je suis actuellement en Nouvelle Zélande et en novembre je vais a Bali et ensuite avec mon frère nous souhaiterions nous diriger vers la chine avec comme projet de rentrer en France uniquement par le continent. Je voudrais savoir les bon plans sur la chine, ce qu'il faut visiter sur pékin (comment se déplacer et se loger pour le moindre coût?). Et nous voudrions prendre le transsibérien de pékin jusqu’à Moscou. Quels sont les tarifs moyen pour le billet de train? Est il plus intéressant de prendre ces billets au fur et a mesure du voyage? Quels sont les arrêts a ne surtout pas manquer? Comment obtenir le visa pour la Russie? la mongolie? et la chine? quels sont les tarifs? Quels sont les coût des logements pendant les arrêts? quels budgets faut il prévoir ? pour une durée d'environs une trentaine de jours? Merci
Retour en France via la Chine et le Transsibérien
by Joris44
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Bonjour a vous
je suis actuellement en Nouvelle Zélande et en novembre je vais a Bali et ensuite avec mon frère nous souhaiterions nous diriger vers la chine avec comme projet de rentrer en France uniquement par le continent. Je voudrais savoir les bon plans sur la chine, ce qu'il faut visiter sur pékin (comment se déplacer et se loger pour le moindre coût?). Et nous voudrions prendre le transsibérien de pékin jusqu’à Moscou. Quels sont les tarifs moyen pour le billet de train? Est il plus intéressant de prendre ces billets au fur et a mesure du voyage? Quels sont les arrêts a ne surtout pas manquer? Comment obtenir le visa pour la Russie? la mongolie? et la chine? quels sont les tarifs? Quels sont les coût des logements pendant les arrêts? quels budgets faut il prévoir ? pour une durée d'environs une trentaine de jours? Merci
je suis actuellement en Nouvelle Zélande et en novembre je vais a Bali et ensuite avec mon frère nous souhaiterions nous diriger vers la chine avec comme projet de rentrer en France uniquement par le continent. Je voudrais savoir les bon plans sur la chine, ce qu'il faut visiter sur pékin (comment se déplacer et se loger pour le moindre coût?). Et nous voudrions prendre le transsibérien de pékin jusqu’à Moscou. Quels sont les tarifs moyen pour le billet de train? Est il plus intéressant de prendre ces billets au fur et a mesure du voyage? Quels sont les arrêts a ne surtout pas manquer? Comment obtenir le visa pour la Russie? la mongolie? et la chine? quels sont les tarifs? Quels sont les coût des logements pendant les arrêts? quels budgets faut il prévoir ? pour une durée d'environs une trentaine de jours? Merci
Pour le visa mongol, je connais un neo-zelandais qu'il l'a fait a Pekin, mais ca semblait pas facile. Moi je tente de faire le mien a Irkoustk. Il a un site genre visa for mongolia.
POur les prix, va voir sur rzd.ru la compagnie de train russe. Moi j'y ai achete mes billets la veille. Ekateringburg-Irkutsk en 3em classe 4800 roubles. Donc de ulan ude a moscou probbalement autour des 6000-6500 roubles. La 3em classe c'est geniale, c'est la que la vie russe se deroule. Moi je suis parti de Kazan, donc j'ai pas fait vladimir, le vieux novo... (oublie le nom) ou Perm. Ekateringburg est un bon stop pour se degourdir les jambes, mais rien a couper le souffle. Je n'ai pas fait Krasnoyarsk ou Novosibirsk et on m'a dit que Omsk et Tomsk se faisaient en 1 jour. Irkust pour aller au lac baikal est un must.
Sinon je crois que les hotels sont peu cher en mongolie, entre 400 et 600 roubles en Russie sur hostelworld, hostelbooker ou booking.com
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POur les prix, va voir sur rzd.ru la compagnie de train russe. Moi j'y ai achete mes billets la veille. Ekateringburg-Irkutsk en 3em classe 4800 roubles. Donc de ulan ude a moscou probbalement autour des 6000-6500 roubles. La 3em classe c'est geniale, c'est la que la vie russe se deroule. Moi je suis parti de Kazan, donc j'ai pas fait vladimir, le vieux novo... (oublie le nom) ou Perm. Ekateringburg est un bon stop pour se degourdir les jambes, mais rien a couper le souffle. Je n'ai pas fait Krasnoyarsk ou Novosibirsk et on m'a dit que Omsk et Tomsk se faisaient en 1 jour. Irkust pour aller au lac baikal est un must.
Sinon je crois que les hotels sont peu cher en mongolie, entre 400 et 600 roubles en Russie sur hostelworld, hostelbooker ou booking.com
Bonne planification!
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bonjour ^^ tu peux faire ton visa pour la mongolie a pekin en 4 jours ou avec un supplement en une journee; pour les billet de train du transmongolien ou transsiberien faut les acheter direct a pekin a la station de train ou au grand hotel, ya des departs tous les samedi a 7h du matin, sinon possible aussi de prendre un bus a pekin jusqua la frontiere de mongolie ( erlian) et ensuite de prendre le train a erlian jusqua ub ( ulan bator) faire un stop de qq jours puis reprendre le train a ub jusqua irkurtz.... puis jusqua moscou, ensuite a moscou faire le visa pour la bielorrussie c est galere car il faut attendre 8 jours !!! pekin moscou en train c est magique, c est a faire au moins une fois dans sa vie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ un guest house sympa a pekin candy inn ( 5 euros en dortoir) et a ub, ub guest house, pareil 5 euros en dortoir
si ca t interresse je t enverrai les adresses;
bon voyage
sophie
sophie marguery
Bonjour !
Pour ce qui est du visa mongol a Pekin c'est toujours d'actualite ? (d'actualite tres recente s'entend)
Merci !
Joseph
Pour ce qui est du visa mongol a Pekin c'est toujours d'actualite ? (d'actualite tres recente s'entend)
Merci !
Joseph
le visa pour la mongolie je l ai fait a bangkok mais a priori a pekin c est toujours ok;
sophie marguery
suite a mon mesage de juillet.... car je suis retourne a pekin et a ub le mois dernier ... a pekin le candy in n existe plus, et a ub ya un guest house tres sympa c est le golden gobi, il est dans le centre de ub;
de pekin prendre le bus de nuit jusqua erlian ( frontiere mongol) puis en mongolie a zaminhudd ( juste a 2 km de la frontiere) prendre le train pour ulan bator; cela revient a 25 euros pekin erlian et env 15 euros zamihud ulan bator en train couchette;
sophie marguery
Salut Bambou !
Comme je tiens ABSOLUMENT a revenir sans un seul avion je suis un peu inquiet... penses-tu qu'il soit plus facile d'obtenir le visa mongol a BKK ?
D'autre part sais-tu ou obtenir un visa russe facile ? Thailande, Chine, Japon, Mongolie ?
Merci
Comme je tiens ABSOLUMENT a revenir sans un seul avion je suis un peu inquiet... penses-tu qu'il soit plus facile d'obtenir le visa mongol a BKK ?
D'autre part sais-tu ou obtenir un visa russe facile ? Thailande, Chine, Japon, Mongolie ?
Merci
le visa mongol a bangkok oui pas de probleme , par contre le visa russe plus dur mais je l ai obtenue car je suis residente en thailande; ( tu peux contacter l ambassade russe a bangkok par mail avant) tu peux avoir aussi ton visa mongol a pekin; par contre renseigne toi pour le visa pour passer par la bielorussie car sinon faut attendre 8 jours le visa a moscou !!
sophie marguery
Salut Kargo,
Avec un nom pareil as-tu songé a un voyage en... Cargo? :-)
Depuis l'Asie il y a pas mal de compagnies qui desservent l'Europe (principalement depuis la chine, la Malaisie ou Singapour). Tu gagneras le temps a éviter de courir d'ambassades en ambassades. Perso c'est la solution que j'ai retenue pour finir mon tour du monde en 2014: Port Kelang > Southampton a bord du CMA CGM Marco Polo, 3 semaines via le canal de Suez.
Après, je dis ca, mais j'ai fait Paris > Pékin en train ya 3 ans et c'était indeed magique... Juste la partie préparation avec tous ces visas a obtenir qui était vraiment ennuyante.
Quoi que tu fasses, bon courage & happy travels !
Après, je dis ca, mais j'ai fait Paris > Pékin en train ya 3 ans et c'était indeed magique... Juste la partie préparation avec tous ces visas a obtenir qui était vraiment ennuyante.
Quoi que tu fasses, bon courage & happy travels !
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Salut !
Bien sur que j'y ai pense ;-) : Le Havre - Bombay sur le CMA-CGM Coral en 2011
Par contre a 100 eur/jour contre 15 eur/jour pas voie terrestre...
Joseph
Bien sur que j'y ai pense ;-) : Le Havre - Bombay sur le CMA-CGM Coral en 2011
Par contre a 100 eur/jour contre 15 eur/jour pas voie terrestre...
Joseph
Ah ça fait plaisir de lire des messages comme ça, pas d avion pour moi non plus ce qui m ouvre finalement a vivre des voyages sur le long cours et c est juste savoureux !
L experience en cargo fut mythique, meme apres 24 jours de traversée je voulais pas debarquer !
Je rentre maintenant en train, bus, cheval, moto...je suis a beijing là et serai en Mongolie dans qls jours.
Si vous avez des conseils pour le trajet retour je suis preneuse, notamment la portion oulan bator-irkourtz (arrêt au baika lqls jours), puis irkourtz-Moscou (il doit exister pls trains). De Moscou l itineraire passerait par les pays baltes, un Moscou-vilnius ça doit se faire.
Si vous avez desinfos ou bons plans ou blogs n hesitez pas !
Mes infos de route : pas de soucis pour les visas laos (a la frontière)-chine (a Vientiane)-Mongolie (a Pékin)... pour le russe a voir comment ça se passe a oulan bator, chaque chose en son temps.
Xié xié🙂
Si vous avez desinfos ou bons plans ou blogs n hesitez pas !
Mes infos de route : pas de soucis pour les visas laos (a la frontière)-chine (a Vientiane)-Mongolie (a Pékin)... pour le russe a voir comment ça se passe a oulan bator, chaque chose en son temps.
Xié xié🙂
"Impose ta chance, serre ton bonheur, va vers ton risque"
salut pour ne pas payer le visa pour la bielorussie il y a 1 autocar euroline qui fait moscou paris ou le retour en train de moscou vers l un des pays baltes puis bus ou train vers varsovie et berlin etc .
La simplicite c est de ne pas passer par la bielorussie.
A ouland bator j avais été recupere a la gare par nassan tour c est 1 dame chinoise tres serviable et qui a sa guesthousse pas tres loin de la gare , elle peut vous aider pour acheter vos billets de train ou vous conduire ds le gobi, moi je n ai que des eloges a ecrire sur cette dame bon voyage maicob
bonjour,
je viens de chercher sur le site euroline paris/moscou mais pas trouvé est tu sûr que cette ligne de bus existe encore?? et si oui combien à peu pres ça coute?
merci
Merci pour vos reponses.
Pour le bus Moscou-Paris avec eurolines, quand je m etais renseignée il y a un an, la ligne avait été suspendue, peubde chances que ça ait changé depuis. Mais de bus local en bus local on parvient toujours a destination, il s agit de ne pas être trop pressé par le temps. Hier, dans mon trip "je suuuurkiffe le bateau", je cherchais pour faire riga-rostock ?? mais pas eu le temps de mieux etudier le truc. Quelqu'un en sait quelque chose ?
Je pars vers Erlian (frontière Chine-Mongolie) dans qls heures. Transiberien trop cher sur cette portion, obligée de couper la poire en 2 jusqu'à Ulan Bator...rrr... mais comme a chaque frontière, ça va etre une expérience ! Si je peux me permettre un conseil de voyageur : venez en Chine, c est vraiment un pays plein de surprises, que des bonnes pour ma part, qu il ne faut pas rater !
A bientot au fil des conversations
Aurelie
Pour le bus Moscou-Paris avec eurolines, quand je m etais renseignée il y a un an, la ligne avait été suspendue, peubde chances que ça ait changé depuis. Mais de bus local en bus local on parvient toujours a destination, il s agit de ne pas être trop pressé par le temps. Hier, dans mon trip "je suuuurkiffe le bateau", je cherchais pour faire riga-rostock ?? mais pas eu le temps de mieux etudier le truc. Quelqu'un en sait quelque chose ?
Je pars vers Erlian (frontière Chine-Mongolie) dans qls heures. Transiberien trop cher sur cette portion, obligée de couper la poire en 2 jusqu'à Ulan Bator...rrr... mais comme a chaque frontière, ça va etre une expérience ! Si je peux me permettre un conseil de voyageur : venez en Chine, c est vraiment un pays plein de surprises, que des bonnes pour ma part, qu il ne faut pas rater !
A bientot au fil des conversations
Aurelie
"Impose ta chance, serre ton bonheur, va vers ton risque"
salut! merci de ta reponse, je peut pas trop t'aider pour ma part mais sur le blog "jiraioutuiras.com" ils ont affichés un plan de toutes les lignes du transmongolien, siberien et autre si ça peut t'etre utile
bon voyage à toi!
je cherchais pour faire riga-rostock ?? mais pas eu le temps de mieux etudier le truc.
Quelqu'un en sait quelque chose ?
je ne sais pas si cette liaison est desservie. De Klaipeda, il y des des ferrys pour l'Allemagne ; je ne me souviens plus s'ils vont à Rostock, Lübeck, Kiel, ou les 3.
je ne sais pas si cette liaison est desservie. De Klaipeda, il y des des ferrys pour l'Allemagne ; je ne me souviens plus s'ils vont à Rostock, Lübeck, Kiel, ou les 3.
salut, desole d avoir donne 1 info qui n exciste plus et qui est confirmee par 1autre voyageur bon voyage maicob
pas de pb
idem bon futur voyage à toi
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Hi there,
I’m a bit late to be worrying about this, but hopefully someone can help me before I leave.
Tomorrow afternoon, I arrive at Lyon Part-Dieu on the TGV at 5:50 PM and take the TER to Mâcon at 6:16 PM. Is a 26-minute transfer doable? Are the TGV and TER on the same departure board? And are they on the same platforms too?
I’ve been to Lyon before but never had to make a connection after arriving.
Thanks
Hi there,
I can’t seem to complete the payment for my trip on the IRCTC (Indian Railways) site. No matter which payment method I choose, my Visa card isn’t accepted. Has anyone here managed to do it, and if so, could you share the method you used? Thanks in advance! Charlie
I can’t seem to complete the payment for my trip on the IRCTC (Indian Railways) site. No matter which payment method I choose, my Visa card isn’t accepted. Has anyone here managed to do it, and if so, could you share the method you used? Thanks in advance! Charlie
Hello,
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region. After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani? Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Thanks for your tips!
Fred
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region. After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani? Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Thanks for your tips!
Fred
Hi! I arrive in Vancouver on August 24, 2025, and I’m staying until Friday, August 29, 2025—the day I take *The Canadian* train to Toronto.
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
Hi
Have any of you booked tickets through rail.ninja?
Hi there,
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
Hi there,
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Thanks in advance! 😊
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)






