Voyage Tokyo / Kyoto / Osaka au départ de Sydney, novembre 2016
by Yamomma19
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour!
couple de quinqua/sexa nous "profitons" de notre voyage à Sydney où nous allons rencontrer notre nouvelle petite fille pour faire un AR de 15 jours au Japon dont nous rêvons depuis longtemps. Comme ça va être la première fois nous allons faire vraisemblablement un tour touristique très classique entre Tokyo, Kyoto, Osaka, que j'essaie d'organiser avec quelques guides et cet excellent forum...
On arrive et repart de Tokyo et je me rends compte que c'est une petite contrainte pour l'utilisation du fameux pass JR (dont j'ai compris que le 7J était la bonne solution).
D'où ma première question: à quel moment l'activer judicieusement? Dès notre arrivée à l'aéroport (Haneda)? dès notre départ pour Kyoto? Et question subsidiaire, puisque nous serons à Tokyo au début ET à la fin de notre séjour, comment y répartir les jours?
Pour nous situer un peu: nos billets d'avion déjà achetés sont du 31/10 au 14/11. On n'est pas des crapahuteurs professionnels, plutôt flaneurs, n'avons rien contre les choses incontournables, 2 objectifs de visites par jour nous suffisent bien et rien n'est obligatoire! On aime le Japon à distance depuis longtemps sans pour autant prétendre le connaître donc on est "open" à la découverte.
Merci à tous ceux qui voudrons bien nous faire profiter de leurs bons conseils et de leurs expérience🙂
Laurence
Bonjour,
Si vous arrivez tôt dans la journée à Haneda, vous pourriez activer immédiatement votre railpass (au Centre de services de voyage JR EAST (Tokyo Monorail Sortie du 1er étage (2F) / Hall d'arrivée) et filer directement à Kyoto, où vous séjourneriez 7 jours/6 nuits. De Kyoto, vous pourrez vous servir du railpass pour des excursions à la journée vers Osaka, Nara, ou autres, puis monter sur Tokyo le dernier jour de validité du pass, quitte à faire un stop dans la région du Fuji, le trajet jusqu'à Tokyo depuis là ne coûtant pas grand chose.
Si vous décidez de d'abord séjourner à Tokyo, vous pouvez activer votre railpass à Haneda mais pour le jour de départ vers Kyoto, ou un autre jour dans une des nombreuses gares JR de Tokyo comportant un "travel center", où le lieu d'échange du railpass est généralement bien indiqué.
Si vous arrivez tôt dans la journée à Haneda, vous pourriez activer immédiatement votre railpass (au Centre de services de voyage JR EAST (Tokyo Monorail Sortie du 1er étage (2F) / Hall d'arrivée) et filer directement à Kyoto, où vous séjourneriez 7 jours/6 nuits. De Kyoto, vous pourrez vous servir du railpass pour des excursions à la journée vers Osaka, Nara, ou autres, puis monter sur Tokyo le dernier jour de validité du pass, quitte à faire un stop dans la région du Fuji, le trajet jusqu'à Tokyo depuis là ne coûtant pas grand chose.
Si vous décidez de d'abord séjourner à Tokyo, vous pouvez activer votre railpass à Haneda mais pour le jour de départ vers Kyoto, ou un autre jour dans une des nombreuses gares JR de Tokyo comportant un "travel center", où le lieu d'échange du railpass est généralement bien indiqué.
Bonjour,
Cela dépend vraiment de ce que vous allez visiter. Un aller/retour Tokyo <-> Kyoto rentabilisera presque le JR 7 jours et ce sera vraiment très intéressant si vous allez jusque Hiroshima/Miyajima.
Si vous ne prenez que le 7 jours, vous avez intérêt à séjourner à Tokyo 3 jours au début et 4 à la fin (ou le contraire!). Cela ne vous empêchera pas de faire des escapades en achetant des billets de train hors JR pass.
Le mieux serait d'établir rapidement votre circuit et de calculer à l'aide d'hyperdia ce que vous coûteraient vos billets de train à l'unité. Si vous voyagez beaucoup (Nikko, Nara...) en dehors de Tokyo, peut-être le forfait 14 jours pourrait-il être intéressant mais j'en doute quand même!
Merci Marie-Claude, je vais suivre vos conseils pour Hyperdia. Quant au circuit, en voici une hypothèse:
4 nuits à Tokyo
4 à Kyoto avec 1 AR Kibune/Kumaro
1 nuit à Nara
2à Osaka avec AR Himeji (est ce judicieux?)
retour Tokyo en passant/allant à/ par Hakone
en activant notre jr pass entre les jours 5 et 12....
Pour l'instant je n'ai réservé qu'un hôtel à Tokyo, aimerais bien passer une nuit dans un ryokan à Nara? ou à Hakone?
Merci de vos commentaires si vous en avez.😏
Himeji n'est pas très loin d'Osaka, surtout via le JR Pass.
A l'époque, j'y avais passé la matiné avant de revenir a Osaka.
Si vous aimez prendre votre temps, peut être qu'un départ pour arriver a l'ouverture du château (9h de mémoire) et visiter sereinement l'enceinte et les jardins l'entoure, avec un retour en fin de journée serait plus judicieux.
Le château vaut vraiment le détour en tout cas, en espérant qu'il n'y ait pas trop de monde lors de votre visite.
2 jours a Osaka (entrecoupé avec Himeji) suffisent pour une première approche selon moi. C'est une ville très agréable et il est facile d'y circuler (moins oppressante que Tokyo). Vous pourrez vous faire une petite idée durant ce laps de temps. Je vous recommande le quartier de Dotonbori en soirée ^^
Le château vaut vraiment le détour en tout cas, en espérant qu'il n'y ait pas trop de monde lors de votre visite.
2 jours a Osaka (entrecoupé avec Himeji) suffisent pour une première approche selon moi. C'est une ville très agréable et il est facile d'y circuler (moins oppressante que Tokyo). Vous pourrez vous faire une petite idée durant ce laps de temps. Je vous recommande le quartier de Dotonbori en soirée ^^
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Merci Nicolas, j'ai compris que nous pourrions faire l'AR à Himeji dans la journée depuis Osaka. Est ce que le quartier de Dotonbori est aussi un bon endroit pour se loger? ou juste pour passer une soirée animée?... Je vous rappelle que nous avons plutôt 2x30 ans! chacun... Donc pas ennemis d'un peu de calme le soir!😉
Dotonbori est animé le soir car il y a des dizaines (voir des centaines en comptant les ruelles) de restaurants. L'animation est donc, selon moi, modérément calme.
Mais pour un peu plus de calme, loger a une ou deux stations du quartier peut être judicieux effectivement.
Cela permettrait de profiter du quartier en soirée sans loger ni trop près, ni trop loin 🙂
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Merci aux 3 personnes qui m'ont donnée leur avis. J'ai conçu une partie du voyage acheté des jr pass 7 jours, pré réservé des hôtels, mais je me demande si je ne me suis pas trompée ou vu un peu serré dans notre timing. J'aurai bien besoin de votre regard affûté!
Voici mon programme:
1-5 (Haneda) Tokyo
Activation du jrpass le 5 matin/ départ Kyoto
5-9 Kyoto ( possible AR 1j pour Kibune/Kumar/Ohane, on verra...)
9-10 Nara, nuit dans Ryokan (hors de prix! Normal?)
10-12 Osaka (possible AR Himeji)
12 retour vers Tokyo avec halte à Hakone 1 nuit puis derniers 2 jours à Tokyo
Mon problème est de savoir si le jour 12 au départ d'Osaka le matin, mon jr pass est toujours actif pour le retour vers Tokyo ( Hakone, précisément) ??? Je l'aurai activé le 5 au matin pour faire Tokyo/Kyoto sera t il toujours valide le 12 au matin pour Osaka/Hakone? L'activation se fait elle à une heure precise ou no? Si non, je crains donc que le 12 le pass ne marchera plus et je dois donc revoir mes plans et mes calculs de coût!? Merci de vos réponses et conseils🙂 Laurence
Mon problème est de savoir si le jour 12 au départ d'Osaka le matin, mon jr pass est toujours actif pour le retour vers Tokyo ( Hakone, précisément) ??? Je l'aurai activé le 5 au matin pour faire Tokyo/Kyoto sera t il toujours valide le 12 au matin pour Osaka/Hakone? L'activation se fait elle à une heure precise ou no? Si non, je crains donc que le 12 le pass ne marchera plus et je dois donc revoir mes plans et mes calculs de coût!? Merci de vos réponses et conseils🙂 Laurence
Si tu actives ton JR Pass le 5 (quelle que soit l'heure), il ne sera plus valable le 12.
Kibune/Kumar/Ohane
Kibune/Kurama/Ohara plutôt...
Nara, nuit dans Ryokan (hors de prix! Normal?)
Normal ? Oui, sans doute, la nuit dans un ryokan propose aussi la demi-pension, mais on peut en trouver des moins chers que hors de prix.
Kibune/Kumar/Ohane
Kibune/Kurama/Ohara plutôt...
Nara, nuit dans Ryokan (hors de prix! Normal?)
Normal ? Oui, sans doute, la nuit dans un ryokan propose aussi la demi-pension, mais on peut en trouver des moins chers que hors de prix.
Si tu actives ton JR Pass le 5 (quelle que soit l'heure), il ne sera plus valable le 12.
Bien compris! Je vais aviser
Kibune/Kumar/Ohane
Kibune/Kurama/Ohara plutôt... merci! Je relisais mal mes notes manuscrites🙁 Si je ne dois choisir qu'une destination qu'elle est ta reco?
Nara, nuit dans Ryokan (hors de prix! Normal?)
Normal ? Oui, sans doute, la nuit dans un ryokan propose aussi la demi-pension, mais on peut en trouver des moins chers que hors de prix.
Je m'y prends peut être un peu tard aussi!? Mais le ryokan que j'ai trouvé à Nara est 2 fois plus cher que celui d'Hakone Merci Master😌
Kibune/Kumar/Ohane
Kibune/Kurama/Ohara plutôt... merci! Je relisais mal mes notes manuscrites🙁 Si je ne dois choisir qu'une destination qu'elle est ta reco?
Nara, nuit dans Ryokan (hors de prix! Normal?)
Normal ? Oui, sans doute, la nuit dans un ryokan propose aussi la demi-pension, mais on peut en trouver des moins chers que hors de prix.
Je m'y prends peut être un peu tard aussi!? Mais le ryokan que j'ai trouvé à Nara est 2 fois plus cher que celui d'Hakone Merci Master😌
Les excursions Kibune/Kurama et Ohara, c'est une demi-journée chacune, mais je sens mal les deux le même jour, parce que pour l'une comme l'autre nécessitent pas mal de transport.
Les deux sont différentes. Kibune-Kurama, c'est plus une randonnée avec un magnifique onsen à l'arrivée pour s'en remettre. Ohara, c'est un ensemble de temples dans un environnement exceptionnel. J'ai adoré les deux.
Je reviens sur les ryokan. Le prix est souvent justifié par le décor, la nourriture ou les bains. Ça vaut quand même le coup de casser sa tirelire, car c'est un incursion dans un monde traditionnel unique.
Les deux sont différentes. Kibune-Kurama, c'est plus une randonnée avec un magnifique onsen à l'arrivée pour s'en remettre. Ohara, c'est un ensemble de temples dans un environnement exceptionnel. J'ai adoré les deux.
Je reviens sur les ryokan. Le prix est souvent justifié par le décor, la nourriture ou les bains. Ça vaut quand même le coup de casser sa tirelire, car c'est un incursion dans un monde traditionnel unique.
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Thanks!
I need to take a sleeper train from Bangkok to Vientiane in January. I found some ticket options on 12Go Asia, but booking doesn’t seem possible at the moment. I’ve tried simulations for several dates, but no luck. I’m wondering if it’s already fully booked, if they’ve stopped selling tickets… yet 12Go still features it every day 😕
Has anyone else run into this issue? Can I find tickets on another site? (I tried Baolau, but no sleepers left for January 8th.)
Thanks!
Hi there,
I’m a bit late to be worrying about this, but hopefully someone can help me before I leave.
Tomorrow afternoon, I arrive at Lyon Part-Dieu on the TGV at 5:50 PM and take the TER to Mâcon at 6:16 PM. Is a 26-minute transfer doable? Are the TGV and TER on the same departure board? And are they on the same platforms too?
I’ve been to Lyon before but never had to make a connection after arriving.
Thanks
Hi there,
I can’t seem to complete the payment for my trip on the IRCTC (Indian Railways) site. No matter which payment method I choose, my Visa card isn’t accepted. Has anyone here managed to do it, and if so, could you share the method you used? Thanks in advance! Charlie
I can’t seem to complete the payment for my trip on the IRCTC (Indian Railways) site. No matter which payment method I choose, my Visa card isn’t accepted. Has anyone here managed to do it, and if so, could you share the method you used? Thanks in advance! Charlie
Hello,
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region. After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani? Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Thanks for your tips!
Fred
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region. After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani? Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Thanks for your tips!
Fred
Hi! I arrive in Vancouver on August 24, 2025, and I’m staying until Friday, August 29, 2025—the day I take *The Canadian* train to Toronto.
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
Hi
Have any of you booked tickets through rail.ninja?
Hi there,
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
Hi there,
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Thanks in advance! 😊
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74