Je part au japon au mois de mai du 3 au 21, et je vais être amené a faire de longue distance et donc de prendre le train notamment entre Kyoto et Hakone puis Hakone Tokyo et j aimerai rajouter un Tokyo Nikko AR. Pour l instant les dates ne sont pas fixe mais ce serai a peu près du 3 au 8 a Osaka puis du 8 au 11 a Kyoto ensuite du 11 au 13 dans vers Hakone et enfin Tokyo du 13 au 21 avec une excursion d'une nuit si possible a Nikko. J ai vu qu'il y avais des JR Pass de 7 jours a 209e a peu près, donc si j arrive a faire tous mes déplacements dans les 7 jours sa pourrai le faire. Je voulais avoir vos avis si c'est vraiment le bon choix de prendre le JR Pass et si il fallait le réserver en avance comme j ai pu lire sur des topic précédent ?
Itinéraire Japon: JR Pass
by Aschmedai
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à toutes et à tous.
Je part au japon au mois de mai du 3 au 21, et je vais être amené a faire de longue distance et donc de prendre le train notamment entre Kyoto et Hakone puis Hakone Tokyo et j aimerai rajouter un Tokyo Nikko AR. Pour l instant les dates ne sont pas fixe mais ce serai a peu près du 3 au 8 a Osaka puis du 8 au 11 a Kyoto ensuite du 11 au 13 dans vers Hakone et enfin Tokyo du 13 au 21 avec une excursion d'une nuit si possible a Nikko. J ai vu qu'il y avais des JR Pass de 7 jours a 209e a peu près, donc si j arrive a faire tous mes déplacements dans les 7 jours sa pourrai le faire. Je voulais avoir vos avis si c'est vraiment le bon choix de prendre le JR Pass et si il fallait le réserver en avance comme j ai pu lire sur des topic précédent ?
Je part au japon au mois de mai du 3 au 21, et je vais être amené a faire de longue distance et donc de prendre le train notamment entre Kyoto et Hakone puis Hakone Tokyo et j aimerai rajouter un Tokyo Nikko AR. Pour l instant les dates ne sont pas fixe mais ce serai a peu près du 3 au 8 a Osaka puis du 8 au 11 a Kyoto ensuite du 11 au 13 dans vers Hakone et enfin Tokyo du 13 au 21 avec une excursion d'une nuit si possible a Nikko. J ai vu qu'il y avais des JR Pass de 7 jours a 209e a peu près, donc si j arrive a faire tous mes déplacements dans les 7 jours sa pourrai le faire. Je voulais avoir vos avis si c'est vraiment le bon choix de prendre le JR Pass et si il fallait le réserver en avance comme j ai pu lire sur des topic précédent ?
Un AR de Tokyo à Kyoto revient au prix d'un pass 7 jours donc tu amortis à coup sûr et le reste est bonus.
Le Pass n'est valable que pour les étrangers donc tu dois obligatoirement l'acheter avant de partir !
Impossible de l'avoir sur place.
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En faite non je fait pas l aller retour kyoto Tokyo. J arrive à osaka et je repart de Tokyo, je vais passer par les ville de osaka puis kyoto puis hakone puis Tokyo et j aurais aimé aller jusqu a nikko. Après j ai lu il me semble que avec le Jr pass on pouvait prendre le métro à Tokyo est ce vrai ? Sinon j ai déjà une carte suica que j avais gardé d un voyage precedent
Faut faire le calcul alors.
http://www.hyperdia.com/en/
A Tokyo, le métro avec le JR Pass fonctionne uniquement avec les lignes JR comme la Yamanote Line, le métro est géré par plusieurs compagnies donc la Suica te permet de payer partout sans se prendre la tête 😛 mais ce n'est pas un organisme unique comme dans la plupart des villes.
Pour résumer très basiquement, JR serait la SNCF et le métro par des RATP 😎
A Tokyo, le métro avec le JR Pass fonctionne uniquement avec les lignes JR comme la Yamanote Line, le métro est géré par plusieurs compagnies donc la Suica te permet de payer partout sans se prendre la tête 😛 mais ce n'est pas un organisme unique comme dans la plupart des villes.
Pour résumer très basiquement, JR serait la SNCF et le métro par des RATP 😎
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" Psychologiquement instable donc je ne réponds de rien" : Sa Maman
" Psychologiquement instable donc je ne réponds de rien" : Sa Maman
Le JRP n'est pas rentable dans ton cas, mais si tu rajoutes dessus le trajet pour Nikko et quelques trajets en banlieue de Kyoto ou de Tokyo, c'est déjà plus intéressant, d'autant plus que le JRP est autrement plus agréable que l'achat de tickets au détail...
Pas besoin de réserver, tu peux l'acheter trois avant (mais faut l'acheter en France).
Pas besoin de réserver, tu peux l'acheter trois avant (mais faut l'acheter en France).
merci pour vos réponses ;)
J ai encore une petite question sur le fonctionnement de la carte JR pass, si j ai bien compris il permet de prendre n'importe quel ligne JR, train ou metro, à n 'importe quel moment sans réservation préalable.
Alors comme vous me l avez dis j'ai fais des simulations sur hyperdia ( j ai bien galéré à tout comprendre d'ailleurs) et en faisant les petites excursions que j 'ai prévu comme au Koyasan, a Nara et peu être Otsu ou ailleurs autour du lac biwa, puis au mont fuji et à Nikko je suis arriver à un total de 18000 yens a peu prés. Sans compter tous les petits déplacements en metro en utilisant les lignes JR.
Par contre ce que j ai pas compris c'est au niveau des sieges, pour certains trajets ils proposent de réservé un siege ( le prix du trajet double pratiquement ) mais est ce obligatoire ? si oui le prix du total que j 'ai calculé augmente beaucoup.
Après sachant que le yens et a 128y pour 1e et que le jr pass est a 209e sa me fait presque 60e de non utiliser sur le pass c'est balo, mais sa a l air bien plus pratique tout de meme, puis ca evite de chercher à acheter les billet sur place
J ai encore une petite question sur le fonctionnement de la carte JR pass, si j ai bien compris il permet de prendre n'importe quel ligne JR, train ou metro, à n 'importe quel moment sans réservation préalable.
Alors comme vous me l avez dis j'ai fais des simulations sur hyperdia ( j ai bien galéré à tout comprendre d'ailleurs) et en faisant les petites excursions que j 'ai prévu comme au Koyasan, a Nara et peu être Otsu ou ailleurs autour du lac biwa, puis au mont fuji et à Nikko je suis arriver à un total de 18000 yens a peu prés. Sans compter tous les petits déplacements en metro en utilisant les lignes JR.
Par contre ce que j ai pas compris c'est au niveau des sieges, pour certains trajets ils proposent de réservé un siege ( le prix du trajet double pratiquement ) mais est ce obligatoire ? si oui le prix du total que j 'ai calculé augmente beaucoup.
Après sachant que le yens et a 128y pour 1e et que le jr pass est a 209e sa me fait presque 60e de non utiliser sur le pass c'est balo, mais sa a l air bien plus pratique tout de meme, puis ca evite de chercher à acheter les billet sur place
Par contre ce que j ai pas compris c'est au niveau des sieges, pour certains trajets ils proposent de réservé un siege (le prix du trajet double pratiquement) mais est ce obligatoire ? si oui le prix du total que j 'ai calculé augmente beaucoup.
Il faut prendre la somme des deux, Fare et Seat Fee, ce que Hyperdia appelle... Total (original !). Sans JRP, on n'est pas obligé de réserver un siège, mais même sans réservation, on paie un Seat Fee.
Exemple : un Hikari entre Tokyo et Kyoto... Avec réservation : 8210 + 5590 = 13800 ¥ Sans réservation : 8210 + 4870 = 13080 ¥
Avec le JRP, les réservations sont gratuites.
Il faut prendre la somme des deux, Fare et Seat Fee, ce que Hyperdia appelle... Total (original !). Sans JRP, on n'est pas obligé de réserver un siège, mais même sans réservation, on paie un Seat Fee.
Exemple : un Hikari entre Tokyo et Kyoto... Avec réservation : 8210 + 5590 = 13800 ¥ Sans réservation : 8210 + 4870 = 13080 ¥
Avec le JRP, les réservations sont gratuites.
J ai encore une petite question sur le fonctionnement de la carte JR pass, si j ai bien compris il permet de prendre n'importe quel ligne JR, train ou metro, à n 'importe quel moment sans réservation préalable.
Oui tu peux utiliser n'importe quelle ligne JR mais pas forcément tous les trains (pas le Nozomi parmi les Shinakansen notamment) et, attention, à Tokyo le réseau JR ne concerne globalement qu'une ligne qui relie en boucle les principaux quartier (la Yamanote Line, parfois pratique mais pas toujours la plus intéressante selon l'itinéraire). Le réseau qui quadrille vraiment la ville s'appelle le Tokyo Metro et ne fonctionne pas avec le Pass.
Oui tu peux utiliser n'importe quelle ligne JR mais pas forcément tous les trains (pas le Nozomi parmi les Shinakansen notamment) et, attention, à Tokyo le réseau JR ne concerne globalement qu'une ligne qui relie en boucle les principaux quartier (la Yamanote Line, parfois pratique mais pas toujours la plus intéressante selon l'itinéraire). Le réseau qui quadrille vraiment la ville s'appelle le Tokyo Metro et ne fonctionne pas avec le Pass.
Il faut savoir que dans les Shinkanzen, il y a toujours 4 ou 5 wagons exclusifs pour les non-réservations 😛
Cela veut dire que contrairement à un TGV, un train ne peut pas être plein avant même le départ.
Et que si tu prends un siège dans ces wagons, personne ne viendra te dégager au prochain arrêt avec sa résa 😉 Ils ont bien identifiés dans les rames.
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" Psychologiquement instable donc je ne réponds de rien" : Sa Maman
Et que si tu prends un siège dans ces wagons, personne ne viendra te dégager au prochain arrêt avec sa résa
Oui, c'est bien pratique. En plus, si on prend le train en cours de trajet et que tous les sièges non-réservés sont pris, on peut rester quand même dans le train, contrairement aux TGV (en principe).
Oui, c'est bien pratique. En plus, si on prend le train en cours de trajet et que tous les sièges non-réservés sont pris, on peut rester quand même dans le train, contrairement aux TGV (en principe).
excusez moi mais je n ai toujours pas compris 🤪
par exemple la pour le trajet si dessous: si je n ai pas le JR Pass je vais payer 13600
et un tout petit peu moins si je prend l option unreserved seat.
mais si je prend le JR Pass qu'est ce que je vais payer ?
moi je penser que je ne devais plus rien payer une fois le pass acheter, que je pouvais effectuer n importe quel trajet, JR bien sur, gratuitement
moi je penser que je ne devais plus rien payer une fois le pass acheter, que je pouvais effectuer n importe quel trajet, JR bien sur, gratuitement
Ben oui, avec le JRP, tu ne paies rien, même si tu réserves ta place.
En fait, avec le Pass, soit tu prends directement le train en allant dans les voitures non réservées, soit tu passes d'abord dans un bureau JR pour réserver ta place (tu n'es pas obligé de le faire juste avant).
En fait, avec le Pass, soit tu prends directement le train en allant dans les voitures non réservées, soit tu passes d'abord dans un bureau JR pour réserver ta place (tu n'es pas obligé de le faire juste avant).
Faut faire le calcul alors.
www.hyperdia.com/en/
A Tokyo, le métro avec le JR Pass fonctionne uniquement avec les lignes JR comme la Yamanote Line, le métro est géré par plusieurs compagnies donc la Suica te permet de payer partout sans se prendre la tête 😛 mais ce n'est pas un organisme unique comme dans la plupart des villes.
Pour résumer très basiquement, JR serait la SNCF et le métro par des RATP 😎
Bonsoir Desole de vous solliciter. Nous partons au Japon pour 9 Jours et 8 nuits au printemps en avril 2019 Nous arrivons d'OSAKA ou nous voulons rester 3 jours pour visiter Osaka/Kyoto/Hiroshima et Mayajima, puis 4 nuit à Tokyo.
La JR PASS nous permet-elle de prendre les trains dans les aeroprt de Tokyo et Osaka Que pouvez-vous nous conseiller comme hébergement central pour ne pas demenanger tous les jours, bien que nous voulons au moins dormir une fois dans un Ryokan. D'avance merci
Paul
A Tokyo, le métro avec le JR Pass fonctionne uniquement avec les lignes JR comme la Yamanote Line, le métro est géré par plusieurs compagnies donc la Suica te permet de payer partout sans se prendre la tête 😛 mais ce n'est pas un organisme unique comme dans la plupart des villes.
Pour résumer très basiquement, JR serait la SNCF et le métro par des RATP 😎
Bonsoir Desole de vous solliciter. Nous partons au Japon pour 9 Jours et 8 nuits au printemps en avril 2019 Nous arrivons d'OSAKA ou nous voulons rester 3 jours pour visiter Osaka/Kyoto/Hiroshima et Mayajima, puis 4 nuit à Tokyo.
La JR PASS nous permet-elle de prendre les trains dans les aeroprt de Tokyo et Osaka Que pouvez-vous nous conseiller comme hébergement central pour ne pas demenanger tous les jours, bien que nous voulons au moins dormir une fois dans un Ryokan. D'avance merci
Paul
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Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region. After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani? Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Thanks for your tips!
Fred
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region. After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani? Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Thanks for your tips!
Fred
Hi! I arrive in Vancouver on August 24, 2025, and I’m staying until Friday, August 29, 2025—the day I take *The Canadian* train to Toronto.
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
Hi
Have any of you booked tickets through rail.ninja?
Hi there,
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
Hi there,
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Thanks in advance! 😊
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
