First trip to Thailand, what itinerary?
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Hello everyone,

I’m so happy Voyage Forum is back—it helped me plan trips (USA, Canada) a good ten years ago, and I love the quality of the discussions and the forum’s vibe. I’m currently putting together our itinerary for our first trip to Thailand from March 6th to 20th, arriving and departing from Bangkok, and I’d love to hear your thoughts and advice. I haven’t booked hotels or transfers yet. We’re traveling as a couple (ages 56 and 58). Our goal isn’t to "see it all" but to take our time. We love big cities, visiting museums, architecture, soaking up local life, walking, nature, swimming, and a bit of relaxation. Here’s how I’m envisioning the itinerary:

03/06: Departure 03/07: Arrival in Bangkok, night in Ayutthaya 03/08: Day in Ayutthaya, night in Bangkok 03/09: Exploring Bangkok, night in Bangkok 03/10: Exploring Bangkok, night in Bangkok 03/11: Departure for Ko Chang (flight, minibus, taxi?) 03/12: Ko Chang 03/13: Ko Chang 03/14: Ko Chang 03/15: Departure for Ko Kut 03/16: Ko Kut 03/17: Ko Kut 03/18: Return to Bangkok, night in Bangkok 03/19: Bangkok 03/20: Departure at 1:00 AM

What do you think? Is it possible to add Khao Yai National Park to this itinerary and shorten the beach stay without rushing too much? Open to your comments, suggestions, and great tips—thanks in advance!
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
hi, make sure to check the transportation options and if there’s a bus to get to Khao Yai National Park. I went there a long time ago—there wasn’t a regular bus service back then, but there might be one now, possibly from Pak Chong. Also, if you’re hoping to see animals, you’ll need to spend a few days there. Otherwise, the main things to see are waterfalls near the visitor center. It’s very dense tropical forest. There’s a network of trails for walking in the forest (just like Taman Negara in Malaysia). If you really want to see animals and plants, you should hire a guide.
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Hi there,

Yes, if you're okay with shortening the beach time, no problem to include Khao Yai National Park (which needs at least 2 nights). In that case, I’d do the itinerary like this:

- Arrival and 1 night* in Ayutthaya - Express train 71 to Pak Chong (station for Khao Yai N.P., ask your guesthouse** to pick you up there), 2 nights - Ask (again!?!) your guesthouse to take you back to Pak Chong at the minivan stop 21 heading to Bangkok Mo Chit minivan terminal, Bangkok, x night(s).*** - From Ekamai bus terminal, bus to the islands, Koh--- x nights - Return to Bangkok for x night(s).

* 1 night because it’s your choice, but it’s a bit short if your flight arrives after 10 AM.

** Pick one that organizes guided park tours with a wildlife expert. GreenLeaf Guesthouse has a well-deserved good reputation, but there are others.

*** Or, if you're feeling brave, skip the night altogether since minivans leave from Mo Chit for the 9908 to Trat, where you can take a songthaew to the port for the islands. In that case, leave Pak Chong early to arrive at Koh--- roughly 9:30–10 AM later, or around 7:30–8 AM if you spend a night in Trat, which is a nice town.
SI Sissiline ·
Hello, make sure to check the transportation options and if there's a bus to get to Khao Yai National Park. I went there a long time ago—there wasn’t a regular bus service back then, but there might be one now, perhaps from Pak Chong. Also, if you want to see animals, you’ll need to spend a few days there. Otherwise, the main sights are waterfalls near the visitor center. It’s very dense tropical forest. There’s a network of trails for walking in the forest (just like Taman Negara in Malaysia). If you really want to see animals and plants, you should hire a guide.

Thanks, Mathews, for these details about the park. I’m not sure if I’ll keep Khao Yai on my itinerary—it would mean staying 2 nights, which would shorten the rest of my stops. Maybe next time.
SI Sissiline ·
Hello,

Yes, if you're willing to shorten the beach stay, no problem including Khao Yai National Park (which requires at least 2 nights). In that case, I'd do the itinerary like this:

- arrival and 1 night* in Ayutthaya - Express train 71 to Pak Chong (station for Khao Yai N.P., ask your guesthouse** to pick you up there), 2 nights - ask (again!?!) your guesthouse to take you back to Pak Chong at minivan stop 21 heading to Bangkok Mo Chit minivan terminal, Bangkok, x night(s).*** - From Ekamai bus terminal, bus to the islands, Koh--- x nights - return to Bangkok for x night(s).

* 1 night because it's your choice, but it's not much if your flight arrives after 10 AM.

** choose one that organizes park tours with a wildlife guide. GreenLeaf Guesthouse has a well-deserved good reputation, but there are others.

*** or, if you're feeling brave, no night at all since minivans leave from Mo Chit for the 9908 to Trat, where you can take a songthaew to the port for the islands. In that case, leave Pak Chong early to arrive at Koh--- roughly 9:30–10 AM later, or around 7:30–8 AM if you spend a night in Trat, which is a pleasant town.

Good evening Songsam,

Thanks for your reply. In the end, I’m not ready to shorten the beach stay, especially if it means adding a night in Ayutthaya, which I’d like to visit at a relaxed pace. Do you think two full days there is enough? And what do you think about flying to Koh Chang? If we can save some time on transportation, that’s always a plus, right?
SO Songsam Veteran ·
On 12/07 at 8:46 AM:

add Khao Yai Park to this itinerary and shorten the beach stay

On 12/07 at 11:20 PM and 11:39 PM:

I’m not sure about keeping Khao Yai—you’d need to stay 2 nights, which shortens the rest of the stops. (...) I’m not ready to shorten the beach stay after all

??

And for getting to Koh Chang, what do you think about flying?

There’s no airport on Koh Chang—the closest one is in Trat. A 1-hour flight vs. a 4.5–5-hour bus ride, so realistically, you’d only save about 2.5–3 hours at a pretty steep cost of 80 to 100 € one-way. Does that seem worth it to you?
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
hi Sissiline, it's up to you... it's certain that to explore the park, you'll need to spend two days there. It's like a real open-air tropical greenhouse 🙂
SI Sissiline ·
December 7 at 8:46 AM:

add Khao Yai Park to this itinerary and shorten the beach stay

December 7 at 11:20 PM and 11:39 PM:

I'm not sure about keeping Khao Yai—you’d need to stay 2 nights, which shortens the rest of the stops. (...) I’m not ready to shorten the beach stay after all

??

And for getting to Koh Chang, what do you think about flying?

There’s no airport on Koh Chang—the closest is in Trat. A 1-hour flight vs. a 4.5–5-hour bus ride, which realistically only saves you 2.5–3 hours at a non-negligible cost of 80 to 100 € one-way. Does that seem worth it to you?

Thanks Songsam! With one extra night in Ayutthaya and 2 nights in Khao Yai, that only leaves 4 full days for Koh Chang and Koh Kood—too short for my taste. I’ll follow your advice and add an extra night in Ayutthaya. And no, you’re right—we’ll go with the bus.
SI Sissiline ·
Hi Sissiline, it’s up to you... it’s certain that to explore the park you’ll need two days. It’s like a real open-air tropical greenhouse :)

So, that’ll be for a next trip, thanks Mathews.
SO Songsam Veteran ·
In Ayutthaya, you’ll have time to take a boat ride to some sites at sunset (ask your guesthouse to arrange it for you). For example, on the first day if you arrive early enough, you’ll see the ruins bathed in that beautiful late-day light. Then the next day, you can do the classic daytime visit—under a different light that creates a whole new atmosphere, which justifies going back to see the same ruins you saw the day before. It’s a perk that those who only do a day trip from Bangkok miss out on.

Again, I’d recommend heading straight to Ayutthaya as soon as you land (if your flight arrives before 2 p.m., since after that, you’ll hit Bangkok’s rush-hour traffic—best to avoid that after a long flight...).

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