Voici les dernieres statts economiques d avril 2005.
La canasta familiar ( le panier de la menagere alimentaire et vestimentaire plus quelques services) est de 722, 65 ARS ( pesos ) par mois ( 200 EUR ) pour nourrir une famille de 4 personnes ( 2 adultes + 2 enfants ) . Sous ce seuil, une famille est considee comme pauvre.
Pour ce qui est de la canasta familiar alimentaria ( uniquement alimentaire ), en dessous de 352, 82 ARS par mois ( 92 EUR ), la famille est considee comme indigente.
Le prix de la canasta a baissé ce mois ci ( avril ) de - 0, 5 % ( alors que depuis 8 mois, l inflation avait ete forte )
D autre part sur le premier trismestre 2005 les salaires ( declarés, donc au blanc ) ont progresse de +6, 5 %. la moyenne des salaires des nouveaux emplois crées sont compris entre 750 et 900 ARS par mois .
Il y a donc une legere amelioration du niveau de vie des argentins les plus pauvres, mais sans aucun rapport avec l explosion a la chinoise du PIB du pays, de la reprise des industries et societes de service ( merci la delocalisation ) ............pourquoi payer un ouvrier de chez Peugeot Sochaux a 2000 Eur puisque sur l usine Peugeot Mercosur de Palomar dans la banlieue de Bsas, les 207, 307 etc fabriqués par des argentins au salaire de 700 pesos ( 180 euros ) sont les memes ........ ouvrez votre capot et regardez bien le moteur de votre Peugeot en France ......il y a peut etre le label "industria Argentina" dessus !
En tout cas, quand une usine ferme en Europe, une autre ouvre a Buenos Aires !
Savez vous, que la biere Stella Artois vient d ouvrir une usine a Buenos Aires ! Tout comme Ferrero et ses oeufs Kinder et autres rochers en chocolat !............... Quand je vois que certains modele Adidas, Puma et Nike sont fabriqués maintenant ( depuis peu ) a Buenos Aires ..... a se demander si l Argentine et le Bresil arrivent meme a prendre des parts de marché aux chinois ! A ce sujet, tous les celulaires ( GSM ) de toutes marques ( Erikson-Sony, et meme Alcatel ) vendus ici sont fabriques au Bresil . Meme Sony ( j ai bien verifié) fait construire ses televiseurs en Patagonie ! ( pas d impots sur le revenu en Patagonie ! ).
A 60 pesos l Adidas bresilienne ( 15 euros ) ...etonnant non de trouver les memes au forum des halles a Paris a un autre prix ?
A ce sujet, un rapide coup d'oeuil sur le site d Adidas ne renseigen en rien sur les lieux de production de leur produits, en fait toute la production est sous traité. il faut eplucher pour trouver un sous traitant . A Buenos Aires, en voila un :
En France, on parle maintenant d economie partagée, ben justement rien ne vaut la delocalisation pour aider les pauvres.......ca c'est le partage : le boulot ici, et les chomeurs en Europe .... d'un cote les travailleurs avec salaire en pesos, et de l autre les chomeurs payé en euros a ne rien faire !
URGENT : A ce sujet chez Sport Tech a Buenos Aires pour Adidas on cherche des couturieres :
Se necesitan
COSTURERAS/OS Con experiencia en máquinas overlock, recta, tapa costura. Posibilidad de Horas Extras. Comedor en Planta. Excelente ambiente laboral.
Faites passer des fois que quelqu'un veulent se faire "delocaliser" ! Et puis voila un nouveau type de tourisme, le tourisme economique !
Plus interressant que d'aller voir le Caminito ! Sport tech ca c est le Buenos Aires Typique !
Et oui! Hallucinant de trouver des paires de pompes au 10e de leur prix hecho en Buenos Aires. Belle démonstration de la complexité de la globalisation économique.
Une question que je me pose depuis mon retour d'Argentine: allons-nous assister à un déplacement des pôles économiques, une dérive des flux mondiaux. Concrètement, est-ce qu'un jour l'Europe, pour ne citer qu'elle, sera réellement à la traîne, avec une inversion des rapports avec les autres pays, émergents(és) (Chine, Corée, Japon, Inde, Brésil...)
ça fait un peu SF, non? mais franchement, il m'arrive d'y penser...
(attention: ceci n'est pas un message alarmiste fruit d'une réflexion sur l'économie mondiale, juste un projection de mon imagination fertile...😉)
Yangcheng.
"Mon dieu que j'aime ce port du bout du monde, que le soleil inonde de ses reflets dorés" (Dalida)
Rien n'est jamais impossible, au début du XXième siècle l'Argentine était plus avancée que l'Espagne ou le Portugal, aujourd'hui bah il y a plus de comparaison possible.
Voici les chiffres du niveau de vie des argentins ( chiffres fin avril 2005 )
Consideré comme riches, la famille argentine ( 2 adultes et 2 enfants ) ganant plus de 5077 ARS par mois
Ensuite vient la classe moyenne haute et moyenne ( 20 % ) de la population, c'est la famille qui recoit plus de 1710 ARS par mois. ( donc de 1710 a 5077 ...diferents types de classe moyenne ).
La classe moyenne basse se situe entre 915 ARS et 1710 ARS par mois
Puis la classe basse qui tourne autour de 445 ARS par mois ( sous le seuil de pauvrete ) qui represente 40 % de la population argentine .
Si on analyse par individus ( et non plus en groupe familial ) pour les celibataires, veufs et divorces, un riche est celui qui gagne plus de 60 ARS par jour ( sur 30 jours ), une personne de classe moyenne gagne de 18 ARS a 29 ARS par jour ( toujours sur 30 jours ).
Comme l Argentine est un pays qui bouge beaucoup ..vers le bas mais ausi vers le haut....les societes commerciales doivent suivrent ! Les creatifs le sont enormement, les campagnes de pub changent en fonction de l economie tous les trimestres, et le marketing cible en fonction de l'air du temps .
C est ainsi que juste apres la crise, Coca Cola ressortait ses bonnes vieilles bouteilles en verre de 1 litre consignee ( moins cher que le plastique ), avec l argument marketing : le gout est meilleur ! ( pourquoi pas ! ), Unilever garde le gros savon pour la lessive ( style savon de Marseille ) pour la classe basse ( quitte a faire de la pub, pour relancer le produit ), pousse la marque ALA pour la classe moyenne ( les fameux enzymes gloutons lancé en France en 1969 ), developpe la marque DRIVE pour les classes moyennes basses et depuis peu pour la classe riche arrive avec un SKIP Ultra Black avec des grains noirs dans la lessive ( ils avaient deja bien essayé les grains bleus auparavant ! ) en France elle n existe pas ...uniquement en liquide comme Skip Black Velvet ( tres en vogue en europe ) en bouteille de 75 cl et 1, 5 l ( bien plus rentable pour Unilever le liquide mais sous un autre concept : la lessive pour garder le "noir" bien noir, ben oui fallait y penser aussi )...........bref l'Argentine est un veritable laboratoire vivant, car d une part ca bouge vite et le public est habitué a bouger encore plus vite ( donc plus de facilité a analyser les impact sur un public jeune et hyper reactif comme celui de l Argentine, que de patienter a voir bouger les populations conservatrices europeenes ).
En matiere de marketing, on lance ici un produit, un concept, on cible en fonction du quartier et du niveau social ( par ex : classe riche argentine ), pour ensuite en tirer tres rapidement les conclusions et savoir si on peux l appliquer en Europe.
Bref societes americaines, europeenne ou sud americaines se livrent ici a toutes les nouveautes, tests et concepts de tout ordre pour voir " si ca marche et si ca pourrait marcher ailleurs ! "
autre Exemple : Mac Donald's developpe ici en Argentine et pratiquement dans tous les mac do de Bsas, le Mac Cafe : Un concept nouveau : il reinvente le cafe ! ben oui ! table en bois, parquet, et en plus une serveuse vous apporte le cafe a votre table .... ca fait deux ans qu il y en a partout ...ca marche, on capte un public adulte ( c'etait ca l idee ) ca commence a debarquer en France seulement maintenant ! .......ils essayent aussi le Mac Kosher ...ben oui ( pas mal de juifs a Bsas ...donc fermé le samedi ) et ca pourrait toujours etre une bonne idee pour d autres pays ...il y a aussi le Mac Entrega ( bref on vous apporte chez vous votre big mac gratuit ) ..le Mac 24 horas abiertos ( 24h sur 24h ) et puis aussi les Mac postre ( avec des glaces . des vrais, pas les cones a la vanille )..........
Bref, j ai l impression de vivre en permanence dans un labo, tous les jours des choses apparaisent ( et disparaissent aussi )
merci pour toutes ces infos sur l'Argentine, tres interessant !!
Est ce que quelqu'un (Herge ?) sait si cette delocalisation touche aussi d'autres secteurs, ou du moins si il y a une tendance ? Je pense notamment a l'industrie IT, Telecom, informatique.... je serais tres interesse par des infos sur ce secteur en Argentine ; j'aimerais aller y faire un stage pour retrouver ma copine...
ça fait plaisir de voir que le niveau de vie s'amèliore en Argentine... ou pour le moins ne régresse plus.
Et c'est un juste retour des choses de constater que le protectionnisme des riches donne du travail aux moins riches (même si cela ressemble parfois à de l'exploitation).
On pourrait faire un parallèle avec le refus français (et d'autres pays européens) de refuser une Europe élargie à 25.
Pourtant, la création de l'Europe a permis à des pays comme l'Espagne ou le Portugal de s'enrichir sans apauvrir la France ou l'Allemagne.
Je serais partisan d'élargir l'Europe aux pays d'Amérique du Sud... peut-être serait-ce moins risqué pour ces pays qu'une alliance avec les ricains... (?). D'ailleurs, dans la mythologie grecque, Europe, fille de Téléphassa et d'Agénor, a fait un rêve où deux continents personnifiés tentaient de la séduire...
Ah... voilà que ressurgit mon côté utopique d'un monde meilleur !
Sans vouloir abuser le moins du monde ;) connaitrais-tu un site repertoriant les multinationales implantées à BA ? En ce moment je cherche un boulot, ma boite est sur le point de virer 3000 personnes en france donc peut-etre qu'en argentine c'est pas si mal de chercher un job...
A ma connaissance, je ne connais pas de site web argentin qui te donne la liste de tous les groupes internationaux qui ont un siege ou une fabrique a Bsas . Ou plutot j ai meme envie de te dire que presque tous les groupes ont soit une fabrique soit un siege a Bsas ......j ai beau chercher dans ma memoire, je ne vois pas quelle est la societe qui puisse etre absente du marche argentin ....
Donc pour ce qui est des francais : Peugeot, Citroen, Renault, L Oreal, Carrefour, Casino, Auchan, Suez, EDF, GDF, Alstom, BNP, Accor, Chandon, Total, Sodexo, bref tu prends la liste des entreprises francaises qui sont cotes a la bourses de Paris et 75 % d entres elles sont implantes en Argentine .
Pour les entreprises allemandes, holandaises, italiennes, espagnoles, japonaises, et us ...... de meme !
Il faut dire qu'ci, le marché est avant tout "pensé" en tant que Mercosur ( Bresil, Argentine, Uruguay et Paraguay ) donc meme si l usine est a Sao Paulo ou Porto Alegre, il y a toujours un bureau a Montevideo ou a Buenos Aires.
Donc franchement qui peux se permettre en 2005 d etre absent du marche Mercosur ? Meme la FNAC est presente au bresil !
Bon allez je te donne quand meme une petite adresse : la chambre de commerce et d industrie francaise a l'etranger, la page concernant l Argentine :
Je ne veux pas etre "mechant·"· mais comme d hab les francais sur ce site un peu a la traine avec des stats de 2002 et de 2003 ! Mais tu auras deja une petite idee !
les 6 premiers fournisseurs de l Argentine sont :
le Brésil (18, 7%), le Chili (11, 6%), les Etats-Unis (10, 9%), l'Espagne (4, 5 %), la Chine (4, 2 %) et les Pays-Bas (4 %).
Maintenant cela ne siginife pas que 18, 7 % des produits bresiliens entrant en Argentine sont de societes bresiliennes mais plutot de groupes internationaux installes au Bresil : ex : L usine Citroen fabricant au Bresil et exportant vers le marche argentin . En tout cas un plus a savoir : Pour travailler en Argentine avec un bonus : savoir parler le bresilien .
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Hi everyone,
We’re planning 40 days in Uruguay and Argentina in February and March, trying to avoid as much rain as possible.
We’re thinking of starting in Buenos Aires, then heading to Bariloche, and from there flying to Córdoba, Mendoza, or Salta. Maybe by bus or renting a car to explore each region.
Do you have any suggestions or tips for us? We love picturesque, historic cities and landscapes. As seasoned travelers, we’re used to planning our trips ourselves.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
my wife and I will be in Cusco for a week in March 2027.
I’d like to organize the visit to the site on our own, combining the Sacred Valley and Machu Picchu.
We’d leave Cusco on Day 1 to arrive at the site in the morning, then stay in Aguas Calientes or Ollantaytambo, and on Day 2 return to Cusco while visiting the Sacred Valley.
Is this doable?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hello,
We’re spending 3 weeks in Rio between February 20 and March 15, 2027, to visit our son and daughter-in-law. We’re thinking of one or two "escapes" from Rio—3-day trips to get away from the city (so not too far, max 3–4 hours by car or bus). We’re all ears for suggestions! We love beautiful nature and authentic experiences, not so much the touristy spots... even though those spots are often in beautiful places, we’d rather avoid them.
Thanks for your insights!
Catherine
Hello,
we’re arriving in Fortaleza on February 14, 2027, and planning to rent a car to drive to João Pessoa in two stages. We’ll leave from there on the 20th or 21st to head to Rio. Our questions:
- Which stop between Fortaleza and João Pessoa would be the most enjoyable?
- How long does it take to drive from Fortaleza to João Pessoa?
- Are there any easy hikes (no guide needed) around João Pessoa?
Thanks for all your replies—I’m hoping for lots!
Catherine
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip with my partner (no kids this time—thanks, Grandma!) for two weeks to celebrate her 40th birthday. I’ve been thinking about Chile. We’re looking at leaving around September 18, 2027, starting in the south and returning in early April.
Here’s what I had in mind:
8 nights in a van in the Lake District and the start of the Carretera Austral (up to the Chaitén area). We’re set to arrive in Puerto Montt around 2:00 PM. We don’t want to go too far south since we’re planning to explore the heart of Patagonia (Chile and Argentina) with the kids when they’re older. The idea is to spend 3 nights discovering the lakes (up to Cochamó) and 3 nights in Pumalín Park. I’ve also added two transition nights.
7 nights in the Atacama to experience another side of Chile (San Pedro), taking a domestic flight from Puerto Montt to Calama in the early afternoon. We’ll depart for France in the early evening from Santiago.
IMPORTANT NOTICE for those planning to take a bus to another city, state, or destination from Salvador!
Starting January 20, 2026, the intercity bus station Rodoviária is changing its address!
The Rodoviária is leaving the Iguatemi area and will now be located in ÁGUAS CLARAS (about twenty kilometers from downtown Salvador).
A brand-new station (the most modern in Brazil) has just been set up there, accessible by car/taxi/Uber/metro.
Allow for much more transfer time (especially during rush hours), so leave early if you're heading to Chapada Diamantina or other Brazilian cities by bus.
Remember, there are also private transfers (even French-speaking ones) that can take you directly from your hotel in Salvador to your hotel in Chapada. Sure, it’ll be more expensive, but you’ll save on transfer time and comfort.
Tropical greetings from Salvador,
@ivanbahiaguide
Loyal member of the French-Speaking Brazil Forums for over 15 years already 😊 🇧🇷
Hello,
We’re thinking of spending 1 month in Chile, maybe doing a loop?
From 12/23 to 01/22.
What are the must-see sights, given we’re more interested in the country’s cultural side than the beaches?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
We're planning a trip to southern Chile in November. Here's our tentative itinerary:
Day 1: Arrival in Santiago, then a flight the next day to Balmaceda where we'll pick up a rental car to reach Coyhaique.
Day 3: Walk in the Coyhaique National Reserve, then continue to Puerto Chacabuco. Return to Coyhaique for the second night.
Day 4: Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo for a hike in the national park. Continue to Puerto Tranquilo and stay there for 3 nights.
Day 5: Boat tour on Laguna San Rafael.
Day 6: Day trip to Monte San Valentin Glacier.
Day 7: Excursion to the Marble Chapels, then drive to Puerto Guadal. We'll stay there for 3 nights.
Day 8: Walk along Lago Carrera and return to Puerto Guadal.
Day 9: Rio Baker Valley and, if possible, a glacier excursion.
Day 10: Drive to Cochrane and hike in Tamango National Reserve. We'll stay 2 nights in Cochrane.
Day 11: Walk in the Chacabuco Valley.
Day 12: Drive to Caleta Tortel. We'll stay there for 2 nights.
Day 13: Cruise in the Rio Baker delta.
Day 14: Return to Cochrane.
Day 15: Return to Balmaceda in two stages.
Day 16: Continue the return journey.
Day 17: Return the rental car and head back to Santiago.
After this, we're also planning to explore northern Santiago. I'll post about that part once I have a clearer idea of the route.
What do you think of this itinerary? Is it doable in 17 days?
Thanks in advance for your tips and recommendations.
martine
Hi everyone! So happy to be back on this forum—it’s packed with such useful info! 🙂 My husband and I are planning a 2.5-week self-drive trip to Colombia at the end of the year, including some domestic flights. My first question is: is it possible, easy, and safe to do a road trip in Colombia?
Below is our draft itinerary (with questions at each stop):
29/11: France → Colombia. Overnight in Bogotá.
30/11: Exploring Bogotá: La Candelaria and Montserrate.
01/12: Gold Museum (closed on Mondays). Drive to Zipaquirá (1.5 hrs) to visit the Salt Cathedral. Then drive to Villa de Leyva (3 hrs). Explore the town. Overnight in Villa de Leyva.
02/12: Return to Bogotá via Laguna de Guatavita (5 hrs). Is it worth the detour? Overnight in Bogotá.
03/12: Flight to Pereira. Drive to Salento. Overnight in Salento.
04/12: Cocora Valley (hike among the wax palms) followed by a drive around the area. Are there any waterfalls or other sights nearby?
05/12: Visit a coffee finca—any recommendations? Then explore the surroundings: Filandia, Manizales, waterfalls? Hot springs? Which ones?
06/12: Flight to Medellín.
07/12: Exploring Medellín: Centro, Plaza Botero, Comuna 13. How do you visit Comuna 13? Is it easy to get around Medellín? Metro? Buses?
08/12: Drive to Guatapé (2 hrs). Visit the town, stroll around the lake, then El Peñol. Overnight in Guatapé.
09/12: Return to Medellín.
10/12: Flight to Santa Marta. Drive to a hotel near Tayrona Park.
11/12: Tayrona—El Zaino entrance.
12/12: Tayrona—Palangana entrance, then Bahia Concha and Santa Marta. What do you think?
13/12: Drive to Minca (45 mins). Can we reach the village by car? Pozo Azul and Marinka waterfalls. Overnight in Minca (or back in Tayrona?).
14/12: Drive to Puerto Nao (5 hrs). Stop in Ciénaga on the way + boat tour in Nueva Venecia and/or Buena Vista? Not enough time? Overnight in Puerto Nao.
15/12: Exploring Cartagena: Centro, Getsemaní, the walls + La Boquilla if we have time.
16/12: La Boquilla (is it really worth it?) if we didn’t have time yesterday, then back to the beach.
17/12: Return to France.
So, what do you think? Is this doable, or should we tweak it? Thanks in advance for your invaluable feedback and tips! 🙂
Hi there, I’ll be in Brazil from December 10th to the end of February.
I’ve sketched out a rough itinerary but I’m not sure how to arrange it—considering the climate, year-end holidays, and Carnival.
Basically, I’m thinking of the Amazon, the Northeast coast with Lençóis Maranhenses National Park (but skipping Chapada Diamantina),
Ouro Preto, Paraty, and Ilha Grande—but no Rio visit.
Is this doable in 3 months?
Which direction should I take for this itinerary?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone, does anyone know the agency Ventura Travel Agency (not ventura travel)? After lots of research and quotes, it’s the only one offering Uyuni at a reasonable price while meeting all the criteria: transfer to the border, private-room accommodation, and a very fair rate. Other agencies or guides either offer shared rooms, no border transfer, or prices that are way too high. But I’d love to hear some reviews about this agency. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
We're planning a trip to Chile to visit the Atacama Desert and then head toward Putre, Lauca, Salar de Surire, etc.
Which would be the better time to go, April or November?
Is an SUV enough?
Looking forward to your tips!
Hi everyone, French travelers in Chile—what credit cards do you use for your various car rentals in the country? I’m traveling in September and was planning to switch my regular debit card (a VISA PREMIER in deferred debit mode) for the deposit guarantee.
My rentals are with Figal in Punta Arenas, Econautos in Arica, and Chilean Rent a Car in Temuco, and all of them want the deposit on a credit card. For me, deferred debit *should* work, but I’ve read comments saying the opposite.
How’s it actually working on the ground with these rental companies right now? Will a deferred debit card work, or not at all?
In France, banks don’t issue credit cards, right—or am I mistaken?
Hi everyone, is it still possible to travel in Ecuador outside the Amazon region? If so, do you have a reliable agency to recommend? All your recent experiences from the past few months would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much
Hi,
We’re heading to Buenos Aires for 3 days in November and would like to do a guided tour of a few neighborhoods. There are "free" tours, but none in French. Does anyone have a guide to recommend so we can really get to know the city beyond just the architecture?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m desperately looking for info on the schedules and routes of (shared) boats to visit the islands of Lake Titicaca.
From what I’ve found, there’s a *combi* (bus) that leaves from Puno to go to Llachon. Where do you catch it? What are the schedules and frequency? Does it take about 1 hour?
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule?
After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help!
Martin
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me.
What do you think?
What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Patagonia for three weeks in November, starting from Coyhaique in Chile.
We won’t have a car, and I’m struggling to find information about transportation options for a few parts of the itinerary we’d like to do:
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions!
Thomas
Hi,
we’re planning a round trip from San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, to Salta, Argentina, in two months. On the way there, we’ll take the northern route via Susques, Route 27, then 52. But for the return, we were thinking of taking the southern route via San Antonio de los Cobres, Route 51, then 23. Is it similar to the northern route in terms of road surface? How busy is it, and are there gas stations? Basically, should we be worried about doing it in an SUV that’s supposedly 4x4 but has regular road tires and no second spare wheel, obviously...
I’ve seen that we can stop over in San Antonio de los Cobres.
Thanks for your feedback.
Raf.
Hi,
we’ll be in Calama at the end of March 2026, and I’m looking for a reliable car rental there for a 7-day road trip to Salta, Argentina. But I’m struggling with the car rental agencies in Calama because the reviews can be scary. I saw Gyg, which has great ratings, but I’m a bit wary (5/5 from 59 reviews—either the guy’s amazing or it’s fake...), but I can’t find any recent reviews on VF in general.
For Punta Arenas, I booked with Dachelet and didn’t have any issues with email exchanges.
Thanks in advance.
Raf.
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile!
I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend?
Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding,
Cocora Valley,
Hiking,
Nearby villages.
Flight to
3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one.
Short night hike.
Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus.
Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback!
Have a great day!
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
We’re a group of 6 friends with an average age of 70, all mobile, and we’re planning a trip to Peru in September/October 2026. Below is an idea of what we’re looking for: a French-speaking guide, accommodation in 3-star hotels or homestays with comfort.
Duration: 16 to 20 days on-site.
Visit the main sites with immersion in the culture and way of life.
Which francophone agency in Peru would you recommend? Thanks
Hi there!
I’m putting together my itinerary for Brazil, looking for beautiful natural spots with wildlife, flora, and great hikes...
I’ve come across the Cananeia / Super Agui / Ilha do Mel region and the PETAR / Intervales / Alto Ribeira area.
Has anyone here been to these places? If so, do you have any recommendations for accommodations and activities?
Thanks in advance!
Best,
Olivier 🌍
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA.
Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
A 60 pesos l Adidas bresilienne ( 15 euros ) ...etonnant non de trouver les memes au forum des halles a Paris a un autre prix ?
