Suggestions pour voyage au Portugal
by Crocus1
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour, j'aimerais passer probablement 1 semaine et demi au Portugal durant la dernière semaine de juillet et la première du mois d'août 2016. Je prévoie séjourner quelques jours dans la capitale Lisbonne puis visiter d'autres régions du pays. Que me suggérez-vous comme visites et comme itinéraire? Je n'ai jamais loué un véhicule en voyage. Est-ce que c'est ce que vous me conseillez ou est-il préférable de voyager par autobus ou train ? Merci :)
Crocus
Bonjour Nathalie,
Qu'aimez vous faire en voyage?visiter?Cela dépend de vos centres d’intérêts! C'est votre premier voyage au Portugal? vous aimez prendre votre temps?
En 10 jours, vous pouvez visiter Lisbonne + Sintra, puis prendre le train pour visiter Porto + vallée du Douro, en prenant votre temps. Sinon, visiter Lisbonne et ces alentours, et faire quelques arrêts entre Lisbonne et Porto.
Le train est vraiment un bon moyen pour circuler entre les différentes villes, sur le site vous pouvez voir les horaires et les prix. Si vous voulez aller dans de plus petites villes (l'option numéro2), le choix d'une location sera plus judicieuse. Cela dépendra des arrêts que vous souhaitez faire. Sachant que pour Lisbonne il faut 4 jours mini, Sintra 1 journée entière mini, Porto 2voir 3 journées.
N'hésitez pas à me préciser vos goûts j'essaierais de mieux vous aider :)
Cécilia Voyageurs Gourmands
Qu'aimez vous faire en voyage?visiter?Cela dépend de vos centres d’intérêts! C'est votre premier voyage au Portugal? vous aimez prendre votre temps?
En 10 jours, vous pouvez visiter Lisbonne + Sintra, puis prendre le train pour visiter Porto + vallée du Douro, en prenant votre temps. Sinon, visiter Lisbonne et ces alentours, et faire quelques arrêts entre Lisbonne et Porto.
Le train est vraiment un bon moyen pour circuler entre les différentes villes, sur le site vous pouvez voir les horaires et les prix. Si vous voulez aller dans de plus petites villes (l'option numéro2), le choix d'une location sera plus judicieuse. Cela dépendra des arrêts que vous souhaitez faire. Sachant que pour Lisbonne il faut 4 jours mini, Sintra 1 journée entière mini, Porto 2voir 3 journées.
N'hésitez pas à me préciser vos goûts j'essaierais de mieux vous aider :)
Cécilia Voyageurs Gourmands
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https://voyageursgourmands.fr
Bonjour Cécilia,
En voyage, j'aime découvrir la culture, l'histoire, l'architecture, ainsi que les beaux paysages.
J'ai plusieurs questions : Je suis allée consulter le site quant aux trajets de train. Je n'ai pu trouver s'il est possible de réserver les billets d'avance. Savez-vous ce qu'il en est ?
Quel est l'état des routes au Portugal ? Avez-vous une compagnie de location de voiture à me suggérer ?
Est-ce que Lisbonne et Porto se visitent bien à pied en prenant au besoin le transport en commun ou un taxi ? Sinon, est-ce préférable d'avoir un véhicule automobile ? Dans le choix de mes hôtels pour ces deux villes, avez-vous des quartiers à me suggérer qui soient à proximité de la majeure partie des attractions principales ?
Merci à l'avance !
En voyage, j'aime découvrir la culture, l'histoire, l'architecture, ainsi que les beaux paysages.
J'ai plusieurs questions : Je suis allée consulter le site quant aux trajets de train. Je n'ai pu trouver s'il est possible de réserver les billets d'avance. Savez-vous ce qu'il en est ?
Quel est l'état des routes au Portugal ? Avez-vous une compagnie de location de voiture à me suggérer ?
Est-ce que Lisbonne et Porto se visitent bien à pied en prenant au besoin le transport en commun ou un taxi ? Sinon, est-ce préférable d'avoir un véhicule automobile ? Dans le choix de mes hôtels pour ces deux villes, avez-vous des quartiers à me suggérer qui soient à proximité de la majeure partie des attractions principales ?
Merci à l'avance !
Crocus
Vos goûts semblent ressembler aux nôtres, alors,
10 jours, il sera un peu difficile de faire le nord, le sud, Lisbonne, etc.
Je laisserais probablement tomber Porto pour me concentrer entre le nord de Lisbonne, le sud et l'est.
Lisbonne pour 3 -4 nuit, vous pouvez demeurer dans les quartiers baixa ou bairro alto. Pas besoin de de voiture dans Lisbonne. Se fait à pied ou avec le métro, qui est très bien développé. Ne manquez pas Sintra à 30 minutes. La vieille petite ville est sympa et le palais de Pena est à voir.
Au nord, je passerais un peu de temps à Obidos, joli village médiéval, touristique, mais à voir tout de même. Le couvent de Tomar et l'extraordinaire monastère de Bathala sont à ne pas manquer
Au sud, je passerais un peu de temps à Lagos qui est sympa. On a fait du Kayak à Ponte da piedade(google ce nom), dans un décor extraordinaire.
De là j'en profiterais pour voir la point sud ouest du pied, cabo sao vincente, un très beau site. Je remonterais ensuite vers Evora et sa région.
Evora est très joli, a beaucoup d'histoire. Et autour, les superbes villages blancs perchés de Monsaraz et Marvao sont à voir, surtout si vous aimez l'histoire et les beaux paysages.
En gros je louerais une voiture en partant de Lisbonne, descendrais vers le sud(Lagos)pour 2-3 nuits, coucherait ensuite autour d'Évora pour 2-3 nuits et coucherais ensuite autour d'Obidos pour 2-3 nuits, ce qui remplit vos 10 jours, et plus, et vous rammène près de Lisbonne pour votre retour.
Pour l'auto allez voir des sites comme europauto et Hertz
N'hésitez pas si vous avez besoin de precisions.
Bonjour Nathalie,
Oui bien sur vous pouvez acheter les billets en avance, après je pense qu'il y a une limite de quelques mois. En fonction du trajet voulu, il y a vraiment beaucoup de train dans la journée donc à priori pas de problème.
Les routes sont très bien au Portugal, dans l'intérieur du pays, elles sont plus sinueuses, mais en général en bon état. Je n'ai pas de préférence d'agence de location. J'utilise un comparateur (autoescape), et je prend le tarif le plus avantageux. Attention aux frais de drop off (récupérer le véhicule dans une ville et le laisser dans une autre), ils peuvent être très élevés au Portugal.
Absolument pas besoin de l'auto pour Porto, ni Lisbonne, ni même Sintra d'ailleurs, les transports en communs suffisent + le train pour Sintra.
Cécilia
Oui bien sur vous pouvez acheter les billets en avance, après je pense qu'il y a une limite de quelques mois. En fonction du trajet voulu, il y a vraiment beaucoup de train dans la journée donc à priori pas de problème.
Les routes sont très bien au Portugal, dans l'intérieur du pays, elles sont plus sinueuses, mais en général en bon état. Je n'ai pas de préférence d'agence de location. J'utilise un comparateur (autoescape), et je prend le tarif le plus avantageux. Attention aux frais de drop off (récupérer le véhicule dans une ville et le laisser dans une autre), ils peuvent être très élevés au Portugal.
Absolument pas besoin de l'auto pour Porto, ni Lisbonne, ni même Sintra d'ailleurs, les transports en communs suffisent + le train pour Sintra.
Cécilia
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https://voyageursgourmands.fr
Bonjour Cécilia,
Merci pour tous ces précieux conseils ! L'itineraire proposé semble intéressant bien que se soit malheureux que Porto n'en fasse partie. Afin de planifier notre budget de voyage à mon conjoint et moi pouvez-vous me dire comment est le coût de la vie au Portugal et quels seraient les souvenirs à rapporter ? Merci encore !
Merci pour tous ces précieux conseils ! L'itineraire proposé semble intéressant bien que se soit malheureux que Porto n'en fasse partie. Afin de planifier notre budget de voyage à mon conjoint et moi pouvez-vous me dire comment est le coût de la vie au Portugal et quels seraient les souvenirs à rapporter ? Merci encore !
Crocus
N'hésitez pas pour d'autres questions.🙂
Salut Nathalie,
Bien sur que vous pouvez inclure Porto, mais cela sera au dépend d'autres villes/villages/centre d'interêts.... En peu de temps il faut faire des choix... Si Porto vous tiens vraiment à coeur, pourquoi ne pas combiner Lisbonne et Porto?
Concernant le cout de la vie je ne peux pas trop vous aider concernant les hébergements. Les transports en commun coûte bien sur moins cher que la location d'une auto (+ péages + essence), mais si vous ne visiter "que" Porto et Lisbonne, la voiture ne sera pas nécessaire. Concernant l'alimentation, comptez vous manger exclusivement en restaurant? vous pouvez trouver des petits restau, où l'on sert le "plat du jour", et celui ci vient généralement en formule, il peut varié de 5€ à 10€ (grand max, et dans des lieux très touristiques). Dans les restaurants "normaux" il faut compter plus dans les 10€ le plat uniquement.
Comme souvenir vous pouvez ramener du Porto, ou des pasteis de nata. Sinon il y a beaucoup de vaisselle typique portugaise, voir même juste un "azulejo" typique portugais également.
Cécilia Voyageurs Gourmands
Bien sur que vous pouvez inclure Porto, mais cela sera au dépend d'autres villes/villages/centre d'interêts.... En peu de temps il faut faire des choix... Si Porto vous tiens vraiment à coeur, pourquoi ne pas combiner Lisbonne et Porto?
Concernant le cout de la vie je ne peux pas trop vous aider concernant les hébergements. Les transports en commun coûte bien sur moins cher que la location d'une auto (+ péages + essence), mais si vous ne visiter "que" Porto et Lisbonne, la voiture ne sera pas nécessaire. Concernant l'alimentation, comptez vous manger exclusivement en restaurant? vous pouvez trouver des petits restau, où l'on sert le "plat du jour", et celui ci vient généralement en formule, il peut varié de 5€ à 10€ (grand max, et dans des lieux très touristiques). Dans les restaurants "normaux" il faut compter plus dans les 10€ le plat uniquement.
Comme souvenir vous pouvez ramener du Porto, ou des pasteis de nata. Sinon il y a beaucoup de vaisselle typique portugaise, voir même juste un "azulejo" typique portugais également.
Cécilia Voyageurs Gourmands
Très bonne connaissance du Portugal
Voyages effectués: Tromso, Londres, Italie, Prague, Budapest, Vienne, Suisse, Istanbul, Croatie; Brésil (4 mois) ; Punta Cana ; NYCx2 ; Algérie ; Cuba; Martinique
https://voyageursgourmands.fr
Re-bonjour Cecilia,
je me rend bien compte qu'on ne pourra pas tout voir en 12 jours !
Une seule journée, est-ce suffisant pour visiter certains sites d'intérêt ? Si oui, lesquels me suggérez-vous ?
Est-ce qu'un detour à Nazaré en vaut la peine selon vous afin d'y voir le port de pêche et le marché aux poissons ? Je sais qu'il s'agit également d'une station balnéaire, mais ce n'est pas ce qui m'intéresse.
Aussi, combien de jours me suggérez-vous pour les visites des sites suivants, sans avoir à courir : monastère d'Alcobaça, monastère de Bathala, église de Santa Trindade à Fatima et le couvent de Cristo à Tomar?
Merci à l'avance !
je me rend bien compte qu'on ne pourra pas tout voir en 12 jours !
Une seule journée, est-ce suffisant pour visiter certains sites d'intérêt ? Si oui, lesquels me suggérez-vous ?
Est-ce qu'un detour à Nazaré en vaut la peine selon vous afin d'y voir le port de pêche et le marché aux poissons ? Je sais qu'il s'agit également d'une station balnéaire, mais ce n'est pas ce qui m'intéresse.
Aussi, combien de jours me suggérez-vous pour les visites des sites suivants, sans avoir à courir : monastère d'Alcobaça, monastère de Bathala, église de Santa Trindade à Fatima et le couvent de Cristo à Tomar?
Merci à l'avance !
Crocus
Bonjour,
Je vous donne mon avis, même si tout cela est éminemment subjectif 🙂
Vous pouvez faire Alcobaça et Batalha le même jour. Pensez peut-être à Conimbringa si les très vieilles ruines vous tentent. Péniche me semble tout à fait dispensable, en tout cas pour un séjour comme le vôtre.
Je vous donne mon avis, même si tout cela est éminemment subjectif 🙂
Vous pouvez faire Alcobaça et Batalha le même jour. Pensez peut-être à Conimbringa si les très vieilles ruines vous tentent. Péniche me semble tout à fait dispensable, en tout cas pour un séjour comme le vôtre.
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I need cheap flights departing from Toulouse and affordable accommodation for 4 people.
What do you recommend?
Best regards,
Hi everyone,
I’d love to get your thoughts on the following itinerary (late May). I like to take my time in ruins and museums, and beaches don’t interest me. I’ll be staying in hostels and using public transport. Do you see any major omissions or things that aren’t worth it? Thanks!
Day 1: Arrival in CATANIA Day 2: Catania – visit (fish market, cathedral, Biscarri Palace, etc.) Day 3: Mount Etna (day trip)
Day 4: Morning trip to TAORMINA, visit the town Day 5: Alcantara Gorge (day trip) + more time in Taormina
Day 6: Trip to SYRACUSE, visit Ortigia Day 7: Ortigia Day 8: NOTO (day trip) (or another Baroque town?) Day 9: Syracuse Archaeological Park + more time in Ortigia (or leave for Enna?)
Day 10: Transport via Enna? TO BE RESOLVED (long, 2 or 3 changes, limited accommodation in Enna...)
Day 11: AGRIGENTO: town and Scala dei Turchi (optional) Day 12: Valley of the Temples + archaeological museum
Day 13: Departure for TRAPANI (4h), afternoon: town (+ salt flats?) Day 14: Segesta (day trip) + town/Erice Day 15: Monte Cofano Nature Reserve (hike + summit) (day trip) Day 16: Zingaro Nature Park (coastal route out, ridge route back) (day trip)
Day 17: Departure for the AEGADIAN ISLANDS: Levanzo and Favignana (bike), overnight if possible Day 18: Egadi Islands
Day 19: Departure for PALERMO + first visits Day 20: The city Day 21: The city (Monreale?) Day 22: Options: - Capo Gallo hike (3.5h round trip) (via Mondello) - Cefalù (45 min by train) Day 23: Return flight
I’d love to get your thoughts on the following itinerary (late May). I like to take my time in ruins and museums, and beaches don’t interest me. I’ll be staying in hostels and using public transport. Do you see any major omissions or things that aren’t worth it? Thanks!
Day 1: Arrival in CATANIA Day 2: Catania – visit (fish market, cathedral, Biscarri Palace, etc.) Day 3: Mount Etna (day trip)
Day 4: Morning trip to TAORMINA, visit the town Day 5: Alcantara Gorge (day trip) + more time in Taormina
Day 6: Trip to SYRACUSE, visit Ortigia Day 7: Ortigia Day 8: NOTO (day trip) (or another Baroque town?) Day 9: Syracuse Archaeological Park + more time in Ortigia (or leave for Enna?)
Day 10: Transport via Enna? TO BE RESOLVED (long, 2 or 3 changes, limited accommodation in Enna...)
Day 11: AGRIGENTO: town and Scala dei Turchi (optional) Day 12: Valley of the Temples + archaeological museum
Day 13: Departure for TRAPANI (4h), afternoon: town (+ salt flats?) Day 14: Segesta (day trip) + town/Erice Day 15: Monte Cofano Nature Reserve (hike + summit) (day trip) Day 16: Zingaro Nature Park (coastal route out, ridge route back) (day trip)
Day 17: Departure for the AEGADIAN ISLANDS: Levanzo and Favignana (bike), overnight if possible Day 18: Egadi Islands
Day 19: Departure for PALERMO + first visits Day 20: The city Day 21: The city (Monreale?) Day 22: Options: - Capo Gallo hike (3.5h round trip) (via Mondello) - Cefalù (45 min by train) Day 23: Return flight
Hello,
We’re heading to Bavaria from May 13 to 23, with a side trip to Austria.
Here’s our itinerary:
Day 1: Brussels-Munich
Day 2: Munich
Day 3: Munich and departure for Salzburg
We’ll be staying three nights in Salzburg.
Then we’ll head to Garmisch-Partenkirchen, where we’ll stay for five nights.
Visiting Munich and Salzburg isn’t too tricky.
Once in Garmisch, we’re planning a day in Innsbruck, a day for Neuschwanstein Castle, and the rest is still up in the air.
What’s really got me stumped is that we’d love to see Königssee Lake—everyone says it’s a must-see.
We’d also like to visit the Eagle’s Nest (Kehlsteinhaus), where the landscapes are supposedly stunning.
This would either be a round trip while we’re in Salzburg or on the way between Salzburg and Garmisch, but I’m guessing it’s impossible to do the drive from Salzburg to Garmisch, the Eagle’s Nest, *and* Königssee Lake all in one day.
Plus, the Alpine route between Salzburg and Garmisch seems prettier than the highway.
But honestly, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with the planning.
We should’ve added a stop between Salzburg and Garmisch, but the hotels are already booked.
Thanks for any advice on the itinerary and visits!
Another question: How far in advance should we book Neuschwanstein, Königssee, and the Eagle’s Nest in May?
Thanks so much in advance for your tips and ideas!
hi
I’ll be in Copenhagen this coming May for a few days.
Do you have any recommendations for things to visit?
If I had to pick one castle to visit, which one would it be?
I’m torn between: Rosenborg Castle, Amalienborg Palace, or Frederiksborg and Charlottenborg Palaces
Any suggestions?
Thanks
I’ll be in Copenhagen this coming May for a few days.
Do you have any recommendations for things to visit?
If I had to pick one castle to visit, which one would it be?
I’m torn between: Rosenborg Castle, Amalienborg Palace, or Frederiksborg and Charlottenborg Palaces
Any suggestions?
Thanks
hi
I’m wondering if anyone can give me some info on how to get from Mallorca to Menorca.
Since flights are cheaper to Mallorca, I’d like to go that way.
Thanks so much for your help!
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Thanks to the community for your suggestions!
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Thanks to the community for your suggestions!
Hi there, we’re a couple of bikers planning a trip to Majorca in June 2026, and I’d love to organize a half-day or full-day boat or catamaran outing. Which coast do you think is the nicest for this, and do you have any suggestions or personal experiences to share? Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’ll be staying in London for 3 nights in September.
Could you recommend a hotel near a tube station, at a good price, with fairly spacious rooms?
Thanks! 🌸
We’ll be staying in London for 3 nights in September.
Could you recommend a hotel near a tube station, at a good price, with fairly spacious rooms?
Thanks! 🌸
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there are any works in progress at Torcello, and if so, what type of works and how long they’re expected to last?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’m sharing my draft itinerary with you because I just booked our flight tickets, and I feel like it’s quite late in the season. So, I’d like to be sure about my stops before reserving the hotels. I’ll be traveling alone with my two adult children. We want to prioritize outdoor walks, avoid too many indoor visits (both for budget and preference), and not spend too much time on the road.
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions: Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential... Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day? Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit. Have a great day, everyone! Christine
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions: Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential... Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day? Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit. Have a great day, everyone! Christine
Hello,
we’re a couple planning a 2-week road trip this August, with a must-stop (about 3 days on Skye). Any route suggestions? Hotel recommendations? Photo spots?
Hello,
My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in September 2026. We’ll be flying from Montreal to London, where we’ll spend three nights. After that, we’ll head to Dublin for a few days and take trains to visit the main attractions. Our ideal plan would be to choose hotels near train stations and take tours to the interesting spots. Would 8 days in Ireland be enough for this kind of trip?
My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in September 2026. We’ll be flying from Montreal to London, where we’ll spend three nights. After that, we’ll head to Dublin for a few days and take trains to visit the main attractions. Our ideal plan would be to choose hotels near train stations and take tours to the interesting spots. Would 8 days in Ireland be enough for this kind of trip?
Hi there,
We’re a group of 4 heading out at the end of June for 11 days. I’m just starting my research. We’ll be renting a regular car, not a 4x4. I’m not finding a ton of info on the North. Would love your take on all those kilometers—is there a route that lets us cut out a section? Thanks
We’re a group of 4 heading out at the end of June for 11 days. I’m just starting my research. We’ll be renting a regular car, not a 4x4. I’m not finding a ton of info on the North. Would love your take on all those kilometers—is there a route that lets us cut out a section? Thanks