Passport biométrique sans empreintes, valable pour les États-Unis?
by Poupie3
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Lorsque nous avons cherché nos passeports, la personne de la mairie qui nous les a remis les a passé dans une machine pour les contrôler; elle s'est rendu compte que celui de mon mari n'avait pas enregistré les empreintes (alors qu'elles avaient été relevé lors de la demande), mais nous a dit que cela arrivait...à notre question de savoir s'il serait valable pour partir aux Etats-Unis, elle n'a pas pu nous répondre. Nous avons posé la question à la préfecture deux fois: aucune réponse . A votre avis, mon mari rentrera-t-il aux Etats-Unis sans problèmes?
Avons nous d'autres formalités a effectuer avant notre départ? (la mairie refuse de faire refaire le passeport...).
Merci pour votre réponse.
Si vous en avez encore le temps retournez à la mairie en insistant et en menacant si besoin d'avoir recours au médiateur... vous etes totalement dans votre droit d'exiger un nouveau passeport en plus avec l'affaire récente du "cout des passeports" vous devriez avoir gain de cause assez facilement.
Sinon l'inefficacité et l'incompétence dont fait preuve notre pays depuis des années concernant les passeports, est de notoriété telle aux USA, que ce probléme ne devrait pas poser de soucis graves.
Sinon l'inefficacité et l'incompétence dont fait preuve notre pays depuis des années concernant les passeports, est de notoriété telle aux USA, que ce probléme ne devrait pas poser de soucis graves.
Voyager, c'est demander d'un coup à la distance ce que le temps ne pourrait nous donner que peu à peu, c'est gagner son procès contre l'habitude.
Bonjour, pour répondre à ta question, quel type de passeport avez-vous?
ps: autre formalité à faire: demander, minimum 72 heures à l'avance, sur le site de l'Esta, une autorisation d'entrer aux usa. Attention, cette autorisation est gratuite, ne jamais payer pour l'avoir, sinon c'est une arnaque
Salut Poupie3
Est-ce un passeport biométrique ou électronique qui a été établi en mairie ?
@+ le spartiate
Est-ce un passeport biométrique ou électronique qui a été établi en mairie ?
@+ le spartiate
Tout ce qui ne vous tue pas , vous rend plus fort !!
Bonjour, c'est un passeport biométrique! nous avons fait faire 5 passeports, l'un avait une date de naissance erronée, la mairie a accepté de le faire refaire en urgence car ils étaient responsable de l'erreur, le deuxième comportait une faute d'orthographe sur le prénom de ma fille, on le fera refaire à la rentrée...et le troisième n'a pas les empreintes enregistrées dans la puce...pour celui-ci ils n'ont rien à proposer, et pour eux aucun problème pour rentrer aux Etats-Unis.
Les deux autres passeports sont corrects😉
Mon mari pense que ce n'est pas un problème de rentrer avec un passeport sans empreintes dans la mesure ou les Etats-Unis acceptent encore les passeports non biométriques.
`J'ai quand même un doute....
bonjour pourquoi ne pas appeler la compagnie aérienne pour vérifier?? En même temps, ils ont l'air passablement abruti, dans ta mairie🙁, autant d'erreur, c'est fou!!! C'est à eux de réparer leur erreur puisque c'est eux qui l'ont commise, non? Si la compagnie aérienne te dit que c'est un problème, fais un souk à la mairie!
Et qu'est-ce qui vous a amené à vérifier ça ?
D'habitude on ne vérifie pas ça.
Michel
Michel
Exact! En général, la mairie te donne les passeports, point final... Ce serait intéressant de savoir comment ils s'en sont aperçus...
A la remise des passeports, ils demandent de les vérifier (c'est comme cela que l'on a vu les problèmes de date de naissance et de faute dans un prénom). ils les passent ensuite dans une machine pour lire la puce, et c'est à ce moment que l'employé de mairie a constaté l'absence d'empreintes, elle a appelé une collègue qui lui a dit que c'était déjà arrivé... Nous avons alors rétorqué que lors du dépôt du dossier pour l'obtention du passeport, les prises d'empreintes avaient bien été faites. Pour eux c'est un problème de fabrication; ils n'y sont pour rien et ça ne nécessite pas de le faire refaire!
J'espère pour eux (et surtout pour toi) qu'ils ont raison!! tiens nous au courant
Mon mari pense que ce n'est pas un problème de rentrer avec un passeport sans empreintes dans la mesure ou les Etats-Unis acceptent encore les passeports non biométriques.
`J'ai quand même un doute....
la puce du passeport électronique doit comporter: - l'état civil de la page passeport - la photo numérisée
la puce du passeport bio: - l'état civil de la page passeport - la photo numérisée - l'empreinte de 2 doigts (bien que l'empreinte de 8 doigts a été prise)
Si le terminal de l'officier d'immigration à la frontière ne fait pas la différence entre passeport biométrique et électronique : c'est bon. si non il détectera l'anomalie et en matière de sécurité les Américains sont draconiens: au pire, ça sera le retour maison au mieux: dirigé vers un 2ième contrôle qui risque de durer quelques heures.. le temps de vérifier les données du passeport et de poser quelques questions.
j'espère que vous n'êtes pas en transit😇
j'espère que ça va aller, mais j'insisterai auprès de la mairie pour le refaire
bon courage, tiens nous au courant car le cas pourrait encore bien se présenter, afin pouvoir renseigner utilement d'autres forumers @+ le spartiate
la puce du passeport électronique doit comporter: - l'état civil de la page passeport - la photo numérisée
la puce du passeport bio: - l'état civil de la page passeport - la photo numérisée - l'empreinte de 2 doigts (bien que l'empreinte de 8 doigts a été prise)
Si le terminal de l'officier d'immigration à la frontière ne fait pas la différence entre passeport biométrique et électronique : c'est bon. si non il détectera l'anomalie et en matière de sécurité les Américains sont draconiens: au pire, ça sera le retour maison au mieux: dirigé vers un 2ième contrôle qui risque de durer quelques heures.. le temps de vérifier les données du passeport et de poser quelques questions.
j'espère que vous n'êtes pas en transit😇
j'espère que ça va aller, mais j'insisterai auprès de la mairie pour le refaire
bon courage, tiens nous au courant car le cas pourrait encore bien se présenter, afin pouvoir renseigner utilement d'autres forumers @+ le spartiate
Tout ce qui ne vous tue pas , vous rend plus fort !!
Merci pour tous ces renseignements. Nous partons dimanche pour New-York, nous ne serons pas en transit, heureusement, et nous allons d'ici-là remuer ciel et terre pour nous rassurer, mais je doute qu'un passeport soit faisable, même en urgence en moins d'une semaine!
Nous avons la petite fiche remise lors de la remise du passeport biométrique; sur celle-ci figure "empreintes: néant". Nous allons l'emmener pour éventuellement la montrer à l'officier d'immigration.
Bonjour,
Nous avons la petite fiche remise lors de la remise du passeport biométrique; sur celle-ci figure "empreintes: néant". Nous allons l'emmener pour éventuellement la montrer à l'officier d'immigration.
A mon avis c'est une mauvaise stratégie : vous êtes de bonne foi, vous n'êtes pas supposés soupçonner ce défaut, point final... Si vous commencez à dire que vous le savez, je pense que ça joue contre vous.
Michel
Nous avons la petite fiche remise lors de la remise du passeport biométrique; sur celle-ci figure "empreintes: néant". Nous allons l'emmener pour éventuellement la montrer à l'officier d'immigration.
A mon avis c'est une mauvaise stratégie : vous êtes de bonne foi, vous n'êtes pas supposés soupçonner ce défaut, point final... Si vous commencez à dire que vous le savez, je pense que ça joue contre vous.
Michel
bonjour, je pense que Michel a raison. N'attirez pas leur attention sur ce défaut de votre passeport, dont vous n'êtes pas responsables. Par contre, ce que je ne comprends pas, c'est pourquoi ces passeports n'ont pas été refaits! Ils vous disent à la mairie que ça n'aura pas de conséquences. Mais peuvent-ils vous le certifier par écrit et s'engager à vous rembourser vos frais de voyage si vous êtes refoulés??? Je trouve votre situation kafkaienne. En cas de problème, la mairie va vous dire quoi? qu'ils n'y peuvent rien? Si, ils pouvaient faire rectifier ce passeport. Quand il y a une erreur, c'est leur problème, pas le vôtre. N'est-il pas possible de voir un élu de votre mairie en urgence, plutot que votre employée de mairie qui n'a pas l'air très concernée? (je sais, c'est les vacances, ça tombe mal...) Marre de ces gens qui vous foutent dans la merde et ensuite se défilent! En tout cas, je croise les doigts pour vous
Erratum: j'avais mal lu le début de ton mail. Donc la mairie ne t'a pas dit qu'il n'y aurait pas de conséquences, c'est pire, elle t'a dit qu'elle ne savait pas répondre à ta question: "ton mari pourra-t-il rentrer aux USA"!!!! je trouve ça encore plus dingue! tu fais faire des passeports pour voyager, ils t'en fournissent avec un défaut et ils ne savent même pas si ça suffira pour entrer aux usa???? Là, moi, j'irai voir un élu ou quelqu'un de responsable pour dire que c'est n'importe quoi!!! Vu comme ils sont tatillons, à la douane américaine, c'est de la folie! Va hurler à la mairie, ce n'est pas normal. Ils ne font pas leur boulot correctement! Ils auraient dû te le refaire tout de suite!
Je suis du même avis la Mairie et ceux qui ont établit le passeport sont les fautifs ils doivent le refaire allez voir un élu le Maire de préférence et exigez un passeport d'urgence a leur frais
Moi je n'aurais pas accepté ce passeport j'aurais demandé qu'ils le refassent en urgence sans demander conseil sur un forum
Moi je n'aurais pas accepté ce passeport j'aurais demandé qu'ils le refassent en urgence sans demander conseil sur un forum
Nous avons eu au téléphone la responsable du service des passeports dans notre (incompétente) mairie. Elle nous affirme que les problèmes techniques sur la puce d'un passeport biométrique ne sont pas de notre responsabilité (mais visiblement pas de la sienne non plus), que nous rentrerons facilement sur le territoire Américain, l'immigration demandera sans doute à mon mari de prendre ses empreintes à l'arrivée, mais rien de plus!
On continue a croiser les doigts...Je vous tiens au courant, mais en attendant, un grand merci à tous pour vos conseils!
P.S.: impossible d'avoir l'ambassades des Etats-Unis au téléphone, nous essayons notre Cie aérienne.
Nous voilà de retour de notre voyage de trois semaines aux Etats-Unis (New-York, Lousiane et Floride).
Nous n'avons rencontré aucuns problèmes avec le passeport biométrique sans empreintes enregistrées de mon mari...Il faut savoir que lors du passage de l'immigration TOUT le monde doit à nouveau saisir ses empreintes, et cette fois de tous les doigts, y compris les pouces, alors que sur un passeport biométrique, doivent figurer deux doigts de chaque main. une photo est également prise systématiquement (les enfants ne sont pas concernés). Le contrôle de l'immigration se fait en famille, et pour notre cas a été très vite expédié, pas de questions précises, mais juste des questions sur les états que nous allions visiter. je m'étais déjà rendu aux Etats-Unis en 1979; 1980 et 1993 et j'ai le souvenir de contrôles beaucoup plus "sérieux", notamment la première fois ou j'étais toute jeune et ou j'avais été entendue toute seule, mes parents n'ayant pas le droit de m'accompagner.. .
De même pour les contrôles de sécurité lors de nos vols (nous avons pris 4 fois l'avion durant ce séjour), les petits contenants de liquide ne sont pas à mettre sous sac plastique, et à l'exception des chaussures qui sont à enlever systématiquement, nous avons trouvé tous les contrôles beaucoup plus légers qu'a Londres (ou nous sommes allés une dizaine de fois ces deux dernières années), qu'a genève, ou même qu'a Lyon.....
En bref un superbe voyage, de très bons souvenirs grâce à de nombreux renseignements glanés sur les forums!
Merci à vous tous
Poupie3
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I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.