Intérêt de planter des hévéas dans la région de l'Isan?
by Gillescarter
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour a tous
encore une question pour les specialistes de la thailande
j aimerais connaitre votre avis sur l interet de planter des heveas dans la region de l isan
il me semble mais je ne suis pas sur que si cela a ete tres rentable cela l ai bien moins actuellement
que savait vous des aides de thaksin sur ce type de plantation
precision je ne suis pas un investiseur mais je m interesse plutot a l avenir d une famille qui m ai chere
merci pour vos precisions
que savait vous des aides de thaksin sur ce type de plantation
C'est 2.000 bahts par personne qui va manifester à Bangkok ...
Mais faut faire vite !
🙂
PS: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Farming-Thailand-Forum-f104.html
C'est 2.000 bahts par personne qui va manifester à Bangkok ...
Mais faut faire vite !
🙂
PS: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Farming-Thailand-Forum-f104.html
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Le prix du latex fluctue effectivement, mais il est plutôt dans la zone haute actuellement. Le problème c'est qu'il faut attendre entre le moment de la plantation et celle des premières récoltes (4 à 6 ans suivant la pousse de l'arbre). C'est un investissement de moyen long terme, et la patience n'est pas toujours la qualité principale des Thaïlandais en affaire... Ensuite , il n'est pas certain que l'hévéa pousse aussi bien quel que soit le sol. Enfin, il faut une main d'œuvre formée, qui ne fasse pas n'importe quoi... Et se lève tous les jours à deux heures du matin...
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
il n'est pas certain que l'hévéa pousse aussi bien quel que soit le sol
C'est même le contraire qui est certain 😉
Dans le sud que je connais, le sol est toujours fortement "amendé" avant plantation !
Avec de la chaux surtout (sol "rouge" = acide ... ?)
Pour les "revenus", classiquement ils sont partagés 50/50 entre proprio et récolteurs.
C'est tout ce que je peux dire, n'y connaissant (à peu près) rien 😉
🙂
C'est même le contraire qui est certain 😉
Dans le sud que je connais, le sol est toujours fortement "amendé" avant plantation !
Avec de la chaux surtout (sol "rouge" = acide ... ?)
Pour les "revenus", classiquement ils sont partagés 50/50 entre proprio et récolteurs.
C'est tout ce que je peux dire, n'y connaissant (à peu près) rien 😉
🙂
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merci henry
pour la main d oeuvre qualifie je pense que cela ne pose pas de problemes
c est plutot sur effectivement la plantation en isan est elle approprie? la pluivometrie est elle suffisante? etc...
et n y a t il pas une sur production actuellement apparamant non si le prix est plutot haut
la plantation a etait faite il y a cinq ans
Donc si elle a été faire il y a cinq ans dans de bonnes conditions, la première récolte est proche... Il y a un mois et demi, dans le sud, le kilo de qualité supérieure était payé dans les 90 bahts... Je l'ai aussi connu à 20 bahts, quand tout le monde s'est mis du coup à faire des palmiers à huile, ....dont le cours s'est ensuite effondré....😕
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
la pas de probleme , recolte fait par la famille , qui est propriaitaire😉😉
par contre je pense que le sud a un pluivometrie meilleur que l isan pour l hevea?
mais je n y connais pas grand chose non plus 😊😊
il y a aussi tout les traitement phyto sanitaire???
pour les levees a 2 3 heure du matin je suis au courant
en tout cas merci pour vos apports de renseignements
henry connais tu le nombre de "saignees", d arbre, pour faire un kilo
et que pense tu d une plantation en isan?
Effectivement, beaucoup de "traitements" (chimiques etc ...) !
En plus de çà, les arbres ont une durée de vie limitée, il y a toujours des scieries pas loin ... (on fabrique même des meubles en "lamellé-collé" -troncs "fluets"- avec de l'hévéa)
🙂
En plus de çà, les arbres ont une durée de vie limitée, il y a toujours des scieries pas loin ... (on fabrique même des meubles en "lamellé-collé" -troncs "fluets"- avec de l'hévéa)
🙂
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
henry connais tu le nombre de "saignees", d arbre, pour faire un kilo
et que pense tu d une plantation en isan?
ouh là ! je ne suis pas un expert de l'Issan et donc aucune idée de ce que cela peut donner là bas. Quant au nombre de saignées, cela dépend de la taille de l'arbre. Je crois me rappeler qu'ils sont en plein rendement à partir de la 15e me année. Quand ils sont jeunes, ils "coulent" moins. mais cela dépend aussi de l'habileté des "saigneurs" qui ne doivent surtout pas blesser l'arbre. seule chose sure : on ne récolte pas par temps de pluie et il faut laisser reposer l'arbre mais je ne saurais pas donner plus de précisions. en tout cas l'hévéa a permis à beaucoup de gens du sud de vivre plutot trés bien par rapport à d'autres régions de Thailande. Avec des crises de surproduction parfois qui mettent à mal ceux qui se sont endettés...
ouh là ! je ne suis pas un expert de l'Issan et donc aucune idée de ce que cela peut donner là bas. Quant au nombre de saignées, cela dépend de la taille de l'arbre. Je crois me rappeler qu'ils sont en plein rendement à partir de la 15e me année. Quand ils sont jeunes, ils "coulent" moins. mais cela dépend aussi de l'habileté des "saigneurs" qui ne doivent surtout pas blesser l'arbre. seule chose sure : on ne récolte pas par temps de pluie et il faut laisser reposer l'arbre mais je ne saurais pas donner plus de précisions. en tout cas l'hévéa a permis à beaucoup de gens du sud de vivre plutot trés bien par rapport à d'autres régions de Thailande. Avec des crises de surproduction parfois qui mettent à mal ceux qui se sont endettés...
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
salut laisse tomber l'hévéa .. c'est le domaine du sud .. et il doit y avoir des raisons ..
issan le manioc .. ( manioc industrielle pour le papier et produits dérivés ..
en général les acheteur du coin enseigne la façon de cultiver cette racine qui demande RIEN
mais pour une meilleur valeur c'est les fruits ......
mais pour une meilleur valeur c'est les fruits ......
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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bonjour thuan ca va etre difficile de laisser tomber😛😛la plantation est deja faite....
et justement j essaie de trouver des renseignements sur sa culture
ps merci encore pour les renseignement sur le wat mahabut...petite visite a nang nak...
salut laisse tomber l'hévéa .. c'est le domaine du sud .. et il doit y avoir des raisons ..
issan le manioc .. ( manioc industrielle pour le papier et produits dérivés ..
en général les acheteur du coin enseigne la façon de cultiver cette racine qui demande RIEN
mais pour une meilleur valeur c'est les fruits ......
Eh bien, la raison principale est tout simplement d-ordre financier ! Après la plantation de jeunes arbres, il faut attendre 7 ans en moyenne avant de commencer la saignée. Peu de personnes en Issan ont les moyens d'immobiliser une grosse somme pour autant d'années car il ne faut pas aussi oublier les apports réguliers d'engrais et le désherbage ! Pour ce qui concerne le manioc, il est vrai que cette racine ne demande rien mais elle ne rapporte aussi RIEN ! 4 baht le kg après séchage ! 🤪
mais pour une meilleur valeur c'est les fruits ......
Eh bien, la raison principale est tout simplement d-ordre financier ! Après la plantation de jeunes arbres, il faut attendre 7 ans en moyenne avant de commencer la saignée. Peu de personnes en Issan ont les moyens d'immobiliser une grosse somme pour autant d'années car il ne faut pas aussi oublier les apports réguliers d'engrais et le désherbage ! Pour ce qui concerne le manioc, il est vrai que cette racine ne demande rien mais elle ne rapporte aussi RIEN ! 4 baht le kg après séchage ! 🤪
Salut,
J'avoue être surpris par les réponses a ta question car j'ai vu de nombreuses plantations d'hévéas en Issan, notamment dans la région d'Udon Thani et plus précisément de Kutchap, il y en a même une plantation près de la maison de ma femme dans son village. Cela doit donc être rentable 🙂
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Il y a de plus en plus de plantations depuis une dizaine d'années. Et je peux dire que le rendement est aussi valable que dans le sud ! On commence aussi à voir des palmiers à huile car ceux ci produisent 4 ans après la plantation. Mais le rapport n'est pas le même ! 😉
Bonsoir,
un lien:
http://www.ambafrance-th.org/spip.php?article461
Sous le vacarme, la vie.
donc c est possible et ca existe deja en isan🙂🙂super
je suis toujours a la recherche d une personne ayant une experience dans ce type de plantation
celle dont je parle est du cote de ban phaeng ,30 ,40 kms de nakhon phanom
il ya 1200 arbres.est ce suffisant pour faire vivre une famille (5 personnes)?????
quelle pluiviometrie(quelle difference avec nong khai), quelle engrais ?etc
j ai ete faire un tour sur le cite (merci khumfred)
en tout cas merci a tous pour vos renseignement
Bonjour,
Avec 1200 arbres, il doit y avoir 13 Rai (90 arbres par rai)
Pour répondre à ta question, plusieurs pararêtre rentre en compte.
Ta famille de 5 personnes est elle la seul a exploiter ces 1200 arbres ou partage t-elle a 50-50 l'exploitation avec d'autre personnes.. => rentabilité divisé par 2 🙁 par contre l'avantage c'est que tu ne te reveille pas à 1h-2h00 du mat pour saigner les arbres.
Dans ce cas, 30 rai sont necessaire. pour etre bien et pouvoir partager à 50-50.
Le gouvernement commence à faire utiliser des angrais naturel. c'est recent, la transition rique peut être de prendre du temps.
Au niveau température cette une région qui ressemble beaucoup en octobre -> février au sud-est de la France en plein été 18° - 30°. sans moiteur, c'est très agréable.
Le gouvernement commence à faire utiliser des angrais naturel. c'est recent, la transition rique peut être de prendre du temps.
Au niveau température cette une région qui ressemble beaucoup en octobre -> février au sud-est de la France en plein été 18° - 30°. sans moiteur, c'est très agréable.
Olivier
vivre ses rêves....
bonjour dilom
pour tout ce qui est du desherbage et apport des engrais la famille le
fait elle meme . par contre pour faire les saignees je ne sais pas si c est possible.
pour l instant la plantation est trop jeune et je ne suis pas las bas 😕😕pour poser les questions;
tu as l air de bien connaitre a tu une experience perso avec les heveas, ???
je suis preneur de toute infos. connais tu un cite pour plus d infos??
merci
Bonjour
C'est une personne proche qui s'y connais, C'est elle qui m'a renseigné. Pour d'autre info je peux te répondre en MP..
C'est une personne proche qui s'y connais, C'est elle qui m'a renseigné. Pour d'autre info je peux te répondre en MP..
Olivier
vivre ses rêves....
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I’d like to know if this level qualifies me to apply for the DV Lottery.
Regarding my work experience: • I work as an *Employment Counselor*. • I checked on O*Net Online for the classification: Job Zone 4, SVP Range: 7.0 – <8.0. • I only have one year of experience, but I handle similar tasks in business creation.
So my question is: can I apply for the DV Lottery despite my relatively short experience, given that my job falls under Job Zone 4?
Thanks in advance for your answers and advice! !
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for info on villages around Aix, like Fuveau, Bouc-Bel-Air, or even Éguilles and Venelles? We’re a couple with a child living in the Paris region, and I’ll be relocating to Aix-en-Provence in spring 2026. We’d love to swap our apartment for a house with a pool within 20-30 minutes max of central Aix, with a budget of around 650k €.
In terms of climate and geography, I’ve read that Aix is in a basin where it can get really hot. What about the surrounding villages that are a bit more elevated, like Venelles? Is it just as stifling?
For a family, which area would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your replies!
I’m looking for info on villages around Aix, like Fuveau, Bouc-Bel-Air, or even Éguilles and Venelles? We’re a couple with a child living in the Paris region, and I’ll be relocating to Aix-en-Provence in spring 2026. We’d love to swap our apartment for a house with a pool within 20-30 minutes max of central Aix, with a budget of around 650k €.
In terms of climate and geography, I’ve read that Aix is in a basin where it can get really hot. What about the surrounding villages that are a bit more elevated, like Venelles? Is it just as stifling?
For a family, which area would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your replies!
Starting this spring, we want to settle near Aix-en-Provence. We're tired of living in the mountains with all the snow—we really need some sunshine and a fresh start. Is it hard to find a house to rent there? What about prices? If you have any great tips or useful info about the area, we’d love to hear it. I work in education and want to do prevention work in Marseille or Aix—are there jobs in the social sector?
Anyway, we need tons of info, but we’re sure we’re going to take the leap—no hesitation, adventure is adventure!!! Thanks for your help and any experiences you can share.
Anyway, we need tons of info, but we’re sure we’re going to take the leap—no hesitation, adventure is adventure!!! Thanks for your help and any experiences you can share.
Hi,
I’m an osteopath and I’d like to set up and open an osteopathy practice in Thailand. I don’t have a precise location in mind yet, but I’m thinking maybe Hua Hin. I saw there’s an osteopath based in Phuket, so I wrote to him for some info, but he still hasn’t replied🤪!
So I’m reaching out to people who live there or know the country well: I’d like to know what the best ways are to advertise and get known in Thailand. Are there any local classifieds newspapers? First, I’d like to practice from my apartment. Is that allowed in Thailand? Ideally, I’d like to work part-time in a private hospital as an osteopath. I’m thinking that in Thailand, the medical field is much more open than in Europe!!! Has anyone seen an osteopath or chiropractor working in a Thai hospital? Do you know the price of a consultation?
Any info you can share will be super helpful! Thanks in advance[;)!!!]
I’m an osteopath and I’d like to set up and open an osteopathy practice in Thailand. I don’t have a precise location in mind yet, but I’m thinking maybe Hua Hin. I saw there’s an osteopath based in Phuket, so I wrote to him for some info, but he still hasn’t replied🤪!
So I’m reaching out to people who live there or know the country well: I’d like to know what the best ways are to advertise and get known in Thailand. Are there any local classifieds newspapers? First, I’d like to practice from my apartment. Is that allowed in Thailand? Ideally, I’d like to work part-time in a private hospital as an osteopath. I’m thinking that in Thailand, the medical field is much more open than in Europe!!! Has anyone seen an osteopath or chiropractor working in a Thai hospital? Do you know the price of a consultation?
Any info you can share will be super helpful! Thanks in advance[;)!!!]
Hello everyone,
We’re a small family from the south of France, with a 2-year-old little boy, and we’re dreaming of starting a new adventure abroad by opening our own business. For now, we haven’t chosen a specific destination yet.
We mainly speak French, with a basic level of Spanish and English, and we’re ready to improve these two languages if needed. We’re looking for a multicultural, safe country with quality healthcare and good schools accessible for our son. We’d also love a pleasant place with a mild climate where life is good.
Our idea is to travel to different countries to explore, compare, and refine our project. We’d be really happy to read your tips, experiences, or anecdotes if you’ve already undertaken a similar project or if you know key points to anticipate.
Thanks in advance for your shares and help—it would really help us move forward with our project! 😄
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Dublin as an au pair in a few weeks.
I’m looking for a reputable language school. It’s so hard to choose! Has anyone already done a language stay in Dublin? Any tips? Thanks so much! :)
Hi everyone, so I’m planning to go study at a community college in the U.S., but the only snag is which one—there are so many options over there! I’ve heard about one in California, Diablo Valley College, and another in Florida, Valencia College. I know both states are super attractive for tourism, but my main criteria are teaching quality and price. I’m open to any advice, comments, or suggestions—thanks in advance! The start of the semester is coming up, and I’m a little nervous...
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Hi,
Has anyone gone on a language study trip in Europe? If so, which agencies did you use? What can you tell me about it? Thanks a lot! Kelkune
Has anyone gone on a language study trip in Europe? If so, which agencies did you use? What can you tell me about it? Thanks a lot! Kelkune
Hi! I’m looking for an apartment in Malaga from September (2025) until January for my Erasmus exchange, but I’m not finding much, and it seems like there are a lot of scams. Does anyone have any leads or tips? Thanks!^^






