible si cette raison est envisagée - l’attestation précise de l’employeur motivant cette demande - le dernier bulletin de salaire justifiant l’emploi dans cette société - le coupon signé indiquant le motif
Michel
A vous lire je commence à douter qu'ils soient valables tous les deux ; ils ont la même date de fin de validité ? Alors à mon avis le premier n'est plus valable. Pour en avoir un second, à titre professionnel, il faut normalement fournir : - la photocopie des 6 premières pages du premier passeport - la page où il y a le visa incompatible si cette raison est envisagée - l’attestation précise de l’employeur motivant cette demande - le dernier bulletin de salaire justifiant l’emploi dans cette société - le coupon signé indiquant le motif
Michel
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I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.





