Has overtourism changed your relationship with travel?
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Good evening! 🙂,

I’m paraphrasing the title of discussions that were popping up back in 2020. Back then, the obstacles were travel restrictions and all sorts of often very arbitrary "health" rules. Today, it feels like we’re facing an epidemic of wanderlust that’s piling up in certain places—places that keep expanding. Places that end up feeling like wallpaper, just part of the scenery, more or less exotic, since the people, the dominant crowd, are always the same. And they’re especially overwhelming in limited spaces like villages, museums, and other remarkable sites.

Personally, it tends to send my cortisol levels through the roof, leading to desperate attempts to salvage what I can (the stress when I saw a travel journal about eastern Crete—then, phew, at least this little piece of old Greece hasn’t been exposed yet. Maybe it’ll survive a little longer). So, no more weekends in beautiful European cities. So, adjusted visiting hours, but that’s not always enough (I’ll still have to say goodbye to Caravaggio’s *Madeleine* since I can’t have a quiet moment with her anymore, even late in the day). So, outright giving up: I’ll never see Machu Picchu. Too late. So, shifting travel dates to minimize the damage (Uzbekistan was originally planned for Easter—with April 24th and May 1st to limit vacation days—but the anxiety of tourist crowds during that mild climate period, with few days off, led me to reschedule the trip for winter. Short days and possible rain are a thousand times better).

Avoiding crowds has become a fundamental criterion for choosing destinations and timing.

And you? Are you able to tune out this identical crowd everywhere, or has it changed your relationship with travel/tourism?

Catherine
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
Good evening,

it seems we’re facing an epidemic of accumulated restlessness in certain places

In certain places, indeed.

It’s absolutely certain, for example, that I will NEVER set foot in the Cinque Terre, which I don’t know and will therefore never get to know. That won’t stop me from living my life...

On the other hand, I’m increasingly seeking out places a little off the beaten tourist track. That was the case last September in northern Greece. In Thessaloniki, during the international fair and over a weekend: almost no one at the Museum of Byzantine Civilization, the Archaeological Museum, the Rotunda, or the Citadel. A few more people, but we still weren’t stepping on each other’s toes, at the Royal Tombs Museum in Vergina. These museums have nothing to envy those in Athens.

At Lake Prespa, on the Hellenic-Albanian-North Macedonian border: absolutely no one in this haven of serenity. The same went for the winding, steep roads of the Tzoumerka massif. It was a bit busier in the Zagori region and Ioannina, but not much. Not to mention the beautiful lakeside town of Kastoria or the small town of Siasista, rarely visited despite their rich heritage of Byzantine churches and old mansions (archondika), where we were the only visitors...

It’s true that when we wanted to revisit Meteora, the contrast was brutal—but we knew that... However, we found peace again in the mountains around Grevena, which has preserved many old stone bridges.

So happy to have visited Rome, Pompeii, Santorini, and other places that have since become unbearably crowded, long before the big rush! Probably the advantage of being born early enough in the last century!
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Hello again,

Norman I am, Norman I’ll stay... So yes and no...

I was lucky enough to start traveling at a time when only Westerners from the Western bloc had the financial means—and the permission—to do so.

Then, some countries freed themselves from their shackles, and certain dictatorships became more lenient about their citizens' freedom of movement.

At the same time, a middle class emerged here and there, and the cost of travel became more affordable—even ridiculously so, with tickets as low as 19 €.

The final blow came with the digital revolution, which gave us access to the world in just one click. The icing on the cake? Social media woke up the sheep that lies dormant in each of us.

There’s the good and the not-so-good...

July, August, all school holidays, but also Chinese New Year or any other global holiday period are now to be avoided.

Especially if the destination requires no physical effort or comfort sacrifices.

Off-season is the only time left to experience places as they were before (during peak season...).

But most of all, there are still all the unexplored destinations.

If you type a place into a search engine and it stalls or doesn’t offer much, that’s a good sign. If Get Your Guide pops up, it’s over...

There was a window for tranquility: 2020–2021. Not necessarily a time we’d want to relive...

Dictatorships like North Korea are also preserved lands. Hopefully, they won’t stay that way...
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Good evening Michel,

In certain places, precisely.

Those places do tend to spread, though. Milan is a great example—before COVID, tourists were almost invisible there, absorbed by the city. Now you really notice them. Sure, it’s nowhere near the disasters of Rome, or even worse, Florence, Venice, etc. (I wonder if I could list half of Italy as heavily affected areas😕), but it’s already hit.

It’s absolutely certain, for example, that I will NEVER set foot in the Cinque Terre, which I don’t know and will never know. That won’t stop me from living...

Yes. It’s probably easier to say you’ll never visit a supposedly beautiful place you don’t know and have no connection to than to bury in memory—then pretend they no longer exist elsewhere—places/atmospheres you deeply loved (Rome, in my case).

Ah! In my strategies for adapting to overtourism, I should add to the list from my first message: never, ever, *ever* share online about places that aren’t yet overrun. So I won’t say anything about the route you mentioned, which I did in July 2011 in perfect tranquility.

Catherine
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
never, ever, under any circumstances, post online about places that aren’t overrun yet.

You could talk about them without ever naming them.
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
Hi Catherine,

Milan is a great example—before COVID, tourists were almost invisible there, absorbed by the city. Now you really see them.

Oh no! We’re planning a trip as soon as the rail line is back up, maybe in the spring... What about Mantua? Verona?
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TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

Not really, but we’re early risers, and that almost always works in our favor. Plus, we love walking—lots of tourists stick close to the viewpoints and don’t walk much, if at all. We’ve even found ourselves alone at the Grand Canyon in the U.S. 🙂

It’s a lot trickier when visiting museums or monuments with limited opening hours. I have horrible memories of our visits to the Vatican Museum, Carcassonne, and Mont Saint-Michel. For the latter, we went back in 2021 at opening time, outside school holidays, and on a weekday. It was busy, but it didn’t feel overwhelming.

COVID actually wasn’t so bad for visiting places that are normally overcrowded. 😉
TI Ticapi Globetrotter ·
It’s absolutely certain, for example, that I will NEVER set foot in Cinque Terre, which I don’t know and will therefore never know. That won’t stop me from living...

We went there in October 2020—it was perfect. 🙂 The only downside was the mandatory mask-wearing. I have to admit we didn’t wear them during the hikes.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Good evening Catherine,

Milan is a great example—before COVID, tourists were almost invisible there, absorbed by the city. Now you really see them.

Oh no! We’re planning a trip there as soon as the rail line is back up, maybe in the spring... What about Mantua? Verona?

We’ll go to Verona someday, just the two of us 😎 🙂
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
Hello,

We went there in October 2020, it was perfect

Yes, but the period was very unusual, if I remember correctly...

Plus, we love walking—lots of tourists stay near the viewpoints and don’t walk much, if at all.

Same for us, since we’re lucky enough to still be in pretty good shape for our age.

That’s the case with the trip to Greece I mentioned earlier, during which we did several hikes. Near Grevena, one of the most beautiful stone bridges—very common in the area—was, according to my info, only accessible on foot via a paved mule track once used by villagers. Along the way, we only crossed paths with one other couple of hikers, no younger than us. When we reached the bottom of the gorge, what did we see on the bridge? A group of young people crowded together, busy taking selfies. Well, a *group*—let’s not exaggerate, maybe a dozen people at most. Greeks who’d come to spend the weekend in the area.

Explanation: a brand-new road (that didn’t exist on the maps—I’d checked Google Maps while planning the trip, and it wasn’t mentioned) let them skip the walk! Now, this site—once isolated and off the beaten path, and whose location I’ll keep to myself—is set to get a lot more visitors in the coming years... 🤪
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi there

Goodness! We were planning a trip as soon as the rail line is back up and running—maybe in the spring... And Mantua? Verona?

If you come to Milan during the week, you won’t get that impression—the fast-paced Milanese are still very much the majority. Avoid long weekends, when they rush off to Paris, Amsterdam, Barcelona, etc., and are replaced by tourists. It’s been a while since I’ve been to Verona, but as for Mantua, you’ll likely find a big crowd of Italians there on weekends. Don’t miss the other Gonzaga city if you’re visiting the area.

Catherine
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
Don’t miss the other Gonzagan city if you come to this region.

Yes, Sabbioneta is also on the itinerary.

Yeah, I know—it’s best to avoid weekends if possible, and also Mondays when most monuments and museums are closed. If possible...
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Good evening Carmen,

It’s true that dawn is a special time. So, packing *Essays*, *The Vicomte de Bragelonne*, or... in your suitcase and wandering from daybreak until 10 a.m., then disappearing until the next day? Dawn travels. It’s a great idea 🙂

Catherine
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

First off, I’m responding to the original post (catching up on the forum ;))

I’ve never been a fan of crowds to begin with. I avoid highly touristy destinations during peak season. But for some places with tricky weather... well, I haven’t necessarily gone there either 😅

That hasn’t changed, but some destinations are becoming more complicated.

For example, I wouldn’t mind visiting Santorini, but apparently, off-season it’s really dead, and good weather isn’t guaranteed. For destinations with few museums, it’s tough.

So, in the end, I just don’t go... at least not for now.

I should clarify that for me, overtourism is more of an issue in small places. In a big city, you can always get away from the crowds. In a small town, it’s much harder.

So Santorini, Dubrovnik, Cinque Terre... I haven’t been yet!

Spain is easier off-season.

I’ve avoided visiting very touristy spots because the conditions are too unpleasant. That’s why I’ve been to Rome multiple times without setting foot in the Vatican museums.

On the other hand, I got to see Venice during COVID, with hardly anyone around, and I wouldn’t dare go back now for fear of being disappointed 🥲

But I’ve noticed that there are more and more people in Paris’s major museums, all the time. And since I visit them often, it’s starting to feel overwhelming. Louvre attendance just keeps rising! I don’t have any explanations, though.

Anyway, since I’m flexible with travel, I avoid highly touristy destinations during peak times, and that helps limit the hassle.

I feel bad for those who can only travel during school holidays or summer...
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